Thank you for not spitting in my face – AMD Radeon RX 7700 XT & 7800 XT Review

remember gpus that had great price to Performance and offered true generational leaps over their predecessors oh what a time that was but this is now an amd's new Radeon RX 7700 XT and 7800 XT aren't going to make us relive those Glory Days I can tell you that up front but right now maybe they don't have to maybe all they need to do is just not give us a wedgie and shove our heads in the toilet and what the point where I'm even gonna preemptively thank AMD for not treating me like a high school bully and I'm gonna hope that the final numbers of the rdna3 desktop family don't let me down with any game breaking bugs that wipe this smile off my face wipe like this star wipe to our sponsor enlisted fight in iconic World War II campaigns in this immersive free to play first-person shooter with detailed era Accurate Firearms show your dad statistically he'll probably think it's cool get enlisted at the link below AMD is positioning their new hotness against nvidia's RTX 4060 TI and RTX 4070 and at least from the preliminary numbers that they showed it looks like nvidia's preemptive price drop on the 16 gig version of the 4060 TI may not be enough all other things aside both of these cards have more than eight gigabytes of vram which is a major advantage over the less overpriced eight gig variant of the 4060 TI in games that require it and the 7800 XT in particular looms very impressive at least on paper compared to its little brother it has six more compute units and only slightly lower clocks with 45 faster memory and they proportionately Rider bus to go with it all of that for just fifty dollars more and an extra 18 watts of power consumption which actually raises a lot of questions for me can the RX 7700xt justify its existence at that price will Nvidia have to lower their prices even more than they already did a few days ago oh and what is fsr3 coming we can't answer that last one just yet but we can address the first two with some benchmarks given this is our first post Hiatus Hardware review and we were working under a deadline we had to make some tough choices on which gpus to include in our roster so we ended up with fewer cards but more QC which is going to be the path forward until some of our new automations come online one final note by the way our RTX 3070 needed the resizable bar bios flash so if you're playing along at home with a 30 series GPU and you're getting lower numbers than us do make sure you check that while you're waiting for your PC to restart maybe check out our new screwdriver variants from lttstore.com we're going to start with 1080P and work our way up the geometric mean of all of our testing puts the RX 7800 XT at the top of the charts which is great except oh this is kind of awkward the last gen RX 6800 XT comes in as a surprisingly close second with the RTX 4070 picking up the bronze though with silver Tier 1 lows which indicates a similarly smooth gameplay experience interestingly atomic heart has the 4070 leading the pack by a fair margin probably indicating poor optimization for AMD in that particular title given the rest of our results the 7700x team wild works out to be about 15 slower than its bigger brother and lives smack dab in the middle between nvidia's current and previous 70 class cards pretty respectable and it puts these new cards in a really nice sweet spot for high refresh rate 1080p gaming in modern titles though it is worth noting that the 6800 XT is just about on the 7800 xt's level and you may be able to find it for cheap in the coming weeks also worth noting the RTX 3070 is a fair bit cheaper than the 7700 XT right now if you care about nvidia's exclusive features though it will be slower and offer slightly worse value for its performance at least in terms of raw raster FPS needless to say the 40 series isn't winning any value Awards right now so let's move on many of the best gaming monitors these days are 1440p and AMD markets both of these new gpus for driving these higher resolution displays and this is where things get really spicy and also a little weird while both cards still enjoy a nice lead over their green Rivals the RX 6800 XT is once again pretty dang close to the 7800 XT and that's despite being a last gen card and pushing 77 percent more pixels than 1080p more on that later the 7800 XT does still maintain its performance Gap with its current gen sibling however and it's looking at a Geo mean of about eight percent faster than the RTX 4070 across all of our testing the 7700 XT for its part still slots in between the RTX 3070 and 4070 though it skews a little closer to the 3070. As for the 4060 TI doesn't really enter the equation at all making AMD a again the current gen winner in terms of performance and value for modern titles at 1440. the until we turn on Ray tracing where of course the story changes dramatically in nvidia's favor here even the last gen 3070 beats the 7800 XT now I'm not going to tell you what to think about the importance of Ray tracing that's up to you but it could have a significant impact on your evaluation of who is the better value here despite the inroads that AMD is making generation over generation Nvidia simply has a more mature implementation of this next-gen lighting technology both on the hardware side and in software speaking of software while we were gathering this data we noticed something really bizarre with The Last of Us Part One first of all here's how the RX 6700xt looks across all the runs we did you can see that it's really consistent the lines are mostly overlapping that is a really good thing for smooth gameplay now let's look at the 7700 XT and wow that is all over the place in fact this is how all of our eight gig cards look except this isn't an 8 gig card and this shouldn't be happening given that it is a 12 gig card but we re-ran the test 10 times to verify and unfortunately it just didn't behave like the other higher memory cards which look a lot more like the 6700 XT I showed you before so what's going on here our best guess here is that either the graphics driver or the game are treating the 7700 XT as if it only had eight gigabytes of vram when in fact it has 12. what this implies is that it's actually possible for the 7700 XT to gain some performance in The Last of Us Part One and there could be even more to the story that could push it higher still you might notice that f123 wasn't in our test Suite this time around despite AMD including it in theirs this is because both of the new cards and it should be noted only the new cards consistently crashed the entire system during gameplay we originally thought it might be the game like maybe a recent update but then even non-game applications like Hardware info began causing crashes we are still talking to AMD about this and if we have an update from them we're going to have that posted in the video description but Labs is preliminary investigation points to it being a driver bug that's caused by error handling code being called for erroneously which is ironic and if it happens enough we'll lock up the driver entirely and crash the system this could be impacting performance results across the board and we would have no way of knowing about it but unfortunately this is the sort of thing that happens often with product launches and launch Day reviews so just keep it in mind as we continue now this isn't a GPU tier that is normally associated with high-end productivity so this section is going to be pretty brief but if blender is your weapon of choice AMD will get the job done but Team Green is going to be the way to go if you want the best performance because keep in mind we're not even showing the ray accelerated Optics renderer here which is even faster on Nvidia we're just looking at compute and even now the lowly RTX 4060 TI is out ahead of the 800 class cards from AMD that wait a second why is the 6800 XT also ahead of the 7800 XT ah okay I said I would address this later and later is now the RX 7800 XT is really more like this generation's RX 6800 non-xt I mean I can kind of see amd's justification the 7800 XT does bring some new stuff to the table the rdna3 chiplet design AI accelerators higher core clocks faster memory and as we've seen the whole package usually works out in gaming but for compute performance the 6800 XT still beats it so I know this is a bit of an aside but AMD can you please settle on a coherent naming scheme already are we committed to XT and XTX are we going to add more X's for the 8000 series is this all part of a back alley deal to make people think that XFX cards are faster I mean to amd's credit at least every 7 000 series Radeon to date is our dna3 so that's something but this inconsistency makes intergenerational comparisons extremely difficult for consumers even just looking at these two cards the 7700 XT really does look like a substantial upgrade from the 6700 XT more compute units extra memory bandwidth and significantly better performance I'm like yeah this is faster in games but it's a less clear-cut picture sorry coming back to our testing where AMD in general does have an advantage over Nvidia is in DaVinci Resolve where the 6800 XT still tops the charts for h.264 with 7800 XT trailing just behind the RTX 4070 and the 7700 XT rendering twice as fast as the 4060 TI which languishes with the last gen cards we can say basically the same thing for h.265 performance and an av1 encoding the 7800 XT pulls clearly ahead of the RTX 4070 the don't mind the 46 DTI though it just likes to take its time keeping in mind that there are no first party built by AMD RX 7700 XT cards and ours is therefore a third-party design from XFX your mileage may vary with respect to power consumption but um we did see some weird stuff here and we do need to tell you about it and yeah that is not an error our 7700 XT reports higher power consumption than the built by AMD 7800 XT with a peak of roughly 300 watts of course they are so close that they might as well be drawing the same amount of power our best theory is that perhaps the lower compute unit count allows for more thermal Headroom for it to boost under this power virus load it also has a significantly beefier cooler when we add Nvidia to the mix though the hairs were splitting between these cards start to feel a lot less important not only does the 4060 TI significantly undercut the 7700 XT for power consumption even the 4070 draws less power maybe though this is just combustor combusting things let's turn our attention then to our go to Real World game for power testing f123 for as long as we were able to run it anyway here we see relative power consumption that is actually more in line with what we'd expect they are less power hungry than the 6800 XT thankfully so that's one unambiguous generational Improvement now it's time to talk about amd's software and I do mean talk about it since that's all that AMD has done so far and that's all that they've enabled us to do Fidelity FX super resolution 3 is supposedly finally coming and will contain amd's implementation of fake frame generation a lot nvidia's DLS S3 we've been waiting nearly a year now for its release and for NVIDIA of solution to mature to the point where I'm actually kind of worried about team red here we weren't able to run it ourselves but they did offer up an example but the one they did was under very favorable conditions a 4K 60 video on slow paced gameplay that was already pretty close to running at 60 FPS and despite that the first impression looks pretty rough to us too early to seriously pixel Peep and comment on the visual quality from this demo alone and they say it will be available in early fall with forespoken and Immortals of avium so hopefully we're going to be able to test it for ourselves soon and it will really impress us what we know right now is that this flavor of frame gen dubbed fluid motion frames is going to be open and available to run on gpus that do not have machine learning or AI accelerators with AMD claims performance that will supposedly be similar to DLS S3 so in other words when you're comparing native fps to Native with frame gen you are going to be using your GPU compute not the separate AI compute so you will expect less than double the frame rate due to that processing overhead like dlss3 then AMD recommends that you enable it only to enhance 60fps and higher gameplay rather than to make up for very low FPS we will of course be testing that as well and we'll also be testing amd's claims that the Radeon driver can enable frame gen on any DirectX 11 and DirectX 12 title via hyper RX a one-click Optimizer feature that was first announced last year that you would think that this kind of thing would require at least some input from the game engine but maybe amd's onto something we shall see we can't try it yet the other new major feature that's coming with fsr3 is something that AMD is calling native anti-aliasing and this is a competitor to nvidia's deep learning anti-aliasing both process the native image like FSR or dlss but without adjusting the scale and as I understand it that would pretty much boil amd's version down to temporal anti-lasing as we know and love it but then with a sharpening pass and the comparison image doesn't do much to convince us that there's much else going on yes there is more detail than native but that's detail that used to be subtle and now kind of looks like noise it is early though and with the latest consoles being powered by AMD I'm sure that game devs are going to have some interest in helping to dial this in but it really feels like AMD missed an opportunity to leverage their AI accelerators and create a true dlaa alternative maybe we'll just have to wait for Intel's XC AAA for now all we can do is wait and see if these features are worth turning on if we're ever allowed to fsrs3's requirements for example are a little weird but here's the tldr frame gen is going to be supported on Radeon RX 5700 and higher or on the team green side the RTX 20 series and higher users of RX 590s or GTX 10 series cards can still use the upscaling and Native anti-aliasing modes though obviously the frame gen in every title feature only works for Radeon cards at least until modders get going with projects like cyber FSR and then perhaps most importantly consoles should support all of the above which could lead to some interesting times ahead if it makes game studios consider Ray tracing or more complex visuals more often which is enough conversation about what could be coming in the future looking at it today a clear winner emerges from the current gen competitors the RX 7800 XT the 7700 XT already makes nvidia's pricing look pants on head stupid and the 7800 XT is on average around 20 faster for just 11 percent more currency no-brainer go ahead and buy wise what I would say if it weren't for the unfortunate reality that the RX 6800 XT still exists for now though it's true it lacks AI accelerators and it does have slower memory but the performance is still there especially in productivity and they're currently priced about the same is the 7800 XT which I wouldn't necessarily buy it at even just for the longer driver support that you're going to get out of a newer card but you can expect them to go lower as they're cleared out or if you get one second hand and they could be a great deal plus if you want to get into star field all AMD cards come with Starfield Premium Edition which is a hundred dollars that you're not gonna have to spend on top of your new GPU that makes nvidia's comparative pricing even worse since their bundle of in-game items for a free to play game is significantly less valuable and less desirable if the Steam Reviews are any indication with all that said I don't hate this then don't get me wrong while these launch prices are lower than last gen in a vacuum they're still inflated for the performance level so unless you really need the upgrade now I'd still recommend sticking with what you've got or checking out our recent guide on how to buy a secondhand GPU but unlike the transparently insulting 4060 series launch from Nvidia at least this doesn't feel like AMD is just spitting in our Collective faces not amd's gift to Gamers either it's just fine and I guess in times like these that's refreshing just like I'm about to refresh your knowledge about our sponsor enlisted transport yourself into the battlefield of some of world war II's most iconic campaigns with Enlisted the free to play first person shooter that blends PVE and PVP 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Length: 19min 37sec (1177 seconds)

Published: Thu Sep 07 2023