Stop Hating What I Like

[Music] me orangs only goes after small channels and shut up so I hate everything made a really bad video and I'm gonna respond to it because it's a really bad video now I don't really watch a lot of I hate everything I don't actually watch him at all really but one video he did about five or so months back was a review on destiny - called I hate destiny - I'm done now the description of that video says I hate everything goes into arguably too much detail on bungees new entry into the hugely popular destiny franchise destiny - now a lot of you might be wondering what a destiny to review has to do with the video I'm responding to which is his video which is basically just a big hissy fit that people didn't like what he liked and you could frame it as anything you want and he can - but that's ultimately exactly what this video is and Plus this video would be a good way for me to kind of springboard into a topic that probably needs discussing about now fans fanboys fandoms fan fictions fan expectations and of course Fannie's I've just been told by my producer that Fanny is British slang for vagina which um which doesn't change anything well looks like my opening monologue is out of the way so I suppose I'll start this video off by doing what needs to be done - I ate everything's opening title screen ooh spicy [Music] if there's one thing I hate in this terrible beautiful world it is Star Wars fans and I'm ashamed to admit that I'm one of them oh is that what you call yourself you call yourself a Star Wars fan no no no you're not what I'd call a Star Wars fan I'd call you a Star Wars apologist a Star Wars fan boy nerd nerd nerd double dork loser away loser otra dork god I'm such a nerd Wow look at all that Star Wars stuff you have looks to me like you've got quite an emotional attachment to Star Wars it's not necessarily bad in fact it makes a lot of sense people who don't care about Star Wars don't care what other people have to say about Star Wars do they I [Music] really adore the original trilogy Watson all oh so if you really like the original trilogy then you must have really hated the last Jedi right films like Star Wars Indiana Jones and back to the future or a big part of what I want to see out cinema I mean you say that but I have so many questions Joel films like I wasn't in 2001 a Space Odyssey and the deer hunter or excellent well made movies but to me at least they're not the kind of thing that I'd throw on on a cold Sunday afternoon for a bit of fun light-hearted entertainment is that what you see the last Jedi yes fun light-hearted entertainment that's fine if you do there's nothing wrong with you considering at that it just strikes me as odd that you would open this video by praising the original trilogy when what are the huge reasons that people hate the last Jedi so much is how disrespectfully it treats and tries to emulate the original trilogy or just straight-up copy it no no no no guys no guys no guys it's salt guys that's what we're on it's salt it is not snow what we are on this is not snow it is very clearly salt and to me Star Wars is the embodiment of fun simplistic creates see the people of all ages can enjoy see you're assigning all of these strange attributes to the last Jedi that I don't understand creativity what was creative about the last Jedi ever been creatively squandering everything creating li wasting time creating li destroying old characters creating li doing nothing creative for all the faults that the force awakens had i will say one thing that i did excellently was setting up an interesting cast of characters some granted definitely more than others but i was excited to see what they would do and nothing was done with them ryan squandered everything that JJ handed to him so why is it that I'm still getting death threats and hate comments because I liked the force awakens yeah I remember my first week on the Internet really sorry to hear about those totally credible death threats that you got sent Anita perfectly fun yet derivative movie I was gonna throw my hat into the ravenous never-ending black hole that his opinions on the last Jedi long before this but for too long I just felt too beat down and disappointed to say anything cos we're pulling the boohoo woe is me card pretty quick don't you think especially for a channel called I hate everything but it's just been on my mind too much to not finally break my vow of silence and thanks for the material because this video is an abortion I think the reaction in response to the last Jedi is quite frankly embarrassing and I think the reaction in the response to destiny 2 is quite frankly rather embarrassing there are a lot of people who should be ashamed for the things they've said because of a Star Wars movie there's a lot of people who should be ashamed for the things they said about a videogame what kind of world are we living in where it's normal for people to send a direct to hate messages because they didn't like the movie they made really is this your first week on the Internet you know this happens for basically everything that has a fan base right I think it's strange that you've attached yourself to Star Wars in this way that you treat it like it's some sort of a special example when really these kinds of things are everyday commonplace trivialities grow up you pathetic children I just think it's kind of sad that such rampant negativity can be spawned from a franchise that is all about never allowing the darkness to win and holding on to hope at all are you fucking shitting me is this a joke is this a fucking parody video and I didn't catch it am I am I about to make a fool of myself no it no it looks like this is this is actually said in earnest this is a thing that you just said in earnest grow up you pathetic children I mean look I just think it's kind of sad that such rampant negativity can be spawned from a series that's supposed to be about protecting the light and holding onto hope at all costs you see what I'm doing here what do you mean you're done with destiny - whatever happened to holding on to hope at all costs whatever happened to protecting the light which is extra ironic I guess inappropriate because the light is the name in destiny - for the source of the magic space powers you have it's literally called the light but hey I mean we can't have consistency I mean Star Wars is a special brand you could say it about destiny but you can't say it about Star Wars it's totally different guys don't really care if you like or dislike the force awakens or the last Jedi is bullshit you don't care the whole point of this video is to whinge because people don't like the things you like to be fair though that's not even really my big contention with I hate everything's video about the last Jedi is that it takes the absolute worst possible way to defend something and it makes them come across as a huge hypocrite maybe if you spent more time and effort actually defending the film in your video instead of lashing out against people because they had criticisms of it ignoring the big glaring problems that people did have with a film and instead spotlighting the tiny irrelevant shit that no one cares about avoiding legitimate contentions painting with far too broad a stroke people who didn't like something that you liked for no other reason than it's Star Wars and it's special to you perfectly within your right to feel however you want but you don't think that the backlash is kind of massively over exaggerated and unnecessary no the last Johnny was garbage and it deserves every ounce of criticism it receives what you think that just because it has the word Star Wars written on it it gets special exemption from criticism it comes across as if a large majority of people go to these movies with the sole intention of hating them how could you possibly know that or is that shit you're just making up as an excuse to avoid actual criticisms that people make now I don't consider myself any sort of editing movie maker Vegas master but did it not occur to you that maybe it would be far more wise to not instantly assume that people went into this movie expecting to hate it and that maybe they have some serious legitimate criticisms that you should listen to and take to heart now guys haters gonna hate that's it they're just they're all these haters it's all they're doing they're just hatin no matter how bad you think something is going to be being so single-minded in belligerent just for the sake of justifying your pre-made opinion is kind of a pathetic and childish way to handle it would you like to know what's pathetic and childish would you like me to tell you would you like me to impart upon you my wisdom well I don't care I'm gonna tell you anyway what's pathetic and what's childish is you having emotionally attached yourself to a brand so much that the idea that a lot of people didn't like it is so unacceptable to you that what your first instinct is to do in response is to instantly paint them all as people who went in wanting to hate it who would hate it no matter what and we're only coming up with reasons to justify their presupposed hate you want to know what's pathetic and childish seeing people not liking something you like and for some reason whatever it may be seeing it as something that you have to defend to the point of mischaracterizing the people who did not like it I mean I'm a pretty young dog oh but I just hope I never irrationally attach myself to something like you've done to Star Wars to the point where I behave like this you're not even making arguments you're just throwing out accusations you're just dismissing criticism as all you're doing it can't be the film guys people just went into the theater wanting to hate it I think the response to the last Jedi has kind of left fans in a weird place yeah I thought it sucked and I want everyone involved to die horribly Oh his voices are we doing the voice thing is that what we're doing okay I love the last Jedi so much that I think it's a good idea to instantly paint the people who didn't like it as a bunch of haters who walked into theaters wanting to hate it who only wanted to find things about the movie to justify the hate that's why people didn't like it also those people are childish and pathetic not me no those people are definitely not me painting them like that and doing voices no siree not me was that good did that kind of sound like them a little bit I try I'm not good at voices I try to do the voice thing I don't I'm not really good at it it seems to me that the accepted opinion is now that this film is really bad and it ruins Star Wars for some reason well if that's the accepted opinion then maybe you should explore why people have that opinion and you shouldn't say things like for some reason when the internet is full of videos and chocked with reviews of people explaining why they feel that way I mean look this is exactly what I'm talking about look at this these are the examples that you decided to show two silly little one-liner reviews and some YouTube comment with two upvotes you shouldn't be paying these comments any attention at all and then right after this point you show well much much more popular videos discussing why Disney ruined Star Wars and why the last Jedi took a crap on the franchise and it had all these elements and did all these things that people criticize over and over these very important plot points plot holes character development issues bad editing I mean you clearly got the footage of those videos did you not watch those videos you just dismissively said they think it ruins Star Wars for some reason then show footage of all these videos that explain those reasons did you not watch them even though Star Wars was already ruined three times prior it took years and years and years for people to turn on the prequels and basically turn them into memes let's put this into perspective the last Jedi is the least enjoyed Star Wars movie of all time and it did it in only two months when the prequels came out people were at least lukewarm about him or they thought higher of them but man time was not kind to them but this is the last Jedi after two months what do you think it will like in two years looking back what do you think it'll be like five months from now and that's kind of an odd defense of the last Jedi saying oh yeah but guys wait 15 years ago these other movies were bad I think discussing movies is a lot of fun casual debates help challenge your viewpoint and only benefit the overall landscape but a lot of the discussions around this movie are just straight-up malicious and overly simplified really you think so because I knew I was gonna do this video for quite a while and I watched a lot of Star Wars conversations about it I even had my own stream and on that stream was Mahler he ended up creating three extremely comprehensive videos talking about criticisms regarding the last Jedi as you could see that's a good four and a half five hours worth of criticism on this one film because of how many things are wrong in it that's how much time can be spent criticizing the terrible aspects of the last Jedi you say a lot of the discussion about this movie is straight-up malicious and overly simplified can you point those out because I listen to probably about a dozen reviews most of them were critical because the movie turned out to be pretty shit but I watched a lot of content in terms of people's takes and their opinions on the last Jedi and to paint them as overly malicious and simplistic is disingenuous from you you know I think that a lot of the discussion surrounding destiny too was straight-up malicious and overly simplified you know if I knew how to do the Photoshop magics then I could just make that you with destiny too so the two choices you can either really love it well think it's the worst film ever made are they are those the only two options there's there's no middle ground really there are people who exist out there who actually use he likes the force awakens as an insult why are you giving to people who say that any kind of attention why are you not instantly ignoring people who say something so stupid why are you giving them such a spotlight in this video why are you giving such credence to these obviously ridiculous things that you should not pay attention to focus on the actual criticisms of the movie and do not like me as a person because of it as if that's a character flaw yeah no it is not a character flaw whether you did or did not like the force awakens and I know a lot about not having any character flaws because I saw Rey in the last Jedi you see that's that's a criticism of the last Jedi what I did a lot of people say that Rey is a Mary Sue and she is that is a valid criticism of the protagonist you know to those people I say suck on deez nutz I've seen The Lost Jedi three times at the cinema now well I guess all those people who've criticized your gag reflex sure are eating those words you showed them I never see anything that many times because I kind of hate going to the cinema holy shit he doesn't see anything that amount of times but but but the but but the last Jedi was just so good he did he did see it that many times dummy he normally doesn't see a movie that many times but with the last Jedi he did he did see it that many times guys this proves all of the haters were wrong all of that he saw that many times I know if that doesn't make the film amazing then honestly I don't know what does electively I've seen the film four different people all of them are different levels of Star Wars fan and all of them enjoyed it two of these four people never go on Twitter or read it so I found their reaction to be genuinely interesting but yeah it's kind of weird I could have swore at the beginning of this video you were criticizing people for wanting to confirm their biases because they're out of the internet hate echo-chamber oh wow he referenced it right there no self-awareness at all I'm gonna stop avoiding talking about my actual thoughts on the movie now get ready for this half of you are gonna love me half of you gonna want to kill me nobody feels any pity for you the first viewing I was genuinely unsure on my feelings but I had an overall positive outlook and vibe alright excellent finally we're getting to the part where you actually talk about you watching the film and we're gonna talk about the the elements and the themes and the characters and the plot and how well everything transpires and you're gonna let us know the things you liked and the things you didn't like and you're gonna go into depth you're gonna offer us what you believe isn't isn't necessarily fair criticism and we're gonna have a discussion as to whether or not it's true to the lore or whether it will plenty of things I didn't like for there are also plenty of things I did like [Music] Oh okay then moving on I guess the second viewing I had a much better time it's widely accepted that the film is a lot better the second time oh is that a widely accepted thing I had no idea honestly I mean I would imagine that if people really didn't like it at all they wouldn't go and pay to see it a second time and so the only people who would see it multiple times are probably people who really liked it but okay I guess some of the pacing issues seemed less severe than I originally thought yeah that's because you've seen the film before and I enjoyed the ride significantly more I think originally I was nervous that they were just gonna remake Empire and present nothing new or interesting but but they they did what are you talking about I'm looking at the script right here there's a lot of places you could go but this article on nerdist.com that I've linked in the description is fantastic we'll just follow it along in both the last Jedi in the Empire Strikes Back we follow our heroes on a single ship on the run through space from the Empire first orders most powerful capital ships meanwhile Luke and Rey are off on remote planets learning the ways of the force from Jedi Masters who are pretty cagey about taking on new pupils at first both Luke and Ray are beckoned by the dark side to seek out shadowy caverns only to be horrified by what they find therein after brief periods of training they both leave to rejoin the larger fight after experiencing force induced visions our subplots take us to faraway exotic locales both Cloud City on bespin in the casinos of Kanto bite full of smooth-talking shysters Lando Calrissian and a master code breaker and even DJ to a certain extent where our heroes only managed to escape because their droids save their butts Luke and Rey confront Darth Vader and kylo Ren respectively we even get a callback to return of the Jedi in the turbolift to snoke's throne room when Rey implores kylo Ren to turn back to the light just as Luke did to his father decades earlier then there's a big lightsaber fight after all is said and done Darth Vader and kylo Ren offer Luke and Rey a chance to rule the galaxy by their sides they also reveal huge secrets about both characters parentage while ray doesn't get dismembered both scenes pretty much end up the same way as both Luke and Rey refused to join and rule the Aleksey by the end of the film our heroes are battered changed and barely holding on but they're ready to keep fighting and hopeful for the future I mean the structure is really really really similar and so with the structure being as similar as it was you would think that the movie would be better though the last Jedi basically falters everywhere that the Empire Strikes Back succeeded but hey what do I know but at the very least you have to admit this is something new for the franchise no one saw this story coming it was bad and way Star Wars had never been before that's a great defense of the last Jedi Bravo fucking sold I mean no one saw this story coming I mean no because it was so bad I mean people expected things to be done characters to be expanded upon relationships to be made arcs to be developed rivalries to be fostered some cool interesting information that maybe was a callback to something that we might have previously been hinted about but no there was none of that it's like Rian Johnson went out of his way to just throw the middle finger to every interesting idea that had been developed over two years the third time I just had a good experience and was never bored I'm both overjoyed and baffled that you were able to watch this movie for the third time without being bored and you've come so close to actually talking about the film could we could we go back to doing that because you're not actually telling us why it's good or bad or why your criticisms aren't justified all you're doing is saying well I liked it which we gathered my opinions were clear and unchanged all right you said you were gonna talk about your thoughts about the movie but you said so little what do you expect for us to take away so I went back and I listed them in bullet points the things that you said your thoughts on the movie all right after three viewings here's what we have your first viewing you were unsure about your feelings you had a positive outlook there were things that you liked and there were things you did not like okay um that tells us nothing second viewing you had a better time the pacing seemed better even though you've already seen it before you liked more it wasn't like episode 5 even though it clearly is you're just wrong there and well at least it's new okay moving on to the third viewing what you had to say was you were not bored the fuck is this depending on who you are you're gonna reproach the last Jedi from one or more of many perspectives and from one of those perspectives the last Jedi are evil these include people who are a Star Wars fan a fan of movies in general or just someone who is indifferent and wants to know what all the fuss is about I'd like to think people who genuinely hate Star Wars wouldn't waste their time going to see it but you clearly think that they did based on what you said at the beginning of this video all that stuff about how they're childish and pathetic I think were your words I'm sure there are a few of them who like wasting their money just so they feel like they have a right to complain about it I've caused fall in line with being a fan of movies first and a fan of Star Wars secondly well that makes a little bit of sense I mean to me it would seem like somebody who just cares about spectacle and flash would like the movie but people who actually care about the Star Wars lore and universe and plot and the history of the series would walk out of the less Giada I thinking that it was kind of like a big dump on all of that stuff I mean that's kind of how I felt I felt like Rian Johnson was giving Star Wars the middle finger I think this perspective is important because I feel like I am many others are looking at this movie in a totally different lens to a lot of other people you wanted to see pretty graphics and it has Star Wars in it so it must be good gotcha mostly the self-proclaimed true Star Wars fans if you are a true Star Wars fan you'd hate what this movie did I see so many comments exclaim yeah it's silly for people on the internet to decide who and who isn't a true fan of something again why are you finding these comments which you which you yourself try to paint as irrelevant and not worthy of your time even though you address these kinds of things so much in this video instead of the actual criticisms of the movie that should be taken into account what you've been doing so far is you've been avoiding legitimate criticisms of Star Wars the last Jedi and you've been saying but look at this comment I found look at these things that I think might be happening look at these little bit comments that people leave that don't have anything to do with anything you are clearly avoiding things that should be talked about and you're using these comments to represent criticism as a whole of the last Jedi is it starting to sink in why this video is awful I guess it is true the known quite hates Star Wars as much as Star Wars fans Muller who I spoke of earlier wrapped up his trilogy of criticism videos on the last Jedi with this message it seems very appropriate here ultimately Star Wars as a movie made people fall in love with a fictional world and its characters as a by-product they fell in love with a brand that brand lives on today and now Star Wars as a brand is making people fall in love with the movies in a most shallow and empty way it doesn't matter what it is anymore just as long as it's called Star Wars I certainly hope the point of that message did not escape you it's only a movie and if you think you're gonna go into the movie and recapture your childhood you're setting yourself up for disappointment oh you're gonna bring Mark Hamill into this huh okay when I read eight I told Ryan I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you've decided about my character but I can't really describe more but it's it's it was shocking to me to read what Ryan had written as I'm sure it will be for the audience I said to Ryan I said Jedi's don't give up I mean even if he had a problem he would maybe take a year to try and regroup but if he made a mistake he would try and write that wrong so right there we had a fundamental difference but who is this guy how did the most optimistic hopeful character in the galaxy turn into this hermit who says it's time for the Jedi to end I read that and I said what I mean that's not what a Jedi does I mean a Jedi is optimistic as as tenacity he never gives up he doesn't secrete himself on an island but you'll see I almost had to think of Luke as another character maybe he's Jake Skywalker he's not my Luke Skywalker you know I hope people are happy it seems like because he's in Hollywood remember kids it's not important if it's high-quality only if it makes money do you think it is a mistake for YouTube's algorithm to go ahead and not Oh Phil Mark Hamill to Mark Hamill hates the last Jedi I don't know too much about Mark Hamill but there's a few things that I have learned about him one of those things that I've learned is how he treats the character of Luke Skywalker a role that he played for close to a decade and then continued recently to play again Luke was the most accessible because he wasn't extraordinary young kids felt comfortable around Luke they thought you know I could do that and I think that's the genius of George he was able to find a character that was sort of a window into the fantasy that was relatable to young people and you know he was such a huge part of my life growing up and part of my you know development as a person because that I know it sounds crazy it's weird when people talk about things that you've done as being so influential and you know having such an effect but it was had a big effect on me you know and and I always was looking in the playground I was always you know he's my favorite to meet him on that first day I remember you came in and you were like you know he was sort of one set saying hi and I kind of I think I went up and hugged you straight away it's that other thing and you know you yeah that's the amazing thing about this is that you become a part of the world family and I'm so moved by stories of people that were inspired people that really are facing like health issues and adversities that find determination and and spiritual Redemption I'm just always stunned at how it affected people and continues to affect them listen you know it's again I mean I never get over it ever I never get jaded and I never take it for granted but and and Simon knows it too when you meet the fans they have their ultra passionate about it and and it's so meaningful to them and to be associated as anything that brings people that much happens and happiness is just a real gift Luke was a way for Mark to feel pride and accomplishment to revel in the joy of bringing happiness to people all around the world to help them in their times of need through the inspirational and hopeful character that was Luke Skywalker there are countless clips and interviews and examples of Mark showing his frustration and confusion as to why this character who was beloved by so many people was treated in such an out of character way who was stabbed in the back disgraced used as nothing more as a pathetic husk for some new lifeless slate of a protagonist to be further springboarded into adventure Mark Hamill is a Jim and we are lucky to have him be the actor who portrayed such an iconic character so you might think that you using Mark Hamill's clip like that means one thing but I can assure you that it means exactly the opposite or maybe you tell mark what you're telling us we're taking it too seriously or we're nitpicking or we just went in wanting to hate it why can't you just shut up mark and enjoy the spectacle lost Jedi is a film I would personally find quite difficult to hate or at the very least ever call a badly made movie for the sake of time constraints I cannot be as exquis lead detailed as I wish to be I will say that with the utmost confidence of all of the criticisms reviews and commentaries that I've watched within the last two months span that Star Wars the last Jedi is one of the worst constructed films I have ever seen even though it might not have been obvious right off the bat there are problems such as poor editing that makes continuity errors their sacrifices made to sense and world building for artistic vision there are numerous plot holes characters constantly acting out of character there's terrible writing and dialogue there's counterproductive character arcs there are forced political messages in my Star Wars film why are there political messages in my Star Wars film Ryan Kathleen Disney not to mention the complete disrespect to the lore and invention of series altering mechanics once more I cannot stress enough how informative and in-depth the criticisms made by Muller are of this film there are so many if it took him four and a half five hours to talk about them all there is no way I could possibly and realistically do them justice here media can be bad in subjective ways but it can be bad in objective ways that can be measured discussed and explained and you can quote me on this because I stand by it 110 percent the last Jedi is an objectively poorly made film sorry if I got all serious there for a while just watching watching all that Mark Hamill footage just has me Oh mark deserves so much better he deserved so so much better I've seen many people say something along the lines of it's a well made movie it's just a bad Star Wars movie which you can't really argue with well they would only be half right because the last Jedi is a poorly made movie also it is a bad Star Wars movie as well I'm not here to stop you thinking it's a bad style was movie relative to the others but what is really bothering me about this entire conversation is that a lot of criticisms for this movie are not actually criticisms at all Oh now we're just putting criticisms up in quotes okay do you tell genuinely saw a comment whinging about the last Jedi being a bad movie wait you understand this video is you whinging right that that's what this video is it's you whinging simply because they didn't use the Wilhelm scream sound effect yeah that really makes the film bad doesn't it what why are you giving these stupid idiotic things attention in time how come you have not yet to these stupid insipid vacuous empty pointless completely idiotic criticisms that hold no water and are probably troll comments that you're falling for doing whatever you can in your power to delay the inevitability that one day you might actually have to stare down a legitimate criticism of this movie right in the face and address it well that gravity wouldn't work the way it is depicted in the film in real life I'm sorry but if it genuinely annoys you that the scientific rules of space don't apply to a Star Wars movie then that's kind of on you have he said as he showed an extremely realistic and believable clip from a Star Wars film that shows the presence of realistic space physics you've been paying attention to this franchise at all none of it makes any sense and that's entirely by design oh don't you point to by lack of science Star Wars while the absolutely retarded design of the Bombers at the beginning of the last Jedi is not a particularly good example for gravity I don't understand why you think things have to have explanations in order for them to be considered sensical you don't have to understand the science of inertia dampeners and warp drive engines food replicators all the science that goes into Star Trek in order to believe that Star Trek is realistic and that it operates by a set of rules that are grounded in a basis that we can agree upon there is a huge difference between realism consistency and believability but it is good world building and writing to establish rules by which the things in a fictional universe operates for instance in Dragon Age Origins early on you can find a book called the cardinal rule of magic Magic's a tricky one you see cuz it can kind of be whatever you want that's why every well-developed and properly fleshed out universe that has magic in it normally has a set of rules that if are not explicitly stated are implied in Dragon Age Origins these rules are laid out fairly clearly you can't teleport when your mind goes into the fade your body remains behind and life is finite it is by no means a poor criticism for people to ask themselves why very basic tenets of something do not apply to the rules of reality or the rules that have been pre established in a universe you know it might even be YouTube channels like mine or more likely channels like cinemasins that have created this new standard and expectation for what film criticism actually is do not give yourself that much credit you are going out of your way to avoid the many many many legitimate criticisms of the last Jedi because you can't stand the fact that so many people hated it and instead you're focusing on nonsense that doesn't deserve to be shown the light of day this has nothing to do with standards for cinema it has everything to do with you denying the fact that this real criticism exists and if you're not denying it you're certainly doing everything you can to delay having to answer to it net picking a film to the point where you're purposefully ignoring the context and intent isn't helpful to anyone how much you tell that to cinemasins you just brought their name up so it seemed appropriate the description of your destiny to review reads ihe goes into arguably too much detail on bungees new entry in the hugely popular destiny franchise you made a forty nine minute video review of destiny to where you admit to being nitpicky about it and countless countless hours must have been spent editing compiling all of that footage putting your thoughts together and making those into a movie I would love to know why you're nitpicking of destiny to is completely justified with anybody else's criticism of a movie that you liked is absolutely not helpful unacceptable not constructive a casual observer might perhaps call you a hypocrite for saying such things yeah it may be funny but that doesn't mean it's helpful criticism and over the past year become increasingly more aware of this and trying to make it more clear that what I say is just my opinion and that doesn't necessarily mean it's the correct opinion and there's a reason I put your header in the proverbial garbage and I hope you can understand why you can say it's just my opinion it's just my opinion it's just my opinion guys all you want but you don't get to keep toting around your magical backdoor like that when you're the one who's painting the opposition in terms of these criticisms to the lowest possible level of legitimacy and leaving it that I feel bad for any video where I've ignored this for the sake of an easy job at a movie or whatever and now I'm not gonna hide behind the it's just satire stop taking it so seriously argument I find that to be a pretty cop-out response to when something is very unclear as to if the intent was comedic or constructive or not whatever I like the last Jedi get over it nobody cares that you liked the last Jedi I'm not staying up making this video response because you like the last Jedi I'm making it because of the attitude in which you approach criticism the obvious bias that Star Wars gets from you that other things do not get the way that you paint opposing opinions as illegitimate what do I like about it well let me tell you the boy it's finally happening film is visually stunning and creative the production that was there off the charts so Disney has lots of money got it cinematography is fantastic around the performances are brilliant and convincing now they're alright I guess I don't know about brilliant I'd sit in the bar kind of low my rent is probably the most interesting character in this entire franchise now oh yeah he's the most interesting character because he's the only interesting character well so god damn is he a thick boy the action is thrilling the the military and strategic incompetence of the first order actually gave me no sense of tension like I had in the original trilogy I never felt afraid for our characters I never felt afraid for Rey because she's a Mary Sue and she'll excel and surpass anything that should be expected of a character like her and every scenario yes I would say the fights are visually appealing but a lot of that comes back to the fact that Disney has more money than God camera work is flowing and well thought-out alongside some very clever editing at times that's true the cinematography and camerawork was good Ryan Johnson is good in that aspect he just needs to stay the fuck away from the characters and story in plot and dialogue and basically literally everything else the score by John Williams is so perfect there's a track towards the end of the movie called the Battle of crate but juggles so many themes at once that I was wowed by that alone fair enough I guess but I don't remember any of the music from this film I don't usually like praising special effects too much because bombastic computer-generated imagery just isn't that impressive to me anymore but the effects work for the most part bar 2 shots which I think are really dreadful in the casino are very tastefully achieved and obviously had a lot of care and thought put into them with yes Disney has money a lot of good use of practical puppets and animatronics alongside some great set design is the plot importance of the crystal fox's of crate enjoyed the themes of learning through failure even if some characters are thrown to the side for the sake of reinforcing that point yeah makes sense it's okay to throw a few minor characters over to the side characters like you know Luke Skywalker and thank goodness we rapidly introduced captain purple what's her face because Admiral Ackbar got unceremoniously tossed out into space ryan johnson laughs at your concept of being attached to characters i think it's a message that even a lot of adults can learn from there's a lot more to chew on compared to the previous Star Wars movies in that respect there is so little to care about in Star Wars for me at this point that I don't believe I've ever been this apathetic about the series I don't even know if I'd consider myself a Star Wars fan anymore this this may have killed it for me so little actually happens so few things are actually accomplished they're so little to go from here with the establishment that they've set up and that was squandered by Ryan why should I care anymore I think the way the film culminates with the three different plot lines all coming together at once is extremely well executed and genuinely thrilling and exciting okay even if what it took to get there had some bumpy moments but why ever would you show a picture of Rose Tico as you said that as if to imply something as if to imply that there are characters who do nothing useful who are incompetent who are stupid who do nothing but soak up screen time away from other things that deserve it far far more it's almost as if you understand there are extremely legitimate criticisms people have of this film that you have been avoiding this far really enjoyed not having any clue what was gonna happen personally I thought Luke's arc was very satisfying you know I was gonna throw some more Mark Hamill footage in here but I just can't really stand to see Mark Hamill destroyed and sad on the inside so we will continue and I will attempt not to think about it further didn't have a problem with the way the force was used like a lot of fans do yeah those pesky fans let me break this down for you a lot of problems that people have with the treatment of the force in the last Jedi I will go over my personal biggest example Luke because Rian Johnson is Rian Johnson decides that the Jedi must die and he goes to the sacred tree temple on poor guy 'land in order to burn it all down to destroy it he is stopped by a force ghost of none other than Yoda who conveniently has showed up thirty years after Luke has decided to crash himself here even though apparently all it takes to get him back into the swing of things as one pep-talk gee thanks a lot Yoda thanks for waiting thirty years you dick in this scene Yoda appears to Luke as the crazy weird Yoda that he used to try and hide his true identity to Luke upon their first meeting in Dagobah I don't understand why this was done but it was done Yoda appears to Luke as the farcical fake version of himself and not his real self in this scene Yoda hits Luke on the head establishing in Canon that force ghosts can have a real material physical impact on the world around them they are not just apparitions that appear inside of your head they're not just ambiguous essences of people who have gone before us no no no they are actually physically in the world and can influence it through direct action not only does Yoda smack Luke on the forehead with his walking stick which he has as a ghost he apparently possesses the ability to summon lightning to strike where he pleases this entire time force ghosts have had the ability not just to offer words of encouragement or compassion or advice to the people that they wish to guide they can summon lightning to destroy things I trust you don't have to think long about how much this fucks up the lore me is a logical extension and fits in line with the original trilogy I absolutely cannot fathom how you think that this is an appropriate or logical conclusion to the saga of Luke Skywalker how you think that this is in any way something that is appropriate or that fits within the character of the established Luke Skywalker that we have seen grow developed get to know and become inspired by the Luke Skywalker of the original trilogy I just I don't even know what to say how could you possibly see the last Jedi Luke Skywalker and think yeah this is the logical conclusion of that character you know ending up in the exact opposite way that he has been established to be through an arc that he earned over a trilogy Luke Skywalker yeah the man who was willing to deliver himself into the hands of the depths of the Emperor himself in order to have the chance to save the most evil man in the galaxy Darth Vader because he had an emotional investment in the man who was his father Luke Skywalker who believed that Redemption could happen for anybody if you tried enough if they truly believed if you did not give in to despair if you did not lose hope Luke Skywalker the man who turned Darth Vader to the light side after everything that he had done Luke Skywalker it is logical for us to believe that Luke Skywalker is the exact kind of person who would try to murder his best friend's son in his sleep because he felt that he had been influenced by the dark side no adding something new and genuinely interesting to the way it can work the force has been ruined how is there able to do all these new things that were never explained before okay this thing you're doing with the voices you need to stop it makes you look like a fucking prick somebody on the internet is criticizing something that you like and you can't stand that it makes you upset it makes your blood boil you just can't take it somebody doesn't like the thing that you really like and for whatever reason you have attached yourself to it emotionally that you see an attack on it as an attack on you people's very valid criticisms about the way the force is handled then the last Jedi revolves mostly around the fact that it creates massive plot holes and inconsistencies and it shows a direct disdain for the established lore of the Star Wars universe that many people respect both Leia and Rey are shown to be extremely powerful and established force users despite their blatant lack of training on the subject it brings up questions and inconsistencies that deserve answers from people who care about the universe and don't care about it just because it has the words Star Wars slapped on the cover of it well apart from the very obvious sets up and foreshadowing that's all over the film can you please tell us what those things are so that we can all as a fanbase attempt to make sense of this plot catastrophe can you please point to the scene of foreshadowing that implies that forced ghosts can now summon lightning down from the sky to destroy whatever they please can you please point to the foreshadowing scene that we all miss that establishes the reason why this has never been done or used before despite it being an established part of Star Wars canon can you please point to the foreshadowing scene where Leia is an established force user to the point where she can save herself and then float through the vacuum of space in order to save herself I could go on but I believe my point has been sufficiently presented since when a star was ever established a force power before just doing it yeah I totally remember the exposition from ob1 explaining how the mind trick works easy you're doing that thing again you don't have to understand the science behind it or the magic behind it you don't have to understand how it works it is a small subtle believable semi realistic representation of this ambiguous power it's one thing to be able to push objects or pull objects it is another to influence people's minds it is an entirely different thing to be able to summon lightning as a ghost oh wait no I don't remember that scene where they explained the obi-wan can just appear as a ghost for no reason oh wait no that doesn't happen Forest ghosts were explained very sparingly in the original trilogy as part of the mythos they have a very limited scope and scale and what they are able to do and it is not even fully explained whether or not they are really there or just apparitions in the mind of the people who behold them while the rules of their operation were not ever technically concrete or written down they abided by isince of scale and believability in the powers that they could appear and communicate to people surely you would not be so foolish as to say that because they do not write these things down on pen and paper that it justifies saying oh this whole time they could have struck things with lightning I find it insulting that they didn't explain how Luke somehow pulls his lightsaber out of the snow in the Whomper cave but he uses the force you see Darth Vader using the force in Episode four before Luke here it is clearly established that there are some things that the force can do things on a grounded and believable scale not summoning lightning from the grave what an insult to the original movie I think I'm just gonna start skipping stuff now because at this point you're just whinging I can see why mauler didn't want to do a response video to this don't even get me started on how Luke and Leia can all of a sudden read each other's minds bad writing alert bad writing hacks no no let me get this straight so Leia is force sensitive and she can sense other force sensitive people lie that's been established that's okay that's that's that's bad writing but Leia who has received no force training gets jettisoned into space protects herself in a in the vacuum of space and then flies herself back into a ship that's good writing but her ability as a force sensitive person to sense other force sensitive people is bad writing no just shut up yeah shut up guys don't criticize the things I like personally I cannot stand the way the force is used in the prequels it's too much like a video game for me contradicts pretty much everything from the original story no it doesn't in the prequels you had a whole Jedi Temple you had Jedi who'd spanned across the galaxy they use their force I mean it makes even more sense that in the context of the prequels Jedi who are the protectors of peace who had a Marshall role to fulfill would use this obvious power for that purpose it is appropriate that in the prequels that yet I use so much force powers it makes sense in the universe that they're in in the setting that they're in it just it just makes sense I know some people wanted to see Luke fly around the next wing and kill stormtroopers with a lightsaber but to me that sounds like possibly the worst thing ever yeah that would have been so out of character for Luke to do those things but you know it would have been in character for Luke Skywalker murdering his best friend's son while he slept yeah that makes way more sense I totally agree I'm a total sense and does that serve well for starters it would be appropriate for the care based on the ark that we have established for them sounds way too similar to what we got with Yoder and the prequels Yoda getting into a silly-looking fight with Count Dooku and Attack of the Clones is hardly something that I would compare to a well contextualized and in character moment or scenes of badassery from luke skywalker a character that we have seen do things like that in the past that's why this video is so bad and i can't believe so many people think it's a good one why would you try to paint the argument is that why would you take people who want to see Luke being a badass like he was in the original trilogy as he'll be like Yoda from the prequels why would you even say that that's so dishonest of you to do we already have three movies where Luke does everything that everyone wants to see I don't understand what would be interesting about seeing an ode Luke doing all the things he's already done again because Luke's character earned those things Luke had an arc he had a trilogy he was hopeful and he suffered and he fell and he rebuilt himself and he became great and he was the hero he wasn't perfect he struggled he grew into the character that he was he earned his badassery also those films were like fuck they're almost like 40 years old and again you can contextualize this properly and it wouldn't be hard to do because of this struggle that we see in the new trilogy is directly related to the results of the original trilogy and the characters contained therein Luke Han Leia Chewbacca everybody their fight their struggle it didn't end everything there's more to do what makes sense that they would take up the mantle of heroes ship to continue that surely that would be meaningless fanservice character is behaving in believable in established ways than a universe that makes sense for to have them doing the things that they're doing is not useless fanservice Luke almost murders a kid in his sleep is that let me know that wasn't fanservice is that your argument how it no one expected it no one saw that coming but let's explore that for just a moment what's so bad about having fanservice in a movie if the things that happen as fanservice would be completely appropriate to the setting in the lore of that movie I also hate how people constantly bring up the quote from Mark Hamill's saying that he originally fundamentally disagreed with the script but then everyone conveniently misses out the part where he says in the end he was really proud of what the team did for the movie and that he was wrong yeah guys he made a Twitter post that totally has far more meaning in weight than the things he said to his audience the stuff that he spoke with his own lips the way that he felt in real life yeah that Twitter post totally has more weight than all of that which which of those things do you think is more like what Hamill really felt Hamill saw the division that was being caused by the way his character was created and so he was able to in some ways try and quell that division by getting everybody together and unify despite the way that his character was treated because ultimately Mark Hamill really really cares about the fans also actors are not writers or directors necessarily creative conflict between actors and directors is incredibly common but your job as an actor is to fulfill the director's vision not the other way around yeah the director's vision was fucking shit and was at odds with the established lore of the universe and the characters that had experienced and earned their arcs prior the director has the final say yeah sure that doesn't mean it's not a shit decision and one thing you cannot disagree with is that this is the director's vision nope that's um that's all too real for everybody I think the fact that Disney was willing to hand the biggest franchise over to one guy who was never directed anything close to the scale before is commendable is it I would call it wildly irresponsible but if you want to call it commendable then okay alone giving him the sole reins is right - - yeah that's working out really well fucking brilliant I want to say I think a lot of the blame for some of the fans problems with the story should be more on the shoulders of JJ Abrams he's so obsessed with this mystery box idea well that's just the thing isn't it the force awakens for all of its flaws did something really well and that was set up a potential amazing sequel the film after the force awakens could have been amazing it could have been terrible it could have been mediocre there were good guys there were bad guys a whole cast of characters are you that was right to be explored I think it is a terrible argument to make that the problems with the last Jedi are because of JJ Abrams JJ left an open box ready to be enjoyed by the next person who made the movie behind him and Rian Johnson squandered it well what are stories but mystery boxes the withholding of information you know doing that intentionally is much more engaging whether it's like smoke rays parents yes you simpleton he left stories that could be explored and told he introduced the shadowy and mysterious villain working in the background to control the events that might influence the trilogy he left the mystery of Rey's parentage which many many fans found so interesting they had many theories about and what did Ryan do now he got rid of Snoke without any development about his character or he's from how old he was why he was doing things what his goals were when so much could have been done using him as a villain as for Ray's parents well funny you should bring that up because if you remember in the force awakens Rey actually comes to terms with the fact that she doesn't know who her parents are Maz Kanata the little orange chick she's the one who gets to talking with Rey and tells her that her future her purpose her meaning she'll find it ahead of her she won't find meaning of herself and who her parents were that didn't kill the idea but it satisfied the character and interestingly Ryan brought this back up he dredged it into the last Jedi for no reason he tried to bring this into the film almost like it was a big middle finger to all the fans who had very interesting theories and all these cool stories about who they could be her parentage didn't matter to the character in the film but he brought it up almost as if to say in this weird nihilistic postmodernist sort of interpretation it doesn't matter fuck you whatever you thought it's not that there nobody so they're the mystery box meaning what you think you're getting then what you're really getting and it's since been revealed that he had no plan for what the reveals were even gonna be from the get-go bullshit he definitely had ideas JJ definitely had ideas of what was gonna become of these characters in his he didn't necessarily have control over it but there's no way that he would do all this work making these characters establishing a new trilogies beginning and not think to himself you know what would be really cool with these characters XY and Z I'm sure he's thrilled with what Ryan did with him but hey you got a save face for the company I totally understand I get it none of this is to say I think the film is perfect either there's a side plot in like a casino which most people agree is a bit clumsy and takes up far too much time in an already long movie especially considering what it ultimately leads to yeah that was a train wreck of a subplot they would have been far better ditching it and spending that time on something far far more valuable like you know the events that happened between Episode four and Episode seven like the first order and the resistance and the rebellion and the Knights of Ren which they forgotten Luke in the Jedi Temple and all that stuff you know shit that mattered that was important not these useless people who are incompetent doing things that lead to nothing think is a bit exaggerated as to how bad that sequence is no no it was it was fucking terrible with no redeeming qualities whatsoever in fact it it damaged the film it honestly made the film worse it really isn't that bad there's actually quite a short segment of the movie comparatively to the rest of it so who cares if it's only 7% of the movie that's a lot it is completely wasted it is pointless it leads to nowhere and if anything it damages our endearment of the characters because of how incompetence and unfunny and forced everything they did was people are wondering why they put political messages and Star Wars people think Rose Tico is mentally challenged because of these scenes there's some dreadfully cheesy and awkward dialogue at points but Star Wars has always had that so that's not really a deal breaker for me why do you have such a fucking problem with Luke behaving as someone in his position would exactly do I'm like do you just have a hate boner for Luke Skywalker's character like Ryan does I'm genuinely curious Godwin I thought they smell bad fuzzball scruffy-looking nerf-herder I don't know where you get your delusions laser brain okay the one at the end was weird but the rest were appropriate and in character and they built them up with personalities why are these lines bad no it's because I'm so in love with you so love is blinded you like I find it pretty ironic if you love the prequels but you're calling out this movie for having bad dialogue oh we're gonna start talking about ironies that what we're gonna do now besides the defense of the last Jedi that you seem to have is oh yeah but these other movies it's not very compelling the last Jedi had shit riding oh but the prequels oppa these movies that were made 40 years ago oh but da da da da da da da defend them from the criticism that people are levying against it don't go to other movies we are not discussing find the somewhat ham-fisted anti 1% message kind of funny and ironic given the context of what star was represents and I'm certain they are thrilled that you paid to see it three times and yeah a treating animals nicely is important and everything was it really necessary alongside everything else this film was trying to achieve no it was not the answer is no no it was not Mahler goes way more in depth than I do in his criticism videos but man they packed a lot of incompetence into seven percent of this movie screen time the way characters behave the things they say the things they do the stuff that happens the coincidences the pointless messages all of that it is a disaster no not really other than to serve those character arcs but what character arose Tico definitely did not have a character art she should have had her character arced like part of a trajectory from a trebuchet I don't know it's fucked this video is like an hour long at this point there's so much stupid to unpack here and how does canto bite relate to Finn's art if you could even say that Finn has an arc how do the events at canto bite do anything other than showing to the audience that he has the mind of a 12 year old that the idea that the world is graze and not purely good and evil baffles him that the way to fight evil rich people is to break some of their stuff to trash towns indiscriminately regardless of who it may damage like I'm legitimately curious what you think Kanto bite added to the arcs of Finn and Rose Tico I'm the humor is a little too distracting for my liking and does undercut some dramatic moments yeah I think it's a very fair criticism to point out in this movie that tone is an issue from the get-go of the movie Luke's supposed to be somber sad sorrowful but he makes these little quips and jokes those are the most obvious offenders in the movie that's not to say none of it works in fact this film probably has one of the funniest visual gags from any Star Wars movie involving some very evil ironing oh that's that's clever to you okay I guess so side note I don't think comparing the pogs to minions is fair in terms of how they actually affect the movie the minions are actually integral to the plot of all three Despicable Me movies the porks really don't affect anything they're just Birds well yeah exactly they're useless they don't service the plot in any way either omit to sell plushies to small children they're just there for marketing and merchandising kind of like Captain phasma but do you not agree that things are more meaningful when they have a direct influence on the plot if anything he walks are far more comparable to minions because they have a direct impact on the plot of the movie aha yes pores are just there to sell toys as well as being designed to sell toys that may be true certainly but again they had an effect on the plot they moved the story forward or a tones character is a bit of a mess but fucking disaster just subbing in a black bar would not have sold anything it would have been a pretty damn good start her character was so useless forced and unnecessary that you could have swapped her for Admiral Ackbar and nothing would have changed in the story the plot makes absolutely no sense at all revolving captain purple because you know what good writing is good writing is getting rid of characters that have been established in the universe and that fans really love really quickly and then just bringing in these characters nobody knows about her cares about her is anytime to know anything about yeah that's that's really really writing good job Ryan the hyperspace kamikaze was visually stunning but it made absolutely no sense in the Star Wars universe it would have made much more sense if they insisted on keeping that stupid kamikaze maneuver to have Admiral Ackbar be the one to do it himself perhaps he turns the ship around and he begins to charge up the Lightspeed engines and then the Imperial captain sees it from the deck of the supremacy and he turns around to say it's a trap before Admiral Ackbar slams through the ship and decimates the enemy fleet there is without a doubt ways to make the scene work other than being fan service because we ultimately know less about him from the movies than we do Lord Don's character right because that's how they decided to write the characters which was a huge mistake as I said we know more about this person that were supposed to care about but have been given no time to care about instead of this character that we do care about who has been established in the universe you cannot force people to care and that is what captain Purple's character was dearly she would have had some development in a previous movie or something um ideally her home address would have been on Alderaan well I kind of understand what she did because Poe Dameron did ruin everything what no Poe didn't no absolutely not he didn't ruin everything he was the only person in the fucking resistance who was making the right calls at the time he seemed to be the only person who was doing the right thing what's worse is that Poe dameron's arc if you could call it that basically revolves around him giving up the traits of his that were useful and were successful and saved people instead teaching him to blindly follow Authority even though it will lead to worse scenarios and outcomes or alternatively to be less aggressive and hot-headed even if it leads to worse outcomes because of it it makes no sense it was a little unnecessary and stupid and only existed to serve the plot but again Star Wars has always been filled with conveniences and plot contrivance --is so it really doesn't bother me that much I don't know what to tell you so you could explain why you think Poe Dameron ruined everything when that that's clearly not the case of everything I've just said does that really sound like a dreadful movie a lot of people are selling ours oh yeah it was a shit film regardless of how Rosie I do you want to get when you look back at it and try to describe it to us the last Jedi in Baia durable margin is the worst rated by audience Star Wars film that has ever existed it took the prequels many many many years for people to turn on them for the films that they really were the last Jedi is so bad and borderline indefensible that it has taken basically no time at all and right out of the starting gate people are seeing it for the trainwreck that it is history will be extremely unkind to this movie personally I think there are a lot more positives and negatives I believe a lot of people are being blinded by the negativity bias yeah guys all that stuff that was wrong with the movie all of your criticism yeah that that doesn't really matter what you were just affected by the negativity bias that's really what it was I mean there's a lot of people who wanted to hate destiny too after all there was a lot of controversy surrounding it and there was a pretty vocal group of people who thought it was pretty bad I think you were just affected by negativity bias when you made your review your criticisms there they're not really substantive or constructive you were just affected by negativity bias and of simply refusing to accept the film for what it is that you're just refusing to accept destiny to as the amazing video game that it truly was negativity bias states they even when they're of equal intensity negative emotions have a greater impact on us than positive ones think of it this way when you're at a restaurant and you have a really bad meal that sucks that ends up with you having to complain that sticks with you a lot more over the tens or even hundreds of meals you've had but other places that were good and went well so in other words so what if you didn't like that scene with Leia in space because it looks ridiculous and makes no fucking sense and was a train wreck of an idea to have in Star Wars film what about the amazing way Luke and kylo explained the same event from different perspectives yeah blink and you'll miss one of the most important facets of what's supposed to be this new Luke Skywalker's character development because remember the new Luke Skywalker he will slink around in the night and murder you in your sleep if he thinks there's some Dark Side on you what's that you wanted development on this point you wanted to learn more about their backstory in history because it's integral to the plot no no we have to fucking look at porks and you have to save the space horses from the evil capitalists on the casino planet with a brilliant sequence on crate I am seriously doubting your CAPA to understand quality it baffles me how you could possibly say that the ending scene uncrate as brilliant especially when you darn well know all of the criticisms that are lambasted against this entire scene its structure and the dialogue contained therein I've linked a video in the description one of Mahler's criticisms that goes over why basically everything about the entire crate sequence was terrible to be summed up quickly though it is an unearned and rushed setup lacking establishing scenes were a huge string of shockingly bizarre decisions by both sides lead to a farcical ending in an already long film full of similarly constructed stupid decisions crate is a focused and condensed miasma of plot conveniences MarySue nonsense nonsensical military decisions failed arcs and the worst line of dialogue and the entire Star Wars universe you know exactly which one I'm talking about I don't even need to say it throw in an awkwardly forced romance and then BAM there you go crate in a nutshell well the throne room encounter with kylo and Rey yeah looked all right the first time but man they need to work on hiding the choreography also I noticed the lack of force powers in that fight also of course Rey does better than kylo does because she fuckin does everything better than anyone else why would you even bring that into question the intense action sequence at the start of the movie it was bafflingly stupid in its construction and made no military sense in any way both sides of this conflict are shown to be incompetent in almost every regard it is a perfect example of creative vision coming before since in the story it is attempting to depict well the final scene with Luke and Leia well the way the music builds and swells around every scene well yeah Luke and Leia scene was fine it was absolutely fine especially in a movie filled with terrible scenes it really stood out unfortunately the decision that they decided to take with Luke's character prevented more scenes like this from occurring and as a result it sacrificed dollars in order to save sense how creative and thoughtful some of the exposition from Lucas is it could could you tell why I I guy I got nothing my point is I think there's so much more to love than there is to hate well here's one of the ultimate problems about this video of yours you don't explain why it's good you don't explain to us why these things are the way they are you just declare them to be so you say crate was brilliant you don't say why you mentioned character arcs you don't explain why you mentioned tone you don't explain why I can see why mauler didn't want to respond to this video it's so broad and it's so open-ended that it's meant to be ambiguous you are skirting and avoiding criticisms of this movie by design with your ambiguity try no might sound ironic coming from me but it's what I think before writing this I went back and watch the Empire Strikes Back just to try to imagine how people on the internet would react to that movie if this is a pointless line of reasoning that I will not even entertain due to how baseless and lacking in merit it even is how could you possibly even begin to try and know what people would think you are attempting to imply without any justification that people on the internet would hate the Empire Strikes Back even though you could go on the internet right now and see how glowingly praised it is for its structure characters and arcs you are attempting to scrounge justification for people's hatred of this movie in every way that does not have to do with criticism of the movie itself what were those words you used it is pathetic and childish however and is vapid rant that you give on your video you do have one good suggestion kind of a thoughtless jeddah I just ended before the crate battle that sounds like an amazing idea good job I'm glad you thought of it it's angry vocal minority of so-called fans oh so they're not fans you're gonna tell people who are and are not fans of Star Wars not only are you invalidating the criticisms that people have against this movie now you've taken that one step further and saying that they're not even fans of Star Wars stop and listen to yourself look what you're doing in saying because people didn't like your shit film has buried any real criticism of the film self-awareness folks sent the message that it ruined Star Wars and that it's a dreadful piece of filmmaking when it really isn't they really are and I've provided links in the description to explain in great detail why that is the case just like how the meme for the force awakens is that it's identical to a new hope and there's no more nuance or room for discussion beyond that you could discuss it if you want but it's really really similar to a new hope by design it's reductive and I really hope it doesn't send the wrong message to Disney that they should take away the read him from the directors and writers if that director and writer is Ryan Johnson that I hope that they throw away any chance he could possibly ever have of making another Star Wars film and turn it all into a focus tested Jedi Council of money-hungry fat cats who have no passion for Star Wars at all hey if it's good I would gladly take that over the terrible fanfiction spawned from Rian Johnson's first draft I thought fans were supposed to see the good not pass off nitpicks and complaints as a reason to hate a new movie in their beloved series holy fucking shit but I don't know what's more depressing the fact that he said these words uh nayana CLE in earnest or the fact that over 87,000 people listened to this video and said yeah this disto de lis is this is a good this is good stuff right here I I yeah if you didn't like the ending for Mass Effect 3 and felt like it betrayed you when the characters then well you're just not really a fan of Mass Effect Mass Effect fans are supposed to see the good why are you just nitpicking about the ending for the series when you should be focusing on the good things you know like a real fan does a real fan should love how the character of Luke Skywalker was butchered and used as a springboard for the slate of complete and utter perfection that is the MarySue ray if you're a real fan you'll look straight past all the terrible dialog there writing the characters the lack of arcs and the huge plot holes that are introduced that's what a real fan does don't you know that fans are supposed to see the good in things I hate everything that's what fans are supposed to do not just nitpick that's not what a real fan does mistaken creative disagreements with the story as actual criticism and giving off this message that the film is prequel level abysmal please do not insult the prequels by implying that the last Jedi is equal in quality to them is undercut single the hard work and quality filmmaking that is on show in the last Jedi I don't care how much hard work and blood sweat and tears were put into a film if it's bad it's bad it does not get special passes or extra points because they worked hard I'm absolutely certain that you worked very hard on your video but unfortunately it's still a stinker which i think is sad you can pick a pot every single one of the Star Wars movies in the exact same way that people on the Internet are doing now to the last Jedi absolutely not not all the films are equal in that exact same regard the last July stands out as a particularly egregious example I let yourself get bogged down in the minutia when this movie is so much better than pretty much every other big-budget Hollywood snooze fest that is being released at the same time again you seem to be going back into this ridiculous notion of oh but these other movies I don't care about the quality of other movies we're talking about the last Jedi the films that released alongside the last Jedi could have been amazing they could have been terrible they could have been anything in between it would not have any bearing on the quality of the last Jedi it is completely irrelevant you are instantly labeling criticism of this film to be my new Xie you believe that the last Jedi does not deserve these very worthy criticisms because in your opinion it is better than other blockbusters that are coming out around the same time do you people see why this video is absolute garbage it makes no sense yeah man the last Jedi is the worst movie ever made forget about the prequels which have aged horribly by the way yeah the prequels took years and years and years to aged poorly the last Jedi has taken less than a month I prefer The Mummy 2017 yeah entertaining this ridiculous straw man notion of yours is beneath me and my time it will be ignored as it deserves to be I'd like to thank the Wrights opinion for helping to proofread and edit my script to this video and just when you think a movie like this could not have been wrapped up in an even neater bow of intense irony he thanks a channel called the right opinion for proofreading it what delicious and succulent irony that is after everything that you said in this video I would like to thank the right opinion for proofreading this anyway I didn't use a script and my opinions are right because I can back them up and I can show examples and I can expand upon them and they could be demonstrably shown to be true he's a bit better English than me and some of my sentence structure is kind of strange sometimes and he helped me out yeah like that part where you said that people criticizing the movie weren't real fans and that true fans were supposed to find the things and not criticize them that was really weird what was as weird structure check out his channel in the description he pretty underrated youtuber well this video was absolutely terrible when it makes me want to avoid his at all costs good job I hope you enjoyed the video I hope you take this as a learning experience hope it didn't make you angry make sure you tell me your thoughts on the last Jedi in the comments which I'm sure you were gonna do anyway and uh my inbox is open and ready for all the death threats oh fuck off nobody's feeling pity for you it's pathetic show a backbone alright I'll see you in the next video bye there we go an hour 19 minutes poof it's done it's over finished I've said my piece I didn't scrape this out it was kind of all off-the-cuff it's kind of hard to script a video of this nature especially when you're replying to a video that's this vacuous again seriously go to the description listen to Molly's criticisms of the last Jedi they are comprehensive and in-depth in ways that I found no other video to be all problems in the film both great and small are addressed in these videos and you will see you will come to see you will learn even if you must be dragged kicking and screaming you will see why the last Jedi sucks and nuts and I know that when I see it listen you can enjoy the last Jedi it's fine I enjoy the prequels but they're bad movies I enjoyed sucker punch but it's a terrible movie and you could criticize the prequels and you can criticize sucker punch and you can criticize all the terrible movies that I like and I'll not an agreement and I'll say you bet ya what they did was a bad thing that editing didn't make sense there's a plot hole this area is totally inconsistent because one day you grow up one day you become an adult and you understand that it's okay for people to criticize the things that you don't like if you criticize something and it's a valid criticism I will definitely join you I will nod in agreement and say that's absolutely right I love watching criticisms of the original trilogy and I not an agreement at all of the legitimate criticisms that are made but I'm not going to do something as absolutely silly as saying for instance if you are criticizing the prequel movies well you're not a true fan of Star Wars you're not a true fan because true fans they don't nitpick they only look for the good and I promise to you it is no coincidence that I kept referencing the destiny to review that was done by I hate everything that video was excellent it was comprehensive it was substantive it was born of passion and experience unfortunately the byproduct of that excellent movie is that when this video of his came out and made him look like a massive hypocrite and if you don't like this video because I criticized I hate everything I just don't care I just could not be bothered honestly I say let them come in any event if you want to support me on patreon please do if you can it helps me out no greater way more now than ever I'm going full-time online so this is my primary source of income YouTube patreon doing streams discord is almost ready to be publicly launched in patrons who donate to me generously will get special perks inside of the discord so with all that said and all that done I leave you with this final message ultimately Star Wars as a movie made people fall in love with a fictional world and its characters as a by-product they fell in love with a brand that brand lives on today and now Star Wars as a brand is making people fall in love with the movies in a most shallow and empty way it doesn't matter what it is anymore just as long as it's called Star Wars

Channel: Rags

Views: 499,016

Rating: 3.3965485 out of 5

Keywords: rags, i hate everything, the last jedi, tlj

Id: kBvvp80eWR4

Length: 82min 0sec (4920 seconds)

Published: Sun Feb 25 2018

Reddit Comments

[u/SpicyTonyPA]

This is definitely going to sound like an IHE bandwagon response but the first 20 minutes of examples this guy gives are complete shit.

He starts with insults, classy.

States IHE is trying to earn sympathy points with the death threats comment. Maybe but when I watched the video I didn't take it as such.

Then he keeps saying why IHE's opinion is wrong.

This guy seems like he's just trying to piggyback off of this IHE video for views. I'm, again, biased towards IHE but I can see when theres criticism that needs to be said. And when the criticism holds value.

Most of what this guy is doing is just personally attacking his opinion. Further proving Alex's point that people get mad over him enjoying the movie. Talk about missing the point.

[u/TwoDevTheHero]

I hate these types of videos. They're too lazy to condense and streamline it so you end up with hour long videos with hardly any structure that take forever to get to the point, if they ever do.

They also all seem to do the thing where they have like 5 pictures someone else drew that they use for "reaction" images. Like this guy's dog picture.

[u/Golden_schmuck]

Watched the entire thing. Some Good points, some bad ones. Nothing really all that terrible as some other fans are saying.

[u/9arc]

lmao his fursona is a doge with the fucking doge with the pixel glasses

[u/[deleted]]

Okay, as soon as he gets into the Star Wars video he starts taking what IHE says about the Star Wars original trilogy as if he's saying them about the Last Jedi. Every time Rags interjects he just puts words in IHE's mouth.

[u/General_Manager]

He had good points imo

[u/IRainbowEverything]

I recognize that IHE's video often times didn't explain itself well, however, the linked video here felt really dismissive at times. There was also quite a bit of straw-manning. (IE: Attacking IHE for a point he didn't really make, but vaguely linking it.) That's why I posted this here. What do you think?

[u/TwoDevTheHero]

"I have so many questions" a minute into the video. wait for him to answer them then.

No other movie has snow planets in so therefore it the last jedi disrespects the original trilogy which means IHE is WRONG.

IHE making a negative video about Destiny is the same thing as sending death threats to people over Star Wars? ok.

"Is this your first week on the internet" "This happens for everything that has a fanbase"

So that makes it fine to send death threats because... people do it anyway? that's some strange logic.

Obviously death threats aren't exclusive to Star Warsers, IHE never said it was, but it's a video about TLJ so obviously he's going to talk about that specific case.

6:11 Eh, fair enough on that one. But i still think equating death threats to a video about Destiny 2 is silly. It's not like that's a central point of the video he just brought up that it was kinda ironic.

7:24 No it isn't though. That's not what IHE's video is.

7:52 "Spotlighting tiny irrelevant shit no one cares about" Like good cinematography, acting, score, acting, effects etc. No one gives a shit about that.

"It comes across as if people go into these movies with the soul intention of hating them. "How could you possibly know that""

"It. comes. across. as. if. "

"I don't consider myself some kind of editing master" Yeah because you don't edit your videos and just ramble on for an hour and a half about something that's 20 minute long.

11:37 "You shouldn't be paying these comments any attention" Why are you defending them then?

12:00 "You got the footage of those videos, did you not watch them?" How ironic. Literally in the next sentence he says, even if The Last Jedi would've "ruined star wars" if there were no prequels, it was already ruined three times prior.

12:31 "It took years for people to turn on the prequels" "The Last Jedi is the least enjoyed Star Wars movie of all time"

That's the point of the video.

The whole idea is the fact that the internet bandwagoned on reviewing it poorly where as when the prequels came out there was nothing like this. Rotten Tomatoes was barely a thing at that point and the internet in general was nowhere near as big.

You're honestly telling me that The Last Jedi is worse than the prequel trilogy? yeah, okay.

14:39 Yeah he's saying that's stupid you mong. That's completely taking a clip out of context and twisting it, acting like the thing he's criticizing is what he's saying.

14:49 "Why are you giving people who say that any kind of attention" Why are you?

Maybe the reason he's giving those people a spotlight in this video is because those are the type of people he's talking about. You've assumed it's about anyone that doesn't like the movie even though he specifically said IN THE VIDEO that he doesn't care if you like it or not.

15:57 Maybe let him finish his fucking point rather than responding to every sentence out of context.

17:17 Yeah because that's not what the video is about. It's not about his thoughts on the movie it's about the stupid backlash.

18:40 "They did" just remake empire.

No they didn't. A lot of movies are structured similarly. The Force Awakens was much more derivative and you said you liked that, so.

"No one saw this story coming because it was so bad"

Matter of opinion once again. Doesn't mean you have to send death threats over it.

More opinion and repeating of points for several minutes.

25:42 You're for seriously using this argument? He literally addresses this in the fucking video. "You got the footage of those videos, did you not watch them?"

Fuck this i cant be assed to watch it further.

It's on the same level as a reaction video but it has little graphics and shit occasionally which somehow makes it okay i guess.

Either he didn't watch the whole video before starting to make this one or he's deliberately strawmanning, putting words in IHE's mouth and making the video seem worse by taking shit out of context.

[u/GuyFish12]

The weirdest thing about the video was (in my opinion) the comparison with his destiny 2 video.