Solution to Israel-Palestine conflict | Bassem Youssef and Lex Fridman

I just did a very lengthy debate on Israel and Palestine and the really painful thing from that there two historians it was it was deep it was thorough it was fascinating but in constantly asking about sources of Hope or Solutions there was none there was a there was a sense of like a really dark sense of it's hopeless from both sides it's hopeless uh so you know I Look to You for for source for a source of Hope do you have is is there any hope here Solutions shortterm long-term Obama have kind of summarized this beautifully in his book he said the reason why the Israeli Palestinian conflict is so chronic is one side have so much power and the other side have absolutely no power and that's what one he said he said like you have Israel that fa basically don't listen to us because they're supported by people who are bigger than the president bigger than Administration they know that they can I mean like you OB like Netanyahu was caught and tape many times saying like he's basically like belittling Americans like I we we control 80% of the population we don't care they this has kind of like nonchalant kind of like uh we we have them and and there's nothing really that compels Israel to give up anything because at the end of the day what is compromise compromise is like I give something you give something Israel is not giving anything and they project that on you so for example how many times have we heard like oh Palestinians were giving like four 5 6 7 15 chances and they said no to them and yet when you read the history that's not the case at all like for example in two th the whole idea about like Arafat walked away from U that didn't happen and there is an Incredible video by you know uh what's his name Joe SC scoro with Misha and they were hosting her father uh brazinski he was the uh National Security adviser and Jo carabo said like well you know like Arafat left the O court and the Palestinians left and then bis said like this is like embarrassingly shallow it's like listen what happened was there was a lot of CES on the o Court it was very unfair to the Palestinians so AR said like I agree but I need to take it to the Arab capitals and and they went to ins and they went to Sharm they came to Egypt and he and H Barak went to there and then left because there was election and he lost itel shiron came and it was destroyed this is one of the reason why people it is it's kind of like facts don't matter as much as what is the narrative that is being controlled but what what what were the biggest barriers to peace there do do you think it's fundamentally leaders don't want a two St solution or was there nuan small differences that have solved could have led to a two State solution I mean there was a maybe there was a certain point when the Israeli leaders were more open to compromise but I can't say that because each time Israel gives back land it has to be after some use of force the the 1973 War the Ina the first and second the the the the casualties in Kaza they never give up land willingly and because of Peace because if I have that much military I can do whatever I want why would I give up anything I have that much power why would America or China give everything if they're so powerful and especially if they are have this kind of open check from the United States so it is it is really about what can push Israel to give up something because you are so much stronger than me what could compel you to give up something and this is why the whole thing about like trying to equalize Palestinians and the Israeli state and government it doesn't make any sense so what is the source of hope you know John Stewart who will talk about it from many angles uh somebody you admire a friend M uh he propos the two-state solution look look look to the comedians for Hope yes well everybody's talking about the two State solution but Israel has said many times on Netanyahu and Ben like there there's going to be no State solutions they in the past is like even even neali Benet he came in on the on on hard talk as like yeah maybe in the past we wanted to St Solutions but like look every time we give them land they kill us so no State Solutions and they are openly saying it but that's perhaps rhetoric rhetoric that is supported by action because look at what they're doing in the the West Bank that you said they are cutting it IL legal settlement me peac mealing it so how is if you have an intention at all to give them anything why would you keep do keep doing this and you've called it a bunch of little Gaza it's a nice little picture of what's Happening peace mealing itum because it is what happened in the past 4 months the Palestinians have been micro doing on it for a very long time little by little little by little and we would shout every time when it get gets too much and then we shut down and then little by little but this time it was hard it was hard to see the blatant oppression and the word said maybe the Hamas Ministry of Health are giving us the bad numbers maybe it's just human Shields and I I I laugh there's 13,000 babies killed does does that mean that there're 13,000 military Target hiding in their diapers because it is so it doesn't make any sense to kill that maybe just like oh oops it is out of our head it's hard to know what to do with those numbers I mean I just one baby is enough but you know what happens when you hear so many numbers numbers become numbers and you become so desensitized and this is why there's a difference between saying 13,000 Palestinian kids did it's like mil Kain an Israeli baby 10 month old she was killed in her crib and this is what we hear from CNN we never hear a story about the Palestinian kid that's why thank you for giving me the space for saying the names of the Palestinian children that were killed just for four weeks don't like it's it's because humans needs context they need depth they need like a 3D look at what they can look at but if you just then numbers H they don't mean anything is there some degree to where both leaderships Hamas PA Palestinian Authority Israel all want war like Perpetual War to to remain in power there is that's that's an interesting uh question but I mean let's admit something the Arab regimes in the in the area have actually used the problem of Palestine in order to stay in power in order to take get excuses like have this enemy and Israel the the Israeli government has used that too and maybe the Palestinians but but my problem with when going into discussion this is that the the two sides are not equal they're not equal in power they're not equal in influence and they're not equal in international supports especially by the United States so Palestinians can I the people who have made changes in history were the people with power the people have the ability to change things and the Palestinians cannot really change what what can they change well is that true though with uh how much support the Palestinian people have so just like you said there's a lot of Arab states that are uh they will voice their prop Palestinian position in order to distract from their the own corruption and abuses of power in their own countries but you know I don't think if you look globally there's a complete asymmetry of power and public opinion here maybe in the press in the west but if you look globally but do they have the same kind of weapons that the Israeli have so literally power no there's a major asymmetry MH of literal power some money to their leaders does that make any difference I mean and also when you say Palestinian Authority which authority are you talking about Hamas or the Palestinian Authority who has been kind of a domesticated kind of like a puppy for The palan Who basically have been an informant for the OWN on their own people and this is the the thing also that kind of like really pissed me off when I was hearing the thing about the like Hamas Hamas Hamas Hamas like we have Netanyahu on tape confessing that he supported ham has G him money in order to cause factions in the in in between the Palestinians so it's just like it doesn't make you just told me this you just told me this you just told me like but H like what I mean to which degree does nyaho represent the Israeli people is is a is a real question to which point does Trump or Biden represent the American people and to which degree does Hamas represent the Palestinian people does none of these represent it but who have the power in order to make the decisions it really comes down to that well who does have the power are are you you're giving a lot of power to Israel yeah but the the Arab League what should hes do what do you think which ham has do continue doing what a charter says which is trying to destroy Israel and the role of the Palestinian people is to overthrow Hamas and get a more moderate leadership probably and the role of the Israeli people is to vote out this right-wing government and elect a more moderate leader so that there's a chance at peace with two moderate leaders so before Hamas even got to control 2006 Gaza there was a real in 2000 MH and we all know what happened and I Shon kind of like had make came up with this amazing policy of like breaking people's uh kids bones in the in father so he baraki was also like I mean which one is moderate I mean I think is Hamas is a product of what happened I mean we can if if there was no upper Titan in in South Africa there will be no NFC there will be no nson Mandela if there was no Nazis in in in Paris there will be no French Resistance and I'm not saying that and and again I'm not I I would don't want to be in a put in a position to defend Hamas or anybody because you know what that entails but there are those are like Hamas again not defending them they went into oober 7 what was their what what they why why did they do that like release our hostages the people in prison because if you're talking about people who were kidnapped Israel kidnaps people every single day and when they had that the first Exchange in November 4th Israel Le 400 people three4 of them were women and children why are those people in prison there's one in four kids that are in prison that stay in solitary confinement which is by international law a form of torture and you're putting kids through that is it possible so first of all ceasefire yes and longer term is it possible for Arab states and the United States to get together and with power through diplomacy enforce a solution it's a very very ideal solution but you know and I know that the Arab states don't really have the power all of the powers are in the hands of America they have the power see I would I think they have the power I don't maybe they don't want to use it they don't maybe because there's a benefit like the dark the dark sense I have is that a lot of people win from the suffering that Palestinians are going through because they can point to that and distract from definitely corruption in their own States and then obviously Iran can benefit also from the same kind of dynamic uh distracting from the uh the authoritarian nature of their regime definitely but what is the core of the problem here is it the Arab states using the suffering or the actually the the the suffering itself and the suffering comes from people being displaced their homes were taken away there are 7 million Palestinians in diaspora 7 Millions 7 million went out there and now they're living in Canada and America and Europe they had homes there they cannot go back to 1.7 million people of the people in Gaza don't belong in Gaza they were pushed from other places the the peace meal thing of people are being you know in in Germany I'm I'm going to shift gear a little bit it's going to be a little bit of fun there is a there is a book that I bought the rights to and I want to turn it into a movie and I bought I optioned the right for two month for for two years in March of last year before October 7th after October 7th I bought the permanent right mhm that book is called the Muslim and the Jew and it is written by an author called Jon and Stein I read an article about this book in 2016 and I chased that book for rights for seven years I didn't have that much money but I wanted that book and that book was translated into English called an and Doctor heli and that book tells the incredible story under Nazi Germany where Arabs went and droves to Berlin in 1920s after the first world war in the vi Republic and they became doctors and engineers and journalists for two reasons number one it was they're cheap very cheap because of the inflation and two a lot of the Arab nationalists didn't want to send their kids to to England or France because they were the occupiers and Dr helmy was the hero of that he's an Egyptian doctor and that's why I kind of like I personally kind of connected with him and he went to scho uh medical school didn't find a place to live so he lived in the Jewish GH like many Arabs he didn't find a school to work at a hospital to work in so he worked in a Jewish hospital so these are there was a lot of AR who lived with the the G and actually the the first director of the burlin mosque with a Jewish con convert who converted to Islam and he was a gay activist I'm telling you this is like a crazy story and this is all this is not a fiction story this is not this is actually like a non-fiction it's written actually based on the statement the documents of the Nazis and gabo Dr heny he was in this hospital and the Nazis came in and they killed and tortured and beat up the Jewish doctor and he made they made him the head of his Department then he was now he's surrounded by Nazi doctor they didn't touch him because he was an Arab there was kind of like a thing between Germany and the Arabs because they wanted to appease to them in order to have kind of a a grassroot base in the Arab world where he want to go next MH and this is why 1934 1935 the racial laws of norenberg they had a name change first they were called anti-emetic then they changed into anti Jewish because also Arabs were semetic so they wanted to appease the Arabs now what happened to Dr heli when that happened to him he would go back to the ghetto and he would see the the apartments next to him the Jewish apartment become more and more and more flooded with people because they were moving Jews and pushing them and putting them together pushing them to the side and each H each plat each flat each apartment instead of one family it would have three four six seven families and he was there b it home and he looked he was he was there this is where the people he grew up with he he lived with and now he's seeing that kind of discrimination just because he was an Arab and then he he started to kind of like Aton for like because he felt responsible because he wasn't treated the same way and he started to go and treat Jewish people in their homes because they couldn't go to hospitals and then one family gave them his daughter it's like this is Anna save her he took her pretended that she's his niece put a hijab around her taught her Arabic called her Nadia my not my daughter's name by the way and they and and he hid her in plain sights for seven years in front of the Nazis as his nurse it's an incredible story and then not just that he went to prison and then he went out and he formed with the Arab people that was in prison with him and network that saves 300 Jews you see that kind of story this is the Jews that were living in the Arab world I'm not saying that the Jews living in airboard was living like an incredible life of course as a kind of a minority they did not have like the full power of their full you know advantages of the r that's that's normal but we had this kind of a a relationship before Israel was erected in 1948 and then of course everybody looked at Jews at the time as fifth column and of course the nationalistic regimes used that and this is why what Biden said was very dangerous when he said if there's no Israel no Jew in the world will feel safe you are the leader of the Free World you are the president of the United States do you mean that you telling me that the Jews in your country in the United States of America are not safe that is wrong on two levels number one America historically and right now is more safe to Jews in America in the world than more than anybody they are safer than the Jews in Israel they never had prrs or or the Holocaust like Europe they live here a good life not perfect life but they are better second of all if you the president and you're telling that a group of people people will not feel safe unless there's a different one you are already feeding into their fifth column they're like you're Russian you come from there and there is a group of laws in the Russian Constitution that says that Russia will protect its citizens everywhere in the world what happens if the president says like oh you're Russians you're protected by own country you don't belong here this is terrible yeah you're right that's actually an indirect threat like yes uh you know even saying Muslims cannot feel safe in America or something like this that means like a that's a threat but what what would a Jewish person in Beverly Hills or in in in in Brooklyn feel if he hears that you are already telling people you need to have be loyal to Israel I mean Israel is a foreign country I am sorry but Israel is a foreign country Israel is a clein country that we sponsor and it is should actually be responsible and held accountable for what they do for

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Published: Mon Apr 08 2024