WINFREY: We're talking today with Harvard University psychiatrist John Mack, who studied the cases of about 100 people, at least, who claim that they've been abducted by aliens. One of Dr. Mack's patients, Randy, here says his abduction occurred while he was awake. He is here with his sister, Glynda, who says she, too, has been adu--abducted since childhood. Since what age? Do you remember? GLYNDA: Five. WINFREY: Five years old. And at five years old, what happened? Some of what Dr. Mack was described earlier here? GLYNDA: Right. I had a conscious--conscious--I consciously remembered my experience when I was five. WINFREY: Mm-hmm. GLYNDA: And--but I had bits of it that were missing. And what I--what I remember is that through my wall came some beings around my bed. And I ran between them and ran out of the room into my mother's room to hide from them. And what happened is they followed me in there. And that's the last I remember of it. However, it's interesting because after that, I never told anybody about that. And I just buried it in--in--in the back of my mind. And me and my brother, we never even spoke about it until the last few years. WINFREY: Why? Randy? RANDY: I first told my mom and dad when something --when I was 10 years old, something happened. And I told my mom and dad. WINFREY: Do you remember when he told you? You're Randy's mom. Randy's Mother: Yes. WINFREY: What did he tell you? Stand up, please. Randy's Mother: Well, back about a co--a couple years ago... WINFREY: Uh-huh. Randy's Mother: ...my daughter was living at a distance away from home. And she had picked up the book "Communion." WINFREY: Uh-huh. Randy's Mother: And she said she was--it disturbed her. So I tried to get a connection. WINFREY: Which daughter? Glynda? Randy's Mother: Glyndie. WINFREY: Mm-hmm. GLYNDA: Yeah. Couldn't sleep at night. Randy's Mother: So I read the book. And my son happened to wa--ral--walk in for dinner. And my husband and I were there. And I said, `Jeez, this is so stirring.' And he said, `Well, don't you remember when I was 10 years old?' And it was like it was put way in the back of our mind. And we both said, `Oh, yeah.' I remember him coming up to our room and... WINFREY: And saying? Randy's Mother: ...and saying there was a spaceship outside and there were little guys around his bed. Randy's Mother: And they put the dog to sleep. Which sounds bizarre. Now... WINFREY: A little more than bizarre. Yeah. Randy's Mother: Oh, it does. WINFREY: Very. Yeah. Randy's Mother: But--but--so my husband went outside... WINFREY: So when he told you at 10, you said, `Yeah, right, honey.' Randy's Mother: No. My husband went outside thinking it was probably an intruder. I settled--there wasn't an intruder, so we found. I settled him down for sleep and we never thought another thing about it until... WINFREY: There was or was not an intruder? I didn't hear you sa... Randy's Mother: There was not. WINFREY: Was not an intruder. Randy's Mother: Not that we were aware of. WINFREY: So you told him that... Randy's Mother: So I'm sure I... WINFREY: ...it was his imagination? Randy's Mother: I don't even remember telling him that. RANDY: No. WINFREY: What do you remember, Randy? RANDY: She--that was--that's pretty much it. But, I mean, I ran up to their room completely terrified. Because they--they had put me out for a little over an hour, and when I came to--you know, I ran--first thing was I didn't know if I was going to get upstairs where my mom and dad's room were--was. I mean, it was that kind of fear. And--and--yeah. This is--I have a hard time with this. WINFREY: Why? RANDY: Because I don't want to believe it. I really don't. WINFREY: Why? Because I'm thinking I wouldn't mind it happening to me. RANDY: Yeah. That's what everybody says. GLYNDA: Well, it hasn't happened to you. If it happened to you, you'd feel different. RANDY: That's what everybody says. But it--I mean, it's totally made me question what life's about. And it--it--it stirred my life up a lot. And... WINFREY: So when it happened at 10, you always believed profoundly... RANDY: No. I hoped there was--I hoped there was something wrong. And I had a lot of--I went through a lot of testing and things to find out whether something was wrong. WINFREY: So that was the first time it happened--times again. Yeah? RANDY: Yeah. GLYNDA: They didn't find anything wrong. WINFREY: Yeah. RANDY: Mm-hmm. WINFREY: And so... RANDY: And then it was 1990 when they came again. And I was probably conscious for five seconds before they put me out. WINFREY: So you were awake? RANDY: Yeah. WINFREY: And what happened? RANDY: They--they came in. I don't know where they came from. I mean, they were there so fast. WINFREY: Where were you? RANDY: I was just laying down on my bed. I just--just come down to my bedroom. I had just laid down and it was instantaneous. They were just there. And--wow. It--I--I just went into shock. I thought I was going to die. My--my life flashed before my eyes. And I just--I remembered all the times that they had been there before to--to get me. And--and then they put me out. And I just remember bits and pieces of what occurred after that point, very fragmented. But what blows my mind is meeting other people that it's happened to. That's what blows my mind. Because I talk to them and they know what I'm talking about. They--they've--they can--they're describing the same things. And it just blows my mind. I mean, how--I mean, I--I wish this was not happening. But I am getting so much--What do you call it? --evidence from-- just from talking to other people that this is not un--this is not uncommon, and this is... WINFREY: I know. But still all of us watching and hearing you now... RANDY: I know. I--I... WINFREY: ...are thinking--but where is the proof? RANDY: I wish I had it. GLYNDA: Right. Well, the on... WINFREY: It's just you saying it. Why don't--if it happens--it happens all the time. Dr. Mack will, you know, challenge this if--when we come back, why not take a picture of them? Why not bring... GLYNDA: We have. RANDY: I've--I've done--I've tried. I'm pretty good with electronics and I tried with cameras, motion-censored cameras, video cameras. GLYNDA: Trip wires. RANDY: Everything.
This was the way the subject was treated on talk shows in the 90s
This actually wasn't as bad as I was expecting. Only towards the end did it seem kinda rude, but still not that bad.
Skinny Oprah... mid 90's. Was probably flying high on over the counter phentermine.
So many abductions take place outdoors..even while driving..the blanket excuse of sleep paralysis just doesn’t apply to everyone.
I’ve watched this before. Thanks for sharing it here.
I’ve also read Dr. Mack’s book “Abduction,” which goes into further detail about his research with people who have had abduction experiences. Dr. Mack is a well-respected and experienced psychiatrist. He determined that abductees did not have any underlying mental or physical illness that could explain these experiences. Also, abductees do not come from one specific demographic. They come from different educational and economic backgrounds, genders, ages, races. Abductees are not simply a fringe group of “crazy” people.
Most of them are deeply traumatized by what they experienced. They had nothing to gain by talking about their experience, and everything to lose. Many abductees stay silent for fear of ridicule and being socially ostracized.
What they experienced is real. To say that it was simply a “bad dream” is insulting their intelligence. Most adults know the difference between a dream and reality.
Random but watching in 2021 everyone on stage looks like they're sitting sooo close. Damn this pandemic is conditioning us so heavily it's insane. I look at this and think "this is unsafe—oh wait" lol
Btw. agree with the sleep paralysis theory here. It could be a combo of that and sleep walking, or possibly even traumatic abuse.
Glynda.
And this (abductions) is where things start to get really disturbing. Disturbing because of the trauma of course, but also disturbing because it assigns near god-like powers to the aliens. By that I mean to say that we can fathom interstellar travel, but our minds begin to unravel when people start to talk about solid or organic objects passing through walls, and aliens being able to access and modify human memories.
It also makes me think about a few things:
Being able to pass through solid objects like walls without damaging them or the person you are abducting basically means that you have achieved god-like control over all physical matter in the universe. If that is the case, why do you still need to physically abduct humans? Such an advanced species should have been able to long ago abduct a single human and clone them for study infinitely, at the very least.
The aliens know the experience will be horrifying for you, and they have the ability to wipe your memory. They care so much about your wellbeing that they do not cause any physical trauma/damage to your body, and they always return you to the exact place that they abducted you. They have the power to manipulate physical objects so that you, and they, can pass through them. Why so often does their memory wiping method not fully work on abductees?
In many cases the alien craft seem rather small by our standards. Most of them do not seem large enough to have a full 'operating room' style scientific facility within them. If the aliens can manipulate space-time and have god-like control over the universe, has it occured to anyone that the abductees are not actually being probed on the craft itself, but are being taken somewhere else?
Why do we so seldom hear about children or the elderly being abducted? Within the context of American UFO abduction cases (because we focus on these usually) why is the demographic age, socioeconomic status, and racial background of abductees usually (but not always) quite similar? Is it a matter of cultural stigma within certain groups regarding the reporting of such events? Does the media specifically seek out abductees who fit a certain profile?
It’s clear that this man has been through something very traumatic & all Oprah wants to do is hear her own voice every 10 seconds.
Has anyone ever followed up on him? Hearing & watching him speak, you can tell it’s a very compelling story. I’d love to see a genuine interview with the guy.