>>> WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THEM SAYING YOU WENT ROGUE? >> WELL, THAT'S THE DEFENSE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO PUT FORWARD. IT'S GOING TO FAIL AND FAIL MISERABLY. THERE WAS NOTIFICATIONS THAT CAME WITHIN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION ABOUT HER. SHE WAS GOING TO GO PUBLIC WITH THE INFORMATION. >> MICHAEL COHEN TELLING HIS STORE THEY IN AN INTERVIEW ON THIS PROGRAM. NOW HE'S BEEN TESTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY UNDER OATH. BACK ON THE WITNESS STAND AND UNDER CROSS-EXAMINATION FROM TRUMP'S LAWYERS AND ALREADY MAKING BIG HEADLINES FROM HIS FIRST TWO DAYS TESTIFYING. >> MICHAEL COHEN HAS TESTIFIED THAT HE IS A LIAR, ADMITTING HE LIED TO CONGRESS, TO THE GOVERNMENT, TO THE PUBLIC. >> ONE OF THE MOST IMPRESSIVE THINGS ABOUT THE LAST TWO DAYS IS IT DOES APPEAR THAT COHEN MAY HAVE COMMITTED PERJURY AGAIN. >> THEY WERE SUGGESTING THAT MICHAEL COHEN WAS OBSESSED WITH DONALD TRUMP, THAT HE WAS LEFT BEHIND AND HAS SINCE BEEN ON A REVENGE TOUR. >> TOE EVERY WITNESS, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, TARRED AND FEATHERED, MICHAEL COHEN. >> DONALD TRUMP'S'S ATTORNEY ATTEMPTED TO SHRED THE CREDIBILITY OF THE PROSECUTOR'S STAR WITNESS. >> JURIES ARE SMART. THEY GET IT. IT'S A LOT OF COMMON SENSE. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN GIVE HIS TESTIMONY THE -- SAY IT HAS THE RING OF TRUTH. >> YOU NOTICE THE THEME HERE, WHILE MICHAEL COHEN IS THE FACT THAT HE'S A CENTRAL WITNESS THE FACT THAT HE'S SO CENTRAL IS CREATING A PROBLEM. IF THIS CASE IN THE JURY'S MIND RISES AND FALLS WITH SOME OF THE KEY CLAIMS THAT COHEN AND ONLY COHEN HAS MADE TO CORNER DONALD TRUMP, WELL, THE CASE COULD FALL APART IF THERE'S REASONABLE DOUBT RAISED THROUGH THE CROSS EXAMINATION THAT CONTINUES. WHAT WE KNOW IS THE LAWYERS ON TRUMP'S SIDE SAY THURSDAY THEY EXPECT TO SPEND MOST OF THE DAY GOING BACK AT COHEN. "THE TIMES" REPORTS THAT AT CERTAIN INTERVALS, TRUMP'S ATTORNEY SEEMED TO STRUGGLE THE GOTCHA MOMENT WHILE GRILLING COHEN ABOUT DISS INTERACTIONS, COHEN RARELY STRAYED OFF TOPIC AND TRUMP'S LAWYER USED HIS TIME TO ATTACK HIS CREDIBILITY, SOMETHING THAT THE TRUMP LAWYERS HOPES WILL LEAPED TO THE JURY DOUBTING HIS TESTIMONY. THERE'S A PROBLEM LOOKING AT THIS THE ONLY THROUGH THE LENS OF WHETHER THERE WAS A KNOCKOUT WOULD BLOW OR HOW COMPOSED COHEN WAS. MANY OF US, YOU AND I IF YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE CASE WITH US, HAVE ABSORBED MICHAEL COHEN AS A PERSON, AS A SPEAKER AND HIS STORY. THE JURY HAS BEEN HEARING ABOUT HIM, AND THEY HAVE HEARD AS ONE OF OUR WITNESSES, ONE OF OUR EXPERTS SAID THAT, HE'S BEEN TARRED AND FEATHERED, EVEN PRE-BUTTED. THEY HAVE BEEN WARNED ABOUT HIM, BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN YESTERDAY AND WILL CONTINUE TOMORROW COULD BE PIVOTAL IN THIS CASE AND COULD HELP DEFENDANT TRUMP. DO THEY, THE JURY, LEARN ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT COHEN THAT THEY START THINKING A LITTLE LESS ABOUT ALL THE RECEIPTS AGAINST TRUMP AND A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CHARACTER AND WHETHER THEY BELIEVE HIS CURRENT VERSION OF EVENTS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT? >> WE'RE JOINED BY FORMER SDNY PROSECUTOR AND ANALYST CHRIST EVEN GREENBERG. >> HOW ARE YOU? >> I'M GREAT. >> NICE TO BE HERE. THANKS FOR RUNNING AROUND WITH US. WE'VE HEARD THE VERSION THAT THE "NEW YORK TIMES" SAID AND A VERSION THAT I WOULD SAY IS MORE COMMON AMONG FRANKLY NON-LAWYERS WHICH IS AT TIMES YESTERDAY'S CROSS WAS HALTING, WAS MEANDERING, WAS EVEN AT TIMES BORING, AND YET YOU AND I WERE JUST DISCUSSING IN COMMERCIAL BREAK SO WHY NOT SHARE WITH EVERYONE THAT YOU DID NOTICE SOME PUNCHES WERE LANDED. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? >> WELL, LOOK, HE HAD A LINE OF ARGUMENT WHERE HE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WERE REQUESTS FROM THE PROSECUTORS AND REQUESTS FROM COHEN'S OWN LAWYER TO STOP TALKING ABOUT THE CASE, RIGHT? AND, OF COURSE, HE'S IGNORED THEM, AND SO THEIR ARGUMENT DURING CLOSING IS GOING TO BE, LOOK. THE PROSECUTORS AT THAT TABLE CANNOT CONTROL THIS GUY. HIS OWN LAWYER CAN'T CONTROL THIS GUY. HE WENT ROGUE, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE. DID THEY LAND IT AS SOLIDLY A PUNCH ON THAT AS THEY COULD HAVE, NO, BUT THEY MADE THE POINT AND THEY ARE GOING TO USE IT ON CLOSING. I THOUGHT OTHER PARTS REALLY FELL FLAT LIKE THE WHOLE MICHAEL COHEN IS OBSESSED WITH DONALD TRUMP. WELL, I DON'T KNOW, ISN'T THE WHOLE GOP KIND OF OBSESSED WITH DONALD TRUMP. THAT ARGUMENT THEY SHOULD HAVE LEFT TO THE MARIAH CAREY DIS SONG OF EMMEMBER, "WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH ME?" >> OR THE EMINEM SONG "STAND." SOMEONE WHO WAS A FAN AND WHEN REJECTED THEY TURNED NEGATIVE. >> RIGHT. SO, I DON'T KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN THE PARADE OF PEOPLE FROM THE GOP IN THE COURTROOM, OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM. I JUST -- YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I -- I DON'T THINK THAT LANDED SO WELL. I THINK STARTING OUT WITH MAKING IT ABOUT TODD AND SAYING YOU CALLED PLEA THIS NAME. LIKE WHO CARES. I THINK THE LINE OF CROSS ABOUT LIKE MONETIZATION, OH, HE'S JUST TRYING TO MONETIZE HIS CONNECTION TO DONALD TRUMP. WELL, WE'VE HEARD HOW MUCH DONALD TRUMP CARES ABOUT MONEY, SO, AGAIN, LIKE HE'S MONETIZING THINGS ON HIS OWN, SO I DIDN'T THINK HE LANDED SOLID PUNCHES, BUT HE SET UP ENOUGH LINES OF CROSS THAT HE CAN THEN GO BACK TO THOSE ARGUMENTS ON CLOSING. >> YEAH, AND THE JURY HAS HEARD THE D.A.'S SIDE AND TRUMP'S LAWYER SIDE DESCRIBE MICHAEL COHEN AS A PAST LIAR, SO THAT'S UNDISPUTED. >> YEAH. >> DID MR. BLANCHE AVOID ANYTHING TO SHOW THAT HE COULD BE A CURRENT LIAR. >> NOT YET. >> THAT'S TOMORROW. TOMORROW -- MY PREDICTION IS TODD BLANCHE IS GOING TO DO A LOT BETTER TOMORROW. I THINK HE HELD BACK SOME OF THE AMMUNITION THAT HE HAD, AND HE'S REALLY LOOKING TO UNLEASH THAT TOMORROW, SO THERE ARE A FEW AREAS WHERE I THINK THIS IS GOING TO COME UP FIRST AND FOREMOST. MICHAEL COHEN SAID THAT UNDER OATH YESTERDAY THAT HE NEVER WANTED TO BE DONALD TRUMP'S CHIEF OF STAFF. THERE'S AMPLE EVIDENCE THAT HE DID, NOT JUST IN TELEVISION INTERVIEWS WHICH I EXPECT TODD BLANCHE WILL SHOW HIM AND CONFRONT HIM WITH, BUT IN PRIVATE MESSAGESES THAT SDNY LAID OUT IN THEIR PAPERS, PRIVATE MESSAGES TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE ABOUT HOW MUCH HE WANT THAT HAD JOB, HOW DISAPPOINTED HE WAS WHEN HE DIDN'T GET THAT JOB AND ALL THE THINGS HE TRIED TO DO TO GET IN A JOB. EXPECT THAT TO COME OUT. >> SO YOU'RE SAYING THURSDAY WILL BE BLANCHE'S CHANCE TO SAY YOU LIED ON TUESDAY. >> CORRECT. >> AND IF YOU DID LIE ON TUESDAY ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WE ALL REMEMBER, YOU WANTED THE WHITE HOUSE JOB, IT'S NOT LIKE WHERE DID I EAT DINAR YEAR AGO, THAT'S THE THING THAT HE WANTED FROM THE GUY THAT HE HAS THIS INTENSE PSYCHODRAMA, AND YOU'RE SAYING THE JURY IS GOING TO GET THE MESSAGE IF YOU LIED ON TUESDAY ABOUT THAT, HOW CAN WE BELIEVE YOU ABOUT OTHER THINGS? >> YES, EXACTLY. THAT, PLUS MOTIVE, RIGHT? LIKE THIS IS WHAT HE WAS UPSET B.THIS WOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM A MOTORIVE TO CHANGE THE STORY. THE OTHER AREA IS HIS PAST CRIMES, RIGHT? HE SAID ON THE STAND YESTERDAY, WELL, I NEVER DISPUTED THE FACT THAT I COMMITTED TAX CRIMES. I'VE NEVER DISPUTED THAT FACT. >> RIGHT. >> WHICH IS WHAT HE PLED GUILTY TO. BUT HE HAS DISPUTE THAT HAD FACT. HE WROTE A BOOK CALLED "REVENGE" HER HE SAID THE TAX CRIMES ARE 100% INACCURATE AND HE GOT UP ON THE STAND AT THE CIVIL FRAUD TRIAL AND SAID I DIDN'T COMMIT THE TAX EVASION CRIME, AND WHEN I TOLD THE JUDGE IN THE GUILTY PLEA THAT I DID, I WAS LYING, SO JUST KEEPING SCORE, GUILTY PLEA HE SAYS I EVADED TAXES, CIVIL FRAUD TRIAL, I DIDN'T EVADE TAXES AND I LIED IN THAT PLEA AND NOW IT'S I NEVER DISPUTE THAT HAD I DID IT.
