Redpill Debate w/ SNEAKO And FRESH AND FIT

red pillars will make some observations that are true and then they get wild with it and they go off into these crazy places where it's like i understand where you're starting from but the places that you go you could go in such a better direction back then online only existed to augment your real life yes the reason why you got social media because it helped you connect with friends more because back then like a lot of us weren't using cell phones as much yet it wasn't a requirement to text everybody yeah like yeah and and people use these things to make their real life better but at some point past 15 years in real life it became real life women have stepped into more and more traditionally masculine roles they're earning more money they're handling their sh they're stable there's more to them than just looking pretty this is what women have done but men are not allowed to step in traditionally feminine roles if you were black and you wanted to buy houses and start everything yeah you could literally do it yeah which is and again not to make excuses because today is today and you can't go into the past and change anything you have to work as hard as you can today but it pisses me off and you get some of these white [ __ ] that have had houses that have been in their families for [ __ ] generations looking at people welcome to the fresh fit podcast well sneaker not you so much yeah yeah we're tired of you bro yeah he's about to be our neighbor here soon so you guys about to see him pop up like it's gonna be crazy you're gonna see him in the chat one minute like oh this is annoying just like [ __ ] on them but uh i guess we'll start with you sneaker and then destiny can introduce himself sneako shiniko my second channel you know me i've had a lot of debates with destiny recently and uh yo shout out to act for calling me stupid for the last debate with destiny stupid come on man okay so this is the destiny or whatever the [ __ ] his name is basically he's making him look stupid come on come on that way you're cool man okay you'll probably be here sometime this summer so yeah yeah uh well summer's almost over on the floor maybe anything else nah yeah so i don't give a [ __ ] yeah fantastic destiny welcome to the fresh fit podcast man not stupid one in that debate thank you very much jack i don't know anything about you but i appreciate the uh compliments so um yeah you can find me on youtube.com destiny i do politics philosophy video games whatever some would call me blue pill maybe okay all right so uh can you tell people why you're because i did not know that you were banned off twitch until right before we started the stream what happened bro yeah if you could talk about it sure um the the just basically i've always had kind of like a center-left political position which like five years ago in the gaming space was pretty far left yeah but the scene has changed a lot over time yes it has and um yeah stuff has gotten way way way farther left so i think the ban was because i had a position that i didn't believe that trans women should be competing in the same leagues as cisgender women how dare you are you bigot yeah basically and then i got i think i got back maybe but they all they do is they tell you that they ban you for hate speech and they don't actually tell you what it was for but i don't see like any hateful slurs or anything on my stream so that's my guess but that's very big yeah i mean hey man let's just let guys compete with girls and just continue to beat the crap out of them and let them know that they're inferior physically uh all right cool so i'll read these chats real quick we already got 12 000 you guys in here so do me a favor like the video subscribe to both their youtube channels destiny sneako and shniko okay and their links are all below as well guys check them out first and foremost they want to say thank you for um you know getting our side when all the [ __ ] happened with you know l3 making those dumb ass allegations that's when i reached out to you actually um you know giving an objective look on it obviously that girl made some [ __ ] allegations that weren't true and like her story just fell apart when we pulled out all the receipts yeah of course going to make it worse than it really is of course yeah they call him ethan decline for a reason that's all they got is cancel culture they aren't really good at arguing you guys don't have as many nicknames as you guys have i'll say that for sure jesus christ i'm like re-learning every youtuber when i step in here as like a new nickname for you guys oh yeah yeah we we have a bunch of uh nicknames but yes lausanne and l3 are definitely our favorites ones um and you know they're they're the ones that like they made so many videos talking [ __ ] about us like oh i'll debate you guys blah blah blah now all right cool listen matter of fact me and andrew will gladly debate you two in person all of a sudden oh no we got family oh no we don't want to debate it's like like are you guys even relevant anymore uh well andrew takes the most searched person on google and we get way more views than y'all and we have one third of the audience so what do you what's your excuse bro what's your excuse like you're gonna say we're not relevant what the [ __ ] you know what it is bro we they're our biggest supporters that's what it is all right so uh i guess i'll turn it to to you guys like what what do you guys disagree with on fresh effect that we typically talk about i want to start with this just for you guys because you guys are definitely icons in space as well how did you find the rp and what's your thoughts on rp and we'll start i guess destiny so i've been in doing like the political space probably for like since like 2016 and then red pill stuff is kind of like it rose like in the early trump days and that kind of like receded for a while and then i see over the past like year or two especially last year it's like picked up again a lot um and i guess the way that i see it is that you've kind of got like this progressive establishment that is basically through all these kind of like academic terms of like built up this idea that you could say like men white people the mayo side blah blah blah blah blah but like every other racial minority is super protected can't make fun of black people can't make fun of hispanic people can't right and then if you're white there's like 50 million things got to worry about when you have that type of attitude and then it becomes pervasive on your side then i mean invariably there's going to be other people that will start to speak to the disaffected people that you're pushing out and i think that part of the red pill has been that that there are people on i'll say the right i don't know if you guys would seriously be the right there are people on the right that are willing to speak some uneasy truths that people on the left just won't acknowledge yeah you know um and as long as you're not willing to acknowledge something that's true you're gonna lose to the people that are willing to acknowledge what's true i think that red pillars will make some observations that are true and then they get wild with it and they go off into these crazy places where it's like i understand where you're starting from but the places that you go you you could go in such a better direction arguing about engagement that's a big reason why we get dragged so much is because we actually i've said it a million times um the public enemy number one is the white male yeah you know it's how you galvanize the left is you need a common enemy it's what hitler did to unite germany white men bad they came here colonized and they enslaved everybody et cetera but but if you're like a woman you're a colored person whatever it may be you're considered a protected class and you can say whatever you want it's only racism right if it's on a protected class but if you make fun of a caucasian guy talk [ __ ] about him even a white girl we've had girls come on this podcast to say derogatory terms about white people yeah and no one bats a eye and my thing is just this we talked about this with sneaker the other day you know we'll have people running around saying black lives matter and black power and you know we need to have black owned businesses and you need to marry a black woman you should you should need to be with your kind we need to keep our roots strong black lives right you know black power could you imagine if we reverse it around white power yeah wait oh no kkk you know what i'm saying like oh you guys are racist blah blah blah but it's only racism when white people do it it's not racist the other way around and it goes back to that logic thing that i talked about if you put it on the other side does it make sense and it does not in this case i i will say let me let me represent the other side a little bit i think there are reasons for that i think there are there are reasons why and everybody at this table knows if you hear a guy say black power it's whatever but if you hear a dude say white power you're like hold on what do you mean by that right it's like and it's it's one of those things where you know different people you know represent groups for different reasons but the problem is that i can give you that answer for that and i can give you that answer for everything else but when you take all of it collectively at some point it doesn't matter anymore just sounds like well it sounds like you [ __ ] hate white people that's what it sounds like so yeah they're like i think everybody here knows when you hear somebody say white power there's something else going on there as opposed to like black but like but yeah i agree that like when you have that excuse for every single issue like why is it okay to say [ __ ] and kill all white people but i can't deal with black people when you have that excuse for every reason it looks bad and i think that's where the left's kind of lost control of the narrative and the optics and everything yeah i just look at it like if if you want to if you want to end racism then it's got then everyone's got to be held to the same standards my thing like you can't sit there and say uh black power then a white dude goes ahead and says white power and you're like oh well you're a racist when you're pretty much saying the same [ __ ] i've heard them say terrible things like oh yo we need to attack white people take the [ __ ] back and no one really bats a eye like it's crazy to me that like black lives matter is not designated as a domestic terrorist organization because they fit the profile 100 according fbi definition you know but if you have like a white militia group they're definitely going to go on that um fbi list so i look at it like listen you look at the justice department what does lady justice have right she has a blindfold then she has the two skills justice is supposed to be blind that's what they say so i look at it like listen if you're going to go ahead and say this is racist on one side it's got to be racist on the other side too that's all i'm saying the the way to defeat racism is through equality but it's got to be it can't be selective yeah twitch went through that a couple months ago there was a huge ordeal where some people wanted to defend calling white people cracker and it blew up into a crazy thing and like i was surprised twitch actually started banning people before it's like this is a little bit wild but um yeah not not a good like i would say yeah it's just like i said it's just wild to me how like you can be racist to white people but if they say anything about like a protected class it's considered you're racist yeah because you're punching down and you are you're systemically oppressing somebody and blah blah blah there's like all these reasons why you can't make fun of somebody else but these people will like go after your throat for everything exactly they'll try to like they'll go after your job they'll go after your income they'll go after like your online presence they'll get you banned kicked out of your apartment whatever seriously they try to do it to us and it's like because and we're colored so it's like then they'll say oh well you guys are black like uh you you can't make comments on the black menu because you guys aren't black and it's like okay bro we're gonna use this [ __ ] example again so could you imagine if we were white saying what we're saying now oh yeah we would have been canceled now but like it's just our turn because what happens is right like no one's safe like knows white man it could be spanish man next just depends bro so nobody's safe yeah yeah and it's gonna and it's gonna i've always said that the left continues to eat itself so it starts with caucasian men it's gonna start to progress and it's gonna get to a point where it's gonna be like oh i'm out of trash only women and you need to be purple haired at 300 pounds and you need to be the most woke etc like like all the as the years pass becoming uh left becomes more and more extreme so it's like there's like the comic with the there's the guy standing with like 10 people in front of him and then there's the um the bolt not the bulldozer what's the flattening thing the okay i think we've gone far enough now yeah right because it's coming for him now yeah exactly that's kind of what happened to me yeah so that's basically i'm one of the flattened dudes i mean i i uh you know shout out to temple i always use him as an example 10 years ago right 10 10 12 years ago around 2010-ish he would be considered like a flaming liberal now it's like he's a raging conservative you know and that's just goes to show you just in the span of 10 years how much we've like went off the [ __ ] rails as far as like being woke and being politically correct and people's feelings and also the crazy [ __ ] so yeah it's funny because like the three of us are here did you vote for trump they didn't well you didn't vote but you would seriously trump supporter bro he don't even watch american movies if you were a trump voter you'd immediately be labeled alt-right but myron and i both voted for trump and like they can't use the same terminology i didn't vote but if i could vote i didn't vote but if i could i'll vote for him and if he runs again if they don't pull some [ __ ] why couldn't i work for the government well in 2016 when was i in 2016. i was um i was registered to vote in connecticut i also didn't matter my vote is usually yes yes in 2016 i was a registered connecticut so that's a big uh yeah so in a room is andrew tate good for for the guys or not in your opinion and why i'd say absolutely not okay okay why is that i think that the i think that the idea of masculinity and success and fulfillment that's being sold by a lot of people on the right i think leads to the same type of spiritual wasteland that you're trying to like pull these young men out of i would say like when i look at somebody like um andrew tay or even like for you guys or anybody that talks about red pill stuff it always feels like your big markers for success are how many women can you get how much money can you make what kind of cars do you drive and at the end of the day i just i don't know how old you guys are but like when i think back to the things i've had in my life like i don't like remember the third you know new iphone i got i don't remember like when i got my new car like it was cool for like a week but like there are memories that you make with other people there are things you achieve or accomplish your life for me maybe stuff related to music maybe stuff related to gaming when i was in esports like these are the standout memories that i have but i never hear anybody in like the red pill society building towards that it always feels like they're building towards like the most hollowed existence that you possibly could have as a man that gets like signed off by mainstream consumer society you've applied that a lot to me but i've never even really talked about that and even if i do i want the ability to buy those things it's not those things are going to make me happy i just want to have the power to not be restricted by anything yeah but i guess the argument that i always make is if you spend all of your life trying to get the capability to have everything right like a man who spends his whole life on the mission once that mission is fulfilled he has nothing because your whole life you've just spent trying to get stuff right and you haven't worked on building relationships building friendships accomplishing something real um like the best the best type of advice you get from red pill is at least working out as long as you're doing it for yourself and not to impress a check but like because building your body means something so you don't prove something else i don't know i don't think that's that important i think that there are like upgrades to your life you can make if you're making 15 000 a year and you live with your mom and dad yeah you need to up your money of course but like if you've got a decent job and and i've seen this as a millennial there's a lot of people from my generation who are sitting in their apartment making 140 000 a year doing work from home who [ __ ] hate themselves they have no friends except for the ones that they see light up on discord they have no hobbies except for the 4 000th game of league of legends they play for the day and they have like no fulfillment in their life they have nothing and then these are the types of people that go online like how do i meet girls how do i meet friends like why is it that i've hit every big marker in my life but i'm [ __ ] miserable and i think that that void isn't being answered by anybody i think right now would you admit right that life is about experiences yeah for sure so if i'm a guy living in this world today when i want the best experience possible absolutely so if i'm telling guys to be better and become better themselves and experience more things in life i want to have the best in life for example the nicest cars nice lifestyle because that does breed experiences now i get what you're saying most guys may not get to that marker and they may be miserable on the journey but we're just saying look if you live on this earth right now how do you improve how do you become better because that is one way you can actually have purpose in life becoming better i agree with you but we're almost begging the question having the best experiences the best type of life but what are those experiences like i i wish we had somebody older here who was like wealthy but like i guarantee you if you pull like a 40 50 60 year old dude i'm 33 i'm decently wealthy millionaire before 35 and like got my [ __ ] together traveled the world when i think about when i think back about the things that mean the most to me it's never the new expensive computer i got it's never the new expensive car i got to drive it's never like the it's always going to be like the experiences i've had with other people especially people i love so like the experience of my wife and ex-girlfriends like never like the car that i drove or like the newest cell phone i have like it's the memories you make with other people i think and to some extent money can help you do that but to another extent money can help you do that i have my family um on my mom's side all came from cuba and i watched my my cuban family is so divided on on one end i've got my god bless my love my parents are amazing people i love them they love me but oh my god do they run the rat race they're in a huge house they're both on social security my dad works full-time he collects disability and retirement from the air force and they're going to work till they die they've already got like one foot in the grave and they're walking down working full-time and like where's the happiness in that whereas if i look at my other the other part of my cuban family half these people live in hialeah they live in these dog [ __ ] apartments yeah every time it [ __ ] rains you've got cockroaches around but man every friday saturday they're having these huge parties they have a barbecues people are going over they don't have expensive [ __ ] half these [ __ ] don't have phones but they're all having fun times they love each other they're having like an amazing time every weekend they've got friends relationships and and i look at like both of these worlds and i'm like [ __ ] like well who's winning at the end of the day because i on one end i see the american dream which is chasing the houses the money the pools the big lifestyle and then on the other hand i see like these like dumb hispanic people but like these guys are so much happier we're like what the [ __ ] and i think even you guys are clued into that to some extent because i hear i hear it in your rhetoric and i know it's stripped down this idea of like western women and western lifestyles they have it more figured out in these other parts of the world and these other parts of the world aren't running the same race that we run in the west where we're obsessed about getting like cars and houses and [ __ ] so i'll just make one more point on this so recently right i just bought a 2022 rose colonel truck right i saw the story yeah not the flex or anything but like that experience there you know what i'm gonna do everyone that i care about that watch me on the journey up i'm thinking for writing it and like my mom is like decide to come see it whatever i'm just saying like yes you're right chasing things like material stuff is kind of dumb however when you want to understand why you're doing it it makes sense so for example giving people you care about your family your mom you know your dad your son or whatever giving them those experiences will change their life and also as well let's say they get sick my guy and i was sick a couple years ago right and i didn't have money to pay for his stuff you'd be dead right now so having the money you need it no matter what it's like breathing bro but don't mind you can't survive so we're just saying look get as much money as possible so you'll help your family well as well you know what get experiences too traveling meeting with people i don't mind you can't do much in this world it's sad but it's what it is i don't think the red pill is as materialistic as you're making it out tonight it's super materialistic but myron's not materialistic at all for example yeah so i'm not even that materialistic i was gonna say um so um my thing is i've always heard this quote i love to quote it's uh money doesn't buy happiness but it's a damn good down payment and what i mean by that is for us when we talk about money and becoming successful we always say you know you got to get in shape you got to get uh get your money up and then you got to understand female nature so you could become a complete package not to get women but so that women are a byproduct of your success so that you project yourself in the world in a certain way and we're really big on guys having like a purpose because if you have a purpose then you're gonna every purpose um you have a direction and when you have a direction you have a destination when you have a destination you have something to work towards so my thing is i always tell guys your value is not determined by the amount of girls you can get your values determined by how much value do you create for the world and then the women are going to be attracted to that so we tell guys like yo don't chase girls chase success and then the girls will follow after that right so that's one thing and then like um my thing also is that me myself i'm a hardcore minimalist i mean i just brought back my 2002 honda you know i don't really own anything nice except for like one rolex that's a plain jane uh i don't spend really any money except for like in the studio and then my real estate investments but i think it's important for guys to have the capability to have these experiences you're talking about so i grew two hundred percent that life is built upon experiences not materialistic things now for some people those experiences are centered around material things it depends on the person but my thing is i look at it like you need to have that money so that you have the capability to provide those experiences in the first place and um i know what you're saying like with tate and everything else like that that he might not be good a good example because um it's hollow some guys get bugattis or whatever so i see your perspective on it but what i would say is that if he teaches a guy how to make money right and that guy just need a kick in the ass to tell him hey get out there make some money start a side hustle etc well then that person could decide what they want to do with the money you know because everyone makes money for different motivations some people do it for financial freedom some do it to flex some people do it to buy clothes or whatever it may be and i think materialistic materialistic things in general are stupid but if it makes them happy even for temporary then hey man do what you want to do but i think it's important to have that money so you have the opportunity it's a down payment towards that happiness to some degree is my thing but i'm i'm a big firm believer that you make the money not for girls but so that you can go ahead and walk away from girls if they do some [ __ ] it gives you an extra air of confidence because you know competence leads to accomplishments which then leads to confidence and that's the end product a lot of times for making the money so i want the end product from making the money not necessarily making the money to chase after the girls if that makes sense sure if it and i guess we'll probably get into more of this in later topics if that is the case i think that's a good message right the goal isn't to get certain things is to build yourself up to a position that those things come to you naturally that's what absolutely and it's a better way to get those things too because then you like you really deserve them you really earn them and you're going to keep them yeah you're not playing stupid games to get a hold of them i do agree with that um and like i i think that there are things you can spend money on to get good experiences right yeah so you guys have been a podcast for like a year and a half of an amazing studio you've had a lot of success like every dollar that you pour into this is a sense of fulfillment right you're not just buying [ __ ] to have [ __ ] right but you're like actively improving on something that i imagine you guys will probably feel everybody here probably feels really strongly about so that's cool i like i support that i think that's a good idea but you've got to admit when you look at like the the plethora especially around the tape stuff when i see all of the advertising for the red pill stuff it doesn't feel like i hear about that that chasing of fulfillment very much it all feels very material always says that a dork who gets rich like money just amplifies what you have so a dork that gets super rich that's why bill gates wife ends up leaving and take half of his money with a bunch of money it doesn't make you a better man to have a [ __ ] ton of money you need to be a better man overall or else you're just a rich dork and everyone looks down at you but then it just the only worries when you're tracking the metric like are you a better man because you have money or like you were saying do you get more money because you end up being a better man and the second one i think is okay there are ways you can improve yourself to improve your life to get more money but if the goal is the money that's always going to be the goal and when you retain it like you're going to be lost i think foundationally if your drive is going to be a set of money you're going to win because at that point you're right for example we have a goal board in our rooms you know at least in my room and when had each goal it's like okay cool i feel happy then i'm like what's next if you hit all your goals then what what do you do so in that sense like what you're saying but you're coming from it you know what i enjoy the journey to get to where i'm at then they make sense yeah another thing too is why i tell guys all the time like um you know i went on a huge rant on this as far as like guys like attributing their value to their notch counter getting girls is that it's a fleeting win because once you hit you know let's say 50 girls oh now i need a hundred once you 100 now i need 200. you know and then you're never going to be satisfied because you're always going to want more girls you're you're like i always say the male thirst for you know sexuality from women is insatiable you're always going to want more and more girls so the only way that you can really satisfy that like drive to conquer is through accomplishing things and then letting women women be the byproduct because if you're going to go ahead and chase after women you're going to be a very angry bitter guy because you're going to be chicks are fickle and flaky from the rip that's just how they are they're emotionally erratic creatures so i always tell guys you go after the success because at least that's in your control and then the girls are going to come after i i always use drake as an example right so when drake comes here to miami right drake yeah drake uh what he'll do is he'll have a party right and he'll have like 50 to 100 girls show up and he doesn't pay none of them attention even though all of them are trying to go talk to him right and that's a perfect example right obviously like on a higher scale right but my thing is i want guys to have that mindset where you're so successful that your work speaks for itself and then girls want to get to come and meet you because he's already created value to the world and the byproduct of that is the women naturally come to him so i want guys to strive to be at that level whether you're the top guy you're firm you're the top guy on youtube you're the type guy in your office whatever it may be like if you look at like sales right like um people that work in sales a lot of times the top salesman guy gets a bunch of the chicks and it comes from like women naturally being attracted to dominance hierarchy so my thing is be the best guy that you can be and then the women are going to come as a part of that but when you chase after ass all day which a lot of guys do that's where you get that hollowed out feeling that you're talking about which i agree with um and i've said that explicitly many times you've got to become the best version yourself and that comes from going to the gym making money and then becoming that guy because the other thing too that sneaker was saying as far as like you know these guys that are like losers that make money quickly maybe they just you know hedged on a good ass coin and then they made the money and they blew up they didn't they didn't learn they didn't get the discipline the hardship of it again yeah and they didn't go through the you know the trials and errors of like becoming that guy like anyone when anyone ever play pokemon you do the [ __ ] rare candy trick where you get like 99 rare candy and you take two pokemon you take one that's a level like five another one level five you train one by going to the elite four multiple times having him get his ass whooped or whatever it may be and level no and then you take the other pokemon you just give him rare candies to level 100. that pokemon that you give the rare candy to he's going to be weak as [ __ ] his attack is going to be weak his defense is going to be weak his special is going to be next it's going to be terrible when you look at him but when you go to the other pokemon that actually went through the fights and fought the elite four 120 times his stats are going to be way better so that's kind of what it's like with like fast money at least of slow problems but if you get the money in a way where you had to build yourself up then you're somebody this is why women like right there's so many trust fund babies here in miami and i'm sure you guys know this holy [ __ ] i will say that coming to because my wife wanted to move my aiming she wanted to be down here and i've never seen so many i was talking to sync about this and but i i might not see the same kind of people but i see so many people and i'm like what do you guys do for work like oh you know never i was like we're in south beach this place is [ __ ] expensive yeah like one better apartment is like five thousand a month what do you mean you don't [ __ ] work everybody here like you're making money yeah these money or south american money so like those people right like perfect example like i can't tell you how many girls have come on this pot and like deal with those guys right and they just tolerate them because they have money because they didn't go through the work to become a man to make that money so those guys are not like inherently attractive to them they're just tolerating them because they have money versus a guy that made the money he becomes a [ __ ] somebody that guy had to learn certain characteristics and had to build character to make that money that's what's attractive i've always said that women aren't attracted to money they're attracted to the characteristics it takes to make a lot of money this is one of the reasons why um and i'm only bringing up things you said not to brag on you but i don't know how much like trickles done for anything else but like this there's one of the reasons why i rag on like the crypto bros so much like there are people that build businesses provide a value service to the world or even build youtube channels yours is really good you've done a really good job of that and like i respect that but i don't want to hear financial advice i'm such some [ __ ] loser that bought like some [ __ ] coin and made like two million dollars i know you're not no you do good content you do you you've made your [ __ ] like you've proven yourself you're from early age but like yeah like hearing like hearing some like 21 year old like crypto millionaires like oh i'm going to tell you what the future of web 3 is like bro you don't know [ __ ] anything about anything yeah okay you put three weeks of allowance on some [ __ ] doggy coin and somehow you're a millionaire today like you're gonna lose that [ __ ] in two weeks and you know and it always happens too yeah yeah and then the test is like you know if you took that person's money now would they be able to make it back no and then that's there you go that's a litmus test because the the question that they'll always do you guys say your age yeah i'm 32. okay i i think we agree on this if you could go back to being 20. and you could either have all your money now or all your knowledge now what would you have i would take the knowledge without even a second yeah but if you take a crypto millionaire and you go back five years you have the money or the knowledge they didn't [ __ ] learn anything right unless you're unless they're literally like well what can i predict the future was like what did you learn investing in some coin yeah you're not reading white papers okay you know how the [ __ ] technology works yeah and i have crypto too so it's like i i definitely understand how people can like pump a coin or whatever and get lucky you know it is what it is but like you know i would definitely take the knowledge of how to make money for sure over getting lucky and getting the money so so destiny do you believe in the hero's journey um like the greek archetype or whatever yeah i mean i believe it's a story and to some extent it's applicable to our lives yeah of course so to me from what i see andrew doing he's giving you the hero story he's been through hardship you know he was poor not successful he worked his way up he's saying you know what if i can do it on some level you can too as well would you agree on that or no i so say that he always disagrees i said everybody can get rich now and he doesn't like that here's the problem okay with these guys okay these guys are on the titanic and there's one lifeboat that can hold 400 people and there's 10 000 people on the deck and they're like everybody can get in this boat that's not true anybody could get in the boat but not all 10 000 of them are getting in okay when you've got like a podcast where guys are talking about here's how you come a millionaire doing this without that yeah maybe there's like some percentage your audience could do it but 98 of these guys are going to fail and we everybody knows that from the dawn of any multi-level marketing any online type of advertising any like encouragement to like get rich doing these things like these goals are for 98 of people totally unattainable can anybody do it probably can everybody do it absolutely not would you agree though that if i work on myself every day the rest of my life i will improve on on some level absolutely yeah so that's what we're saying here on the podcast you want guys to improve you may not become a multi-millionaire per se but you could do the best that you can do for example maybe talk guys for sales in your area maybe like you know you're the guy that has like the most like i want to say influencing in your society we're just saying like as a guy if you're gonna put every single day you win because on that level you have purpose you drive and people see you as you know the top g in a sense for sure yeah yeah i mean it because if you shoot for the stars you know and you fall a little bit short you're still up high so that's that's what it comes down to do you think you've been blindsided a little bit by just seeing like the bugatti and seeing that but that's always like the the thing is that's always like the pull in and i think that's what a lot of the people are after because when people start evaluating if they're successful or not and i'm going to be honest i haven't even in my audience right i'll say like hey guys like we should think about these political issues like this or that some people just bite like a political opinion they don't actually copy any of the underlying thought process i'm like well [ __ ] like now i'm kind of disappointed is that exactly what happened to you with the reptile space no what do you mean like don't you think you just took the bite size like no no what i'm saying is i think a lot of people take the bite size stuff because like i said and i admitted at the beginning and i'll say it again i think there's a lot of stuff that red pill people do get right right i think that a lot of people on the left for whatever dumb [ __ ] reason are really scared of self-improvement like i'm reading articles from the new york times saying that like you know workout culture has been taken over by the right why the [ __ ] is that the case why the [ __ ] would the right have a monopoly on improving your body what a stupid thing meanwhile i go to the left and i'm seeing like health at every size [ __ ] i'm like oh well that's why [ __ ] me i guess you know so yeah i mean like there are things on the red pill that they acknowledge that are true yeah good side eventually i'm telling you yeah there's there's a quote just because one side errors too far does it really follow that the other side couldn't be airing too far as well and that's kind of how i feel like i like the left is [ __ ] ran away for sure but that doesn't mean that the right has the correct answer you're in the middle um i'm definitely on the left more on the left so i'll say center left i'll give you that okay all right i reach really far i can touch the middle yeah i mean and we talked about body positivity before too i mean i i that's one thing that i have like i've made girls like literally get very mad or whatever on the like um i i genuinely wholeheartedly believe is your fat it's your [ __ ] fault and you deserve zero sympathy you know um because at the end of the day as a human being especially in a first world country like the united states you control every morsel of food that goes into your mouth controlling calories and going to the gym is not that difficult if you go to you can build a pretty damn good physique go into the gym only three times per week for about an hour or an hour and a half and people will sit that you know waste that time playing video games or eating shitty ass food or doing a bunch of [ __ ] on their phones scrolling through tick tock so like obesity is just something that's unacceptable but yes i agree with you like that's like considered like like on the left they're like oh body positivity except you any size love your curves but you know you know with the conservatives they tend to be like well being fat is not correct because conservatives tend to be a little bit more based in reality does that mean that you know are all conservatives right no but that's one thing i agree with you that the left is definitely on some [ __ ] with his body positivity which i think is cancer well and then like the thing and i'll push back a little the thing is is that like the core of that messaging is correct you can just because you're fat doesn't mean you can't try to improve your health in some ways because something that'll happen sometimes is once somebody gets a little fat they'll just lose it like [ __ ] it like i'm in the overweight i'm obese i'm gonna eat whatever i'm not gonna exist my life's over to me no like you should love your body and that should be the big drive to improve it even if you are overweight you can still love yourself you don't have to hate yourself and that should be like the big drive that's pushing you back towards being a healthy person but somehow somewhere along the way that got convoluted or warped into well you're healthy and you love yourself and we can't be having any problems with ourselves we love ourselves so if you love yourself nothing can be wrong with you therefore you're perfect the way you are and then don't work on anything so that's always the issue is that like and that's what's happened with some of these left-leaning narratives is that they start off i guess kind of like the right ones where like the central idea i think is good like if we talk about like blm or we talk about like black issues in the united states there is truth that things like slavery or jim crow [ __ ] with the position of black people today but those those reasons for why people are in the areas they are suddenly become justifications or rationalizations to never improve anything i agree and yeah now the explainer for why you are where you are has become the handicap of the crutch that's preventing you from succeeding and that's the thing that drives me [ __ ] crazy agreed i mean we 100 like we talk about this all the time like the victim mindset is extremely strong in the black communities they continuously complain and cry about laws that don't necessarily affect them right now and then honestly they might they might be not even in a situation where their family wasn't negatively affected by but they will sit there and be like i need reparations or whatever it may be and my thing is like how is it that foreigners come to this country that don't even speak the language don't have an education are able to come here and build a business or make a guess make a you know six figures or whatever may be or rise up the ranks faster that people that are born here raised here having american citizenship and speak the language and have all the opportunities there's people that you know as you guys know um i don't know if you know destiny i was an agent for homeland security investigations and one of the crimes i investigated was human smuggling and i would see people dying trying to come into united states all the time from all different parts of the world you know dying from you know getting left in the in the brush uh in the desert getting uh crammed in vehicles um dying from heat exhaustion i mean in san antonio about a month ago they recovered like 50 aliens that died in the back of a truck so seeing that with my own two eyes seeing dead children dead families etc coming here struggling to try to get a better life i have zero excuse for anyone that make excuses about systemic racism or whatever whether it's black chinese green i don't give a [ __ ] if you're in the united states and you're poor it's your [ __ ] fault it really is because this is the land of opportunity and this is something that so i'll throw on both sides here um it'll piss me off on the left because like if you want to find some of the most anti-immigrant or sometimes racist people in the united states it's going to be from those newer immigrant communities because these are the guys that are coming over they're busting their ass they're working as hard as they can and they'll make excuses for anything they don't but then and then i'll see it on the right where conservatives will will utter this [ __ ] we're like i don't want these lazy [ __ ] mexicans coming to my country but it's like bro are you serious yeah go drive anywhere in the [ __ ] summer and look who's on the roof like putting everything up like look who's out there busting their ass driving getting however the [ __ ] they can do it like some of these people can't even [ __ ] read and they're showing up working like 12 hour days like you can't call these people lazy they're not they work harder than any other [ __ ] that's why they're taking your jobs yeah my old job right i was a tech company as well i had a guy one of my best friends on the team mexican right me him worked overtime we did the most hours in office we started making more than our boss and you know what it was it was drive both immigrants want to be successful hey you know everyone's like you know what let's go get a beer let's go drink let's go party after work we're like bro we need to make money bro like we're not going to be here four years plus you're like you know what we'll get a retirement uh we'll get a pension whenever we'll get like time whatever i'm like bro we're here to make money and be successful so we worked harder than everybody else when we were what were we immigrants so it's like it just depends on your mindset bro yeah i i mean this isn't just a black community this is any community where they're making excuses for where they're it tends to it if people have been here for generations a lot of times they'll just like not value the opportunity that they have living in the united states whereas like people will like [ __ ] try to die to get here you know even people from first world countries try to come here you know how many canadians sneak into the united states to try to get opportunities here or overstay their visas especially here in [ __ ] miami to get opportunities like even people from first world countries that want to be here in the united states so i look at it like if you piss that away man and you're poor no [ __ ] excuse just like fat people if you're broke or you're fat it's always your fault because i know someone that probably has one arm that wishes he could [ __ ] go to the gym and train and i know someone else that's in a third world country that would kill somebody to be able to come in here meanwhile your dumb ass is sitting there whacking off watching porn all day wondering why you're a fat [ __ ] loser you know what it is comfort yeah and convenience honestly so just say i want to know like where do you say real quick on that because sure oh my god and then yeah then you go sorry the um there are the this is this kills me the most being 33 years old when i hear somebody who's 19 or 20 they tell me their life is over and they're hopeless i'm like dude i would give i would those are left-leaning people no there's a lot of people a lot of lost people like bro you're 20 years old you haven't even started to live yet you can do any anything like the whole world's in front of you or when you see people even people that are overweight like if you are a healthy individual if you can get a bed on your own support you don't have a wheelchair you're already in an amazing starting spot you can be a dude that's 511 and you weigh 280 290 300 pounds that starting spot assuming you're healthy no chronic conditions you're still in an amazing place to start you have such an amazing road ahead of you if you just like put in a little bit of work and on the second thing dress is like a self-improvement thing um you have no idea how much time you have in the day you [ __ ] away so much time looking at your phone do whatever you block out just [ __ ] 30 minutes or one hour you could become like a world expert at anything in like one year it could be an instrument it could be [ __ ] gym it could be whatever just 60 minutes a day is an unimaginable amount of time you haven't said any of this on our debates i'm wondering where you draw the line between being complacent and like toxic hustle culture because i've always said like anyone can get rich in like well it's hard for people not everybody has the same circumstances and left-leaning people make a lot of excuses for the reason they they encourage complacency way more than people on the right so i'm wondering where you stand on that okay so you analyze on the very highest level when i'm analyzing things i'm the most progressive [ __ ] in the world um we need to talk about systems we need to talk about like the structures of racism oppression like things that affect wide groups of people because these systems are real they do affect people but if you get me down to an individual and i'm talking one on one to somebody i'm the most like libertarian anarcho person in the world nobody's gonna do [ __ ] for you you're the only one that cares about yourself you need to do whatever the [ __ ] you can't improve your position because nobody else is going to care about you like you do so are you left-selling just because you're a streamer no it's just there's like there's a there's a different level first of all i'm already banned for not being left-leaning enough so nice try okay secondly i've got the perfect story for being a [ __ ] conservative okay lived on my own so i was basically seventeen self-made [ __ ] millionaires and that nobody might family hope for [ __ ] okay so i got a good conservative i wanted to be but no i just think the problem is that get it people on the right won't acknowledge like real issues that exist right people on the right will say some stupid [ __ ] like yeah i think family is really important and you know like my grandpa my great grandpa [ __ ] like you know the contributions they made to my parents that really helped me in life and then they'll turn around and say some [ __ ] like i don't think jim crow matters that was in the 60s it's like bro this family doesn't have a [ __ ] house because they weren't allowed to live in this part of the world saying that right that's fine you don't say that people in the right place i'm not i'm not saying you're not saying it exactly but i'm saying is that there are truths on both sides that have to be um you have to take them together and synergize them to get a good view of the world if you just look at everybody as you haven't accomplished this you're a [ __ ] failure and then you come or you call on the left over here and you say like oh well nothing is your fault you've no responsibility both sides of these they acknowledge the inadequacies yeah yeah i see what he's saying it's not an excuse but you acknowledge it yeah here's what you acknowledge it so that you can overcome it that's the point but like here's something i'll say right a middle-class person and i don't mean to come down on anybody here but like if you were born middle class and you're middle class your whole life you didn't accomplish [ __ ] you showed up to life every day and you did fine you went to school you went to college and you got a job and that's great but those same people that started okay middle class and ended up middle class will look at people that are lower class and these people will stay lower class and they'll look down on them and it's like wait hold on you didn't improve your lot in life at all you stayed the same the whole [ __ ] time why would you look down at a guy you know who's who's making 24k a year who came from a family of people making 24k a year it's not like you're a millionaire now and you had every right to be right because if you were born middle class in america in the united states of america the [ __ ] world is at your fingertips right there are people that are 14 becoming youtube stars there are people that are learning computer programming all sorts of [ __ ] right you showed up every day and you're going to make fun of the guy beneath you who didn't have half the opportunities you did that's the issue that i have okay when i talk about this that's a disagreement with the conservatives but what's your overall disagreement with the rebel space because the only thing you brought up was the materialism and we kind of you know showed that i think it's the materialism and i think it's the the hyper fixation on the individual sometimes without acknowledging that like yeah there are structures that like [ __ ] with people that are going to make it harder um and i think there's a fine line to balance that not all red people are as bad as all other red pill people like i've seen some that are okay assuming meyer and your positions are as you say there i'll probably agree with you on quite a bit but then there are other people that are true yeah i remember i grabbed a 40 000 car that i like and i don't want to buy it anymore yeah and i you know i i got the i brought my car back because i had it in college i drove it across the country when i was an agent i drove her from connecticut to georgia from georgia to texas and back to florida and it keeps me grounded vermont has good memories and i will never get rid of it and you know yeah i mean my thing is like i'm really big into real estate take all my own income and dump it into that so that's what like makes me happy like building like kind of a like an empire real estate empire so for me it's like not really the materialism it's just that i'm accruing money so that i can help my family in times of need like we had some stuff going on i pay all my parents bills and take care of them as well so or a majority of their main bills but um i think that's the most important thing and that goes back to what you were saying as far as like experiences and being able to help the people that you love versus like i'm just gonna spend my money like a [ __ ] on stupid [ __ ] but if that makes you happy right i it is what it is i think a lot of people at some point once they buy enough materialistic things they start to get tired of it yeah and it'll help them at least realize okay this is not what i wanted and then that might drive them to go ahead and formulate those relationships or create those experiences or maybe that materialistic stuff help them create an experience everyone is different but i'm a firm believer that um money does not buy happiness but it really is a good down payment i think we're pushing more so than anything else to freedom because freedom means for example with the power to make change if i just say i might that's all day right i do my job i'm the same i could talk about change like i want change i can't really do much if i have money now i can actually make a change either in my life or other people's lives we're just saying look if you're going to be on this earth at least have the capability to make a change but if if money i mean it's like um money's not everything but not having it is right yeah if you're broke as [ __ ] only thing yeah and it's hard to flip the switch on this because when because i i was a carpet cleaner before i got into streaming and my life was falling apart falling behind my house payments uh girlfriend was pregnant everything and my got fired from my casino job working as a carpet cleaner and everything is [ __ ] and in that position here [ __ ] you kidding um hearing people say [ __ ] like oh money isn't everything money's like [ __ ] money would solve like 80 of my problems okay [ __ ] you all right money is everything when you don't have it yeah and i empathize with that position but something that you don't learn it until you're on the other side is there are a lot of and you guys should see this if you're in this uh i'll say this medium yeah right there are a lot of people with a lot of money that are [ __ ] miserable yeah and that's what grile decisions i would have thought that was impossible and i know so many influences so much talent so many instagram girls like damn dude you must be doing crazy [ __ ] [ __ ] like mad like you got to have the best life and they're [ __ ] miserable a lot of these people aren't even [ __ ] as much as you think they want to be hold on i'm like are you serious yeah go on the other end i know many people with money that are very happy and successful they're probably together so it's all about the mindset because for example right dude you know what makes me really happy being with this is being able to say you know what my mom is retired in our own house in her own car that for me makes me happy so after that buying cars wasn't super shape that's cause i want to but having that capability to do that made me super happy for this saying look at any day your freedom to do whatever you want and people are happy regardless it's a mindset i can be poor happy aren't you happy it's a mindset so you've got a choice to make would you be poor happy or a choppy maybe we're shopping all the time that's all i'm saying yeah i can agree i think so i like it's i i would say that the comparison might be like fighting right you're probably not going to be a good fighter if you don't spend any time in the gym but going to the gym all [ __ ] day is gonna make you a good fighter right there it's two totally separate things you have to work on so like getting your money up making yourself a better person that's that's good i just feel like i don't hear people talk about the other side of like maybe you guys do and i just missed it because i don't watch i don't watch much of anything talks and then you would yeah maybe yeah yeah people just don't talk about that building the life fulfillment part as much it just feels like it's always the focus that's why we're so big on like having a purpose and like um creating something you know i think i think with men if you you know depression really hits and you get sad when you're not like building towards something and building something i remember when i was on the job with law enforcement um one of the biggest ways that guys die besides like getting shot at for being complacent was after they retired from the job it's a very stressful job but it keeps you on your toes et cetera they don't have anything to look for anymore and a lot of times they die a few years after retiring and that i think that kind of plays into the man's innate need to be able to create something or having some kind of purpose and that's why i'm so big on not chasing girls because it's a fleeting purpose it's you're never going to feel accomplished doing it versus if you can you know create a dent and change someone's life or help people out or create value to the world that's going to be way more fulfilling than the [ __ ] come after that yeah so i will say i gotta commend destiny you are definitely more open-minded than i thought yeah i mean i've been through i've done a lot of stuff i've seen a lot of signs of a lot of things so yeah um well i already knew because i watched this content before i was prepared i already knew it was working at grandma's style party sneaker we talked about um your daughter um but yeah we'll come out tonight i didn't talk about that no no the question was brought up oh would you let your daughter date somebody yeah i mean dying what did i answer about that i said yeah would you i don't want to be anyone answering that question we answered it remember yes yeah better than having a weak man i'd rather have like a strong man who could provide i think the long pause was the issue i should answer quicker i mean if you are no the pause is good it shows thoughtfulness reflectfulness that's good don't listen to these [ __ ] songs you're stupid you're stupid you don't want to be the butt okay you're thinking not the answer all right we'll read this real quick mary goes nico uh saludos did mexico did you get uh threats after exposing idiots from twitter after you made clear about your makeup i'm not mexican and yes i did damn fresh the bbc apologies for being late fellas had to bust uh one on this super thick latina shorty we've been lucky that we hear right now shorty cheeks was moving but glad we could make it fresh make it quick though i'm trying to get busy again just snicker bro she was not latina guys uh european uh 50 bucks from alvin said are you ratting on him what the [ __ ] bro yo dawg allegedly and she's annoying as [ __ ] but anyways he's tight that you're late man you want to get on your ass right now no man bro blacks complain about blackface but in 2004 the wayans brothers did white face in the movie white chicks okay uh jason frederickson this one goes for all the men out there spartans and that's uh ars i think that's argentinian right it's 100 bucks yeah i think that's 100 bucks man yeah thank you so much my friend chris you got to hit the dynamite friend um you back there yeah i'm dealing with the girls right now all right maverick s uh destiny is right because the world right now has become uh has becoming mega beta feminize the point that being masculine like andrew t is no longer needed for modern men can't for the giant meteor to come can't wait for the job here to come in asteroid yeah um and then we got 50 bucks from j diwali i see destiny is criticizing based on viral clips instead of watching entire interviews because his message is the same that martin has stated he talks about becoming a better person and her life is best when you have a woman that cares for you yeah he does talk about women i will say the long-form content i've seen is him debating i've got kind of a friend called xqc and that's those are the long-form conversations scene with them i haven't seen too much else besides that just what are all your thoughts on that uh that conversation um that xqc uh performed not too well hey listen he's from quebec okay that's how they talk about it yeah um if you all had a flat fee for advertisement on your channel what would it be um [Music] i haven't haven't dmu i get too many bro all right damn unplug it on instagram uh and just type in promo in all caps and i'll and i'll answer you uh i'm not gonna lie to you bro it's not gonna be cheap it's not gonna be cheap at all so um if someone's got 50 bucks destiny who's at fault for the destruction of a two-parent household in today's society the right or the left that's actually the question uh that's complicated as [ __ ] okay so it seems like and there's a ton of writing ton of research nothing's going on on this but it seems like right now there's like two big issues at play um one that you guys would probably like to hear is women given the opportunity to pursue education and careers will put off having a family a little bit more because who wants to stop their life at 21 to like have a kid that's a big thing and the second thing is people are having harder times getting the economic freedom getting your money up um to move out and have their own house because everybody wants to live in these like huge cities are getting more expensive and nobody wants to start a family when you're living in the basement with your mom and dad so yeah i think those are like the two big things i don't know which one is a bigger factor everybody argues back and forth on it but when people have the money to like move out it seems like they're more likely living their own place to start families and both of those things are playing a big factor in right now yeah i mean yeah there's there's many yeah it's a multivariate um issue you know you got you got feminism you got birth control you got um you know the feminization of men while the simultaneously the masculinization of women um you know putting off uh the women chasing education you know women dominate college campuses nowadays and women are starting to out earn money in a lot of cities and college campuses yeah and they're starting outward men in a lot of cities as well i predict in the next 10 or 15 years women are going to start earning men pretty much all across the united states yeah um on average but not the extremes yeah yes on average on average um you know men are still going to probably the highest earning people are you know just like with everything in life like women tend to you know congregate in average they tend to be better than most most guys but the best but the best and the worst are almost always men on the bell curve right so the smartest people are men than the dumbest people are also men but when it comes to like average you take average chicken average dude that woman is more than likely going to be smarter than him to somebody like my boss babe's out there yeah so um but yeah i think it's a yeah it's a multivariate thing so you so you would okay all right cool um yeah i mean we agreed uh zantians destiny missed the fact that 80 of men are sexually invisible to most women coupled with high likelihood of coming from a single mother home men have minimal reasons to improve the rp is a stark message amiss male subversion and stop the self-deletion rates uh thank you so much for that [Music] um yeah please go ahead so i think here's one of the issues that i have with again [ __ ] people on the left around i sound like a [ __ ] centrist but um the issue i think is a lot of stuff has changed in the world with regards to technology okay and i think everybody in the left wants to blame like the patriarchy and racism and then people on the right want to blame feminization of men or feminism or whatever but i think that a lot of our lives have fundamentally changed in ways that people aren't even aware of in an incredibly short amount of time um when i was in school uh and facebook came out originally there were like four things on facebook it was like dming it was uh checking in for like group events yeah you know like posting your [ __ ] wall yep um yeah um back then online [ __ ] only existed to augment your real life yes the reason why you got social media because it helps you connect with friends more because back then like a lot of us weren't using cell phones as much yet it wasn't a requirement to [ __ ] text everybody yeah like yeah and and people use these things to make their real life better but at some point past 15 years in real life it became real life i don't use facebook or discord to connect with real-life friends i use facebook and just work to get friends and that's that's not the same thing there is something that is fundamentally lost in human interaction when you are living and i said to somebody that [ __ ] lives in front of two or four hours a day but i still understand the importance of like face-to-face interaction right like seeing you in person seeing you guys in person doing there's a reason why you do this podcast in person you don't do it on a [ __ ] zoom screen right it's a totally different experience yeah and and people are losing that and it's getting more and more extreme but because it plays into these like really bad i would say evolutionary traps that make us feel good we keep pursuing it even more a really good example of this a lot of people get triggered when i say this i think work from home is probably a really bad idea because for a lot of people the only face-to-face interaction they might get it today is like saying hi to the barista at starbucks or seeing their co-workers and now you've got i'm sure there are some people that like they don't have to commute they work out more they say they're like that's great but you got a lot of [ __ ] now that haven't left their front door in 12 [ __ ] months except to pick up like a door dash or an uber eating is that you um no i get out i'm [ __ ] here right now at the moment i stream a lot but you work on my instagram okay i travel all over the [ __ ] world i got friends everywhere i got people i see okay i do [ __ ] okay because he's on the side yeah i'm okay i'm a bit of a nerd but i do get outside i see the value of it um but yeah like that that being locked in your room like doing your work on your computer screen you like you wake up you're [ __ ] working then you get off and you play [ __ ] league of legends and then you talk people on discord and then you go to sleep and you repeat that for 365 days that has to rot the [ __ ] mind more than feminism more than patriarchy more than anything else that atomization where you are like this individual entity like robot living in a [ __ ] room and not interacting with anybody is going to do horrible things to who you are i agree i used to work in tech as well and we had a kind of social network regarding work because we had like a ping pong table we had like you know a coffee table as well we have a game room a tv a movie room like that you know you have to be social in our environment and then covert happened and you have to go home to work and it's like bro you're in your home eight hours a day doing nothing it's like bro like you you start to go crazy honestly it's it's it's like and we've convinced everything is so convenient i can order groceries i can order anything on [ __ ] amazon wait in line anywhere i can deposit checks on my [ __ ] phone with my wells fargo app like i don't have to see anybody ever if i don't want to you know i didn't go outside after work i felt like i was like being like i don't know dumbed down it was weird so i would say this with with um because you made some fantastic points as far as like um the internet changing the world and people are on the internet now to make friends versus augmenting their experiences with their in real life friends and i'm i'm 32 so i'm right there with you i remember myspace i remember facebook i remember these apps uh were used to kind of enhance your situation versus like you need it for a situation nowadays my only thing is is that technology has it's hurt men and benefited women and what i mean by this is that a guy right like men typically have to be the ones to approach they have to be the one to engage in interactions with the opposite gender when i'm talking about the process of courting um and with girls you know they're able to get that attention from men they're able to get opportunities given to them and what it's basically done is you know changed the dating landscape significantly you know you had a girl that you know 15 20 years ago right she had to go outside to meet a guy or a guy had to approach her to starbucks or whatever it may be now with the advent of instagram the advent of online dating apps um and all these modern conveniences women get more opportunities now than ever before so what happens is like from what zentiens are saying is that a majority of men now aren't even considered as suitable candidates and uh yeah there's okay so okay sure i'm going to come over here to the ultra red pill site from and i'll explain i knew it what's happening here okay here's what's happened women and i love this okay you were complaining about [ __ ] boss girls or whatever girl boss i love girl boss i love this type of woman okay i do but what's happened is is women have stepped into more and more traditionally masculine roles they're earning more money they're handling their [ __ ] they're stable there's more to them than just looking pretty this is what women have done but men are not allowed to step in traditionally feminine roles so all of these women who you know up until [ __ ] 1970 1980 maybe like basically just to show up and they're okay find a husband and you're decent right yeah now they've taken the masculine role of like hold on i got a career i'm working i'm smart i need to handle my [ __ ] okay cool well can i just like be somebody like take care of the household like let me like cook and clean [ __ ] [ __ ] no you're a [ __ ] loser wait hold on but that's what you did 40 years ago because 40 years ago when men were being men you guys were allowed to like do the feminine rules of like cleaning house and doing all that [ __ ] and that's all you really did you didn't really bring much to the table because it's like controlling a household but now that women have stepped into the masking world they're looking all these men and you know studies show this women are earning more and more and more and more but they still won't date down so economically they still won't date a poor guy it's like well hold on and i remember watching a tommy lauren video conservative she's like where are all the good men at like well a lot of men have kind of become like what the old housewives used to be they don't really bring much to the table they could probably run a household but that's it but that's not enough for the women that have now like masculinized themselves and i was actually gonna well you took the words out of my mouth i was gonna say because it's a two-part it's a compounding issue not only do they have more options but now they're also earning more money so what's going on now is that women are making more money they have more options than men so why the hell are they going to go ahead and look at a guy that makes 40 50k per year five foot eight average man the average man is invisible to a lot of women a matter of fact you know we've interviewed now almost 1500 women when we tell women the average guy in the united states is about five foot eight five foot nine making somewhere between 37 000 to 52 k per year in the united states depending on what state they're in they all go oh what are you talking about ill and that's the world that we're in now because women's taste in men has one up also with instagram they're able to see what's out there yeah um kevin samuel's world where you've got a woman calling in he's like i'm 33 i've got two kids i want a guy earning 120k a year and it's like what the [ __ ] are you talking about like what illusion we have a female delusion calculator that we use and it's hilarious because so many women almost always either score four out of four five out of five cat bags because it's a little cat-back score that we use and most women are looking for the same archetype of guys much of these women say i'm different and i'm not the same like these other girls they're attracted to the same goddamn things so um they've become the man that they want and going back to what you were saying a fantastic point as far as like um women making more money and not conceding and wanting a guy that's more feminine the thing is this i've always said it men are expected to be masculine all the time while women can pick and choose when they want to be ladies so if they want to go ahead and enter the workforce and be masculine we're supposed to accept that if they want to be a lady we're supposed to accept that we're supposed to augment whatever they want however they will not tolerate us switching our roles so if a guy was to say you know what i'll stay at home with the kids or whatever it may be that might work a little bit but we know a big predicator on women divorcing a man actually is her earning more money than that guy and uh women typically want a guy that makes about 50 to 58 more money than she does so and a lot of girls because people get mad oh myron you just bring stupid girls on the show that don't understand anything blah blah blah i would argue the more educated and the more money a woman makes the more high programming she is and the more she's she's less willing to tolerate right that's not financially um together i will say um i'll now come back to the loophole one other thing that factors into this a bit too yeah um is i think when you look at studies i think it's like 30 i want to say like 38 or 37 of women are okay being single they'll like remove themselves from data marks be okay and i think on the man's side it's like in the low twenties how old were they going i don't know what the age range was but i think in general it's a trend that women are usually more okay being single than men are i don't mean [ __ ] i mean just like being in a relationship they like being single so maybe they're [ __ ] whatever they're not in relationships and i think one of the reasons why that happens and this is where i will attack a lot of like the hyper-masculine stuff that red pill cell is men are horrible [ __ ] friends to each other when you listen to two women talk like she might go through some [ __ ] and she's like man i got this going on this is how i feel about this and they're talking to each other and bouncing their feelings up they have like these they have they have these really rich and fulfilling friendships with each other women yes they do treggy they do because when you listen to when you listen to two men talk to each other okay this guy might this [ __ ] might be ready to kill himself and he's like john what's up he's like nothing much man how are you doing yeah you know and then like like it's like what the [ __ ] is happening guys suck at talking to each other we do it like the emotional connection that we have with each other absolutely [ __ ] abysmal women each other they might say it but here's another thing too and it's one of the reasons why men outside of relationships are so miserable if you are a man and you find a woman oftentimes this is going to be the first person you can actually connect with on an emotional level in your entire [ __ ] life because you don't connect like that with your bros you don't connect like that with guys who have conversations it usually takes a woman and a man's life to do it but for a woman she doesn't need a man for that emotional connection she can get a lot of emotional connections from her friend group i think that's a misconception of like the liberal world that we live in i think it's as soon as you show a woman weakness she might like give you empathy in the moment but she remembers that and she logs into your brain at the moment that you're [ __ ] and it'll come up she'll come up later because women aren't strong women use information to lash at you here so this is how i view this and i hear this a lot that if you show vulnerability to a woman it's bad in my world view vulnerability is something that you have to earn if you're a guy and you're a baby [ __ ] and you're crying and all this [ __ ] all the [ __ ] time yeah people are going to look at you like you're weak and then those guys will go online they're like i was one with my woman she left me well because all you are is vulnerable but if you're a strong stable person you got your [ __ ] together right and like your [ __ ] mom dies or some [ __ ] and you have a huff you know rough day you're crying or whatever it's [ __ ] it happens it's a shitty day i think she'll respect you for that for being able to connect to with her on that level and you go back to normal you're not like destroyed you're not crying all the time you think that women are better friends than men i think that women are better friends to men than men are to men absolutely but not to each other because women will end a friendship over a birthday dinner where someone's late and i mean you say that but like there's a reason why the saying grows before hoes exists and it's because men don't put bro's there are men that will disappear when they find a girl they're gone from their friend group for [ __ ] ever everybody's got at least one friend who where the [ __ ] is you know johnny been oh we found another girl we're not gonna say that dude for six months like men disappear from their friend groups of [ __ ] all the time over dumb reasons like it happens like everybody has problems understand that in general for the vulnerability thing you can be vulnerable but it's a it's a moment you have to earn right it's like that saying that like you know not to be sexist like you know mom cries all the time whatever but when dad cries some serious [ __ ] has happened but you don't lose respect for your dad you just know that like if he's that emotionally affected there's some gravity to that situation if you are upset and you are a strong stable man and you sold that to your woman you are that then like you can be vulnerable but it has to be like an assist situated a lot of gravity i think what's the first thing a woman brings up in an argument and a heated argument where she needs some ammunition that has nothing super depends on what you're fighting about you they bring up the weakest thing to hit you i mean it depends on what you're i mean god says [ __ ] to women too you're fat i don't like you [ __ ] like i [ __ ] your sister i don't know mental state crazy everybody says crazy [ __ ] arguments i'll say this i i mean this is like a you know very an anecdotal conversation but as far as like you know who lasts longer in friendships uh from my experience and what i've seen um i've seen that men tend to hold friendships longer than women do um because with men we're very simple creatures and we kind of understand like i'm still friends with the guys that i went to high school with we have the same interest we you know reconnect on nostalgia watching dragon ball z or whatever it may be because guys uh you know you could be 15 years old watching goku [ __ ] charge up for a spirit bomb then you can be [ __ ] 35 years old watching the shame [ __ ] same [ __ ] 20 years later with women they change a lot and as they change they change what their friends group as well and the thing with women i've always used this this funny example that when guys meet each other they say oh you piece of [ __ ] what's up man yeah [ __ ] you yeah you're a piece of [ __ ] i hate you okay you're a loser that's why you know you get no [ __ ] blah blah that guy will walk away and then they'll say yo that's a [ __ ] good dude i love that guy but with women women will walk up and say oh girl i love your dress oh you look fantastic beautiful you lose weight oh my god and then as soon as she walks away she's a [ __ ] [ __ ] ugly [ __ ] like with women it's they're not over in their communication which you you were kind of like alluding to like when the guy's going through it like his buddies aren't gonna sit there and be like oh it's okay bro they're like hi you [ __ ] [ __ ] hahaha and i think that kind of comes where it's kind of on you as a man you're responsible for your friend group which is why you gotta surround yourself with winners and guys that kind of understand and my thing also as far as like being vulnerable i get what you're saying vulnerability is earned if you're crying all the time and saying oh my god i don't know how i'm going to deal with this but versus a guy that has a [ __ ] together and then you know a tear drops because his mom dies well that's understandable i get it however we tell guys if you're going to be vulnerable you're going to cry you're going to be saturday you're going through some [ __ ] you're better off sharing that with your guy friends because the guys aren't going to use it against you later on in arguments and it's not going to it's not like your guys are going to like lose arousal for you lose attraction for you with a woman it's a toss-up some girls respond very favorably to extremely strong guys that are stoic some girls like it but my thing is this and there's studies that show this as well women don't really know what they're aroused by they know what they're attracted to allegedly but they don't really know what they're aroused by okay and um and i can go into that so if you want me to but i would say this if you have someone right that doesn't even know what they're aroused by why would you open up pandora's box and cry in front of her not knowing how it may affect her psyche and attraction for you down the road yeah i mean that's it's part of the i mean it's part of the game of figuring out relationships i i agree like yeah i mean there are tons of horror stories like of like um [ __ ] i don't want to get one more thing too let's go um as you come up with that horror story like we've had girls on the show where they'll say like i thought i wanted a vulnerable guy and i watched my boyfriend cry in front of me and it made me change my view of him forever and she like just like lost respect for him so like like girls a lot of the times don't know how they feel about something or how they're aroused by something or how they might even lose attraction or something until they actually experience it and at that point it may be too late so i look at it like this if it's something that's risky right where you have a 50 50 chance of it might help you or it might hurt you i say mitigate the risk cry from your friends show that vulnerability to them be that hard rock for your girl because i know for a fact that's going to keep you attractive now can you open up and be vulnerable and potentially she might you know engage with you and it's going oh my god i love that you were vulnerable i mean that's possible but is it probable yeah i like to mitigate risk it would depend on the relationship for sure yeah and the types of people you go after the type of person you are you know would hopefully weigh that i hope that when it comes to relationship you're not like flipping coins in terms of like [ __ ] if i do this i might be [ __ ] um so like yeah i mean like all things in life you have to weigh the risks of course i know the type of person i am i know who i sell myself as uh and i know how people perceive me like if i have moments of vulnerability with a woman i've never had in my life where they thought i'm a weak person because that's not who i am and i live my values and everything in every single facet of my life yeah so that's maybe i'll get a lucky one day maybe oh [ __ ] we'll be [ __ ] up you know you hear a lot of stories and we give this advice generally for guys yeah sure generally sure for guys and you'll hear horror stories where um to your point especially about the arousal thing like oh like we try to threesome or you know my husband wanted me to try pegging whatever and then they do it one time like i can never see him the same again i was like damn why the [ __ ] did you even agree to do that what the [ __ ] that definitely happened so yeah you have to be careful things i will say one thing one comment or whatever on the friend on the guy friend thing i don't know if it counts because you mentioned that like you mentioned guys will hold on to friendships longer that is true yeah but i think the guy definition of friendship is a little different because there are people that i know right now that i haven't talked to in like [ __ ] five or ten [ __ ] years and i can mention i'm like bro what's up we should play some [ __ ] you know squad or we should play [ __ ] cs going like oh yeah let's do it it's like yeah that's my friend but then other people are like you've been talking about the [ __ ] for 10 years how the [ __ ] is it a friend so i feel like the standards for friendships are a little bit different but you see your point like yeah we can probably hold on for friendships longer but i think to my point that's because the level of emotional depth sometimes is so much like more shallow that is like yeah of course that's my that dude's my best friend like we used to play games all the time back in like 2008 but would you prefer someone you could hit up two years later and say you know what bro what's good i pick up like you never left off or someone that's like playing a game with you like back and forth like you know what you're cool today it's not cool tomorrow i prefer somebody i could call two years later yo bro how you been oh good bro let's chop it up and it's funny because yeah on our show right we've been really like what 400 plus women yeah on the show almost finished we asked number one table we're like who do you prefer as friends men or women and you know what's funny nine out of 10 times what do they say men girls even themselves they don't want to be friends with because they know their catty they back talk they're very like drama driven so we're just saying look as a guy for you and even you know being vulnerable if you're with a girl right let's say for example she's not sure what she wants and you have a chance of turning her off by being vulnerable why'd you do that to yourself that that's that's your girlfriend but let's say you cry and find her you kind of like mess it whatever and say you know what damn i thought he was strong or somebody say you know what damn you know what i like that but you never know you're taking like a huge risk yeah i mean it's part i mean everything in a really in a real relationship there's a lot of moments of risk right things could get fulfilled well i mean because you might want that deeper connection with your partner you might want to not want to feel like you have to be on guard right like maybe maybe you should never had her right like if i have i'm an emotionally stable person i have my [ __ ] together better than most other people i've ever met if i show one moment of vulnerability to my partner and she leaves me [ __ ] that [ __ ] i'll find somebody else like you're not going to find anybody like me i know you're not so if you think you can do better then you're free to go out of the world if i'm giving you information i think it's about using it against you when it comes to well everybody uses everything let's not talk about us in particular remember that like when we dispense this advice we're saying in general it's not a good idea or a good practice for guys to be vulnerable for their girl because we know that a lot of girls are not going to respond favorably to emotional men so i'll meet you let me know this way like generally no no you don't know don't do it yeah i'll meet you there oh yeah yeah if you don't know don't do it also to that um not to be sexist but hearing a bunch of girls say i'd rather have guy friends yeah no [ __ ] [ __ ] you want people that are trying to [ __ ] you constantly that you have like on a [ __ ] string yeah of course you but that's not because their guys are better friends that's because they they like the attention okay that's a different thing but i don't know what to say that yeah that's a good point but that's but that's a component like that's that's a component where like like girls enjoy that because because they get so many benefits like i've always said it like as a guy you get no benefits from being a platonic friend with a woman versus like when a woman is a platonic friend with you she gets a lot of benefits she gets that mask on energy she gets her security she has someone that's not gonna necessarily judge her that she doesn't have to compete with she could look like a [ __ ] scrub and be okay versus when she meets up with her girlfriend she's gotta dress up well and have that silent battle of of uh being attractive so women are able to how do i say this they can be mediocre from a look standpoint or be mediocre as far as like being engaging or anything like that but they're around guys so guys don't give a [ __ ] you know i mean a lot of guys will be happy just to be around a girl especially if she's attractive which is why if you look at like a lot of attractive women they almost always have male you know orbiters that just hang around and will be happy to be around her and i think as a guy you're selling yourself sure i always my analogy is like um a girl putting you in the friend zone is like you putting a girl in the sex only zone if you hit some girls yeah like you hit her up at 2 am hey come over and have sex and then as soon as y'all [ __ ] you tell all right get the [ __ ] out of here she will feel used she'll be like what the [ __ ] and even girls like are like when a girl's like a smash buddy with a guy for some degree she's gonna tolerate for a while she's like you know i'm just giving this guy sex for nothing [ __ ] that [ __ ] but guys are so dumb they'll sit there in the friend zone for decades and give away free attention and get used and not even understand their value we had a girl come in the studio right actually uh you know her very well and she had a guy for 20 years as a guy friend right and we say no let's do a test give him a phone call see her horny where are you at so she calls the guy hey love i'm horny where you at he's like are you good are you drunk she's like yeah i just want to be with you like you know we've been friends for so long they feel like you're the right one whatever the car door closes already driving over here he's like where the [ __ ] you at he pulls up to the studio live on air and comes up here yeah he would have [ __ ] her if he weren't here yeah he was like 20 years of waiting for one day you know maybe one day the most annoying part about that is that it is it is so socially acceptable to talk about power dynamics and relationships when they benefit the man nobody talks about them when they benefit the women that really [ __ ] bothers me like everybody will talk about the um everybody will talk about the [ __ ] zone right oh you're you oh you know that girl wants to date you and here you are just having sex with me that's manipulative you're a piece of [ __ ] and then it's like oh okay well you've got this guy that you've got giving you like wake-up calls on saturday sunday morning that you wouldn't touch with a 10-foot [ __ ] pole okay and this guy like walks your dog you know forward like how are you not abusing the [ __ ] out of this dude if anything at the very least [ __ ] zone girls are just getting [ __ ] physically this guy's soul is getting [ __ ] by you okay you are rotting this man from the inside out let him go okay free this poor man from his like servitude because holy [ __ ] you will you man i i i did that in high school i used to know like [ __ ] when i was like 14 15 over a girl and i see people do this behavior throughout their whole life where it's like you've got this [ __ ] on a string dude like let him fly away isn't that exactly what's happening to all men today because of social media because of instagram and only fans that's a really big generalization it's the same type of dynamic guys following girls that are never going to follow him back guys subscribing and paying all this money to women online that don't even give a [ __ ] about sure but i mean that is so sad girls do it too there's a lot of girls that hop in my dms or whatever and it's like yeah i'll [ __ ] but i'm not [ __ ] dating you yeah right so i mean it will happen on the same little famous girl these are average girls doing this sure but i'm saying like those girls aren't just looking for sex when they're damning you they want something more if they can get it they want to be that girl that's like dating [ __ ] cinco or yeah but they're not getting miserable over that they're just going to the next guy i can't [ __ ] listen there's it happens okay girls will stalk guys and get [ __ ] crazy over the take away i think the takeaway here is that the the percentage of women that are manipulating guys and stringing them along is far greater than the men that are that even have a capability of course to string a woman along so like the thing is is that like the like female manipulation is 100 accepted and a matter of fact i'll say encouraged in today's society women finessing guys but it is not accepted on the other end if a guy is able to have sex with a bunch of girls and be a playboy or whatever he's almost always going to be demonized for that but if a woman plays guys etc it's it's encouraged i mean we have sugar daddy like um we have a sugar daddy kosher openly where women say yeah uh this guy just pays my bills or whatever and i may or may not [ __ ] on whatever it may be but could you imagine if a guy went on there and said yeah i'm i'm smashing these girls but i'm not going to commit to any of them because they're all dumb hoes like you know like it'll never work so yeah and i like female manipulation is accepted and encouraged it's really [ __ ] up to say and i i know it bothers some people but like i think that bill clinton [ __ ] monica lewinsky were getting blown back that was wrong he should have done it he was in a position of power over her in terms of employment but you can't tell me that this woman didn't have any power over the strongest [ __ ] man in the world the most important position in the world he was able to compromise that office because of a [ __ ] woman you can't tell me that she doesn't have some power there that's unreal but nobody will ever acknowledge that end of the situation right or these esports players that'll go after these [ __ ] like 17 year old girls or whatever when they're like 21 or people that are like cheating they're sitting around is like yeah like these guys are in position probably shouldn't do it but you can't tell me there's no power there because these guys are risking a lot to do this stupid [ __ ] they're risking their whole [ __ ] life how like even [ __ ] arnold schwarzenegger is [ __ ] his uh he's made our [ __ ] bed you can't tell me there's no power there that is power okay and not only that it's it's it's um we we demonize the men that like have sex with these girls but we like don't put any accountability on the girls for like wanting a guy that's higher status themselves like let's keep it a thousand the reason why a lot of those girls [ __ ] harvey weinstein or the girls that [ __ ] um you know that arnold schwarzenegger the reason that girl sucked bill clinton's dick back then in the 90s is because women love a man that is superior to them it's it's it's in their biology so it's like we don't hold women accountable for their carnal needs from the opposite gender but we hold men accountable for and i look at it like are they not too consenting adults sure like what's going on here like why are we not why do we not roast them for that stupidity as well there has to be like the conversation has to involve all the parties involved like you can't just attack one end because you're missing half the story and then that's where the bread pill or the jordan peter's going anybody else could come in like well if you're gonna tell the other half this [ __ ] is you can't be mad when people follow them because you're not just you're not acknowledging what's actually going on of course nobody's listening to what you're saying as much as we make fun of bill cosby right like they he had a chick right that literally like was able to file charges on him and this [ __ ] was buying him christmas presents like what the hell is going on here man like uh you know the the metoo era is like kind of stepped into a point where it's like come on dude oh like i get it you guys want to say believe all women which is ridiculous in itself because that assumes that women never lie which they definitely do uh they wear makeup but that's a whole other story but you're not i thought feminism was about equality if we're going to treat both parties equal then we need to give both parties a fair shot as to hearing both sides of the story and it's innocent until proven guilty but in today's day and age you're guilty until proven innocent especially if some accusation comes out it's equal only on their side bro yeah which is which is why it's so sad harvey started a lot of careers destiny on a scale of one to ten how important is freedom to you and why and then please correlate your answer to why you consider yourself part of the left um this is a hard one i don't know how much you want to grab into this but i don't think freedom is very important to many people at all i think people like the idea of freedom but um there's an interesting book there's around this called the paradox of choice but the reality is when you actually put more choices in front of people they actually get more stressed out about picking the wrong thing yes they did that ice cream yeah yeah with ice cream ice cream flavors you can even feel that like if you go to a restaurant and they give you a menu with like 50 things that's some stressful [ __ ] like [ __ ] i don't ever want that whereas you get like three items whenever you pick it i think that i think that people want roughly people want to be able to pursue the things that make them happy that doesn't always mean you need to be able to choose between 500 things sometimes it does but not usually i think people just want to be able to carve out paths in their life in ways that make them happy you don't need the freedom to be able to choose you know from 20 million different households you need the free to be able to choose like the job that you want or like to be able to have a family or to raise kids or or that type of thing so i don't think that having a ton of freedom is necessarily the most important thing but you at least have to feel like you have the freedom to make the choices you want that's a good point uh elliot goes 200 bucks i agree with the libertarian white gentleman there is a lack of drive and victim mentality in the black community however another issue in the black community unlike the hispanic asian and white community is we don't have uh don't pass assets to our children this is how wealth is passed down that's true but that's once again our fault yeah let's be honest bro um in the black community they're more concerned with buying [ __ ] jordans and you know buying a bunch of stupid [ __ ] driving mercedes-benz and having louis vuitton bags and having rolexes and also other [ __ ] versus buying assets and that's kind of true but like i remember like you had like the whole tulsa race riots you had like the largest wealthiest black meaning in the entire united states that was burned to the ground um and then and then up through jim crow like if you were black and you wanted to buy houses in certain areas yeah you could literally do it yeah which is and again not to make excuses because today is today and you can't go to the past and change anything you have to work as hard as you can today but man when you got it just it pisses me off and you get some of these white [ __ ] that have had houses that have been in their families for [ __ ] generations looking at people whose grandparents couldn't go to non-segregated schools saying some [ __ ] like well why aren't you doing better like well where is your house like [ __ ] your house was built before my family could even legally live here okay like what the [ __ ] is that that thing i get it like that's acknowledging you know a handicap but you know at the end of that we got to have some accountability as well like a lot of these people in these communities and this is just a black community this is like if you look at any inner city like lower socioeconomic area a lot of the times they spend all their money on dumb ass liabilities and not assets and a simple thing people do well i don't want to say white people do they do live life insurance so whenever father possibly or grandfather possibly guess what happens when they die somebody transferred to the next family next generation so it's like bro they're constantly thinking about how can i pass on my legacy to next generation a lot of the time it it's said and it's true that in a way being poor is a mindset as [ __ ] as that is like there are when you're poor you make decisions that are that can make you poor you know in new york there's a lot of free money given out of the pandemic the stemi check all the unemployment checks that [ __ ] all went to rental cars and ameries if you work anywhere in traditional markets the saddest time of the year the saddest time of the year is in [ __ ] april because that's when the tax refunds come and you see how much people throw away oh yeah dumb as [ __ ] upset when everybody's getting tv everybody's buying huge dinners yeah i'm like damn guys really am yeah um that free money is not free uh lord snead goes is the reason that destiny is anti-rp because he says that there is nothing wrong with incest and lets his girlfriend whom you financially support sleep with other men that was damn okay some big philosophical arguments i am an open relationship i have an official that's what i do so you let your your girl get uh six foot four nba players yeah or nfl players yeah it's okay i mean everyone has their uh lifestyle yes love from morocco north africa great content guys no offense to the guests but he's ideas are based on emotion true i don't think so i don't i mean i think he's talking about an overall maybe because right now it's been pretty i like he looks at both sides that's pretty cool uh okay maverick s i noticed that destiny mixed up beta males and alpha males as the same character traits uh especially when you mention about open up feelings i think there's like a bad idea that in order to be a man you have to like disregard like femininity and masculinity should be balanced in every person right like even in your hormones like men produce some estrogen women produce some testosterone like like it's part of you that you should be able to as a strong man have some feminine traits or as a strong woman have some masculine traits like i think it's good to be balanced i think when you shut off those things completely because you think that like being a man means you have to be the most extreme unemotional person ever that's how you get people coming back from like [ __ ] vietnam or iraq that are like ptsd of the [ __ ] brains they feel like they can't open up or talk to anybody about anything i i think that i think that it is a weakness as a man to be unable to like address or handle or deal with your feelings in an open and honest manner to not be able to do that and feel like you've got to lock everything down and not process those things i think that's a person that has a weakness that they need to address okay i i agree i think the only thing is is that you need to open it with other men that understand your uh struggle and your experience that's another reason to why like i'm not a fan of opening up to women because men and women live different existences man um and i would argue in 2022 women have uh sympathy and they they they definitely have sympathy and not empathy because they don't understand the male experience and not only do they not understand the male experience they don't give a [ __ ] about the experience they've come on this podcast if we had discussions about this most women don't even know that like one-third of guys is either a virgin or hasn't had sex in the past year like women are grossly unaware about male struggles and why should they know because at the end of the day they have the privilege of the man approaches them regardless of how they behave like i've always said it like the reason why like girls know how to respond to men but they don't know what it takes to be attractive as a man to get the girl because they're kind of on the receiving end they just exist guys come to them but with a guy you need to not only be attractive in yourself and understand but you need to know women to be able to attract them you got to be a step ahead of them to be able to get laid any guy that has sex a lot of women has a very strong knowledge and grasp of female nature however the most beautiful women they'll be 21 and they don't understand men for [ __ ] but they're still able to be around high value men simply because their youth and beauty opens doors for them without them necessarily have to having to perform i think you overestimate the empathy that women have and well no um i will acknowledge that you can hear women say some real dumb [ __ ] so hilariously tonight when you uh like if you tell a woman like hey you tried approaching a guy and i've heard women since i was like why would i approach a guy and say no do you know how horrible that would be to get shot down it's like yeah of course i'm a guy i know how horrible this is shut down what the [ __ ] do you mean that's our everyday existence depending on what kind of dating market you're in but i will say on the flip side too guys are wholly [ __ ] brain dead when it comes to understanding some of the fears and struggles that women have sometimes too right yeah guys say which you're like oh like i'm eating a first date why can't i just pick you up from your house like why can't you just come back to my place or whatever it's like bro you ate 80 pounds heavily this home you could [ __ ] rape and murder this [ __ ] and it's instant if you wanted to like um this lovely young queen right this queen okay thank you destiny there are guys that have no concept of like the fear of like you know why why won't you go to the bathroom and leave your drink in front of me like i don't even know whether there would be a problem was a guy like a lot of guys have no idea all of the random [ __ ] that women have to kind of navigate in the dating markets too um so i agree women women yeah women definitely lack empathy when it comes to male struggle and male experience a lot that is absolutely freaky and they'll say some dumb [ __ ] but i hear guys say a lot of really [ __ ] stupid [ __ ] here's my point though here's my point for a man to attract a woman he must understand women to a degree any guy that's good with girls understands women very strongly better than they understand themselves i would argue however with women they don't have to understand men to attract them they have to understand men to keep them so i'm gonna i'll i'll i'll disagree and agree with you at the same time okay i don't think it's a man or woman thing i think a chaser needs to understand a little bit better than the pursued person and the chase usually men are the truth to understand the pursuit versus usually the men are the soldiers usually the men are the chasers so in that case it's probably going to be the case that the chaser needs to have a better understanding for sure yeah if i'm if i'm like hooking up the girl for the first time yeah i'm i have to think about everything that i want absolutely everything that i need but i have to know everything that's going on in her head too yes i need to make sure you feel safe you feel happy you're having a good time it's not yeah and i have to get i've got to get ahead of these things because i can't ask you like do you feel safe right now yeah i'm going to look at a [ __ ] creep so yeah it has to be planned out really meticulously yeah you're kind of like i hate to say it but like it's it's almost like a parent child like i'm here and we're having a good time but i'm taking care of you and myself at the same time well i'm trying to [ __ ] you at the same time too that's a hard role to play as a man sometimes yeah and that's in the world the woman's just so long for the ride like i don't [ __ ] up so we can have sex by the end of the night it's like i'm trying that's what i mean when i say like women really don't understand what it takes to be attractive as a man because sure the thing is is that um it's like sales right so like with sales you have a sales script to handle objections before the objection even comes up so like as a guy let's say you're setting up a first date where you're cleaning up your place you're having it being uh be a you know pristine in a certain way so that if you do bring her back she feels comfortable to take her clothes off a lot of the times you know if you fail to prepare you're preparing to fail you got to have you got to have a plan with a date taking her certain places have ambien set up whatever but the woman is unaware of all the works it takes for you as a man to be attracted to that woman i've always said right the the gazelle doesn't understand the perils that the lion has to go through to be able to hunt it it just knows oh lion it runs you know versus the lion has to study its prey has to see them when it drinks at the water and it can even see when it burns the calf so it can chase the cap because the cap is the weaker one so men have to understand women to a deep level to be good to have sex with them however women don't have to understand men to attract them i would argue women only need to understand men when they want a relationship and keeping the guy sure and i think that's a privilege that only women get to experience which is why my argument always is especially when it comes to dating other things it is what it is when it comes to like intersexual dynamics women lack empathy they don't understand the male experience whatsoever however men at least the ones that are good with women definitely understand the female experience because they have to overcome those objections when they come their way inevitably when they're on a date now most guys i agree with you are [ __ ] and don't have these skills which is why dating uh content uh self-improvement content etc dealing with women understanding female nature it's exploded over the past couple of years because guys aren't getting laid a bipartite that is like okay i have a problem here i need to fix this problem how do i figure it out then they watch content like this they're like whoa okay now they're able to connect the dots on why girls might have flicked on and why girls don't want to [ __ ] them etc because now they're realizing wait like you're telling me that girls are different yes my friend society's been lying to you girls are extremely different and you need to be able to know what the [ __ ] you're doing so that when that objection comes up you already got it handled and then you've got like the additional problem if you ask a woman if you ask a woman what women want she won't tell you what women want she'll tell you what she wants and she might not even know what she [ __ ] wants so it's like that's a hard conversation yeah somebody's just better to ask let's have fun with this like i said this earlier that women don't know what they want right um and people oh that's sexist that's misogyny well they actually proved this was study so what they did was they they had um they took a group of men and they took a group of women right and they took lesbian women as well and gay men but for the purposes of me explaining this to make it more make a sense i'll just talk about the heterosexual men and heterosexual women what they did was they attached electrodes to a um to the man's generals and to the woman's genitals to measure blood flow right arousal and then they gave them a clicker to click the the button if they're aroused and they showed them a bunch of stimulating images okay they showed like um heterosexual sex a guy walking down a beach they showed monkeys banging they showed a girl getting banged by the dildo whatever maybe a bunch of different erotic things with the men right that were heterosexual they only pretty much they clicked on what they liked and uh and obviously the erection was there as well and that was with the heterosexual sex so in other words with men what they like is extremely narrow okay heterosexual sex we like girls everything else oh [ __ ] uh the flaccid i'm not interested with the women however very interestingly shown was they only clicked on what was politically correct however the electrodes showed otherwise that they were actually aroused by everything with the monkeys banging the heterosexual sex the guy walking on the beach naked whatever and they wouldn't click on that they only clicked on the things that wouldn't embarrass them and i say that a lot of times to tell guys that what a girl tells you she's attracted to versus what she's aroused by are two different things which goes back to the vulnerability thing why i'm so big on guys not being vulnerable to girls because she might tell you open up to me cry it's okay don't worry about it and then you cry and you don't know if those electrodes are gonna if she's gonna get blood in the vagina or she's gonna be like this nigga's a [ __ ] and that's why i tell guys it's not worth the risk because women don't even know themselves what they're attracted and aroused by so i don't i don't want to leave it up to chance so yes sir man girls get it they want you to get it as well and the funny part is struggle with breeds awareness most girls bro they just show up and they get whatever they want i says guys bro we gotta work towards it so we have to understand you know what hugo's operate how to get them on a date and that right there struggle bro it's tough sure i mean and again i'll all to represent the other side of this especially in regards to that woman thing that's that's interesting but i i think that it's easy to look at that and take kind of like a malicious spin on it that either women are stupid or they don't know what's going on i think for a lot of women i think that societally i think there's a lot of repression that goes into like female sexuality too everything yeah today it's gotten better than it was in the 90s 80s 2000s even like it's gotten better but like all fine girls you know that like there there are women that like have their first orgasm when they're like 21 or 22. like they've never masturbated they've never put anything they don't look at they don't even know what the [ __ ] is going on down there sometimes because they're so like worried or disgusted or they've got these kind of feelings whatever so it wouldn't surprise me that they're not like as in tuned with their sexuality as well they don't know like the things that would've rosemary yeah no they're not yeah they may not be in tune because they're oppressed or whatever but i would argue it comes also from like shame like there's an enormous amount of pressure on women to like not come off as hoes i mean we've had porn stars even on here that are scared to say their body count so it's like women have like extreme like like it's a it's like an extremely strong sense to conceal their their past when it comes to promiscuity and there's a biological reason for that like if people find out that she's a hoe well it's going to limit her opportunity to get land a high value man and gain that security it's still even a woman that makes million dollars a year that's a whole is still going to have an issue with disclosing her body count because it's innate it's in her it's in her biology it's like just like a guy most of the time is not going to be okay with like well no offense to destiny watching this girl get banged by dudes you know they're just not it's just naturally it's just like it's in us right so wait wait do you watch no [ __ ] no no okay i'll do like three seconds i'm not gonna [ __ ] watch her get [ __ ] that'd be weird okay he's like no sure anything whatever wow yeah whatever the [ __ ] yeah hell yeah all right so he does it okay so he's he does it so he this is what i see the way that i see it this is the way that i say i see a lot of people talk about these like one way open relationships i see i see people talk about these one-way open relationships okay i'm bisexual so you know oh word yeah yeah memo female don't get any ideas are you sure so the way that i see it is if i'm gonna date a girl okay if i'm gonna date a girl all right i like the [ __ ] around okay it's like it's just it's where i'm at in life it's fun for me i have the opportunity to obviously i'm a famous person um i don't know if i could ever be in a relationship that's only open on my end though right because at one i don't know if i'd have respect for that woman and two i don't think she had respect for herself i don't think if you're a woman you're dating a guy and you let your guy [ __ ] around and you're just sitting in home all day i don't know that to me seems kind of sad so she wants to [ __ ] around she's free to i [ __ ] around we do threesomes sometimes or how are we doing bro well before i get into tackle that all i was going to just say just to finish my point just to finish the point was um women i agree with you they they have there's a deep societal uh thing in them to not like because women are scared to death of being ostracized by the tribe right so that's why they don't want to be looked at as hoes the scarlet letter is a death sentence so that's why another reason why two they clicked on the things that were politically correct versus they're aroused by a bunch of other things as far as the sexuality goes with i guess being open or i i just i disagree respectfully disagree and i think it's completely okay for a man to have uh a girl he be open and she be closed and the reason why i say that this this is my my stance on it is this if a woman is with a man right this only works of course if she's with a guy that she actually is attracted to respect and admires if a woman is with a man that she loves admires and respects virtually every other guy to her is invisible why let's ask it and peel it back why is it the reason why is because women have a very strong proclivity to have the best guy that they can get right that satisfy that hypergamous need to get the best guy that they can get once they feel that that's fulfilled well i don't need any of these other [ __ ] because this guy provides me everything i need security he's attractive he protects me whatever maybe he checks all my boxes right so all guys are visible to him but with the guy if he he could have the baddest chick ever he's still going to want to have sex with other women so think about this the female sexual strategy is accomplished she has the best guy to herself right at least providing security with the guy though he's not fulfilling his sexual need which is i want to have sex with as many women as possible right that's what guys want men want variety i don't care what any girl says you take the most attractive woman is still gonna want more girls you look at a music video there's a reason why they have girls of different colors shapes and sizes men want sexual abundance that is their innate need so my thing is this if woman is gets the best guy that she can get and her sexual strategy accomplished why is it that we shun guys from going ahead and wanting to have their sexual strategy accomplished and having multiple women and of course if they participate in a safe way the girl is still taking care of whatever i don't see an issue with it i don't think there's no importance i don't think there's any way that would ever be stable in the long run maybe you can find like the if you've got like an extremely high status guy and he's dating down far and like status of woman i think maybe you can do it but like for sure if because if we want to talk biology right you might argue that the woman is looking for the one alpha blah blah blah but if that woman is playing to her strengths right she's got a guy and they're together as they get older and older well why would a 30 year old woman be comfortable with her 35 year old husband banging 21 year old supermodels okay she's not gonna no shot she she would be threatened every single [ __ ] day of her life and that's and that's but here's the thing what that does is that threat makes you more number one it makes you more attractive which keeps you in the leveraged position in the relationship because i argue that the guy always has to have leverage in the relationship that's the only way that women actually yeah but the problem is in these types if we're going to talk about the really big like evo psych um sexual dynamics sure the woman if we're if i don't believe this but if we go to that area the woman has lost the ability to compete once she's 29 30 years old she's done enough so like why would that woman ever be okay with her husband [ __ ] women that are younger than her that she will never be i got you yeah okay on the woman to have a child with that man that is the key she needs to give him children because at that point now he understands i have a kid with this woman i must now deal with obviously this is the mother of my children this is why it's so important for a guy for the man to be honest [ __ ] and the girl picked the right guy that's on his [ __ ] because if she has kids with him they ain't going back that's judgmental there is one we have more broken family say the united states and at any point in [ __ ] history the u.s so guys can leave and then two depending on the type of relationship [ __ ] destiny men only initiate about 20 of the divorces it's the women there's a reason why the the phrase i'm talking about we're talking about fatherless children you don't have to be married to have a child and i'm willing to bet that if we look at like say black communities where there's a lot of father i doubt these people were married before they had kids right it's easy for the for the father to walk away and a lot of times not even [ __ ] child support oh that's that that's a good point but that's that's why it's incumbent upon the woman to number one lock that security down and then number two have children with that man because what and again uh me giving this advice to women is obviously gonna put men in a more vulnerable position when you give advice one gender you inevitably put the other one in a uh in a bad position but my thing is if you marry the man and you have children with that man he's going to be far more likely to provide you that security while simultaneously can [ __ ] other girls and i think also it's on the like my thing is the performance goes on the woman when it comes to having the relationship it's her job to keep the guy and add value to his life even as she gets older okay she can do that but how how can she add that value if you guys are saying things like you you don't necessarily support like the girl bossing you don't necessarily support them like being the more masculine like aside from being young and hot like what is the value in your world i'm curious like in your world what is the value that a 30 year old woman can add to the relationship besides already having had a kid spiritually so so so for me i won't say because i'm taking myself out of the conversation but what i'm saying when i say you i just think you're judging me for you yeah yeah yeah so yeah so in general like what i always tell girls right when i give them advice and ask this how do i keep a guy that i like or whatever especially in a situation where you have a variable of like other women well you need to become an indispensable component in that man's kit and what i mean by that is every man is different so some guys want a hot coffee as soon as they wake up meals ready to go clothes ironed uh you know the children are ready going to school some guys might say yo i need you to check my emails be my assistant some other guys may need a girl to be a you know a handy woman helping him out with the car whatever maybe every guy has a weak point and it's on the girl to find that weak point identify it come up with a solution and help that man we go from 100 to 100 100 200 304 because that's going to make him the best version so my thing is this for a woman to be able to circumvent you know a guy having an open relationship where she's close on her end get the marriage get the ring get the kids he's going to be far less likely to divorce you and or leave you because men rarely break up on relationships anyway and then if he does there's going to be some serious penalties which is why the the um the divorce courts were made excuse me the family courts are in the way that they do to prevent everything true although i will say we're talking about i think one problem you have is that you're bringing some general things like men are less likely to end relationships etc that's probably true in the aggregate we look at all the people yeah but when we're talking about one man that can juggle multiple women we're selecting for a top if you use your word hypergamous right or no would would the man be hypocrites not or would you no but no it's you typically for females but you're talking about yeah and these are the guys that can easily step out of the relationship right and even if you look at the status afterwards like let's say 35 year old man 29 year old woman and then they have one or two kids who who's better in the separation there right the man is just growing and growing and growing growing the woman is [ __ ] her life is over that's what i just can't imagine and maybe it maybe maybe it does happen more than i know i just don't know those friends i just can't imagine that woman who is in in your world to use your guys's terms or maybe you don't use it but like who is hitting the wall and now who's locked down with one or two kids being like all right like i'm chill with you going to [ __ ] like the 22 year old chick from work um and but i don't think you'll leave me because i make you cough every morning well it's not it's not about that remember she she got what she wanted which is the security a man can love his wife or his man girl and have sex with other women it's it's possible you know i mean it's 100 possible and a lot of guys do it anyway it's just that they're not honest with their girl so my thing is this the biggest takeaway from this is that most guys can't execute this and i agree with you on that most guys can't do it but can they like they can't pull it off because they don't have the value to demand that type of stress from their girl because let's be honest it is going to be stressful most guys don't have the value to be able to demand it but are men capable of doing it absolutely my issue is that women are not capable of doing it if a woman is in an open relationship with you the guy is deficient to some degree okay i'll agree i'll agree to disagree on you but because we're gonna circle the drain on this one but yeah yeah i mean that that's that's how i look at it like um because when we've interviewed girls like we say like uh you know when you're with a guy that you like really admire respect they're like what are your thoughts oh yeah i don't see anybody else like he's he's my guy but with a guy you know you could be full but you're always going to look at the menu like men are always going to look to other women man but i mean earlier we just acknowledge women are on some crazy [ __ ] when it comes to societal pressure and the answers given that they think they need to give i don't know if i buy that they're like oh yeah that's my man i don't look at any other person [ __ ] i don't think that's true i'll meet you and i'll say that like you're not gonna have center yeah generally sex is like a more emotional experience usually for women i think about 35 [ __ ] the 22 year old and my wife wants to go [ __ ] other people it's out of it's a reaction it's out of jealousy it's not a natural desire but i mean women can feel the same way about men absolutely like why am i not enough for my man that he wants to step out and go [ __ ] other women yeah but that's not a natural i want to do it that goes down that goes down to just female stupidity not understanding the male sexual strategy because like women know that guys want to [ __ ] a bunch of girls but every girl thinks that she's special that she's going to be able to tame the wild horse and he's going to be loyal to her and my thing is that the reason why you're attracted to him in the first place was he because he was the wild horse that has a bunch of women so you think he's going to change for you no you're not that special because men always want variety i think a girl is in a very strong and powerful position actually when she understands male nature adapts to male nature and pretty much puts herself in a position where she's like okay i get that you're going to do this i know that you're going to want to do this i'm going to encourage you i'm gonna allow it it is what it is you're my man i love you you love me because most girls that that's actually a secret weapon right there because most girls don't have uh their hubris is so strong that they don't acknowledge that you're they're not that special do you think that for the audience i'm curious do you think that even like fifteen percent of the audience could be that type of guy that's juggling multiple women no no most guys can't pull it off those guys can't pull it off like like almost agree but you have to be like that's gotta be like a really really really high status thing to hit that point but let's reel her most guys want to do it though yeah see i call it ego right because for example if a woman right is really into you right and let's say for example she's upset because you want to see it by the woman i get it 100 she's like you know what why can't i do it too however if you're providing everything that she needs in that sense why leave and go with somebody else well i mean again it would ideally i think from her perspective would be the same for the man's perspective like i don't know if they view like the set we're certainly in the drain i don't go too back and forth but like like i feel like the woman could ask the same question because i think often times when a guy does cheat on a woman like th that is the thought like well am i not enough now i know you're saying that it's different from the male perspective or whatever but um i i think that both ends can pursue like just things that are when they're cheating it's it's emotional it's like i want to get like with a man it's like i'm just having they're just having sex life size like with yeah like what's matter there's a lot of men that leave their wives for mistresses and [ __ ] too like it's not like that never happens like that's true that is a good point but more than likely the woman was [ __ ] she wasn't having sex with him anymore she was annoying she was nagging him whatever it may be it takes a lot for a guy to leave a woman however it does not take a lot for a woman to leave a man they're far more likely to end the relationships and we know this like women overwhelmingly initiate argument spike thrones but let's be real here though higher divorce rate the divorce rate might be an issue by women more but there could be reasons for that relationships might end before marriage if the guy's more likely to end it possibly i i don't know where all the numbers fall on that um sure but that like there are there are so many dynamics of playing we're talking about different people so for instance that that thought of like um uh women aren't as afraid of like i guess their guy leaving them as the guy would be of the woman leaving them if they were sleeping around i think that that is it one more time just like they follow yeah if a guy has his woman and she's sleeping around he's afraid of her leaving him but if he's sleeping around she shouldn't be afraid of him leaving her i don't think he's afraid of her leaving him it's more about it's more about like men have a very strong eternity to ensure that the child is there so like that's why men are so disgusted by women that are promiscuous because like you know we got to go back like back in time right like if we go back through history like paternity test is something that's relatively new in the past couple of decades so the only way guys were able to ensure that the child was theirs was they would marry a virgin that's why virgins are so high value it's because it's the only way that a guy can like know okay this kid is definitely mine and she didn't cheat on me yeah when she dies it's like if a woman is looking at that biologically too she's not gonna want a guy that [ __ ] around because a guy that's [ __ ] around is gonna be able to take care of 15 20 kids but here's the thing she knows that the kid is hers at least yeah but she he's not gonna have the resources to provide for a whole [ __ ] village of children that's why women pick the best guys this guy because she knows like it's since the beginning of time like the strongest men that have had the most most resources always had harms of women because women understood my security overrides my emotions and my female hubris that i think i'm special it's only in modern day times really that women think that they're equal to a man and they should have a high volume and themselves since forever women have had the uncomfortable truth of understanding if i'm with a high value guy there's a bunch of other women that are also going to want that security from that guy i'm just going to have to acknowledge that i'm a part of this this family so with women they're not going to [ __ ] a guy unless he's a winner in the first place because uh pregnancy is a high investment for her that's the need yeah i understand real quick so i understand what you're saying from certain evolutionary strategies yeah i just in in one sense i don't always see it playing out that way today in terms of if we're talking for ultra ultra ultra high value men right sure that this this might be something that like top two percent top one percent of men could do we are juggling essentially like a hair of women i can agree with that sure but there are so many other circumstances where if you're a woman and you've got a guy like him stepping out is gonna be the most frightful [ __ ] experience of life maybe 30 years ago maybe one guy could provide resources for a whole group of people which i don't even think ever actually happened you probably always have like groups of like men and women it's gonna be one guy that has all the kids right um otherwise why would the other men be invested in even taking care of that house well no no no no i mean that's how it's been like one guy with like 19 women so historically speaking historically speaking like since the beginning of time like one one man is procreated for every 17 women so so what does that mean that tells you that like the women were concentrating on a very small minority men a small minority men were having sex with the majority of the women because women are pergamos by nature and pick the best guys what's the evolutionary strategy for the men that stuck with the tribes but they just inappropriate yeah but then how how are they not just like gone why would they just leave because you mean they're trying to strengthen the tribes like from a from a genetic point of view that's not a winning strategy it isn't but like that's why the dominance hierarchies are that's why men operate on hierarchies like there's always winners and losers the top guys got all the girls and then the other guys were turned into unix or whatever it may be and they like okay uh you can go ahead and go off on your own bro but uh we got the chicks here and we're gonna we're gonna go hunt without you so you don't need like like women are valuable men are not men are expendable commodities like if you have a couple of guys you can make some [ __ ] happen but if you don't have a couple women you guys are [ __ ] dead so i think that's that's why like women are almost always protected in society even today is today's day and age they say children are women first because they're the the future of the generation so with men you only need a couple one guy can impregnate 100 women but if you have 100 men and one woman we're [ __ ] you know destiny how would you feel this is a hypothetical right let's say your wife or your girl right went out you know had a maybe like a sexual affair or whatever and she got pregnant she came home to you right and said hey i'm pregnant you think you're raising my kid you take care of the kid for like let's say like 10-15 years wait why the [ __ ] would i do that on a paternity test i'm saying you you believe her right let's see if it's not your kid after like 10 years what would you do how would you feel i feel pretty dumb for not getting a paternity test that's what guys feel if i know my girl is going to be out there doing wait but we don't i don't think we make decisions like that right now like we have the ability to avoid pregnancies and to check like really what would happen if she came out she was probably like we're flying a [ __ ] california abortion right now that's the real thing of what's happening right but like i i understand i guess i i feel like there's not an acknowledgement on the other side like i i understand what you're saying here and that there might be some reproductive stretch in the guy but this is a like i don't know why a woman would ever try to lock down a promiscuous male with children when that guy might meet a younger hotter woman and just step the [ __ ] up and now she's burdened with having to provide for that child because there's no guarantee she's getting child support she if they're not married she's not getting alimony if there's a prenup she might be [ __ ] right not only is she now burdened with those children you know god bless him that sounds mean but she has to deal with that her future is [ __ ] because being a single mom is now you're [ __ ] on so many different dating markets compared to single dads are honestly have it better than a single mom who's like completely [ __ ] so sure like if if we're if we're just going by like what is like the best like reproductive strategy or whatever i don't think a woman should ever be selecting for a promiscuous male like even if you could go for like that top one percent guy i think you'd rather get like a top forty percent guy that you know it's not gonna be sleeping around or cheating on you or looking to upgrade the second he can to another woman and then leave you high and dry but here's the thing like their biology doesn't allow them to do that they always the thing is is that like even though on paper it's terrible for a woman to pick a promiscuous guy and i agree with you it's a very stupid thing to do but the thing is that promiscuous guy that has all the girls is inherently attractive and attraction is not a choice women respond very favorably to guys that can get other women and they resp think about it [ __ ] boys [ __ ] [ __ ] damn bosarian you hugh hefner you know andrew tays people want to say nowadays his brother tristan these guys are all playboys they have these misogynistic toxic traits but women love it why because it shows um women are attracted to men that don't give a [ __ ] about them so i get what you're saying they should select for the more average guy that's going to be loyal to ensure their security do you think there's a difference between sexual selection or relationship selection because i would agree that women will [ __ ] with [ __ ] boys for sure but hook like getting with them in a long-term relationship unless it's like a rich they can tie them down they definitely will yeah how can you tie them down it can't be with the kid guys are stepping on kids all the time well okay are we talking about today or we're talking about in the past like like today like like i can understand a woman being attracted to a promiscuous guy because i mean if he is promiscuous because he's already accomplished like a certain amount yeah right i should agree with that for sure but to to try to go after that guy um just seems like such a bad reproductive strategy like having sex with him yes but a relationship unless he's already like really high status in some other way like you mentioned like hugh hafter and stuff these people might be [ __ ] boys but they're not just [ __ ] boys they're successful too right these people are wealthy people they have some resources i can understand like that attraction there but i feel like i know girls that will look at a guy like i would [ __ ] that dude no [ __ ] way would i ever date that guy though i wouldn't trust him the thing is is that they [ __ ] that guy and then they hope for something more they realize this guy's not going to commit okay [ __ ] it and then what happens is they [ __ ] those [ __ ] those guys in their peak years in their 20s right it was called the riding the [ __ ] carousel right on the side of the internet and then they hit their 30s and the next thing you know it's like [ __ ] where'd all the good guys go and then that's when they settle with a guy that might be a little less attractive that's when they start to concede depending on the girl's own value or they don't they say [ __ ] it i'm gonna stay single so and then they end up not being satisfied anyway because the guy's a [ __ ] but the very things that create that security that she's that she's attracted to are the very same things that makes her lose arousal for that man do you think okay so let's let's assume all i'll i'll grant you all of this and i'll ask you a question the other one i'm gonna curious sure so if i if i grant you all of that do you think that when you're pushing for women that are not as i'll say masculine that aren't going after careers that aren't going after whatever don't you think you're kind of pushing women into that territory you want them to act like that because it seems like the only way that like how would you break a woman out of that like really baser i just want to [ __ ] the most [ __ ] guy and do that until i'm 30 or whatever like it seems like the way you would break somebody out of that is to encourage them to live a more like um i'll say liberal lifestyle liberalism with a capital l like go after a career do some [ __ ] like don't just try to like [ __ ] you know the most dry guys in your 20s while they try to make something yourself do you think that those women are more likely to make better decisions or do you think they're going to be stuck in the same [ __ ] carousel are you talking about like the women that are in power that go to school and i mean the thing is is that that's the dream that's the sex and the city lifestyle that like kind of has been sold to women since like the 90s and you know the the since feminism really so that sounds better like they tell them hey go to school get your education put off children put off whatever but what feminism doesn't tell women is that as they get older and earn more money they actually decrease their chances of finding the very man that they're competing in the college universities for so you know i would tell a girl your best bet is to catch your chips early when you're at your highest you know value and get the best guy that you can get when you're still young and beautiful but a lot of girls want to wait off and say hey i'm going to find my guy at 31 32 after i have my law degree well you've effectively handicapped yourself because what happened now is that you're older you're you've probably had sex with more people you've been through some relationships you have some experience on you and you have a degree which earns you a lot of money congratulations you've turned into the man that you want to be and quite frankly now most guys don't qualify for you so i would say if you want a fruitful relationship and get the best guy that you can get and have children you want to get married and get a serious relationship going when you're still young and have the ability to attract that guy but we tell women no put it off put it up put it off and then they get to the end of the line and then you know they end up on our podcast crying at 33 because they can't get a guy that they wanted okay i'll i'll do this last time because i know it's like it just it feels like if you set a woman up for that if you tell a woman that like in your early 20s you need to find a guy who is the i the highest value you can get at 20 early 20s because that's the highest i think the average dating age like 24 female 30 male i think it's like these are like you consider your peak years right yes that if um if you aim for that and you go after a guy that's like that yeah then you're going after the type of guy that's always going to be looking for women like that that like if you are advertising yourself at your peak productive reproductive years or whatever hopefully when you start dating that guy hopefully you'll lock him down with a kid as soon as possible which there's a whole host of relationship problems that we don't have to get into but hopefully you get that as soon as possible within a year i guess i'm dating but now you've selected for the exact type of man who's looking for that optimal reproductive age woman and it feels like that strategy is always going to keep both ends like fantastic that's why i tell women if you want to be with a winner understand that you have to share him that's an uncomfortable truth that i tell women all the time is that if you're going to be with a winner guess what every other girl wants that very guy and there's not enough of them to go around high value men are beautiful women are common and i think that's an issue that a lot of modern day women have where they think we tell women all the time they're special they're beautiful they deserve the best etc the reality is no beauty is common like you guys are all the [ __ ] same you all believe in you know spiritual signs and zodiac signs and a bunch of [ __ ] and you know quite frankly like a lot of women are a lot more similar than they think they are and my thing is that you have a highly successful ambitious guy that's rare to come by you're not going to have them to yourself get your [ __ ] ego out the side understand that you need to be the number one chick and other girls are going to be side chicks and you do that by adding value having a kid with him getting him to commit to you and then bam now you have some insurance policies in place where he's gonna be punished for leaving you okay give your last one out wait wait wait wait because we'll just go back and forth so i mean it's fine i think it's a good discussion i think i think we agree actually agreed on that a lot more uh then there's a lot of like descriptive parts that i'll agree on right like i know like the average like optimal attractive ages or whatever um like the 24 female 30 for male 1 um i guess i just get worried sometimes when we send people down those roads you're you're committing them to in my opinion what is kind of like unsatisfactory life that like ideally we are selecting each other for more than just like optimal male [ __ ] achievement and optimal female [ __ ] youth and beauty and i would hope that's the only i don't know i don't think so that's not the most fulfilling goal that might be like in the most base or biological sense like the way that we like kind of ooga booga relate to each other but i think that we can push people a little bit more to like go after a little bit more in life in terms of like relationships rather than like i'm trying to find like the tightest [ __ ] 24 year old [ __ ] that will have my children i'll give you this destiny so what you mentioned i would consider those auxiliary benefits but the primary benefits are what you describe the youth in beauty versus the man's security and status and then everything after that is like auxiliary like think of it as like extra credit right like you still have to score like the woman still has to obviously reach an attraction standard the man still has to reach like a success standard to for them to even like be attracted to each other in the first place then from there oh she has redeeming quality because she's um and she has this hobby that i'm you know i'm she's not the hottest she's a seven but she's really submissive she's really she's a good woman i'll take this girl over a baddie does that make sense doesn't think i agree with you but i would just i would swap the auxiliary primary i guess like it'd be cool if she was like young and able to have kids and blah blah blah blah but like if i find like i i guess the difference is that like if if you and me were in the same spot and there was like a 32 year old woman that fit like everything that i would want in life okay and then there was like a 24 year old woman who's way [ __ ] hotter but she was like deficient in a lot of areas but she's not like horrible that it feels like um somebody in your position not you but some of your position made up for the 24 and i would act for the 32 year old i guess that's the difference in i mean i guess it depends also on your goals are you like trying to find a family or something like that like like a partner to share my life with not just like the optimal reproductive strategy you find fulfillment more in relationships than we do for the most part like we can be happy without the long-term life commitment my wife it's easier to be happy without that but you're you're looking for like a life commitment i mean if i'm in a relationship i wanted to be somebody but then i also that's kind of like the more like looking at the girl yeah i guess like i mean he's a man like strategy is a little bit different yeah yeah and i acknowledge i don't recommend my lifestyle for anybody um because there's a whole bunch of complications that arise from anything that involves more than two people even two people are really complicated but i feel like if i'm in a relationship i want there to be some equal footing and the auxiliary stuff is really important to me um but yeah i mean i can understand the difference so the other thing too is that like most guys are not going to be okay with their girl being open yeah at all bro but i'd also say most women are not going to be okay with their man being open hold on he's got to be a winner first that's that's my requirement i should be a winner if we're going to if you're going to say that that like well actually if it's a top one percent man that's fine i would argue the same for the women too if you're if you're a random [ __ ] schmuck and you're dating beyonce but she gets to [ __ ] the guy you're like okay [ __ ] it she won't even date a regular guy that's the point no i know but i'm saying that i i understand that wouldn't be the case but they would be okay with it because jackson balance is because a woman's not going to date a loser but a man will definitely date a loser that's a winner that that's that's what i'm trying to say man we'll take a loose that's a winner whatever no i'm sorry like your example that you made like beyonce's with a guy that's like a winner she's the top one percent in that eye like she wouldn't even look at that with that loser guys what i'm trying to say like women to only date a bare minimum across hierarchies or above so like it's far more likely that the guy is going to be with a loser-ass chick versus a woman that's a winner with a loser it's just like i don't think she's really a loser-ass chick i think that as an example i'm saying he's he'll date a girl that's like not one percent does that make sense no i think he will date a one percent girl but the percentages are different because i noticed something where people talk about like men dating up or down but i think that when you rate women on a different scale you're still dating up so like for instance like i might date somebody that is like oh this girl uh you know she has no money she's whatever you know she's not nothing special whatever but she's a [ __ ] ten hottest [ __ ] girl in the world and am i and i think some people analyze situations like oh well look the guy is dating down but it's because he's shot well no i'm not dating down at all my equal what i'm looking for not me but sometimes i'm looking for something that's really [ __ ] hot this is a top one percent girl cause she's [ __ ] hot right so i i think when we talk about like dating up or down i think you have to account for the different things but what i'm saying is that like a really hot girl a lot of the times is not going to be with a bum or if she doesn't it's going to be like a river but a really a really accomplished man is not going to be with a homely average girl it's going to be like you don't see these guys that are 35 dating like average 35 year olds these top one percent men right they're gonna be with like top one percent women just but they're top one percent in terms of looks yeah but i was just going off their example with beyonce being with a loser sure i'm saying like a woman that's like that status level is not going to date down sure man that's at that stage status level like a jay-z will date or no name chick but beyonce is not going to date a no-name man okay does that make sense no that's true or not but well i don't i don't know if i could ever begin yeah no name guy bro come on do you think do you think uh somebody like jc is dating a no-name girl he's cheated on her boy the bunch of random [ __ ] cheated is different [ __ ] the girl who's doing the date that's what i'm saying though no wait wait i don't know what you're saying [ __ ] the girl is different than dating a girl i think i think a high guy will [ __ ] anything of course but dating i think he's going to be looking for somebody that's matching the class of like characteristics he's looking for unless there's like a really special circumstances like they knew each other since high school or some [ __ ] i mean there's top one percent men are not dating girls are married to average girls we don't even know their names yeah but i i don't know waitress like i would have to know the circumstances because because sometimes this will pop up and it's like oh okay well then that's really crazy how did that happen oh they've known each other since high school oh they were like family oh there's a bunch of like no-name girls like like no no young and hot [ __ ] girls but they're but they're nobodies but they're not that's what he's valued but he's not looking for me because remember the thing you're talking about career the same part because beyonce that's why we're well i'm sorry when i got confused because men are valuing women for their looks here and women are valuing for their accomplishments right so a really really hot woman is a top one percent woman a really really accomplished man is a 100 man and i think these are the hierarchies that people right like it sounds mean to say but like like really unaccomplished men are going after not as hot women right they're like lower on the toner bottle but they're still like kind of matching but a really really accomplished man is not going after an unaccomplished woman she is but he's not a really hot woman and in that case the hierarchy are generally matching but yeah yeah i know i agree it's like different value that they bring to each other i think we just got confused off the beyonce sure okay that's that's where the confusion came from gotcha yeah okay never right go next one sorry you say something well so i guess to make it a more understandable example if you've got like a fugly kind of dude who's like [ __ ] whatever a normal dude and he somehow manages like some top one percent insanely [ __ ] hot girl yeah and she's like i'll date you dude but like i get to [ __ ] other guys i think a lot of fugly guys are like you know what [ __ ] it dude as long as i get to [ __ ] you i don't care i think there are guys that would go for that arrangement especially guys they're [ __ ] virgos whatever i think they would it would suck a little bit but it would suck a little bit in the same way that like that girl who has to let her husband be open because he's a top top for one percent male 1 would kind of suck for her i don't think they do it i think the respect isn't there and that makes for that makes for a doom relationship because if that happens in that dynamic i get it yeah he met a lot because he's lower value per se but disrespects him probably not maybe but i mean i don't want to go all the way up but i would argue that there's a lack of respect too on any one and an open relationship i would say the man doesn't respect the woman in that case because you don't need to chase [ __ ] your whole life you know your relationship be more stable if you could commit and that if you're not both going to be open to just you you know to be more stable if you'd commit you know there's less a risk of you running out you know there's no source of you knocking somebody else up so like if there's an equal amount of respect there from the man and the woman the man should be able to commit to the woman i think he's respecting her by being honest about what he wants yeah what but what does he want more does he want to chase [ __ ] do you just want to build a strong relationship but yeah that's brilliant though right mainly for other women so it's going to happen regardless i mean men want to shut up heroin men want to drink and drive that you don't have to chase every single vice you have right just just saying just giving the description that like men want to do with things i mean that's not the justification that's their innate sexual strategies like heroin yeah it's going to happen bro yes you feel pretty innate if you've done it a few times i mean like there are guys that there are people that go through their whole life and only [ __ ] one woman or their people get married they don't step on their wives but you should be able to control it but no but here's the thing like most guys [ __ ] only one girl or get into committed relationships because they don't really have a choice if i left a guy to his own devices and told them listen you can have your main chick while simultaneously and haven't been a [ __ ] bad [ __ ] without your girl get mad at you every guy is going to take the ladder for sure so that but that's always going to lead to more problems okay let's flip it around let's jump around now let's take a girl tell her yo you got your dream guy but you can also go ahead and [ __ ] a bunch of guys that girl is going to say no [ __ ] thank you i'm not a [ __ ] that's the key sure but is that the biological reproductive strategy is she worried about the blowback from the relationship if there truly were no consequences i don't i don't know women women are not hardwired to be promiscuous if they're with their guy most of the time girls are promiscuous as a necessity because it's like okay this guy has money so i gotta [ __ ] with him to get because he has money this guy's actually attractive in good shape or i'm gonna [ __ ] with him to get like my nara this guy is a really good talker and he connects with me emotionally whatever so a lot of times when girls have guys in rosters each guy is competing completing some kind of compartmentalization in her sexual strategy but ideally she would like to get a guy that has all these components only have sex with him now she's secured now she's secured and she accomplished her sexual strategy now ask her do you want to [ __ ] other dude she's going to say a resounding no because girls don't want to be host but you ask the guy he has a bad [ __ ] yo that girl gives you everything you need you have kids with her she's a fantastic mother do you want to [ __ ] other girls and it's not gonna affect you she's gonna he's gonna say yes and that's the key difference basically you think men and women are equal i i think in terms of sexual pursuing i think that women tend to be a bit more emotionally connected to sex but i think if you get like a really sexually relational i think he actually wants to fight but do you want you want and she wants a relationship overall you don't want to lead you want to have an equal partner i mean like it's not going to be equal in all ends but for the most part yeah i want somebody feels more like a partner than like a servant to me that's what we disagree sure which is fair but okay interesting conversation yeah i i guess yeah uh yeah no no it was good definitely good conversation i'll uh hit these chats real quick because we got oh the girls are here yep oh [ __ ] okay um all right we got uh destiny isn't that a girl these [ __ ] bro is that a girl's name uh and then we got here um maverick s uh all the way from the philippines goes destiny speaking about emotional balance how do you emotionally balance your open relationship as a good thing i want to learn from you okay uh 50 bucks from uh jesse right i don't recommend my relationship style for anybody i wouldn't recommend any type of relationship for anybody yeah if you can find any even even the one ended or whatever if you could find a way to make it work then more power to you but like it's so much additional drama juggling there's like a lot i think you have an x factor that like helps you significantly versus like a regular guy you know um i think i mean we don't have to because i think that's a whole other conversation right but i think like the the bisexuality like gives you like an edge where you don't nest like you don't have uh ego attached that that's a component but at the same time it's like um there isn't the same imperative to keep your woman in line because you can get satisfaction from a gen a gender that is like way more sexually open that is willing to give you what you need at a moment's notice versus like for a heterosexual guy like he's only going to deal with women so like damn yeah wait hold on personally it's like 99 is my is women okay it's very rare i guess bisexual yeah very especially with the [ __ ] monkey [ __ ] okay jesus christ i'm not trying to get [ __ ] uh legions out here again i'm not gonna die out here jesus christ here's the thing i'm not saying i'm not i i understand what you're saying though there yeah there are a lot of dynamics that make my relationship like i have access to a lot of people that yeah because i'm a i have an influencer you know that [ __ ] so yeah i don't recommend it for anybody so you don't tickle the booty no i don't do any of that kind of stuff i'm not so why are you bisexual so i think the left [ __ ] just got to you because if i deliberate some of the guy i want to be able to for all of us to do stuff instead of just like being scared like touching dicks with each other you don't penetrate for a guy you don't have to let's read the chat yeah the only reason i haven't said that was just to simply say that like it there's it's different for him because he can get satisfaction from a party that is much easier to deal with does that make sense versus like as a guy like when you're dealing with only girls like you have to make sure you're in your masculine and you're dealing with her in a certain way because women are less forgiving of fuck-ups in a relationship than another guy is if that makes sense because women look to men for leadership and authority right so like if you're deficient in that well her respect for you starts to go down and as a matter and after that respect goes down arousal starts to go down alongside it they're intrinsically tied but like if you're attracted to let's say men for example well men are easier to deal with like you can get on grindr and do whatever you got to do and it's done right like okay i got my sexual satisfaction i don't need you [ __ ] so that gives you uh how do i say this it gives you a layer of security in your sexual strategy because like you don't necessarily have to deal with women so i think that's why it's like a unique situation because it's like sure you you don't need to depend on your girl for that does that make sense uh yeah kind of wait that's a whole other yeah yeah that's a whole other thing all right i may have opened up pandora's box that's all good uh destiny serious question you talk with your wife about the sexual she has oh the sex she has other men and how do you feel about it especially if she had a better experience with others dude not trying to throw shade that's from yeah i mean like we talk about all sorts of stuff like i'll talk about my experiences when she talks about her experiences like sometimes we learn like other people like yeah we're pretty open sexually fair enough damn uh alejandra lopez i can't disagree uh disagree that most people can't handle true freedom because it brings anxiety or even for safety but that is a passive person a dominant or assertive person goes into the restaurant knowing what he wants i'd argue it's the duality of the masculine and feminine okay uh freshman you see fresh there's only one way to save this man's life you know what to do destiny what is your girl's number we have to blow we have to blow her back out that's the only way and once he sees her in a wheelchair he will be free this is good every single day bro come on man that's the i'm gonna change my name to deezer and stream snipe my way to grand masters and that's from neil castell castelloni okay um remember s grand master oh you play overwatch no [ __ ] that's a starcraft reference that's a really old reference to like 10 years ago in my stream yeah do you play overwatch or no i used to a little bit but not much there okay never mind let's give sneako and destiny the last word okay and then we're going to have some girls on someone continue on the show and where can i find y'all we'll start with uh cinco sneako shniko net you know creativity kit is dropping uh august 22nd and shout out to you for bringing destiny man because this is a great episode yeah um i mean any last he's like the smart lassonde thanks thanks i don't know how i feel about that one but um youtube.com destiny uh follow me there twitter.com the omniliberal uh i should post there sometimes but it's pretty edgy so you know it's kind of funny because i watched a good amount of your content people like oh he's gonna debate with you you guys are gonna argue i was like guys we actually agree on a lot of things because you know i ain't gonna lie i studied you quite a bit um and i already knew like um it wasn't gonna be too many disagreements because as much you guys want to say he's like a raging liberal not really man i mean you're a fake liberal bro he's more libertarian if anything you know what i mean if what i would say it's for the stream it's for the audience yeah i get it yeah that's not true if you want to jump in like the most you'll get me on this like red pill [ __ ] is going to be in like probably the dating arena because that's why i think where progresses are the most like [ __ ] delusional but if you want to get into politics or whatever we can start talking to trump with the ukraine or anything yeah i like guns that's not that that's not the important there are lots of liberal people like that okay listen who commits most of the crime in the country okay okay and they vote liberal [Music] some crazy [ __ ] they pulled a lot of documents out of that [ __ ] house they did free trump they they did um we could probably talk about it no i'm just kidding let's talk about it with the girl episode i'm going to do a fed episode on it so um bring him in maybe we can actually yeah because i see both sides i see both sides well what the fbi did there um

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