Powder Coating (NEWS!) "New Method"

well hey YouTube it's Elvis ammo here hey today I want to talk about a pretty cool subject it's kind of special something I've been working on for some time I'll show you something take a look at this look real close you see that there's something definitely different about these bullets and I'm going to reveal that not to drag this out but I love this new sign that I made up there is something different about those bullets did you catch it when I showed them to you I'm gonna show them to you in tell me if you see anything different do you see anything now I didn't think so but there is there is something very different about these bullets um you're looking at them and you're like okay they're powder coated bullets and they are but the way that they're made is a lot different um so for the longest time on now there's been information about this subject for a long time but I've never seen a solution to the problem and that is on on our being Ken now you know we spend you know a lot of time casting our bullets and then we water quench them and and then we powder coat them we put them in the oven 400 degrees for 20 minutes and we take them back out we load them and we shoot them and things seem to work just fine and that's the reason I've never on this channel I don't know if any channel has be honest with you but I know in different forums this subject has come up but whenever you whatever you powder coat your bullets let's say you you got your wheel weights for instance like I do I use my clip-on wheel weights cast my bullets if I want the bullets to be extra hard water quench them and and then powder coat them put them in the oven 400 degrees for 20 minutes take them back out load them up and shoot them right or size them whatever well what's been happening is and and this is the reason I didn't bring the subject up before is what's been happening is we we when we when we quench our bullets we gain a substantial amount especially if you're using like clip-on wheel weights where you have your standard ingredients like antimony tin and arsenic um those are usually common ingredients found and in this type of lead and we water quench them and for instance on this particular I separate my clip on wheel weights you know from my stick on wheel weights and I end up with a pretty good hardness you know out of after water quenching I can have um you know it's it's probably I probably average about twenty one B and ten and um and then you know there's a whole nother subject about here the bhn you know increasing or decreasing over time I'm not going to get into that at all in this video but um but for instance I loaded I let's see I guess some uh some bullets here 400 degrees for 20 minutes and and my roll bullet just shortly you know within an hour after I cast them you know I was already reading 21 bhn on on my hardness tester on my lead hardness tester that's what I'm using so um so and then I powder-coated them and you know I think I've checked it about a days of not even 24 hours later and I was at about 11 and a half 12 bhn all the way from 21 and so almost dropped in half of the hardness now over a period of a week you know for sure a few days to a week that will increase to own it varies a little bit obviously you depend on the percentage of ingredients that you have in your lid it may increase you know to fifteen or sixteen be ten fifteen beach and 14 bhn um see it varies a little bit depending on the the antimony tin arsenic or whatever you have you put in your lid so so anyway you lose you lose a lot of hardness because bye-bye powder coating our bullets we are tempering the lead just like welders know if you're welding on a piece of steel um you could very well soften that steel wear that weld is and anywhere around where that world is because the temperature rises to almost a melting point as you're welding it so oh the you know so we're tempering our bullets um but the reason I didn't bring this up as a subject and another video is because I didn't want to be kind of a spoiler and freak people out about powder coating their bullets there's no reason to because in the end ultimately we know that our bullets are shooting just fantastic but in this video I'm going to show you how we can have more control over the hardness of our lid and for the longest time you know I've I've tried to find out different ways of coding bullets um you know spray painted him I've done all kind of crazy things so you know I've heard Thor's AK 777 mentioned floor wax you know on on some bullets oh now he's not a powder coater but a Lubert but regardless I've thought of all kinds of different methods that we could use to coat our bullets and not heat them up so much or not get them up at all um - you know retain our vhn that we have at the water quenching that kind of thing so um um not to get too deep into this subject because this video is really about my new method and this subject I'm sure will be very fluid it will probably be talked about in some of the forums and other channels and you guys will be testing this theory out or not this theory but this method it's not a theory anymore and you guys can give me some feedback please just as you always do but so what I've done is um you know it's it's like pulling teeth finding you know different you know a load ultra-low a heat method of coding our bullets so I was like I'm not pulling my hair out anymore I'm going to try some different stuff here so I took the powder coat that we already have the forward light blue and um and I was I was I kept powder coating until I found the lowest temperature that I can powder coat these bullets at and still have flow out so the bullet on the powder coat flows out over the bullet and you know and and you get the sheen on it and you know it's melting in and that it stays in the oven long enough to cure to where the code is hard enough still to be able to use it just like we always do and and I did I accomplish that and this is a big deal for me um it's something I've worked on for a long time and kind of beat my head against the wall with it and I wasn't sure if I was ever going to come up with it but I didn't really want to talk about the you know the tempering of our bullets in the oven because I never had a solution for it so I don't like complaining about something until I have a solution for it is really where I'm coming from here um which isn't a big complaint of anyway because this stuff works so here's what I come up with I take my um here's the new method and I'm going through some follow up videos on this subject and I'm going to show young almost you know walking through an actual powder coating method but I think I have enough information where I can sit here and talk about this and and give you enough information to get started right away the cool thing about this new method is you already have everything that you need there is nothing new that you got to buy there's nothing you got to change except for the temperature of your oven so what I've done is I've figured out the minimum temperature that you can get flow out and harden up your bullet and so after checking many temperatures and then checking the hardness of the bullet to figure out if the pH n has changed at all because that's where I was going with this I wanted to know at what temperature can cure the powder coating on the bullet and still maintain for instance 21 B 10 or 20 B CH n whatever it was when it was a raw bullet after water quenching in so um so here's uh here's what I come up with i powder-coated them just like I always do or just how you always do in powder coat any way that you want if you're putting them in your tumbler you know if you're spraying it on I don't care you don't matter I just do the shake it up in the bowl for just a minute and you know you've seen my method and so I just used my regular method powder coated the bullets throw them in my wire mesh basket put them in the oven set my temperature um I set it first of all let me give you exactly what I've done here and then I'll give you some hints hints tips tricks that kind of thing of what worked for me on the here's what we're here's what we're trying to accomplish we're going to bake our bullets under 250 degrees that's what we want to do is I really feel like it needs to be under 250 I don't know if it's going to mess it up it's a tiny bit more than that I really don't all learn more later as I go but I thought I had plenty of information at this point just to come on here and if you guys do this and and maybe get some feedback so baking the bullets under powder coat of normal ways bake the bullets under 250 degrees for 13 minutes is what I come up with I know that's a weird number 13 minutes if it's 12 or 14 I probably no big difference you know um there is a little bit of a difference on you know the size of your your load you know if you're putting a larger load in there the temperature um I found these to go up a little bit if you're putting a very small amount of bullets in there the temperature needs to come down a little bit that's a fact that I've found so baking them under 250 degrees on this is this is what the temperatures look like right here this is what the temperatures look like for me I'm going to show you this you can freeze pose you know just so you can see and then I'm going to tell you what this means um so you bake it under 250 degrees on the I tested this with my PID controller on that Jonny's reloading bench sent me as a gift Thank You Johnny again I'll put my PID controller and just touch the tip of it to the wire basket while it's in the oven and and at five minutes I was at 225 degrees at seven minutes I was at 240 now this number right here to me was the most crucial I think that we have at least half of our 13 minutes or right at half of our 13 minutes needs to be over 240 degrees to 250 degrees all right own and so at 7 minutes I was at 240 at 11 minutes I was at 244 degrees I just kind of wrote this down and I've done this several times and this is where this is the method seem to get the job done at the lowest temperature so my idea is to keep it keep the temperature of the oven as low as positive as low as possible and limit the amount of time that the bullets are exposed to the heat so that that's not that's what the theory that I'm working on here so and I'm positive that you guys are going to find differences here that work for you no problem no problem but this seemed to be the crucial number at 7 minutes I really needed to go ahead and be at 742 Green's at least and so I recently at my lowest I said that 200 and my oven was actually over by like you know on a small batch it was over like 30 degrees already so and then after putting a big batch in there I had to set it to like 250 degrees so I was actually setting my oven between 200 and 250 degrees depending on the amount of bullets that I had in there at one time I'm just I'm giving you this information so that you can understand that you know there's changes to be made based on your situation and your oven but at 12 minutes I was at 247 degrees Fahrenheit and all of these degrees that I'm mentioning is in Fahrenheit of my highest temperature was at 249 degrees on my PID controller when I took the bullets out so um now oh let's see okay um so so I don't I don't mind I told you I baked the same bullets from the same batch at 400 degrees for 20 minutes and my bhn was like 11 or 12 and then the same bag um and it may be a little bit higher right now it may eventually work its way up to 14 15 16 we're in that area but but the the batch that I done so let's say okay oh yeah yeah another thing I wanted to mention all right now now you guys know that I don't normally when I pull my bullets out of the oven water quench them you know some people like doing that they feel like it you know helps break the bullets apart I've not seen a big difference there and pulling the bullets apart so I just I've done it a few times and now I just didn't do it no more but in this case um I have found that whenever I take my bullets out of the oven and I'm going to do a follow-up video on this subject and I'm going to show you the process how I do it and obviously because that's what I do I'm going to do a video on it but um but whenever I pulled them out of the oven and flip my basket over instead of all the bullets sticking um they just kind of fell off I fell out of the basket alright so that was something that was different and then I noticed that um you know but still some of the bullets were stuck together like they normally are so then what I done is I decided I would go ahead and do another batch and I would um this is after I perfected my method here I'd do another batch and I go ahead and drop them in water and I'll tell you man they just they just all just fell well I mean like nothing you know because whatever you know they just needed to be cooled down right away and they did you know whatever was stuck together just broke apart it was perfect so with this method um putting them in water afterwards really worked well so just throwing that out there for you guys trying to give you everything that you need to get started right away um so and then I and then I also tested the the vhn after pulling the powder-coated bullets out of the oven water quenching them and also letting them cool on their own and testing them now another thing to note is um whenever I had took them out without water quenching them I I took I did a big old batch of them I'm just at random here let's you see them I done you know just a big old batch of them and I don't know if you can see in this handful that I have here but they might have some furries on them because I threw all them on a towel and some of the cotton from the towel stuck to it I'll show you example of that right here just so you see everything and you can see what's going on here that that's not a mark from baking it that's actually you know from a towel and then I used a cotton t-shirt I use cotton t-shirt and and again you know what as bad as the fluffy towel but on some of the t-shirt material stuff to the bullet you know before they cool that kind of thing so they were kind of sticking to the teacher just so you know they didn't necessarily um you know I guess you could you know you could deduct from what I'm telling you that the bullet powder coat didn't cure you know wasn't hard obviously it's soft whenever we take it out of the oven anyway we already know this you know but in this case at this temperature um it actually picked up some lint from my towel and t-shirt so but that's when after I did that that's when I tried the water clinching okay now the next question that you have I'm trying to keep this video as short as possible and put this information out because I'll do a follow-up videos on the methods and how I do it and I'll show you that but the next thing that I want to show you is because you're asking you're saying well you know does the bullet bond well you know does the bullet bond well I mean you know that's what I want to know if somebody's telling me this so this one right here is just one of the glassy ones that I water quenched it remains glassy because it didn't come in contact with the t-shirt so let's take a look let's beat the mess out of it with a hammer I fired that one all right that's the bullet it's even hot in my hand right here thing heated right up hitting there like that you can see where I hit it with the plier when I had it with the pliers right there yes there's our trunk of the bullet and everything looks perfect here's the bottom of the bullet there's the top of the bullet does it bond you asked yes it binds I just you know I didn't never want to do this kind of method never thought to just because I thought it was useless never tried it never would know and I'm like man I'm gonna see what I can do now the next thing is you see I have red bullets here so for all of you guys that use Harbor Freight paints you're like well the forward light blue from Eastwood works how about the Harbor Freight yep there's a Harbor Freight bullet right there Harbor bright red I did that I used the same method same same method because I knew that you guys are going to be like little how about the Harbor Freight red - yep Harbor Freight red works and I actually did a kind of a shoddy job of coating them to begin with and they flowed out perfect look good service you know um what else do I have for you here yeah you know I mean I tried I tried you know I compared the regular way with the new way beat the heck out of the bullets um I want to see what one this is one right here that was done well you know what the bullet let me just show you I'll show you the difference between the one right here is the regular way and this one is the new method all right the new method the old method it's just it's basically the same I can't tell the difference um matter of fact I got them both in my hand here I don't know which one is which so I mean this is just great news for us you you know checking the BH enrol was the same difference I just you know I was so relieved whenever that bullet come out and and I didn't just test one of them I tested a bunch of them over and over the same BH in with the raw bullet same bhn and over and over again the method of heating our bullets to 400 degrees is tempering them it's annealing them whatever you call it it's softening the bullet so um so I was I was just relieved whenever this process came out and I got these results and and I've known this for a little while and you know just trying to clear my head and make sure I kind of got my eyes cross my T's about the subject you know as best I can before I give you the information so what it ultimately does it gives us a whole nother layer of just more control over casting bullets and powder coating bullets and the hardness that we want so um that's uh that's really it so whenever I showed you these beautiful bullets right here and you didn't see the difference it's because you can't see the difference but whenever you test them you find out that there's something very different about these bullets it's awesome you know I love it when I this was one of my favorite things to do is whenever I find some information that's just very useful for us and I play with this stuff all the time as you know um you know this is Elvis and those redneck research laboratories better known as Earl so I love it when I come up with something that's just very useful and you know and here's the so here's the here's the the information right there that's the method right there all right now I use my PID controller I know all ovens are different setting it at 200 so if you don't have a way to tell the temperature I'd start there and what you'll find is you know what will definitely happen is I'll give you this much that what you'll find is the the bullets will not have a sheen on it yet if they're not shiny yet if the if the powder coat has not melt it all down on the bullet yet then you know it's definitely not ready I mean that's and then it won't be long after you see that shine on that bullet like maybe you know just a just five minutes after it starts to shine and that's it you know it's done so there's another method that I just screamed up in my head that could work that's my idea youtube I hope you enjoyed this video please share this information you know because I know this is information that people will really enjoy be able to use get some good use out of it please share this video share this information I'll see you in the next video

Channel: elvis ammo

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Length: 28min 25sec (1705 seconds)

Published: Fri Aug 18 2017