Planetary Gear Set Operation - AUSV 2520

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I want to show you how pretty much every automatic transmission that has planetary gear sets works. And it's actually pretty simple. And I think once you see this demonstration, all the parts that you've taken out of these transmissions that we've disassembled these Allison's, and any other automatic transmission that you disassemble will suddenly make sense as to why they're there and what they do. But this is something that as a young technician, I couldn't grasp at first, but finally figured it out. So we've got in a planetary gear set style transmission, we have a planetary gear set. And a planetary gear set consists of anybody know what this is called? The sun here, it's in the middle. So think of our solar system. We have planet years, that of course, orbit around the sun gear, the sun gear rotates inside of them, those planets gears, these are the planet gears are held in place by this house, this part here called a carrier. So this is the planet carrier carries the planets. And that orbits around inside of anybody know what that's called. Sometimes it's called an internal gear, sometimes it's called an annulus gear. Most of the time that I've seen, it's called a ring gear, so think of like a ring on your finger ring gear, so we've got a rain gear, a planet carrier, and a sun gear. Now mathematically, if you change the size of the sun gear versus the planet gears and leave the ring gear size alone, you can change the gear ratios that this planetary gear set can create and all planetary gear sets can create some useful gear ratios and some absolutely crazy gear ratios that are not useful. They can all create to underdrive gear ratios and what is under drive me. Okay, so yeah, like low gear and your transmission first, second, third, whatever it may be, the output shaft of the transmission is going to be turning slower than the input shaft at the transmission. So that's underdrive. So there's two under drive gear ratio is one is a usable one is unusable. It's just an it's a gear ratio. That wouldn't work. Although it is underdrive. There's also two overdrive gear ratios. So overdrive means output shaft turns faster than the input shaft so one of those is usable, and the other one is insanely unusable. So on most overdrive transmissions today, the final overdrive gear ratio is around point seven turns of the crank shaft to one turn of the output shaft. I've seen as low as point five turns half a turn of the engine crankshaft gives you one turn of the output shaft, but not very often. Well, one of the unusable gear ratios in overdrive on most planetary gear sets is like point two. So it just it's mega overdrive, it's not going to work. There's also to reverse gear ratios. So one of them is usable one of them is not. And then there is what's called direct drive. And direct drive means what? The one to one input, the what? One, turn n equals one turnout. So that's directed graph. So these, these gears right here can make up a single planetary gear set and typically in a in anybody's automatic transmission, this is you can get two forward gears out of this, one of the underdrive gear ratios and a direct drive. You can also get a reverse gear ratio out of this and possibly in an overdrive depending on what the gear ratio is, but typically for each two years in a transmission, you need one set of planetary years. So the old Powerglide transmission had one planetary gear set in, it was a two speed. But when we have a four speed transmission, it has two planetary gearsets in it, and five, six and so on. This Allison transmission that we're working on in class is a five or a six speed, and it has three planetary gear sets. So pretty much two gears per planetary gear set. Now there are exceptions, there are some sneaky configurations where they can hook multiple pieces, or multiple gear sets together with a common sun gear or a common carrier. And we'll talk about some of those later. But let's stick with the basic ones. First, just a sun gear a planet gear, or planet carrier with planet gears and a ring gear. Now, these gears happen to be out of General Motors for L 60. E transmission. So that Chevrolet total we had in here, the 2007 Tahoe with four-speed that we had for the manual drive during class that had the these were called the input planetary gear set. And it had an output planetary gear set also, but two planetary gear sets. So let's let's do a comparison with the Allison. So here's four l 60. E, sun gear, here's Allison. Some gear. A slight change in size. But it's all relative. Here is the four l 60. E carrier, but I can't even lift it. That's the carrier from the Allison, and it has three of them that are very similar sized. And then of course, here's a ring gear. Also, so obviously a much bigger, more heavy duty transmission. Yes. No different concept. It's called the ring gear. Well, you can still get it, it's similar in some ways, because you can have a similar gear reduction, or, or overdrive, but planetary gear sets are compact. And one of the neat things about planetary gear sets that allows them to be used in automatic transmissions is how you transfer power through a planetary gear set. So unlike a manual transmission, where we had synchronizers and actually had to move, shifts, leaves and everything in and out to shift different gears a planetary gear set. Right now, this one on the portal 60 II if this sun gear was hooked to the input shaft, and this was hooked to the output shaft or driveshaft, and this is hooked to the ring gear by the way. Notice right now, if I turn the sun gear then there's no power flowing through the output shaft does not turn. So instead, we have to come and come in. And we have to hold one of these three pieces from rotating and rotate one of the others so on a planetary gear set to get reversed to get forward to get any of those usable or unusable gear ratios. Out of all three pieces, you always have to hold one and drive the other one or drive, there's three pieces. So you're going to hook power to one, you're going to stop one from rotating, and then the one that's leftover will be your output to the to the trance to your wills. And so in this case, if I held the carrier from rotating and turn the sun here it looks like I've got reverse right there. So there's one reverse gear ratio. But if I hold the sun gear from rotating, and let's say we hook to the carrier to the output shaft rather than the sun, or than the ring here, so I'm holding the ring gear, I'm going to turn the sun gear if we could connect the planet carrier to the wheels. Notice as I turn the sun gear, the planet carrier turns with the sun gear in the same direction, but it's actually turning a little bit slower. So this is an under drive gear ratio. So what I'm trying to show you is it's much easier to show it on the Allison just because of how it's designed is that once again, to get power through any planetary gear set. You have to stop one of the three pieces. We can Stop the watch, this will go into overdrive. I'll hold the sun here from rotating. And then I'll turn the planet carrier. And now the ring gear turns faster than the planet carrier that I'm rotating. And so there's an overdrive, but we have to hold one of the three pieces, turn one of the other three to get underdrive, overdrive or reverse. Now the direct drive is unique because indirect drive, you don't, it's the only one where you do not hold anything and prevent it from rotating. Instead, you connect power to any two of the three pieces at the same time. So if I connect power to the sun gear and the planet carrier, and rotate them together, it forces the ring gear to turn with it. If I hook power to the sun, and the ring, it forces the carrier to turn with it. If I hook power to the carrier in the ring, it forces the sun to turn with it. So there's three different ways to get direct drove here, easily connect the power to hydraulic solenoids to control the pressure to push, we're coming to that, but just when I say connect power, I mean, somehow we're hooking the engine to one of these three pieces. So engine power coming in, the output is going to move the vehicle through transaxle or rear axle, whatever, whatever it may be. So what I want to show you now that we've seen basic pieces of a planetary gear set is the how the Allison transmission with its three planetary gear sets can give us five or six speeds plus reverse. So let me let me get these two pieces. Actually, let me pass these around you can take a look at all right, so let's uh let's start let me back up over here on the bench and this is what I want you guys to do with your Allison's today. We've got this red holding fixture that that sticks out. And when you got your transmission disassemble, you're going to have what do you think the name of this part is with these little gears on it when a carrier so there are three planetary gear sets in the in the Allison transmission, this planet carrier is actually connected to the output shaft. So this, this flange right here, notice turns with the output shaft and the planet carrier. This piece right here with all these notches in it is the parking here. And I just wanted to show you the Allison has a massive parking gear. I don't know how wide that is internet engineer quarter So, but this is what's called the parking, Paul. And notice it's got this little hook on it. And if you ever accidentally on the hoist had the vehicle in gear, tires rotating, and then you accidentally forgot to step on the brake and you put it in park and you hear this grinding noise. That grindy noise is this park Paul trying to grab until it finally does. Now of course it was never meant to do that. And eventually it would cause damage to the parking Paul or the parking here. Both of which are replaceable, but very expensive. Of course, on the Allison, this is a gigantic. This is easily two or three times the size of a regular parking Paul saying that for L 60. E that we had. It's a monster room. It's made to hold a lot of weight. The last cross country series we have one that we requested that was engaged to the whole bus they kept on rolling in the train to a car. Yeah, it's not mad. It's not meant to stop the vehicle. It's meant to prevent it from rolling once you are stopped. Okay, so this is one of three planet carriers. Here's the other two right here. So we've got the P2 gear set, the p3 gear set and the Pone gear set. I don't have it labeled over here. But for Allison, as far as Allison's terms, pone just means planetary gear set number one p twos. You're set to be threes gears at three. And they're in that order from front to rear of the transmission. So the Pone obviously is closer to the front of the transmission, and then P2 and then P3. So those are the three planetary gear says. So now I want to start assembling these pieces for assembling the planetary gear sets. So you can see how this thing works. So every planet carrier has to have to be a sun gear to go with it. So here's a monstrous beefy sun gear. By the way, in between every one of these rotating pieces is a berry. And those bearings, there's a bearing down in here that sits in this groove, when you get these gears lined up, which sometimes can be a little bit of a challenge there, they're finally lined up, do not do this. You might as well take a hammer and smack the bearing with it because that thing probably weighs a pound that some euro by itself, so you can damage the bearing itself. Well, there's a sun gear that went inside the planet carrier. And over here, the ring gear for that gear set also happens to be connected to the planet carrier for the P2 gear set. So they connected a ring gear and a planet carrier. Together. This is called a compound gear set. So a simple gear set is just that for L 61. I showed you just with the three individual pieces, but a compound planetary gear set is one where they start hooking them together. Yes, so in before I can put that ring gear on, then there's another sun gear that needs to sit on top of this. And guys, when you put this Allison together, there's a spacer that goes in between these two sun gears. Like that. There's a bearing of course that sits on top, notice this bearing has been destroyed. Broken, you see the bearing. That's because when whoever lined this up, before we dialed tested, it did not get it centered. In the sun here they had it off to the side. It was the previous troublesome student and when they put it together and just kind of squished everything and, and broken. So anyway, there's two sun gears. And then in this case, there's what's called our intermediate shaft. So on this transmission, we've got the input shaft from the torque converter and the engine. We've got the output shaft that goes to our driveline or transport case. Table and then there's a shaft in the middle. Are these that going to connect? Oh, that they're upside down? is going to connect those together. Kind of a trick? Yes. All right, first one. Working here what was on the last year set on the back of the transmission? Did they put anyone on the transmission or does it have to be noticed it's on the output shaft because the parking gear physically stops the drive shaft from rotating which stops the ring and pinion from rotating which stops the differential case. Living in pin axle shaft that's the only thing holding you from rotate from rolling, which if you think about it, if you're parking on it a pretty steep hill and all you do is throw it in park. It can let go and did let go. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so I've got an intermediate shaft finally installed. There's great orientation, or to some gears, we've got one planet carrier. So now we've got the second planet carrier with the ring gear. It's going to go with it. Once again, this is a heavy part. We've got bearings in between. So we're going to have to line this up and carefully set it down. So now inside here, I've got a sun gear a planet carrier and a ring gear for the p3 gear set. But I've also got a sun gear and a planet carrier and planet gears for the P2 gear set. That's next. So notice the P2 gear set, ring gear is also connected to the P1 gear set, planet carrier. And there's a barrier right here that needs to be centered. So we're going to set that in place and set it down. So the gears that drive the vehicle are the set of their interview. We're coming to that. Hang on to that question. Alright, so now we need another sun gear, which is right here. And another ring gear right here. So let's put the ring gear on first. You guys are going to have to assemble your transmissions in this this same way. And then the sun gear is actually part of that big rotating clutch housing. Yes. He said the relationship of changing the gear ratio is changing the size of the Sun near to the to the planet. Yes. So the ring gear size isn't changing on any of those. That's right. It's the same. So is it like a different pick the size of the Sun here, you divided by how many people on the planet? ratio? The math is right there if you want to. Okay, so why don't we just ask like, how come you said before 16? Is uncompounded? How come? No, I said that one gear set. Oh, that was a simple gear set. But in, in reality, it does connect to the output gear set and becomes a compound. But a simple gear set is just like the Powerglide hat. It's just a single planetary gear set. The the sun gear for the Pone gear set is connected to the rotating clutch module. And can I get you to just grab that hole, rotate that big housing with the input shaft right there. Yeah, set that right over here. Just right there. Right, this is the rotating clutch module. And this is just the bottom of it. So all of you are taking this out, you either have it out or we'll take it out, we're going to today will take that apart even further. Because inside of that area couple of clutch packs that we need to talk about. But what I wanted to show you on this sun gear is that it is splined directly to this piece of metal that is splined on these notches directly to this housing that is splined directly to our input shaft, which means if our input shaft turns at all, and of course I can't get this to line up. There we go. If the input shaft turns at all, so does this sun gear, it requires no computer requires no clutches, it's just a direct connection to the engine. Once the torque converter transfers its power. We're going to talk about how torque converters work Friday morning. I've got a demonstration on that to show you but anyway, planetary or sun gear is our third sun gear. So now I'm going to set that right in here just like that. So now we've got three complete planetary gear sets here. We've got the Pone gear set, I just put the sun gear in. We've got the ring gear I just put on and then the planet carrier, its planet carriers connected to the sun gear, I'm sorry, the ring gear of the next planet gear set, and so on. But we've got three complete gear sets. There. They're all connected to each other. And so now we're ready to add a few additional parts. This shaft the intermediate shaft that I showed you earlier, has some splines right here. Well, this shaft if we remember went down and hooked up to some gears down below. Well, we happen to have another housing right here that has teeth. It's called the Cone clutch housing and it hooks to that shaft which means if this housing right here turns at all those to some gears turn because it's connected directly to it. There's another housing with splines, these set of splines right here connected to the planet carrier, and the ring gear for the P2 and the P3 gear set, and there's another clutch pack right here, clutch pack housing for a C2 clutch that connects to that. So what I'm trying to show you remember is a planetary gearset has to get power to flow through it, we have to stop something from rotating. And we also have to force something else to rotate out of those three pieces. So we have a way to touch every sun gear and every planet carrier with all of these pieces, so let me put this together all the way now. Okay. Now we have on the input side of all of these planetary gear sets, we can connect engine power to the Cone clutch housing, the C2 clutch housing, or this rotating clutch housing that had that sun gear to it. So these three pieces are going to individually or together be connected to the engine somehow. And I'll show you how that happens here. Remember, these ring gears right here are going to, they're going to be held and stopped from rotating by the clutch packs that connect to them. So in this transmission, we actually have five clutch packs. And let me let me show you one clutch pack right here. This is called the C1 clutch pack. And it's connected right to the input shaft that hooks to the engine. The Cone clutch pack, like every clutch pack consists of metal plates connected to fiber plates. And as you guys have disassembled or will disassemble your transmission, you've come across all five clutch pack sets. I've already showed you the Cone clutch on the input housing. Here's the C2 clutch or on the input shaft. Here's the C2 clutch inside of this rotating clutch housing. So the C1 and the C2 are inside of that big housing that we just brought up. And that those hook to the engine. And then here's the C3 clutch pack. And notice it's alternating still fiber, steel fiber. And what well, I'll describe how these work here in just a minute. So that's the C3 clutch. Here's the C4 clutch. And here's the C5 clutch in the back, very back of the transmission. Okay, so these three clutches right here, the C3, the C4 and the C5. They have teeth in them that spline to the case of the transmission. So did you see all those slots in the transmission inside the housing. So these steel plates fit down inside the housing, they will never rotate. They're locked in place with these with these notches, and then the fiber plates right here. push this out of the way, here's this, here's a C3 clutch plate, clutch fiber plate. Here's where the C3 clutch connects right here to the Pone gear set. So if I if I just pull those three pieces off, notice that the fiber plate splines right to that p3 gear set. So I'm sorry that the Pone gear set with the C3 clutch so this can spin like crazy with the wants. But when we want to stop that ring gear from rotating, all we have to do is somehow act like a disc brake and so think of This as being a disk brake with multiple rotors. So here's a rotor, here's a rotor is a rotor, we've got all these disks. So we will have a steel plate, a desk, a steel still play, and other days and other still played. We'll just keep stacking and stacking and stacking, the steel plates will never turn because they're hooked to the case, the fiber plates turn because they're hooked to the ring gear. So anytime we want to stop that ring gear, all we got to do is squish these together. Does that make sense? The transmission case itself is what's stopping? Yes, yes, the case itself through these steel plates cannot rotate. And so if we can squish all these steel plates together, because they can move up and down this way, then it stops all these fiber plates from rotating which holds this ring gear from spinning. So what I'm telling you is any time let's go back to the anytime a C3 clutch is applied, it's going to stop this ring gear from rotating. So now look at your little clutch application chart here. Notice anytime the C3 clutches applied, it's going to stop the Pone ring gear from rotating and what gears is that applied in reverse third and fifth Do you see that it's kind of a light green color right here on these charts. So in reverse, we've got the C5 clutch applied and the C3 clutch applied. In third we've got the C3 and the Cone in fifth. We've got the C3 and the C2 So in in certain gears we're going to stop this the C3 clutch from rotating. Now the same thing is true for the C4 clutch, the next clutch that's down in the in the transmission except the C4 clutch instead of stopping the upper ring gear stops this centering gear and the C5 clutch stops the bottom ring gear from rotating. So out of these five clutches, these three act like brakes. These are going to stop the ring gears of the planetary gear sets. Does that makes sense? These two, the Cone clutch and the C2 clots that are in that housing that rotates with the engine when the torque converter transfers power. They are the ones that are going to connect to pieces of the planetary gear set and rotate them and just happens to be that they're all sun gears that they rotate. So we've got this bottom sun here that hooks to the housing that has power transferred directly from the engine without any clutches. So that that's the sun here that's going to rotate. We've got to C1 plots that splines clear down to the sun gear for our nodes, the planet carrier, not the sun gear planet carrier for the second planetary gear set. And then we've got to C1 club with splines to both sun gears at the bottom. Now, every I told you if you can understand what I'm about to show you here next. The same thing applies to any trance any automatic transmission with planetary gearsets. The difference, the only difference is whether we're taking a Ford or Chrysler or GM. Toyota does not matter. I've had them all apart, or versions of different or different models of party in my classes over the years, they all have these. It's just that where they're located in the transmission might be different. Their size might be different, which parts are held versus which parts are rotated might be different. But so what it's all about whether we stop or rotate a piece of that planetary gear set to get our different years whether it's a two speed or a 10 speed. Automatic it's still the same principle. Yeah. How many years? Could they get out of that one? usable? Here's only six usable. Yeah. But a lot more gears. It's just that they would be your ratios that are unusable. It'd be way too overdrive away to underground. Yeah, it's their ridiculous numbers. So in order for them to keep adding, they either add another gear set or they do a tricky column. One thing that will, we'll come to later in the class, there's one called a Simpson gear set. There's one called a Peltier a gear set that, but there's still planetary gear says they just connect different pieces together. It is. So let's think about all of the parts that you've taken out of this transmissions. so far. Everything you've taken out of the guts of this transmission is related to clutches. And those clutches, the job of those clutches is either to hold or to turn pieces of a planetary gear set. So I don't care how many clutch packs you have or where they're located. That's their job. So remember, I told you inside of transmission, I like to think of there being three main groups of parts. This is the mechanical group right here, these are the gears, this is like your manual transmission. But then we've got all the clutch packs that do the holding, or the turning of all of those pieces. And then we end we'll come to this later in the week, we've got the hydraulic and electrical portions of the transmission to talk about also because we the valve body is what controls when these clutch packs are applied or released. So we've got the gears, we've got the clutches that apply and release them. These the hydraulics do the applying or the releasing of these clutches, the electronics are now controlled by a computer that decides when do you apply and release these clutches? And that's it. That is it. So I don't care if this thing has 367 pieces. Every one of those is totally dedicated to holding or turning one of these planetary gearset pieces and the timing of when it's done. And how it how it feels when it actually shifts, do we you want the shift to praying every time or you want a nice smooth upshift. And it turns out its variable depending on throttle angle and vehicle speed. And so there's a lot of a lot of inputs. Whoa, whoa, whoa, it changes when and how hard it shifts. Sometimes it even keeps you out of an upper gear depending on which transmission it is. But all of those pieces that seemed so overwhelming to me as a young technician looking at another auto trans guy, they were just clutches, and then in that in the with the clutches, we've got pistons, these are pistons, you guys have pulled out the C3 and the C4 clutch piston. These pistons are the ones that come in hydraulically and push on these clutch packs to apply them or to release them and so we'll explore the hydraulics. So we've got a clutch piston for the C3 and the C4 the C5 clutch piston is a little bit bigger, and it's spring loaded. Right over there. The C1 and C2 clutch pistons are inside of that rotating clutch housing. And so we'll explore those. But let's take a look at what I want you to do today with your planetary gear sets. I'm going to take you through all six forward gears and reverse and show you that it's actually pretty easy to do all of this. So looking at the clutch application chart on the back of your three ring binder or up on the screen. Let's take a look at oh let's see I'm sorry, I got to get the input shaft hooked up here. So here's our input shaft from the engine. It's got the Cone clutch on it. The Cone clutch is not applied. But I can flip this down in Okay, so our input shaft right here connects to the Cone clutch housing. But notice I can pull the Cone clutch housing from rotating and still turn the input shaft. That's because this Cone clutch is not applied. So that's the equivalent of neutral and park. We don't have any power flow through the transmission goes into neutral every time before it ships. Is that the same way? No, no. It depends on the transmission. The very few of them that actually do that. It's called the clutch to clutch shift. The others are called synchronous shifts and they use other pieces called them Roller clutches in sprags. And ratchets, when we do the 6070, the front wheel drive transaxle, it doesn't go to neutral in between shifts. It actually completes the next shift just one right after another without going to neutral in between. But they're not as heavy-duty because all those one way devices also break under heavy load. And this is a real man's heavy-duty, the sound of strength transmissions so they don't they take out all the potentially weak pieces. Okay, so look at first gear, first gear, what clutches we have to have applied for first gear. Does everybody see we got to have the C5 clutch applied and C1 clutch. So the C1 clutches right here, the C5 clutch is this bottom one. And so here's our output shaft, here's our input shaft. So all I'm going to do with my hand, I'm going to pretend I'm the C5 clutch, all I'm going to do is come in and stop that ring gear from rotating. And then I'm going to turn the Cone clutch housing, which is the equivalent of this clutch being turned and connected to the engine. And it tells us our gear ratio in first gear is 3.10. So 310 to one, so I should have to turn this input shaft three times little more than three times to get one full turn of the output shaft. This rotating clutch housing has to rotate with its spline. So these two have to turn together. So here we go. You're holding steady, and returning these two. Yeah, so there's one. It's hard to do with greasy fingers, too. So really, that's my first year. I'm like really, really old truck free and attempt. So 3.1 turns the input shaft gave us one turn the output shaft, all I did was held the C5 clutch which is the p3 ring gear from rotating. Alright, now how do we shift to second gear. Before we keep the Cone clutch on, if you notice, over there, it says two main pressure, we've got the C1 clutch. So now notice that to solenoid B, we have the C4 clutch, we'll see your C5 right here, you'll C4 here C3, C2 cone. So we just did C5 for first gear, go to second gear, we just keep turning the same two up here. But now we just move up one, one set of ringers. And to go between here and here, we have to go to neutral first, because we actually have to totally release C5 before we apply C4 which gives us no power flow through the transmission, which is that timing issue that we talked about. So now second gear is 1.8 terms of the input to one turn of the output. So here we go. Here's our output sticker. So here's one complete turn of the input and eight tenths of a turn. And we get second gear one 1.8 to one, right, how do we shift to third, C3 and Cone C3 clubs. So here's C5 C4. Now we let go of C4 and we apply C3. And we still turn the C1 pledge. But now we've got a gear ratio of 1.4 to one. So I'm going to hold the C4 I'm going to turn to C1 and the rotating clutch housing together. Notice the output shaft speeds much faster. And now there's 1.4 to one turns. See, or Now, let's go from fourth gear to fifth gear. What's the fifth gear ratio? No, I'm sorry, we went from third. Let's go to fourth gear. fourth gear ratio is one to one. So now we got to have the Cone and the C2 clutch on. So now here's the Cone right here. Here's the C2 right here. Notice we're not holding anything. That's because we're in direct drive. Remember I told you in direct drive, we don't hold anything we pick any two pieces and turn them together. So quite simply, I grab these two pieces. And I get one turn in equals one turn out any color two pieces or just have to be could be these two It could be these two, any of any of those three, we'll give you one, it's just in this transmission. that's those are the two easiest ones. Right now let's go to fifth gear, we have to go back and apply the C3 clutch. But now we're and hold it from rotating. But now we're going to turn the C2 clutch housing, rather than the Cone. Now this is overdrive, a point seven turns to the input one turn to the output. So I'm going to hold the C3, turn the C2 and the rotating clutch housing, it's a lot harder to turn, notice the output shaft is turning much faster. It's harder distractors are an overdrive. Yeah. And how does it make better fuel economy? It is only does it on nice flat roads, and you've got an engine with a lot a lot of torque. So that's a point seven to one, overdrive, in fifth gear, now after tooth are beginning in 2006 model year. And by the way, this is these are the guts out of a five speed. But let's do sixth gear anyway, how do we get sixth gear on a 2006 and above C4, which is this one instead of the C3 and fifth. So we're going to keep turning the C2. But now we're going to hold the C4. So now we'll get a point six to one overdrive ratio. Notice it's turning much faster. But there's a point six to one gear ratio. Right, the only gear left that we haven't done is reverse. So how do we get reverse, C5 and C3. So I'm going to hold C5 and hold C3. And then I'm going to turn the rotating clutch housing that's directly connected to the engine. So we're not using Cone or C2 at all. But notice now let's see we've got a four point 49 to one gear ratio. Whereas now it's turning backwards. And while it takes four and a half turns. So reverse is quite a reverse to get us back to back to one full turn. So now just a couple of things to get finished up with this planetary gearset demo, I want all of you to be able to do that same thing that I just did. First put all of these pieces together just like I put them together, feel free to come up and look at this, how it's assembled. But then I want you to have me come around and verify that you know how each gear is obtained. But let's talk troubleshooting here for a minute. What if the C1 clutch never worked? What if it? What if it didn't work? First? Or what could be in trouble? Everything that it's used in on that chart, every gear it's used in would not work? Does that make sense? spinning you can figure out what's wrong? Yeah. would reverse work? Yeah. It would Because see, one is not used in reverse. Only C5 and C3. When is it first? And fourth? Don't worry. The customer is not going to come in and go I can get it up the fifth by starving or would have just jumped in? they would they would complain that the vehicle won't move. Okay. So if you had the C2 clutch pack go bad don't they would say it won't go into fourth, exactly. So if C1 were bad we'd have first, second and third, but not for fifth or sixth. But notice reverse would still work. Because C3 and C5 are used for reverse. But now let's talk about C3. And this is a common failure on a lot of transmissions. Not particularly the Allison but what if the C3 clutch failed? What gears would not work? reverse third and fifth. So if anyone says my reverse doesn't work, you want to also go drive it and see does third also not work? Because that is a diagnostic. It's a it's the same clutch that's required for both of them. And you want to have an idea of what's wrong with the transmission before you take it apart. Yeah, that the transmission department next week is the one out of like a traverse right? That the there was a tsp where the plane is no reverse. And so we would lock it out of those gears and that's why because a clutch pack that wave plays a common clutch pack to something else. All right, let's look at C4. If C4 didn't work, we would not have second or six and then the big one, C5 e See five didn't work with the vehicle move at all, forward or reverse? No way. So if the vehicle doesn't move at all, C5 is probably not working for whatever reason. However, you cannot assume that it's inside the transmission. It could be an electrical problem. It could be hydraulic, it could be mechanical. But you know that something related to the C5 is the only thing that can prevent you from reverse. And first, assuming that hydraulic presses are still okay, and so on. So, one more time, planetary gearsets I don't care who makes the transmission. They all have planetary gear sets, all of them have parts that are held and turned to get different gear ratios. All of those pieces all over your benches are either the planetary gear sets, the clutches that hold them or turn them, or the hydraulics and the electronics that control whether or not they're held or turn. And that's it. So that should help simplify in your mind all of those pieces. And of course, putting it back together will help sequencing those pieces and doing another transmission. When we take apart that 6070 next week, you're going to see three more planetary gear sets but they're going to be these little baby ones. But you'll recognize same things planetary gear sets, clutches hydraulics electronics. And that's it. So that's why I say if you can understand this transmission, which is the easiest one to learn, the rest of them come much more easily. Alright, let's get to work.
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Length: 51min 42sec (3102 seconds)
Published: Fri Nov 15 2013
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