Pimpin' Ken On Pimpin', Kevin Samuels, Hip Hop Fraternity & More | Big Facts

one of my partners that i actually jumped comments with and snatched the jury with him and i you know he ended up getting his first prostitute so when he got his first prostitute he got three prostitutes so i go to his house one day i said it ain't funny it ain't funny but it is it's funny so i'm looking at we had a table like that i'm seeing all this girl i said man how you get all the girls man what's up i said let me have one he said which one you want i said i want the one that's light bright you know uh with the coochie candy stripe you see what i'm saying you're listening to big facts with big bank and dj scream live for first class sounds you know who it is dj scream big bang baby j time for another episode of big facts and today we got a special highly requested guests in the building by the name of pimpin what's up my brother how you feeling today uh ain't no no man but you know cash flow and airplanes there you go there you go you know now today man we look at popping little things dropping yeah today we we're looking forward to talk about uh just a little bit of your full journey you know what i'm saying the beginnings of your journey you know saying your transitions uh some of your obstacles and some of the you know dope entrepreneurship you got going on too so i guess the first thing management of the females right yeah yeah yeah but i guess i guess i guess we'll start with like your humble beginnings so you're from you from milwaukee now i was born in chicago born in chicago uh i lived at uh 47 59 south federal everybody know that's the project okay you know what i'm saying after we stayed at the robert taylor homes that we moved out to 130 and jeffrey the wild hundreds and then you know i kind of like kind of got a lot of trouble when i was young at 14 i was in the cook county uh hospital for attempted murder you know so my mom and i was like you know we got to get you out of here you know so i beat the case you know thank god you know because it really really means that but uh i beat the case anyway you know i stayed in there four months be you know going you know i was 14 years old one of the youngest dude you know ever in cook county and they supposed to send me the same child that's like the or at audi home that's like the detention center for youth but they sent me to cook county so i'm in there with gang bangers you know what i'm saying killers you know what i'm saying it's like just straight gutter it's the worst jail you'll want to be in your life but fortunately you know my daddy was a street dude so i grew up under my pops my pops was a player you know he you know he taught us a lot of stuff when he was kid so i was able to talk about things you know these older cats that average dude can talk about the penitentiary you know one in the county jail so that gave me a lot of respect they're like this little dude shot so that probably saved me from probably getting stabbed or whatever you know and uh so i never joined the game you know uh brother finney and brother black one tried to get me to be a disciple the other try to give me to be advice lawyer and it just for a sudden for for some reason i never wanted to be in the game you know so i never joined but crazy all my cousins his gds and vice lords so they some of the highest officials in there so i'm pretty much well affiliated through that so i so i went through that went to milwaukee you know man was a bad kid in school end up going to jail there end up in reformatory school there's a place called wales you know and that's gladiator school that's why i learned all my boxing skills you know i was fighting every day you know and then you know there was a couple dudes in there they had you know a little flavor so they would be talking about the pimping and stuff like that so i said i'm gonna try that pimp stuff when i get out of jail right you know because you know i went man i was the youngest dude ever in the in the state of wisconsin to catch a federal case man i did the craziest stuff ever man i tried to cast some texts that weren't even my name on it so you know you know i was illiterate at that time right i had to be the most illiterate stupidest person in the world so that brought the feds in so i called my first federal case you know for fraud or cat check cash whatever they call that but then you know there was some brothers in there that was shot so you know my first introduction to the pimping was when i was 16. so when i got out you know got out the little reformatory school you know uh a dude named star child star child right mm-hmm he uh he came to me he said man listen man you got a lot of flavor right he said man won't you ride with me so i would ride with him every day then one of my partners that i used to hustle with you know because back then i don't know if y'all ever heard of counter jumping well that's what we should do back there cause we ain't got no airplane we ain't got no uh pablo escobar or number that we ain't got no mexicans or not we just we just go straight to the money so we jump in counters and we were snatching money and so one of my partners that i used to jump connors with and snatch the jury with him and i you know he ended up getting his first prostitute so when he got his first prostitute he got three prostitutes so i go to his house one day i said man ain't funny it ain't funny but it is i know i know it's funny so i'm looking at we had a table like that i'm seeing all this girl i said man how do you get all those girls man what's up i said let me have one he said which one you want i said i want the one that's light bright you know uh white with the coochie candy stripe you see what i'm saying like light bright damn that white with the coochie candy stripe you know so i wanted the light the light's getting chick so he said okay man you can have her and that was the introduction to the game and that's when you started your management career that's when i started my management career and then the guy was [ __ ] [ __ ] right i had a rid of this right so so now here's the crazy thing the dude that was riding me around star child he had a he had a chick named bridget right so bridgette was she was a prostitute too so he was telling me how to knock girls and i ended up taking his game and knocking his girl you see upset that's when all the older cats got to recognize him and said he going to be a good p right i didn't know that one day i'd become the pimp of the year international people yet i would be the biggest national pimp you got to remember yeah you know my mentality was that of a hustler you say i'm saying my daddy was a play he was a crab shooter you know he had a few girls but he taught me how to shoot dice you know crooked dice and all that stuff you know it's just stuff you learn when you ain't got no dope or nothing like that around you you learn immediate hustle yeah facts you know what's happening so yes you know so so uh so so so now that i'm in the game right y'all know i'd have been on at least 40 million records so so all that stuff i'll be talking on them apples on pimp c albums and and uh e40 i'm on uh 50 cent me and 52 did the mixtape me and jermaine dupri remember we did that instructions back in the day with pepsi oh yeah i did two albums with little john i did uh five albums with pastor detroit so that stuff that y'all hear me talking on them albums i was talking that as a kid but you know the older guys couldn't talk faster than me so i was studying peeling them for the girls you know every time i used to get that girl i just give them a newspaper you know whether it was the milwaukee journal or the new york times whatever and put the banana in the newspaper say man read this in the news you've been peeled for your [ __ ] you know what i'm saying they got mad at me you know they would get mad at me they were like this [ __ ] to eat too swift right and then you know i didn't know that i was i didn't know i was kicking gay until little john now and all the guys started paying me to be on album i thought i was just being natural you know what i'm saying i didn't know i had a million-dollar vocal cord you know since then i've been on like 40 million records so total you know what i mean little job we might did about eight million you know it's just so all that led into that and then i became you know the pimp of the year i would win all the trophies i got up to 16 girls at one time you know too many dudes ever did that i'm probably going to kind of anywhere they're generating well you know people go platinum off albums [Laughter] i mean i mean it's facts this everybody watching they know me they know i truly drove the rolls royce some of this was on american hall all the parties that you see with them guys come from all over the world that was my hometown milwaukee shout out to the milwaukee bucks yeah chance no pun intended hey i've been here for years i i [ __ ] with a ladder yeah you know i'm atl down you know what i'm saying but but but so uh you know uh uh that uh i kind of lost my thought what was that yeah milwaukee the marketplace but all that's my parties all those are my part [ __ ] used to come all over the country to [ __ ] with me you know what i mean because i was the biggest pimp in the country literally you know what i'm saying outside of don juan don juan he like the godfather he i og you know what i'm saying he he from my city you know what i'm saying we look up to him you know him and and you know god and you know and uh seymour those was the top tier you know but i was the youngest fastest dude coming up and like i said nobody never got to 16 [ __ ] you know in our crew i was the first one to do that you know what i'm saying so you know what i mean we had i i i had a whole squad you know i mean i you know just like the basketball team with the nba males the npa national pimp association i was a 2-3 i was the 2-3 of the p you know i was in mca george michael jordan mecca how you um so you what do you apply like for like when you went legit with this [ __ ] right like what what you what rules you think you brought from from that game to this game well i wrote the book before they lost the game and when i in my book i talk about bank i say everybody's a pump in a hole either you're a pimp or you're hope i'm saying either she said that i just said that so what i in that book the reason why i was so successful you know and it was it was done through cvs by way of simon schuster he wrote the book of social security i i compared pimp into business you know what i'm saying me like you know you know your hoes are your employees you know what i'm saying so you know you you know you're our manager you know you got you know you either got management or damage there right yeah so you know what i mean in that game you know you're a manager so you're managing your product you know and then you got to you know you got to keep your books you know you got to make sure that they got everything that they need to close and stuff like that so you got to be a good manager of money you know and you don't even know that you're you're conducting business but you are conducting business and so i wrote the book the 48 laws a game yeah so in that book i talk about you know in life you know what i'm saying you either you like the the the big fat show this show is only the big fat show because you and dj screen put value on it you know like it's a picasso painting you see a picasso painting right you know what i'm saying a papa a picasso painting is worth millions of dollars well in the pimping we said you know i'm valuable i said you know i got to meet on my peter the longer you stay the longer you have to pay you see what i'm saying that's what i would tell them guys if you think i'm handsome give me my money in advance hey where'd he search at man i want some shirts with all this [ __ ] on me it's all in the book man you gotta talk about the book you know and it's not it's just like like like i said you know i'm the two i'll be petty special lettuce pickles i know the sesame seed vine if you ever went to mcdonald's that's the big mac you see what i'm saying it's the big mac so you always got to put value on yourself so when you when you take that value and you apply it to real life that's what this show is this shows value who there's a lot of people talking stuff like how many people getting paid how many people are getting endorsed by sarah you know that's pimping you know like what when uh i first started i started off as a whole with simon schuster they was pimping me who simon the shoes the publishing company so they gave me a deal listen listen they gave me a deal right right out of the box right right right right right but let me let me break it down so the first thing i got they said they can we're gonna give you 15 on the hard cover right but then it goes in and say but it reversed to 5 on the paperback so me not understanding the word revert it was that one bird got me pill so when i go and i'm looking for my royalties right they telling me like man you ain't got no royalties like what you mean you know i'm like i'm ready to go off i'm like man i sold millions and millions of dollars for books i said where's my money so me being who i am you ever seen me i understood that i was being pimped so now i have to figure out how do i become the pimp of the situation so at that time it was the advent of audio book excuse me so the audiobooks were just coming out so what i did was i said okay you know i'm gonna get these people to give me the audiobook so i offered them 50 000. they accept it so we went into the meeting you know and we're doing our transaction and so on and so forth you know i i i went on the internet and i copy and paste me a contract i put a effect lawyer name on there you know what i'm saying means a jewish name you know what i'm saying to make it seem limber you know put mr number name on there and all the attorneys we were sitting at the table like this and i put the contract right here and i put the contract right there i had to check i endorsed the check but i never endorsed it i'll act like i was endorsed it i flipped a check push the check over there i told my guys to bathroom i said let me sign the contract they signed the contract got up left the scene they called me back my publisher called me hey what's going on you know i'm saying you you owe this fifty thousand dollars i said did you read the contract i said i put in the contract i said that the the future royalties of the audiobook would come from the royalties of the book pepology so so i did the same thing they did i played with language you know i said i wouldn't i i i had to be a lawyer i got [ __ ] up no no go go go go to audiobook.com go to audible.com see who the owner is not simon schuster kid ivy i own that right i want to write 100 right to the audio now i could have went in there with a gun but you know pimps don't you know p pimp is a no contact sport so they pimped on me so i had to get my pimping in so i pimped on them back so now you know i'm saying me i'm winning you see what i'm saying and i'm not committing any violence i'm not doing anything like that and then another thing like you know my books you know i mean i pump my books my dvds you know i don't know if y'all haven't seen my movie uh pepe i said you know i hold up one of my dvds i said this [ __ ] don't argue with me we don't fight we don't dispute don't send me you know i'm saying no another pimp gonna take her they'll say this is my hope my dvd you know i mean i just flipped the script you know what i mean i don't convince her to do [ __ ] hey guys she's going to do it she understands that i took all of the negativity and i turned into position you know i'm saying so now you know we have several businesses we're into real estate you know i have uh the hip-hop fraternity you know i have my own publishing company i'm a literary agent i just signed boosie to a six-figure deal just signed uh ice-t to a six-figure deal just signed corey weiss to a six-figure deal now i'm dealing with the same company that initially pimped me now we pivoted with you yeah yeah yeah i mean i literally work with them yeah i'm saying i i negotiate contracts because i had experience myself i can negotiate boosie the best deal you know what i'm saying you know i mean if y'all know you gotta watch instagram i'm over boosting house all the time you know my friend and i we work with our local local choice liquor uh steve and i you know and we we do uh liquor deals as well you know we help artists get deals with the liquor so you know we we teach them how not to get pimped so at the hip-hop fraternity i tell people all the time on my artist you know i give a speech i said listen man if you give me a hundred dollar bill and you want me to sign you and that's 100 of your intellectual property what i'm doing i'm going to give you 15 cent back but i'm going to keep the 85 i'm going to get 50 i'm gonna keep 85 right so if you sell a million copies you get 150 000 and i'm gonna get 850 000 that's what the record labels are doing you know so that's basically what's happening so what i'm telling them is like if i come to you with the same scenario if i say what a thousand dollars for rolls royce or rolls-royce called what i know you got cell phones uh 400 the 500 000 right so that's 490 000 right 199 000. so if you if if you gave me your rose watch for a thousand dollars that's worse than i mean that's better than the i mean that's that's better than the record deal because the record deal you you're getting 850 that's double yes but when we talk about that on big fats when you if you come from an element where you ain't got [ __ ] and if you don't take that [ __ ] up deal you might end up dead in jail how do you how do you weigh them to then use a good hoe okay you know you're getting pimped okay the record labels are pimps and they're banks they're basically giving you a loan you know i'm saying they robbed you now you know the reason why i know this because i'm in the game so i know when i know gang good game recognize games so i understand when they run the game so when they're talking to me it's got to make sense like i said to give take take 100 of something that i created with banks he's the he's the producer you're the engineer i'm the artist and then we go and we give it to def jam or we give it to universal for a little bit of nothing what happens well what i'm saying is if you if you have to make the decision between stay in the element they say hold on you might get a better deal he's saying you myself right so i could vouch for that right i'm talking about stand up i'm talking about introduce yourself my bad bro so they'll know so hf chain there you go thank god but that what i was saying real quick i could really vouch for that because the way he spoke to me and gave me knowledge you can't sign me how the [ __ ] you gonna sign like it yeah we can do it we can we go we can joint venture because we can make something shape but where i'm at in my mentality i don't need that money i don't need that right that right now money it's it's really about the legacy but i guess what i'm saying is to the people watching if they're in a [ __ ] up situation and we've all been in or known people and i'm talking about [ __ ] up like you one day away from the fans coming or you and this [ __ ] up contract is [ __ ] up too hey let me tell you something what do they do let me give them some gains okay i'm gonna give y'all some game if y'all listening out there if you're in a [ __ ] up situation and you need some money and you feel that somebody come to you with a record deal do not sign it i'm going to tell you why because you're going to be in a more [ __ ] up situation i could give you a list of litany of artists who who y'all seen on youtube saying hey man my record label won't let me do this but recollect won't do me that uh uh this artist is suing this art this this this label you know and and people are really in some [ __ ] up situations he's saying is that wrong [ __ ] yo mama ain't got no money you can't even eat you can't eat you that's what's happening with a lot of our young ones but what i say is come to the hip-hop fraternity you upset me and what we're going to do is we're going to edit i don't even have a weight to get you i don't know what that project you said you was in that's where they at they 14 years old you're saying a [ __ ] ignorant [ __ ] who ain't got nothing going on nothing but all he knows the streets but he got talent you know what i'm saying but somebody does def jam done spotted him that's that's what i'm trying to instagram trying to tell you about the banks at the hip-hop fraternity we let them perform for free we feed them how do i get them so they watch it but i'm saying that they're watching all they got to do all they have to do no if they are they watching this in detroit michigan where's the hip-hop fraternity-based okay all right so that that's that's what about the [ __ ] who don't even know how to do that yeah it's it ain't got no management because that's our fault that's why some [ __ ] don't even know how to communicate hey well you know in my perspective man you know i i'm i'm 100 uh i'm 100 proponent proponent of independence you know i believe in autonomy so it's hard for me to tell somebody to sell their soul there you go but if they in a messed up situation you know one of the things they can do is what some of the brothers do at our our facility you can go get a job you know i mean you can work temporarily and you can just keep on whatever whatever you do just don't give up whatever the mind believed and conceived the mind could achieve a woman never quit and a quitter never win you see what i'm saying and you got to be humble because if you ain't humble you'll crumble and don't be an egomaniac you don't send me don't be an eagle man tell them dj screen their worst amigo is their ego that's your worst amigo your ego that's true most people uh most people fail because they they don't understand that it takes humility to win you know when you look at me on all them albums you know with with all these guys you know i haven't been in too short house i haven't been everybody mansion you know i've been around these people man and i'm strictly from the hood you know i'm the dude the last dude they might want to trust you know what i'm saying but yeah i mean they crib you know what i'm saying me i'm in their business i met their wives i met their kids because of my humility you know i'm saying even though i'm one of the fastest dudes in the game and you know i can knock women like that you know i can i can you know i'm cold with it you know what i mean but i'm still humble because i know if you ain't humble you'll crumble you know what i mean and you have to be focused if you change your mentality you can change your reality if you change your attitude you can change your aptitude and that's what it's all about you know looking at life differently and being persistent because persistence wear down resistance you know just because you messed up today i mean let me tell you something the best thing about life young man if you out there you know hey the things that you go through is what you grow through you know i'm saying you gonna have a major fall through before you have a major breakthrough so it's good to have adversity if you talk to anybody successful including a bank and dj screen and mama here you know i'm saying you talk to anyone who i guarantee they're going to tell you that they have more failures than they had success with this show but it was the failures that they had it was the problems that they encountered that allowed them to be to the point where they had right now so that's what you if you if you messed up that's a good thing that means that god got you right because god god gonna hurt you before he helped you and i know a lot of people understand that but you know if you talk to any person that's truly spiritual they'll tell you that you got to go through something whenever whenever you know hey what they say they say that the uh they say that you know uh with the storm they said they said uh the the rainbow the storm coming for the rainbow one to come before destruction you know what i'm saying so you you need man i i love what they tell you i love when every all hell break out i said are we here now i said i said the juices for the flow we feel the pop it now we feel we feel the breath we'll make this thing happen that's what you need you need to be in your worst case scenario and from your worst case scenario you'll get your best scenery i promise you mm-hmm yeah so let me ask you this let me ask you this just kind of to take it back like to the your management days so [Laughter] so look right so goddamn um so in your opinion do what was what the [ __ ] y'all made me forgive my goddamn you got a [ __ ] up no at least she had a choice be rolls-royce hey you didn't choose now you chose that baby okay so let me ask you this so as far as like relationships and things like that go do you think that hoes or [ __ ] or working girls are considered low value women and not an asset to a relationship well because of their perceived mileage and you know all the other stuff that they have going on associated with their job well you know in the game we say you know don't nobody like a pimp but hold on nobody like a whole but a pimp you see i'm saying so basically it's it's a community right yeah and these people you know what i'm saying they're relative to each other but at the same time you know what i've learned in my uh 40-year career their hoes are some of the most cleans the most uh you know they they they the most sharpest women on the planet you say cleanest you know they very clean okay i'm saying because you know i mean they got to use protection you got women i'm telling you man you just only the renegades don't use protection right well well yeah yeah because they ain't got no management they got damaged you see what i'm saying so so so i'm killing her over there yeah okay she's dead she died like 10 minutes ago yeah no but but but but but but what i'm saying is your question is that you know and every hole is a little girl right it's it's an innocent child you know i'm saying before she was a whole she was somebody's daughter right so you know what i mean what happened but what happened is most of these women they get raped you know what i'm saying i mean they get uh violated yeah yeah yeah and they lose the value you know i mean if you just imagine you you being a beautiful young lady and somebody violates you the first thing you say i would never have my virginity taken from the guy that i love you know what i'm saying i'll never be able to have that picture so she feel violated and they begin to to you know kind of go against men you know a lot of women you know i'm saying if you ever i don't know if you've ever been with a prostitute you know what i mean i didn't had them but they never been with what but if you ever with a prostitute she could be the most rusev person ruthless person in the world on earth you know i'm saying she treat tricks really bad you know they talk dirty to them you know because a lot of that is built in frustration so these women you know i'm saying they're in a situation where they've been violated and you know they don't feel no worth and then a lot of you know what i'm saying they grew up without father so they look for older men for father guidance for guidance and a lot of these guys you know they shop and they're intelligent and they know that they can you know just like any other uh you know animal that uh that hunter they pick up on that and find the problem on that deficiency they pray on these women and they pray on these women and then you got women you know they've been in the gang so long they become pros and not wholes what i mean by that they started choosing pimps and they they embraced their lifestyle so they began to work in that lifestyle you know because like 80 of the women that i dealt with i didn't turn out you know i mean they just they knew i was handsome i said if you think i'm handsome pay my ransom you know what i'm saying so you know what i mean i made them pay it like they weigh in you know what i'm saying so that that was a different lifestyle you know what i mean and that's how a lot of the women come in the game but a lot of people bring them in the game on something else and then they end up you know liking it and they end up liking the fast money just like a drug dealer you said 80 of your whole toes up they chose up they let their choice be rolls-royce baby i can't help it man yeah somebody chose my mom clothes you know i'm saying i got chosen with my mom i mean not but but what i'm saying is actual factual you can you i mean puffy even though puffy know me me and puffing and party together puffing and flew me into atlanta you know hooked me up in big old sweets and everything you know me and puffy you know i i've been to jesters in new york you know i mean we i've been you know all these guys man they've been knowing about us for years you know we used to go to the same events that they went where the same minks the same jury you know drive the same rolls royces and all of that you see them saying way back then so they didn't know what we do a lot of people say are y'all entertainers and we'll be like nah man we pimps they say pimps what is that you know so you know they didn't understand what it was but then you know then snoop dogg and all them they started loving the game and 50 cent all them they started like okay man we're gonna bring these brothers in and then that's when you know human trafficking came in so i got to tell about the bad side yeah that's what i've been saying so what's the yeah what's the weather so the downside to pimping is that you know at one time it was like a community thing you know i mean they should let us do our thing you know what i'm saying like they police see you in a woman arguing they said you and your girlfriend go home they didn't even know that there was prostitutes it was the underworld you understand it was like a secret society but one snoop dogg and all them and all of us got to talk about pimping we started doing all these movies and all these different shows kind of like frank lucas with the hat at the boxing match that's exactly pimps up hold down with it okay you know then you know you you look at it too some of it is systemic racism some of it was engineered too because you know i mean you got to remember the people who was promoting this with people who owned these major record companies they were the ones promoting the film video the other one was telling artists to talk about pimping in the album and then right after that you had the the human trafficking laws you know the human trafficking laws you know now if a guy's caught you know interacting with a prostitute on some pimping you know he can get anywhere from 20 years to life that wasn't like that used to be a slap on the hand so what they did was they manufactured this thing it's like if you look at scarface right before you heard the new sentencing law before you had uh you know uh the crack laws before you had the gun laws before you had any of these laws you hear what new jack city scarf not not scarface and new jackson so scarface made all of us want to be hustlers made us want to you know be like you know the dude in scarface you know like scarface and then needle brown he'd come in and he he introduced the world to snitching you know what i'm saying so you know i think so he's like the real brother you know what i'm saying get down he'll get down first you know who going to snitch on who first you know you got all these indictments but then you know you look at the sentencing law then you go look at cca correctional corporation of america correctional corporation america is a legally chartered organizat illegal business that is on new york stock exchange where you know it's the privatizing the prison you know they use the 13th amendment which allows them to uh incarcerate people and enslave them simultaneously because 13 members says slavery's advised himself for one duly commits a crime so when you commit a crime then you're subjected to slavery and i think it was named ava dubaray she did a movie called 13th it's on netflix believe me if you don't believe what i'm saying just go check it out so you know what i'm saying so so those were the things that happened the same thing happened to the drug law and with the dope dope game it happened with the pimp gang they they glorified it they made it hollywood then they came in they swam down they glorified peppa made it hollywood then they swarmed down on it and they needed new prisoners for these institutions so they say okay we're gonna catch them by the blind side they know how to sell drugs now they ain't riding around on 28th no more you know everybody you might you know i mean dj screen could be one of the biggest drug dealers i mean that's how drug dealers is now they're very discreet you don't know who's hustling no more so so so they couldn't really just catch brothers like they would they weren't slipping no more well pimping used to be out there you know everybody should be out there now dudes go up underground because they made them go on the ground same thing they made the drug game so you know i'm saying that's what i tell young people man you know if you if you uh mess with a woman and you're driving her to the hotel that's called human trafficking if you take a woman to a strip club and you're dropping off and you're living off the earnings of her money that's human trafficking if you get a girl for me if i'm a pimp and you get a girl from me even though she she can't do the game for you that's human trafficking all this carry light so it's not a good life so you know i mean if you if you're thinking about pimping or if you're thinking about getting in the game all i can tell you is that you're going to do life in prison so is that sad is that is that good is that is that a way of maybe saying don't do it well we know we know that the the culture of it and whatever is in your core is still there pimping right but is that a way of maybe saying that pimping or the pimping that you used to is dead well you know pimping ain't never dead because this is pimping you know what i'm saying you know i mean this is this is literally pimping my form of a pimping you're talking about about the the process the pimping you used to well i'll tell you this pivot ain't gonna never die right it's gonna multiply you know i mean the reason why i tell you because as long as a man got a penis you know what i'm saying me like corn and cotton that woman gonna sell [ __ ] just point blank you know what i'm saying i mean i mean i mean you got women today but you know the prostitute though we talking about the whole like selling [ __ ] thing or whatever so in your opinion again do you think that women that are in relationships with men that demand financial support or that basically tell the [ __ ] like in order to [ __ ] with me you got to do certain things or you got to do x y z do you think that yeah they hoes yeah they host they're essentially selling [ __ ] they hoes okay because you know cause cause cause and anger you know you break this part down no no disrespect to the mother right the first thing my mother used to and i love my mama to death she's always telling you need to get you a good man i got four sisters get you a good man get your man with a good job get your doctor get your lawyer you want to send me get somebody that's going to take care that's what my mom are telling them right you know what i'm saying they're my sister now that's what they looking for they're looking for somebody that's going to pay now they're looking for somebody who's going to pay their bills and then you get out and then you look at these women who you know who mother taught them the same thing and then you go to linux mall and you say oh mommy you fired she ain't no stripping she don't work in no strip club or nothing and she say you gonna pay my bills i mean you got something for me and have them do it for happy meal take me to mcdonald's and then laid out with a dude you see what i'm saying and that's to me is a form of prostitution you know what i'm saying but you know but but but at the same time you know the difference between a whole and a hooker that he'll get paid you know what i said i mean and who hooker get played you know what i'm saying she's getting played you know i'm saying and she's subjecting herself to all kinds of diseases all type of you know i mean she can get pregnant by a dude that might not never she might never see again she got to raise that child on her own and these girls but they would never say they prostitutes and then you look at you know you look at the videos today nicki minaj and all of them uh cardi b yeah about that they they basically you know what i'm saying they do the same thing that strippers do so what they do is they influence young girls and then young girls walk around here with their pants all up their butt and everything like that and they don't think that older guy ain't gonna offer them something you know but if somebody sees somebody looking like a home first they're gonna say hey can i take you out to eat hey can i buy you this guy buy you that and she might do it innocently not knowing at that point once she had that relationship that sex relationship she'd become a prostitute at that point she signed the contract to be a hoe and so it's a lot of holes out here don't even know they hoes [Laughter] i'm sorry but she asked a question a lady a lady asked a question all i did was answer yeah we got to break this down that's a form of pimping you know uh you know you you know i mean now you're arrested for that yeah well see but see yeah like if you if you if i had a warehouse full of [ __ ] doing only fans is that human trafficking not not if you go no that would be a media company right no no no no no no but but how you beat how you beat anything is you know what i'm saying you know basically you understand you read the laws and once you read the laws you understand what you're up against then you know what you can what you cannot do you know one thing i tell you don't live off the urges of a prostitute that'll get you in jail don't take an underage girl and put it in the streets that'll put you in jail do not force or persuade a woman to do anything that'll put you in jail you know but if you're a woman a bunch of women get together and you got a contract with them they're independent contractors and y'all only fan and and they signed a disclosure that's legal pimping you know i mean just like if you if if you go to vegas hey now here it is if you go to vegas you open up a whorehouse right you go to vegas open up a whole house that's legal you know prostitution is legal in vegas you know that's or a bunny ranch that's what they're called to do yeah that's what the money wrench was huh so if you was in atlanta right now what could you do yeah if that's what you if that was your stay safe stay safe because because they they got task forces out here that's waiting for somebody to slip and you know i try to tell you guys like man listen look at me man i come from the game now look at me i'm still having fun you know i mean i'm having money i'm doing everything you know and i just switched my game all i'm saying is go from the ghetto street to the exercise from the ghetto blocks to the wall street stock from the sewer to the entrepreneur you know i said we got to quit being consumers and learn how to produce you see what i'm saying just like you pimp a prostitute you can pill for cell phone you can pimp a show you know i'm saying you can pimp big fats you can pimp this you can actually eat you can get a check i mean they can suck into your pocket like a rocket just from big fats you know i mean just kicking big fat now if that ain't no pimping who come up with something called big fats and get paid for it and got big time sponsored and and get get paid you ain't got to worry about your kids going to college that's pimping big facts yeah see what i'm saying so what i want to show these young people is how to take that negativity and turn into a problem i'm the best example right you know former gangster you know what i mean former pip you know me and former street [ __ ] like the words i want to use you know i'm saying respect it on at all you know that i respect that where i go you know what i'm saying i mean i go to the crips the bloods the gds anywhere you know i'm saying if i go in compton i can go in uh soft decay north dakota whatever indicator you know i go on the west bank west side and i'm good with no security i'm just kidding i got my social security card i promise you i don't need no security so what i'm saying is that you know you still could be you you just got to be legit yeah you know what i'm saying you got to turn them like in my book i said you got to turn them whole hands in the dividends you know i'm saying you got to invest your money you got to become an investor and that's how you accumulate wealth you see what i'm saying but i won't talk about the hip about you you know we about to get to that i promise asap what how how how far away i know you're familiar have you ever checked out kevin samuels oh the uh the the high value man talk about the value of the world yeah do you feel like he kicking pimping or just his opinions or what are you doing with him at all yeah what do you think he's doing man let me tell you something man you know cause you say certain stuff like if a woman a certain age she's of less value a woman with a child is less valuable women who doesn't have who doesn't have a certain amount of money shouldn't go for a person with more money you know his philosophies well you know you know pimping and square life is like as far as the moon from the sun you know so so so so what we would call that we call that miss pimping and miss pimping ain't no pimping at all okay because a lot of things you gotta remember with the pimp it's all about the purse first ass last see what i'm saying so a pimp you know what i'm saying he wants you to sock into his pocket and for clarity he's not claiming to be a pimp he just this is what i well he's he kind of is pimping his platform because a lot of [ __ ] watch this that's what i'm saying but let me ask you but then but then they then they like unearth something saying that he was like the other way they started attacking him no but they had pictures of him like at different things he had like a perm and some other he was a capital well he's a capital in college so he had the pretty totally no no no nobody say that i'm just saying that he had he had some no but they were saying it was i saw it online somewhere that they were saying that he was he definitely got is he kicking any pimping the only way you could be a pimp you got to have a real hoe okay i'm going to be frankly with you you know what i'm saying that's how that's how i would respect you like if you came to the track that's where that's like which i would call metropolitan you know what i'm saying you come to the track the first thing we say man if you ain't gonna set one don't sweat one but that means if you ain't got a hole don't come to the table okay don't say me because if you hey if you ain't on the table you're on the menu you know what i'm saying you i mean so you know we're gonna eat all for you you see i'm saying your trick i mean either you gotta pee on your forehead or a t what i'm saying and that's how we look at it you know what i mean it's just it's no no in between it's no in between so a pimp lived by different rules you know i mean you know the woman they have to hold their head down you know i mean she can't speak to another pill i'm saying she can't uh be out there out of pocket you know i miss a lot of things a lot of rules and regulations that come with the game that are square it would blow his mind you know what i'm saying he wouldn't even know what to do if he was in that game you know what i mean that game is a serious game just like how some people talk about the d game the p game is really serious i mean it's like it's like 100. you know you got to really have a lot of know the rules and regulations otherwise you know the other p's you know i'm saying all team up on you they're gonna knock your [ __ ] and they're gonna serve you the news and blow your fuse and put your [ __ ] up on some new rules hey do you think the internet you think the internet was a gift for a curse huh you think the internet was a good flood curse well for a lot of pimps it was a it was a curse because you got to remember you know back then in in the 60s 70s 80s and early 90s you know if a woman was a prostitute she was in the streets right so therefore you know if she gonna be on the streets she had to have protection right so she had to have a pimp so now if you take your woman to the internet and you gotta at the holiday inn and she's doing say back pages or something like that right if she's on back pages then you know and she's got her own room and she's taking phone calls then you're insignificant now so what she could do she just go to she eliminated the middle man she goes days in and she can work now did you did y'all know i'm actually out of this question did y'all know that ninety percent of women that's on the internet that's prostituting are are uh uh independent have no pimps whatsoever so go back 20 years ago you couldn't even be on the streets unless you had a pimp uh you just like she said you're a renegade see what i'm saying that's what she said the renegade so you know they was considered a renegade so other hoes would beat them up because they're like you messing up my money and pills would sweat them and some pills would put them what we call they were like mutts kind of yeah like oh they get put on the pimple rest yeah talk to them yeah pepper rest is when a pimp see you out there you ain't got no instructions so you ain't got no no pee in here sweat you here make it hard for you to get money you know what i'm saying so yeah he always be in your business you know what i mean so you can't never get no money but if you gotta like if she was with uh big bank then they'd be like yeah man that's big bank girl don't mess with her you know what i'm saying better for them to be on diminished man well that's how they did it back then you know what i mean so now what i'm saying is that you know how they're accusing all these guys from being uh womanizers and being pimps and and taking advantage of women that narrative has has been destroyed because they realize that these women have psychological issues irrespective to a pill that the pimp could be used at some point as a scapegoat to make it look like i'm not crazy he's making me do it you know but she's going to do it anyway we're off of dr pep and if you think of lying you look at the 90 that i'm talking about that's horn on their own see what i'm saying so so so but but but it was a good trick by the united states government to say that these guys were taking advantage of them through human trafficking because they were able to fill their prisons back up because y'all know the prism says i heard about mass incarceration right you know that america is five percent of the world's population but 25 percent world's uh uh incarcerated black folks only comprise 13 percent of the population you know i'm saying we are north about 40 million but six percent of us meaning us the younger genera you know y'all the younger generation is eligible convicts people who can go to prison so out of six percent versus the dominant society which puts it puts them at uh what seventy percent you know i'm saying out of that 70 percent you got you got 51 percent of african americans in prison but only six percent of those but that's that's that's that's not including your grand mama your uncle you know the old folks and all that but it's only we're a small proportion of the of the of the population but we the largest proportion of the penitentiary in 1978 it was 240 000 people incarcerated 240 today is 2.5 million people incarcerated 50 percent of 51 percent of them are black they they they they gave us new jack city they gave us colors they gave us scarface they gave us pills up hold on american pimp and what it did is sent it straight to the penitentiary it criminalizes you know because in this society you got three choices you don't have game for employment your own business or you're gonna get welfare which you know they cut that out or you're gonna be a criminal so our entire community has been criminalized and what we're doing at the hip-hop fraternity we're trying to show them brothers a better way in about a day just like free delay hold on baby you ain't got to go that way man you know what i'm saying we got better we got better tools for you you know you you anytime you go into studio you make music you know you're creating value you know we teach them about that value we teach them how to open up businesses you know i do credit repair too you know so the people that come here you know my son i have him to fix their credit right now we fix their credit we raise their credit score you know we delete all of the negative increment inquiries and all that stuff after they credit and we clean them up and then we take them over to navy federal we show them how to get 80 to quarter million dollars you know what i'm saying i mean so these are the things that you was talking about them guys that i can help them you know uh one guy we help him get a quarter million dollars what he did he went to milwaukee bought like 15 houses you know because they cheap over there five thousand dollars a piece he fixed him up then he brought his friends over to us and all 15 of those houses he sold because we fixed all 15 those people houses credit and he made a big bankroll he made thousands of dollars and he paid the loan off now i think they've probably given him about a million dollar loan so that's what we do we teach them game on a whole nother level you know we teach them about the pimping system you know i mean you ain't got to be out there robbing you so it ain't just it ain't just for musicians to hit pot fraternity no no just for clarity for everybody no no we we got we got we got classes on psychology you know we got classes on business we teach them everything because these are you know our people are sucking are suffering from lack of knowledge it's a whole bunch of things that are messed up with us because like if you live in hood and he live in the hood you you got to be suffering from uh uh post-traumatic stress disorder if if they're doing it in vietnam if somebody's shooting you ducking all and you're riding and you're scared that same effect that happened to those soldiers is happening to us we got our children out here at eight nine years old witnessing murder what you think is happening to them so what we got to do we got to d we got to re-engineer them you know to some positivity we got to let them see people like myself who've been through what they've been through who can show them that it's a better way in a brighter day because until they find that out like like you know hip-hop fraternity and and you know we have our own social media it's called hip-hop fraternity.com so if you go to idea we got our own ig we got our own facebook see what i'm saying you know we got iced tea on the board you know we got mr corn on board we got uh uh a maybach music uh slab or m-m-m-g boo boosie is affiliate yeah that's my boy you know uh uh uh outcast i mean uh not okay it's a goody mom goody mom tila these are all people that endorses our movement and and represent us pharrell where's taylor ben uh we just did a show and uh and uh is he still doing music yeah yeah we just did a show about that that's correct two months ago it's on on my instagram real quick eternity got your son what what movie is your son on on netflix oh yeah one of my sons uh if y'all watched the movie uh all-american y'all seen that so you know all my all my kids all my kids my daughter got a master's degree i sent them all to college even though i was a street dude that's what i'm trying to tell you man it works you can change your life you know i'm a street dude you know i mean you know i've been shot you see what i'm saying it's it went down with me but i was still able to move my kids out to the suburbs you know uh my son even supreme you know i'm saying he's been in school you know all of them you know what i'm saying mother said he went to the academy of new york and film company out there in california now he had been in several movies he didn't did commercials for nike the nba everything he's one of the stars on that on that show we talking about uh you know all-american you know he's number 14 he's the quarterback season three you know so you know he's been in the movie called play the flute you know hole but he he just did a whole thing what's that uh 9-1-1 with angela bassett what's that called oh yeah the tv show yeah yeah yeah my son on there too so you know what i mean so i'm not just teaching these kids but i'm also you know charity started home then it spreads abroad you know this is my god son cheney you know what i'm saying he came to me looking for a deal you know what i told him [ __ ] ain't giving you nothing yes i ain't got no deal for you what i got for you is i got a record label i said you feel to be the boss i said i want you to be a boss i said i want you to own your own stuff i said i wanna own you i don't wanna get you no deal take a percentage out of your intellectual property so now he thinks like a boss he got his own record label you know he's doing his own thing he producing and putting his own stuff out you know dutch you know what i'm saying she she's the vp you know she came to us as an artist i said you bigger than an artist you know i said i said everybody probably think that hip-hop fraternity is all about men i said i want you to be the vice president we want to push women out for i got six six dollars i now push them you know i encourage my daughters i encourage her to say well because she's 26 years old she built the whole website she built our whole social media most of us that came in wasn't even coming in thinking like that thanking his bosses like you dealing with hip-hop fraternities or brotherhood so whatever i want to do i have a backing from all my brothers and sisters and they want to see you push through and they're going to teach you that boss mentality it's for everybody our site is up to 730 people right now they're all over the united states and europe we have people from canada all over i mean i even saw germany um we have a program called the hip-hop facts so we try to give back right we want to give them knowledge let them know exactly um how the deals work how publishing works how music distribution goes how um epk's what is an epk you know why do you need one um you know just basic stuff that people should know um when when used having power to negotiate themselves in a room so for example if they get a deal and they come to a record label they have more more uh negotiating power because now they're educated on epks they have their music on platforms they have um streams and ascap and bmi records where people can go and look them up and say okay you're serious about what you're doing you've been out for a year and you have this many views you know right um so yep education the website is popping it's growing every day and another thing man like like brothers like yourself dj screen we need y'all to actually participate because you still be big fats so we got people you know from all different walks of life different organizations that come and what we do we are think tank we're african-american think tank so basically what that means is that we put our resources together and you know you give us information about about the podcast and you teach the young kids about that so you could you could produce the next dj screen coming up in the podcast industry or big banks you know the next big bang and that's that's that's what we that's what we all about you know and you know it don't make a difference who you is or what you is you still remain we all state bosses don't nobody lose their identity and you know it would create a circle of group economics and group politics so therefore when you create group economics that mean when you create the 360 the money circulate within the community you know the average money bounce as dr anderson liked to say the average money balance you know in any other community eight to ten times and our community only bonds twice and sometimes they don't even bounce once you know so we we're spending 98 of our wealth with other entities you know saying we are consumers we're not producers you know that's a bad thing and not only that is that when you go out to alpharetto you go into a european community and you see them living lavish first thing says how do they get all that well how they got they got it off 100 of their money and 98 of yours which is the travesty so that's what we got to teach we got to teach them about economic we got to teach them about unity because their numbers their strength if we play the number game we're going to beat them all you know i'm saying that's why we say he got the shirt on that's one of our shirts i'll call you our call that's what we're talking about hip-hop fraternity is our culture our call this was created in the bronx in new york you know i'm saying this is most of the music you know jazz you go back to john coltrane uh go back to miles davis dizzy galaxy all that they created that you know i mean we created hip-hop but just so happy hip-hop was the one that popped you know i mean so it's a billion dollar industry you guys remember look at me i'm i'm in corporate america i deal with these people every day i'm telling you what i'm telling the conversation the conversation is hey can you go get that guy boosie can you go get travis scott can you go get that so all the artists out there that's listening i got the bag i got the bag i can literally get you millions of dollars literally it used to be the music industry they want our culture i'm telling you they want us they want us they they didn't ask me about bruno mars travis scott we just said uh uh a proposal over there a little baby you know for a book deal you know i mean we i just sent plenty of dudes we we talked to travis scott people they offer a million dollars for travis scott you know we we talked to his people he's on the phone we just couldn't get the deal done but i can get people millions and millions of dollars you know i am the dude with the bag literally you know i am literally a little i am an official literal literary agent yeah i'm saying right you know i'm saying so right holder right so how do they do it like if a [ __ ] wanted to do a book what did he do he just got them well if you just talk it and then they got somebody they're gonna write it for no no what happens is like okay i get i use boosting because boost would be the best example everybody know bullseye so boosie i contact busy bruce i want to do a book deal with you now boosie have to agree once boosie agree then we go and we look at his social media you know how many uh impressions he have you know uh uh how many followers we have and then once they see here in the million dollar category they can figure out that just through his marketing promotion that they get a certain amount of money so when they look at that that's how they that's how they assess the value of the book like busy may be worth a half a million dollars you know what i'm saying because he can to make a half a million dollars in the book game you only need to sell probably you know uh uh about 25 000 books so you double that that's a million dollars you know what i'm saying fifty fifty dollars you know i'm saying fifty dollars a book like gucci mane he's with the same company uh uh rick ross all of them are simon schuster i'm just a dude that a rapper could call they manager could call me and i can i can go and i can walk them in there and get them a big bag and how i work back to uh what banks was talking about is you don't have to know how to read you ain't got to know how to write all you got to know how to speak if you can speak i'll find your opinion i'll get you a call what would you do get somebody to transcribe it no we get a call after the ought to sit down with them and generally the author gets 50 because he's actually the guy that's like a producer yeah he's doing all the work and you can negotiate you know what you want your vans to be like most artists i try to tell them don't you don't want to you don't want a million dollars because if you want a million dollars that means if you sell only a million dollar book you have a good breakout but you know it's not gonna look successful so if you take a hundred thousand or two hundred thousand and you sell a million you didn't make 800 for the company now we can negotiate your second book already you know and plus if you make that then your royalties is gonna be more too because whatever you take they're gonna take it against your royalties so if you get a half a million you got to get that half a million dollars you got you got you got to recoup that before you actually see in the value yeah so so the less yeah yeah it's better than the rap game because if you did take the million dollars if you just you know a hustler you want to take it then we do we we negotiate we get you a million dollars then you can run and don't never have to pay the book you you do the book you never got to pay it back because because no no with the with the publishing company with the publishing company ironically you don't have to pay the advance back that's crazy right but with the record label it's it's a the record label is like a bank that [ __ ] comes off top yeah but a publishing company is a gambler you know so you look at you you look at a wreck a record company like u.s bank you look at uh a publishing company like caesars or mgm graham they gamble on you and if you don't if you don't recoup the million dollars back they say okay it didn't go it didn't go good but you know that's basically they suck it up pretty much yeah okay so so um what's some of the best um just a conclusion game you gave earlier if you're not humble you crumble you gave a lot of good game through this interview but what's the most valuable vitamin you would say to people watching namely young people in the streets you know what i'm saying like what's the vitamin that you would get them in closing from pimping hey man all i can tell the young people out here man well that's lisa appearance of evil expect the greatest amount of danger who can ever do you good can also do you harm you know wash the hook that's why i say wash the hook and never discriminate who you trust or you distrust investigate everybody investigate everybody because people that come in your face they'll be smiling in your face but really what they do they start at your feet and they end up at your throat you know what i'm saying they end up taking you out that's deep yeah i mean so you got to be very very very very very selective about the people that you deal with that's deep down and you know i'm saying me it's okay to let people go you know i i use the analogy if i had a 10 a 10 pound book pack on my back if i had 10 pound a 20 pound book pack on my back i could walk around that book pack for 20 years you know basically what i'm carrying i'm carrying date what dead weight but once i take that book pack out i feel like muhammad ali i can float like a butterfly's thing like a beat you see what i'm saying so you want to get rid of the dead weight of your life and if anybody can leave you let them go that means that if they leave me they ain't a part of my destiny you know what i'm saying i mean a lot of people let me give y'all one analogy that's gonna help y'all young people a lot but eagle is one of the most brilliant species on the planet you know eagle wings spread about nine feet eagle they don't even fly their sword you know uh eagles you know they can spot their prey miles and miles away you see them saying eagles don't even mess with other birds if ego see a pigeon pigeon sh it fly because that means he's flying too low you know uh you never see an eagle in the chicken hanging out you know i ain't got nothing against chicken i ate one today you know what i'm saying i ain't tripping on the chicken but the reason why is because when eagles make love they make love in the air right but the biggest mistake as brilliant as the ego is the biggest mistake that the eagle always make is when he get with a weasel when an eagle eagle get a weasel he zoomed down he grabbed the weasel and what the weasel does he bites into his chest and the ego is so desperate to eat the weasel that he don't realize that as the as the weasel was biting in his chest he's actually eating his heart off so after a certain while you see an eagle fly with a with a weasel after a while you see a descent it descends to his death so you know i'm saying you got to be able to let people go because some people can be your downfall and you got to just you got to just you just got to let people go and you know if you got partners out there they selling drugs they out there killing and and they're doing crazy stuff you got to let them go because they ain't nothing but weasels they're eventually going to take you down because you named me one dude you know what i'm sending me that so dope forever forever forever and then end up you know going to penitentiary if you stay down right you know i mean it's it's it's simple three years out 30 years in you get the ball for three years and then they coming to hit you with the ultimate indictment so you know that's one thing we got to do we got to make sure that we we're very discreet and our friends we got to pick our friends wisely uh we also got to remember that you know you got to be persistent you know and you can't never quit you know even when things look like it ain't about to happen you know you got you got to keep on going i think it was nebsy hustle that said it best you know life is a marathon it's not a sprint you know hey man listen man you know we we've been working with this hip-hop fraternity for a minute you know we had a lot of people leave a lot of people leaving and everybody's like why did they leave i said that'll go if they leave they ain't a part of our destiny i know you had people that y'all had people work with for y'all you don't know what happened to them they're gone that means they wasn't part of the destiny no but you got to let them go you know what i mean and when people you know i got degree and goodbye matter of fact the word good is in goodbye good is it goodbye it's good to say goodbye it's good to say bye somebody said it's so hard to say goodbye it's good to say goodbye cause the word good is in goodbye all right yeah you know we're we appreciate your time in the game give everybody give everybody the website and instagram again for hip-hop fraternity uh you can go to the hiphopfraternity.com uh that's the website my instagram is r-e-a-l-p-i-m-p ken uh on instagram same thing on snapchat uh uh anything else monday network monday oh yeah monday network we meet every monday at no cross and we got uh we bring a lot of artists we got mystico tomorrow we had the young bloods we just got rid of your guy that we did him we did trill bill so you know what we're doing we're giving our artists experience that they'll never forget we allow them to hobnob and mingle with people that are you know already in the industry you know what i'm saying so yeah that's basically what we're doing and you know like i said man go to hitpowerfraternity.com you know all artists is free we feed you free the food is free you get to perform for free and you get in for free you know all this come out of my pocket you know i spend this money every week out of my pocket because i got a passion to help the young people that's what's up and people always ask me what's my game i always tell them no game that's we don't run no games yeah we don't run no games so play so so people come here and they'd be looking for them oh man there ain't no motive [ __ ] we appreciate your time we appreciate the positive energy make sure y'all tap into the hip-hop fraternity triple w dot big facts pod.com salute [Music] [Music] you

Channel: REVOLT

Views: 898,738

Keywords: REVOLT, TV, music, rap, r&b, hip hop, Big facts, interview, podcast, pimpin ken, pimpin, prostitutes, Kevin Samuels, Hip Hop Fraternity, DJ Scream, Big Bank

Id: E0ahNrixapM

Length: 63min 37sec (3817 seconds)

Published: Wed Oct 13 2021