Piers Morgan grills the Kansas City Strangler | Interview with a Serial Killer (2/4)

[Music] this is the videotape statement of Lorenzo J Gillard a black m 524 of 50 regarding the following homicides number one Stacy Swafford next is the homicide of gndn kazin the next is Margaret Miller Next is Katherine Barry next is Naomi Kelly next is Deborah blevens next is an Barnes next is Kelly Ford next is Angela mayew next is Sheila inold Len here's moving good to see come over here how you doing today this took me all by surprise oh it did yeah what did you think was going to happen no no we're just having it's it's basically just an interview um and here's what I would say to you is this is your chance just to have your say okay okay no one's heard from you for a long time okay you good yeah I'm good man how long have you been in there where in here in prison yeah 11 years 4,289 days wow you remember them all I might I might that might be my first question for you this man is one of America's most notorious serial killers known as the Kansas City Strangler Lorenzo Gillard was charged with murdering 13 women he serving six life sentences he says he's an innocent man he has never spoken publicly before what will Gillard say to the families of the victim who've been denied answers for decades she would never hurt anybody and for somebody to do what they did to her if you had the chance to sit opposite him what would you say to him we're not stupid We Know What You Did you're the only person walking the face of this Earth that did that if he had a soul he would at least look me in the eye and tell me he was sorry I worked lots of homicide cases but I mean as far as the amount of victims that he had the length of time that this went on no I I can't think of anybody more Despicable than Gillard what Lorenzo did was just Stone evil stuff Lorenzo what the hell were you thinking what what drove you to do this where' this come from how'd you do that how'd you live those two lives a few hours before this police interview Lorenzo Gillard was having supper in a diner he hadn't killed anyone in over 10 years and thought he got away with murder Catherine Barry was one of his victims next is a photograph of Catherine Barry discovered 314 of 86 at 301 Central those your initials on the bottom yes do you know Catherine Barry not to my knowledge no have you ever ever seen her not that I not in my L I would have remembered though have you ever had physical contact with her not in my in March 1986 the naked body of Katherine Barry a 34-year-old mother of three had been found half hidden under a sheet of [Music] wood there was a black stocking knotted tight around her neck this is where Katherine Barry's body was found what was unusual to you about this scene the unusual part of it is she's partially covered I mean she's partially covered with plywood and leaves the thing is is that she's not out in the open like some of the others were and some of the other bodies were deliberately left in a a purposeful pose yeah most of them were left where they would be found and most of it I mean to me or to probably anybody else that will walk up and find that it would be shocking 12 of the 13 that he's believed to have killed were prostitutes who may well have had sex with him voluntarily before he killed them but certainly in Katherine Barry's case she was not a prostitute so what do you think he did to Catherine Barry you could assume that that she didn't have sex willingly with him she was raped and then murdered yes that'd be my assumption what kind of monster would do [Music] that how do you pronounce your surname Gillard Gillard yeah Gillard yeah Lorenzo Gillard was earning a good salary working as a supervisor at a waste management company he was married and living a quiet life no one suspected he was capable of killing [Music] anyone let me just ask you first of all what has life been like for you inside prison uh it's it's different you know I'm used to being able to travel have you know have do whatever I wanted to and here I somebody else controls it you know in the the 15 years or so leading up to your arrest your life seemed to be pretty per perfect you were very happily married to Jackie you were in a job that you loved and you were successful you become a supervisor you had very nice cars that you took great pride in you went on very nice holidays life seemed pretty good Lorenzo in that period for you yes it was yes it was girl I wish you hadn't brought up her Jackie yeah how do you feel about her now I nothing just I just missed I nothing I I don't I'm not angry with her she hadn't done anything she was nothing but a great wife cuz you had a good marriage right yeah to me it was I assume to her it was also here you were a man who had found true love with a woman that he really adored you had this very rare Mercedes where over $100,000 you bought your wife of Mercedes yeah but see we have five of them I kept we traded up not only did I have a nice car I had I had two or three Platinum Master cards two or three visas Platinum visas I had a platinum discover I had a gold Neeman Marcus got a Rolex watch right I had yeah I traded in my I had a psj At first she bought me a PJ at first and I traded it in and got a Rolex because one of the inexplicable things about all this is why somebody who was having such a wonderful life apparently would want to commit offenses like this I I think imine I didn't you know do do you think you're a violent person I get angry just like everybody else you know uh about stuff that out that I found out true about what what really makes you angry [Music] lying so Carl we're now turning into Tru Avenue and this at the time of these killings was where many local prostitutes would work is that right right that's true they would walk back and forth down Troop Avenue Gillard was without a doubt very cunning he was very cunning you know he's the kind of guy that you would not expect like a lot of serial killers he was very uh meticulous in uh what he did uh he was careful he didn't he you know he didn't have a lot of friends he didn't associate with a lot of people so you know nobody really knew much about him to suspect him of anything Lorenzo Gillard was living a double life at work he was popular and respected Lorenzo was he was a good guy he was always eager to help or happy to help and he never complained and just just did his job and did it with a smile Lorenzo was the kind of guy you wanted out in the neighborhoods you wanted interacting with customers I liked working with him just took him as you found him good standup [Music] guy Gillard had made it out of a tough neighborhood and was living here in a comfortable suburb of Kansas City this was the house that we lived in at the time and that was the house that Lorenzo Gillard and his wife lived in he's someone I I knew from day one I I would never trust one of the first days that we had moved in we were bringing a TV home and to get the TV in I was going to back the the truck into the driveway he said I want you to come inside and look at something I want to show you something he came around from the corner from a bedroom evidently and had 38 pistols in each hand and he told me this you see these this this is mine this is my wife's and if anybody comes in my yard I'll shoot him that's not normal behavior that's not normal normal behavior it wasn't 3 years later he was arrested and they found out who their neighbor really was Gillard was given six life sentences without the possibility of parole the 53-year-old sanitation worker will die in [Music] prison how do you feel Lorenzo about the fact that you are sitting here as a convicted man as one of America's worst serial killers how does that make you feel I hate it I truly hate it and I wish you wouldn't use that term again while we in a conversation the phrase serial killer yeah and and and America's worse right cuz then I'll get up I will leave right because I don't I hate that why do you take exception to that because that's it's just that's wrong that's not what does it mean to you that kind of phrase why why do you take such exception to it that's horrible that's that's best work I I can term you think serial killers are horrible people and you don't want to be Associated no uh-uh and that term yes I don't want to be you've been given a a tag which you hate and you don't want me to repeat it because you hate it so much but it's a tag that you know is now associated with your name if you put your name into the internet up comes Lorenzo Gillard and serial killer you know that it's not me I'm not coming up with it myself right um and yet you find that tag really offensive because you believe you're an innocent man no I don't believe it I know I am okay when Katherine Barry the mother of three got into Lorenzo gillard's car she was mentally unwell and vulnerable leaving her family at home she would walk the streets of Kansas City trying to educate people about God her daughter Dawn was 16 at the time of the murder Dawn you discover that this was a serial killer who killed your mother did that make it worse for you to know that she was just part of this Monster's indiscriminate spree yeah made it really hard to swallow to think he'd gotten away with it and had done done it that many times um yeah it made me angry made me really angry she would have been a very easy target for him how you could do that to such a kind and sweet Soul I'll never understand a person with a heart couldn't do what he did Gillard has denied even meeting Dawn's mother let alone strangling her to death how will he react when I confront him with the faces of the women who were killed [Music] she too was found shoeless like all the victims and placed in a sexually suggestive post her body contained the seen of the defendant and no one else the crime started back in 1977 and Spann three decades women strangled between 1977 and 1993 Lorenzo Gillard is guilty Beyond A Reasonable Doubt of murdering the first degree for the deaths of Katherine Barry the murders of Catherine Kelly Kell Kelly Sheil Sheila and carolene hibs first photograph I'm showing you is Sheila ingled do you know Miss ingled not to my knowledge no I don't this is a photograph of Stacy Swafford I didn't know her have you ever had physical contact my eyes no Kelly for have you ever seen Miss Ford not to my knowledge photograph of Connie Luther not to my knowledge nope I don't know her neither you don't know her have you ever had physical contact with not to my knowledge carmelene Hibbs do you know Miss hibs not to my knowledge let me take you to the moment when you arrested you remember that oh I remember like it was yesterday tell me tell me what happened in your own wordss these two black guys came in and asked you know was my name was L I said yeah said well uh we' like to talk to you downtown I said who are you and he told me they was detectives did they tell you what they wanted to talk to you about no he just said he wanted to talk to me did you have any idea I I didn't know what they was talking about but you know you were shocked yeah I was shocked so when I get downtown they got to show they asked me about some show me some they said uh do you know these people here some one picture at a time I said no I not to my knowledge I don't they showed you photographs of 13 women no it wasn't no 13 it was like five or six right yeah they and they asked if you'd ever met them yeah and I said no not to my knowledge you know then I think they asked you I think I'm right in saying they asked you two questions about each woman they said have you ever met this person and have you ever had sex with them yeah and you said no no no to all of no I said no to not to my knowledge yeah right yeah not to your knowledge yeah yeah and none of these women look familiar to you no these was little bitty black and white pictures so you know I couldn't I and did they then tell you why they wanted to talk to you no uh-uh so when we got to talk and then I said man what what do we what what are you what are we talking about I just want to um look at some pictures here these are some of the people they showed you the pictures same thing these are just a few of the the images uh Loren yeah see they weren like that though see this this picture here is Sheila Engel now that's the only person that they actually you did know her no I didn't know her but but she was a friend of the woman you were seeing at the time right right you've never met her never met her never seen her do you recognize her now no uh-uh never seen her before in my life this this was Katherine Barry this was Katherine Barry um have you ever seen her I've never seen her doesn't ring any bells at all no she never rings a never rang a bell this was gwendaline kazen she was just 15 it's obviously not a good image of her but she was very she was the youngest of these victims 15 year old girl I've never seen her never knew her what do you feel Lorenzo about what happened to all these women because they were all taken off the streets they were all strangled and each strangulation apparently took several minutes I mean it's a gruesome way to die right I know what do you feel about what happened to them I feel bad but then nothing I could do about it one of the things that just stood out to me was that when we went to his apartment to do a search was how extremely neat he was I never really seen a man be quite that neat incredibly tidy clinical precise everything was yes everything was organized it was all very clean yes uh if you went to look in a drawer he could not only tell you what was in the drawer and what order it was in and I found that very unusual for a man does that tell you that he was a man who liked to be completely in control yes that's exactly what that indicates and when you look at the Precision with which he carried out these murders and the way he left these poor women again it was all very orderly it was very carefully executed [Music] yes her body was found at 45th in Garfield almost 3 years later 15-year-old gwendle and kazen was found dead at 1312 poo a wire still wrapped around her neck next was Margaret Miller in the 1970s and 80s Lorenzo Gillard was living within a 2m radius of where many of the bodies were [Music] found the last woman he was accused of killing was Connie Luther her body was found here with a Sho string tied around her [Music] neck you were working me streets for seven or eight years when we now know Lorenzo Gillard was picking women off the very streets you were on I feel extremely fortunate that I survived but for girls and women who this is how they made their livelihood Ood This Is How They survived what were we to do we had to take our chances you didn't know who this killer was what he looked like how old he was anything I know for myself you know I would get in a car after I tried to look for obvious things and then I would just start praying I mean I was in a constant prayer you know and I know that's some people don't understand that but you know um when you're hungry or when you have bills to pay and this is all that you know and this is all that you've known since you were a child you know you do what you do and it it was scary you know that these girls are getting taken by what they think is a client and they're being taken to horrific deaths yes yeah so that's what's going through your mind you know the whole time that you're in the car when you're looking for your friend and where is she and no one's seen her and then now a body's shown up and you're waiting for the name and you find out that someone you knew was murdered I mean it was a terrifying time for everybody your sister um ended up sadly as a prostitute didn't she what what impact did that have on you I don't know how to answer that it didn't have no impact one way or another how did you feel about her being a prostitute did you feel sad about that yeah uhhuh because I you know I tried to give I wanted her to wanted more for her than that you lived and worked in an area where there were lots of women working the streets at night lots of prostitutes what is your view of prostitution I I have frankly I didn't have one view one way or another you know if that that was if that's how they work to make their money I guess you know you didn't find it a um repellent profession I don't know man I don't I can't I don't know how to answer that when you say repellent what you mean I found it disgusting I hated it yeah I don't know I am not I don't know what to say about that have you ever had sex with a prostitute I don't know you don't know no you wouldn't forget would you if he was at back then Man clubs was Club when we when clubing no matter you know women just they might have been working the streets at night but they've come to clubs so you know I don't know but have you ever paid a woman for sex no no I haven't never never would you ever if she look good enough probably I would I don't know I I I I ain't going to put myself never put myself in that position no I I I don't know man you basically I I was always T you you pay pay a woman for sex all the time if you buy a drink a a dinner take her out and buy do anything that's paying for it do you think all women are prostitutes basically no I didn't say that that's what you're implying and I'm going in our conversation now because you you taking things out no because you're taking things out of context I didn't apply that I don't think I am taking things out of cont I'm trying to work out what you're telling me you just said when I said to you you know what do you feel about paying women for sex you said well you pay women for sex all the time when you buy them didn't and then you don't call them PR you call but my question was about prostitutes so obviously when you answer the way you did I don't think it's irrational of me to then think you you look at all women in that way so if you want to clarify that please clarify it no I don't look at I'm not trying to be unnecessarily hostile I'm just reacting to what you're telling me so explain what you meant most me and when you got you know when you take a lady out what do you want to have sex right so you buy her dinner buy her or take her to a movie in hopes of what having sex with her later on I don't think always has to lead to sex is it I mean man either that if they don't you're gay if he doesn't lead to sex you're gay yeah that's what man you you trying to that's be that's what's you're trying to pretend like that that that's not never in your repertoire you know you ain't never seen a beautiful woman or pretty woman and said well you know Buy lunch and hope few drinks and hope we go to the hotel or go some place no but I wouldn't assume that that if I didn't have sex with a woman after a date in my life that somehow that meant I was gay that it was an automatic thing it would always no no I didn't say it was automatic it always be entirely of of the choice of the woman and by the way there are many many dates that happen every minute of the day that there's no right okay consequence of sex I the first time the first time out but eventually that's what's going to lead up to right you're right you're very angry understandably if as you say you're an innocent man you're very angry what do you I'm sorry if I put you know it's just I'm getting tired you know of I I didn't kill these people now I'm 68 years old I don't have when you putting trying to put words in my mouth or Twisted to you know I honestly don't want to put any words in your mouth if I had have had sex with him might have paid him Gillard says he's never had sex with any of the women he's convicted of killing so how will he explain that the seen found on their bodies was [Music] his Lorenzo Gillard is telling me he's never even met the women he's convicted of killing any suggestion that he has gets an angry response when you were interviewed by the police originally you said you'd never met any of these women and not to my knowledge and to your knowledge You' never had sex with them right just to clarify you never told your lawyer you had sex with any of these wom no I never did he just made that up I guess he did I never told him that if you're going to keep saying that then I'm get up and leave because I keep telling you I didn't tell him that Lorenzo that's beginning to piss me off I didn't tell him that I don't have to lie Lorenzo I I have no dog in this fight I'm just trying to work out what happened you keep saying over and I keep telling you over and over I didn't tell him that [Music] right gilea will spend the rest of his life in prison but he nearly got away with murder for years police were were finding the bodies of women but they had no suspects and no idea there was a serial killer on the [Music] loose then one November morning in 1987 they found a semi- naked body of Sheila inold in an abandoned van this murder would eventually lead to the capture of Lorenzo Gillard almost 30 years after he's believed to were first killed [Music] this is where Sheila Engle was found right there right there the Vans were parked out here in this [Music] lot the canas city Strangler killed Four Women in 1987 the busiest year among them she IIA ingold's body was discovered in an abandoned van on Tru Lorenzo Gillard had a personal connection to Sheila inold he was dating her friend she was the 10th woman he's accused of killing but it was the first time the police would link him directly to a murder Sheila Engle was found here in a van gilard was right there and that tan build over there and it used to be a fish market and he was there getting fish the day the body was found so that was the first time that you were able to place him in the immediate proximity to one of the Dead women yes Gillard admits to being at the fish market while the police were on the crime scene for Sheila Ingo one of the the main things that led us to uh believe that gilard was involved was Charles Barry told me that there was an individual that wanted to look at the van who is Charles Barry Charles Barry was the individual that had the the car shop here that owned the vans so the man who had the store here said that a man named Lorenzo came and inquired about that van yes and he didn't want to see any of the rest of the Vans he wanted to see that particular one even though he was told that that particular van was just one they use for parts so you now have him opposite where her body was found and you have him inquiring about trying to get that van yes and you put all that together and what have you got a [Music] killer Gillard was questioned blood and hair samples were taken but there was not enough evidence to charge him what was curious about uh her death was that you were just opposite where her body was found and also you'd made inquiries about buying the truck no I a know nothing about no truck you never made any inquiries about no uhuh I just want to go through the thing that happened to you in your earlier life and I want you to tell me just honestly what your reaction to it is yeah um between 1969 and 1974 you were a suspect in five separate rape cases but you were never convicted yeah what do you remember about those cases one of them was a girlfriend uh that's what that's in 1969 that's how it start so then after that whenever in the neighborhoods where I lived in the hood whenever rapes came up I guess they to rest you know see who lived in the neighborhood in 1975 you were charged with raping a friend's sister near the Missouri River you were charged with beating and raping her you told police she was lying ultimately you play guilty to molesting the girl and you got a 9mon sentence in Jackson County Jail do you remember that yeah I remember that what happened there I don't know she's passed away and her sister is passed away that's who I was living with was her sister and I don't want to discuss that what happened with that in 1980 you assaulted and threatened to shoot your wife who then divorced you the next month you assaulted your ex-wife twice you beat and Pistol whipped her is this is this true no she lied was it an abusive relationship did you hit her no you never hit her oh she hit me yes I guess I ain't going to lie I did you did you did hit it yeah the reason that they arrested you and then charged you and indeed why you got convicted was that they found your DNA on all of these victims bodies so what they say right but as you know that's why you got convicted right and the odds on this being anybody but you according to a forensic expert in court is one in 18 quadrillion that's one in 18 million billion chance that it could be somebody else other than you I mean these are extraordinary statistics in this particular case it was it was shocking that all 13 of those cases existed but up until 2004 there had been no resolution to them so many victims so many cases it's 13 people that was the biggest we'd ever seen in in Kansas City's history 12 of the bodies had seen on them but detectives had no way of knowing they were all from the same man the murders went unsolved but then in 2003 over 10 years since Gillard had last killed a grant from the federal government enabled DNA analysis of those Sean samples we had Lorenzo Gillards a blood standard from him that was actually on file in our freezer um and it had actually been taken in conjunction with the Sheila inold case we pulled the standard and decided to run it to see if we could make an association or cross him off as a potential suspect there was a moment oh my God it was the same profile it was a very exciting resolution so that there was finally an answer to all 12 of these cases that were now connected to one person Gillard has always said the Kansas City Police framed him he insists the DNA samples were tampered with degraded too much for accurate testing or lost I'm trying to work out the truth here because obviously you're facing at the moment the rest of your life right in this prison yeah for crimes that you say you didn't commit I did not why would the police frame you do you think don't know your guess is good as mines they at that time my my assumption was they was trying everybody was trying to make a name right but what makes no sense to me Lorenzo is that they arrested you years and years later they were just told by the DNA laboratory guys this is the DNA we found on the bodies and the one match they found on every one of those bodies DNA was your DNA nobody else's no one else said interview and I don't understand why so much later down the line they would have any vested interest have my BNA to to match it to anything well they had it from when you were tested tested when back in the I I I well you know when you were tested right I've never been tested I've never they've never had no but they had your blood and they had your no it was destroyed in 1998 but during the process of them interviewing you and arresting you over Sheila and 's death they did take samples off you they took blood samples they took hair and they took saliva right no no saliva they just took that back what did the what did you give them blood and hair right that's enough for them later when DNA testing came in to get your DNA from that from those samples but your argument is those samples were destroyed those samples was destroyed but when they arrested you again years and years later in Connect ction with all these offenses they did more tests on you didn't they no they didn't get no DNA from me then they didn't no they didn't take any blood tests no no more samples no they did not the police arrested you for 13 murders 12 okay 12 but it was 13 in court and they never took any samples of no never did so you've told me that his Mr Gillard alleges his sample was never taken again in 2004 um and we we have a sample in 2004 that was taken from him that we we used for DNA analysis so I know that's um that can't be true essentially and not only did we have his DNA on our victims but we also had victim's DNA on items taken from Mr Gillard then 2004 they took a brand new DNA standard from Mr Gillard and once we completed analysis on that we went back and checked to make sure that standard matched all cases it matched the 1987 blood standard that we had from Mr Gillard um so everything across the board was consistent it was all the same person you have very good memory incredibly precise memory about everything you can remember specific dates going back decades and yet you occasionally have erupted with anger and threaten to leave and and it's it suddenly fires up out of nowhere I've shed a lot with y and gotten nothing in return from what what do you want in return from me nothing just nothing I just get I I felt offended I guess what were you offended by the terms that you use and some of the questions what would you say to all the families of these women I'm sorry what happened to them that's all I can say I didn't do it but I'm sorry [Music] Margaret Miller has discovered 59 of 82 37 in Garfield do you know or did you know Miss Miller not not to my knowledge no have you ever had physical contact with Miss Miller not to my knowledge have you ever seen Miss Miller nope not to my knowledge carmelene Hibbs do you know Miss hibs not to my knowledge no have you ever seen Miss hibs not to my knowledge no have you ever had any physical contact with her not to my knowledge no no not to my knowledge not to my knowledge not to my knowledge I came no I didn't know her nope not to my knowledge have you ever seen her not does it matter to you whether I believe you or not no not really I don't know why after you walk out of this room I you you see I I think you're a plausible talker you have an answer for everything but I found some of what you've said about women a little bit disturbing I think other people will too you've admitted to potentially being a violent man we know you have a record of convictions for sexual assault and for violence I thought you I thought well well you have you have criminal convictions for assault and for violence right you do have you don't you haven't contested that when you put it all together and you have the police saying there categorically in their words to me there is not a one in a 100 million chance it was anybody but Lorenzo Gillard the DNA from him directly matched each every one of these women it's very hard to look at you Lorenzo and see an innocent man okay then then that's it so are we through then if you don't yeah that's good as any part of you and I'll be straight with you you've always denied all this despite the overwhelming evidence overwhelming evidence DNA that's DNA is pretty overwhelming okay according to the police okay according to anyone the studies of DNA results and who else did it but the the canc City Police Department well let me ask you this then if it wasn't you who else was it I don't know I don't know you have you got any theories no I don't know I I don't know man I truly don't know the problem I have Lorenzo is that you go from being this charming well spoken polite man to somebody very different very quickly and so you go to somebody that I could imagine if he was angry and he was pushed enough could be very dangerous so what what these women made me angry or pushed enough to do to make me hurt them you tell me I'm asking you I they couldn't have done nothing they couldn't have done nothing did they disrespect you I don't know how they I don't know how they could have disrespect me I didn't know them yet your DNA was found all over their bodies okay but you know that all right all over their bodies come on I know that wasn't right it was in the in their sex area with uh Sheila Engle it was a spot on her leg how did they get there I don't know you never met her you said I never met her I don't know uh I I just purely don't know what was your defense in cour I truly don't know I was just there you have no idea what your defense was no I read I you were you were charged with killing 13 women by strangulation and you have no idea what your defense was do you think I'm an idiot Lorenzo do I look an idiot to you can I going [Music] back have a good day y'all thank you all right here this is y'all [Music] tonight Lorenzo Gillard will go back to his cell as he does every night and reflect perhaps on how he could have grown old with his wife Jackie the woman he told me he loved instead he will die in prison a ser serial killer whose past eventually caught up with [Music] him when you don't have your mom there's a part of you that just that that missing piece that you have growing up you never get over it you just get the feeling he's managed to avoid having to deal with of this in terms of accountability yeah nobody's I mean since the trial I'm sure nobody's been in his space to tell him he's done no interviews no nothing he's not had anybody do it to good and he unnerved him as a human being we all have that innate compassion he doesn't have it having spent time with him I actually think being incarcerated for the rest of his life for someone like him might be the best of all punishments that actually brings me a little bit of peace to know that he's suffering he should suffer because he devastated us and we can't get it back so good I'm glad to hear that he's quite miserable I hope it [Music] continues [Music]

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