#PGurusPrimeTime with Francois Gautier on his new book An entirely new history of India

hello and welcome to pigura's channel it's my pleasure and honor to have the company of francois gautier on our channel one more time francois namaskar and welcome to p guru's channel um franzwa it's been a while since uh we had you on a hangout with p gurus much has happened corona has happened and uh you know we we're all you know grappling with this i know i think when the last time we spoke you had just gotten back from france and you're talking about how you had to you know when your way through delhi and so on and so forth how are things with you where are you these days puna or in pondicherry where are you these days well i just came from delhi then pune and naam in pondicherry and probably going back to pune next to pune and delhi next week a lot of travel much more difficult now but i feel that i have to continue moving that i cannot be stopped by the coverage absolutely and and that's how every one of us think that's a mindset that we all have um francois um you've been an author you're a published author you've had many books in the past and you also have this museum in pune which you've been trying to portray the history of india plus all the different things that the mughals did especially where he has very meticulously maintained all the atrocities he had performed on the hindus how is that thing going franzwa yeah i feel that you know books books are wonderful and this book that i have written i have lots of hope in it and i think it's doing well but they have a limited shelf life right so a museum i felt you know would be something that would outlive me and have a more lasting life than a book or an article or whatever the power of a book an article i think they have a power both visible and invisible but the museum is something which i always felt that is will last a long time the only thing is that it's a very difficult task because first uh the first problem is that indian history is a very touchy subject i mean the moment you talk about the moguls the moment you talk about hindu genocide that i have done or goa inquisition or even you know the the shakti of shivaji maharaja there are a lot of turmoils you know a lot of people who were offended or hurt so difficult task secondly difficult because to raise money a french man was building a museum of indian history when mr modi was chief minister of gujarat he tried to put me in touch with some you know wealthy businessman at that time he was a very you know he was in the center of india and he had a great grasp on a lot of things so he put me in touch with two three people and uh they received me because it was mr modi but in the end they told me no you know we are more comfortable with women empowerment and health and education this is a very touchy subject so so i i never got the kind of money that i was hoping for to do a world-class museum instead you know people give five seven ten thousand fifty thousand maximum one lakh so i get some money i do a small building i put one exhibition then i gotta do i guess so i have 16 buildings now and maybe 20 exhibitions i'm doing a new one on vijayanagar because you know it's part of the hindu genocide and it's the last great hindu empire that was based on goodness and dharma and then another one on tarabai because she was an extraordinary uh heroine and one more on the rani kituchenama and then i have one on the shakti of shivazimaraj and one on the vedas so i keep going on and making new exhibition but you know with a shoestring budget because uh only the indian government could give me the type of money i need to make a you know i need about 15 crore which is not a huge amount but i met so many of them i met mr modi after you become prime minister i met mr fatwa yes also when he was chief minister of maharashtra and he had placed five crores but his uh if bureaucracy sat on them and told me that i was not eligible for that some so i never got one paisa from it so it's a very difficult time but still you know i i keep going on because uh i feel it's probably the best thing i have done in my life absolutely and i could not agree with you more francois the history of vijayanagara and also of tarabai how she had aurangzeb on the run towards the end of his reign he could not spend one night in peace he was always afraid that she would come and ambush him that's not the way for the great emperor aurangzeb to die i mean he had to pay for a lot of the sins he committed as an emperor so this is fascinating francois and and now i'm stuck in india i mean i'm stuck in the united states i don't know when i'm going to make my next trip once i tried to make it to mumbai it was raining a lot at that time so i couldn't plan to come to pune this time i'm going to spend a little bit more time and i'm definitely definitely looking forward to coming and seeing you there we'll we'll work on that but the most important thing today the thing that we're going to talk about is your new book an entirely new history of india so you have been associated with you know this museum so that perhaps was one of the things that spurred you to write this book but perhaps you can tell our viewers what to expect in this book of yours for as well right you know i i came to india by accident or by faith whatever you call it i became a journalist by also by accident of faith and my eyes were opened in kashmir actually because i covered kashmir in the 90s say from 1990 till 2000 and there i saw what were done to the hindus of kashmir for no reason other than their religion so that opened my eyes and started studying in unistry aurangzeb of course you know and but so many other shivaji maharaja and maharana pratap and and the moguls and then i realized that indian history has not been written as it happened so i started writing books i mean again i'm no historian but i did a lot of research and so i started writing books and this book is the most complete the most revolutionary i think not only for me but in terms of indian history ever written because either you have books which follow the british model which standard to you know downgrade india you know to uh to have dates which were not correct to have events which are not properly recorded all the marxist history you know from nehru you know all these marxist historians whether romila tapar or reference habib in india but then you have people like tuchke or wither or zhafaru in france so the entire india history of india is mostly false it's built on fake icons you know fake icons mr meru propped up for instance ashoka and if you study ashoka i mean ashoka is politically correct because because he became he's supposed to have become a buddhist after seeing the horrors of the battle of kalinga but as she was studying in the industry first ashoka was a very very cruel emperor it was called chandra choka ashoka the cruel because he massacred a lot of people and also it converted to buddhism for political reason before the battle of kalinga because he wanted to counterbalance the uh the power of the gents at the time the gents you know and there there are different sects of the chains they had a lot of political power different emperors were not associated with so to counterbalance them he became a buddhist so the entire history of india is like that like indians didn't master the iron but if you look back you see that they actually are a lot of mastery of the iron that indians didn't have horses but they did have horses although they preferred elephants because elephants had you know a more vedic symbolic uh significance for them you know i saw so from from from this time of the iron and the horses then alexander the great you know who actually is portrayed as a very very victorious march into india but actually if you read it again everything is there it's not that i'm inventing everything he had a lot of problems he got wounded in india he encountered fist resistance he died from that wound that he had in india he was very interested in indian spirituality or he met some sadduce and even brought back one of them to greece so then you go to ashoka and then you go to you know the entire history of india needs to be rewritten properly i'm not saying that you need to glorify india but both the dark side you know indians have suffered so much from invasions from from alexander the great to them to the uh to the muslim invader the greatest genocide ever is that of the hindus i mean i have an exhibition in my museum on the hindu genocide i even according to the ancient encyclopedia britannica you have the hindu kush 500 thousand hindus taken as slaves who perished of cold on the hindu kush it's a huge holocaust and thereafter it was named hindukush the massacre of hindus uh to all all the muslim invasion to orangzeb to you know to timu who killed a hundred thousand hindus in the day it is recorded it is recorded that in one day you know timur in delhi killed a hundred thousand hindu can you imagine what it means in term in those days there were no you know machine guns and you could kill a hundred thousand people in a few hours you know by sword it was an incredible butch butchery incredible genocide so the dark side of indian history has been swept under the carpet uh bought by the british and by mr nehru and also the glorious side we were talking about tarabai but there are so many hearings of india of course the iranian afghanistan the most well known but there are so many of them you know i mean today india i thought that the land of rape there have been the bbc and cnn you know they have kind of painted such a dark image of india of a place which is you know dangerous and polluted and dangerous hindu hindu fanaticism and dangerous for women it's absolutely untrue absolutely untrue so i'm trying to prop up all these hair rains i have a series of exhibition on all these arrows and in my books also i speak about the runny of chancey of course but so many others then you have for instance what is called the first independence war of india which actually was a mutiny to reestablish the mughal throne the entire purpose of this great mutiny which again mr neru you know propped up at the first independence war no he is actually perverted because it was a very bloody there was a lot of excesses from the muslim side a lot of massacres of english and the people were put back on the throne the last mughal emperor and indeed he was put back on the throne but then the british defeated them and he was exiling to burma where he died there so we need to set the record straight which i have done and there are so many things now archaeological discoveries linguistic genetic discoveries the famous aryan invasion which has divided india even today even today you know i shuttle very often from delhi to tamil nadu and i've seen tamil nadu that still this you know confrontation with the hindi confrontation with the aryans confrontation with the brahman comparison with the vedas it's all based on the fake theory that some white people came to india you know from western ural or russia and then they imposed upon the tribals and the dravidians the original inhabitants of india the hindu religion you know the veda the caste system entirely false i mean great sages like some of you cannot assure me though said it but today there are proofs that linguistic proof archaeological proof genetic proof recently they've been genetic research which show that indians have the same genome they have the same genetic ancestry all indians so you know and yet the history of india today is still resting on this aryan invasion that has divided india politically and genetically and and it saddens me to see that so this book is you know for me the best book i have written the history of india i wrote it in french first and you know so so the french public is a different public so i had to make it balanced and then it was translated into english and now it came out into english and i feel that you know it's a very important book not because you know it i just you know i just use the archives that exist in india the knowledge that is there in india and wrote the book according to the facts it's just a factual book how far back in history are you going to start uh frazier yeah from the prehistoric time i mean it's a book it's a book from the praise eric time till to that in mr modi till article 370 because again you know we see that that misunderstanding and that prejudice that is attached to india is again you know uh when the article 270 was removed by mr modi uh it was very well misinterpreted in france in my u.s there was no proper proper fact given by the journalists so it's very sad so i it goes from the prehistoric time till article 370 till today um that's great to know uh francois i i have always wondered you know if you look at the khyber pass which is how most of the invasions took place into india at its narrowest point it is just 16 kilometers 1 6. has it ever occurred to any rajput king in there on that area that if they built a sturdy wall there that they could prevent these guys from coming in have has your research shown anything like that any even an attempt to do that because remember that the adjacent kingdom the chinese kingdom had built a great wall which ran for thousands of miles correct correct yeah yeah actually i drove upon the kyber path when i came from paris the first time we drove from paris to delhi so i drove on the kyber pass and of course at that time i had no knowledge about indian history but yeah it did enter my you know my mind that it would have been actually but it you know the chinese are very disciplined and you know so they have that discipline and that i i don't think that any of uh of the maharaja and the rajputs ever thought about it i don't know i have never come across any any hint that some king some emperor thought about building a wall to to prevent invasion which started very early as you know it started from the seventh century onwards you know the invasions and they all came through the kaiba pass i think the the british were you know that's why the british made the capital in delhi it made sense that you know that you defend you know the entrance of india which was delhi of course punjab and delhi uh do that made sense today it doesn't make sense anymore every time i go to delhi i i feel that it's the wrong capital for india of course this is another matter yes now um i i think to just to add to your point bin qasim was one of the few who tried navigating the sea to come to india but then after that there was a lull i mean the indians fought back of course they he didn't establish a small kingdom uh defeating rajada here the the majority of the conquests have taken place through the khyber pass so that's just an interesting thing that at least you would think one king one tribe one entity would think hey if we damn this thing you know there's nobody who can come across and then they could have saved themselves a lot of uh grief and heartburn afterwards but uh be that as it may you know we we have to see what you have to see where did you get the research for people like tarabai and rani chanama and so on and so forth so i my museum we employ professors of indian history uh talabai i have a professor in udaipur professor case gupta with a specialist of that period i've already done with him marana pratap and uh so he's directing that and then we have a team of painters and the professor of history gives a brief to the painter and the peter does the black and white sketch and once the historian approved then he sent it to me i approve and a proper color painting sign and data it is done so this is how we we do most of our research some of them you know like tipu sultan or you know the goa inquisition i want myself to go out i was very surprised to see that there is hardly anything left of the goa inquisition though there's a bgp government there for 10 years there is no nothing in museum there is no marks left of the places where people were crucified or tortured or you know so i'm very surprised that indians do not seem to care about their past they don't think that the past is important whereas we in the west we try to preserve the past you know we try we think that the past is important to be preserved both it's true in the united states too though it has a much shorter history than europe but you see that you know the car all the kaiba kaiba scene and the indians you know however for clergy which you know it's because the past is important to them and in europe it's very important you know the celtic and civilization very important to the french and all the great warriors and poets you know of right from the you know before christ uh you know are there so but in india i i don't think you know that's very that's why i have problem with my museum also lots of time people come to me and say some of them say it you know nicely but why do you want to stir up stir up the past you know there is no need let it be let it lie and some other come you know aggressively saying you know why you want to create communal disharmony why are you doing that are you an enemy of us so there is that thing in india to and we see that in terms of monuments that uh people do not care so much for monuments and you have the the archaeological survey of india you know which is then puts barbed wire around the place you know and then starts charging you know uh foreigners to to to to come for an entrance fee uh so so there is no that's so that's why there is no museum of indian history worth the name in india i don't think you know there is a museum like mine i mean there might be some garment museums which are very dusty you know and very you know not nice you know so we need to revive that in india this thirst for the past india such a long and great past much more glorious than europe much more ancient you know i'm writing i wrote a book on ayurveda you know this like six seven thousand years before christ you know people had knowledge already about the body about the mind you know such an ancient knowledge and yet people in india are educated according to british standards to western standards it is very sad today even today after so many years of the bgp government nothing has been shown in the curriculum nothing has been shown another result you know people are not rooted in their history they're not proud to be indians this is why so many intellectuals in india are anti-hindu anti-indian because they have no no roots in their own glory you know they have no pride of being indian so they run down india you know through the eye of a western prison francois i i might you know request you to help me uh if in the near future one of the so-called indian americans who are now elected to office in the united states some are congressman congresswoman and they think nothing about running down their own past and and and i would like that you to come and talk to them and have a have a debate of sorts where they can give all this nonsense that they spew and and it's always like you know i'm an indian american so all indian americans should vote for me that is one group having said that then they'll go and pander to the other groups and then say that these guys are hindutva this is that they'll just go on modi bashing i think this is one of the reasons why modi said okay i'm not going to worry about this i'm going to first make sure that india develops i mean the guy has only so many hours in a in a day i'm just i'm not making any apologies for him there are still lots of challenges i'm just saying that in general the history of india seems to be not of that importance to indians and i completely agree with you on that i have toured india extensively as a child you know my dad used to love to go to places in fact most of it was very difficult transportation we use buses trains traveled in unreserved train compartments wasn't easy but it it there was there's always this feeling that we need to go look at our temples look at our culture and things like that i might be an exception but the rule is that you know let me sit in front of my couch and see what is there on tv and and the other interesting thing i've noticed indians love to talk about the politics of other countries whereas they don't seem to realize what is going on in their own country francois i'm sorry we are off on a slight bit of a tangent i want to get back to our book the book is now in paperback or hardbound form can you give us a little bit of details about two things where you can get the book and also people are asking me where they can donate to your cause so two things the books is available i think on garuda books garudabooks.com garuda is the publisher i think it's settled based also on delhi based so it's garuda like garuda you know the bird yes this is yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah books dot com right sunken all right right yeah so that book is available i think it's available also on amazon but the publisher seems to privilege uh people buying it on their own website so it's garudabooks.com they're reprinting the book now so it must be doing fairly well the museum the museum of course we people can donate in the u.s we have a we have a sister company in the us which is trust which has got the 501c uh tax exemption um and then we have fact india which is also we've got got the atg exemption the best if people send me a mail from fagot26 gmail.com then i will i will guide them how to donate the museum i really need money at the moment because i have started so many exhibitions and of course there's a recession in the world so people used to give they are you know they have to look after their own family so we are very very short of fans at the moment so francois france56.com maybe you can you can uh print yes i'll put that thing i'll put that thing in the show more data of youtube yeah i will do that i will do that i will regret them so uh francois i wish you all the best in your endeavor i have a few questions from our readers if you don't mind can i ask you the questions sure yeah so here's here's a couple of questions um so so we have answered the donations part okay so here here is one question amrita shirali wants to know why don't you speak to the children directly in schools monsieur no again you know education is the biggest problem what you said about you know about indians in america once i gave a lecture in atlanta university i think there were 2000 on on rewriting in industry there were 2000 at least two thousand indian students in that in that university in atlanta nine came to my lecture and so unless india italian government mr modi changes the curriculum in schools and teaches indian children very early about their heroes the heroines the traumas the genocide but the greatness of indian culture you know kali dasa all the great boys like me are the frenchmen i'm taught very early about my poets my warriors you know my heroine jandak so unless the indian government does this nothing is going to change and the more mr modi wait the more they're going to be resistance i remember when moliman rajoshi tried to implement the chanting of vande mataram the outcry that happened that was 20 years ago imagine today you know how much resistance they're going to be but unless the indian government changes what children are taught you know from kindergarten onwards you know nothing's going to change nothing's going to change mr modi can do whatever he lacks india may improve economically but unless you make indians proud to be indians no any indian whether he's a muslim whether he's a christian whether the hindu proud to be an indian like the chinese have made chinese be proud to be chinese china is doing so well because chinese are proud to be chinese even if it goes overboard so that's the only solution my books and my you know my museum is a is a drop in the ocean i'm doing it because it's my seva because i have a gratitude towards india but this is not going to change anything only the government can change it and it's got to have the willpower i have seen three hrd ministers three education meetings now they are called education minister none of them have implemented anything of value that is going to transform the education in india the curriculums now unless you teach europe indo at least in the in the universities in philosophy classes you know one of the greatest ever you know contemporary philosophers in india instead of talk teaching nietzsche or hegel all these people who are not relevant to india unless you do that nothing is going to change so i'm doing my bit but uh only mr modi can do it and and he doesn't seem to you know he seems to hesitate about doing it yes and uh i think i agree with you uh on this topic let's go down to the next question saurabh vyas wants to know sir many of the marxist historians describe the vedic culture different from the indus saraswati civilization what's your take on that no so again there are discoveries i mean there are many many discoveries now that the saraswati predates the hindus and uh as your your reader says you know as your viewers said now it's called the saraswati industrialization that is the correct name saraswati industrialization so the vedas predate of course the saraswati because the saraswati it's only a question of death you know the the british had put the vedas 1500 years before christ now we push it back to six seven thousand eight thousand years before christ so it's a question of dates but definitely the vedic predicts the saraswati the saraswati predates industrialization so this is the correct order and in my book i have put it correctly that's wonderful to know francois and that brings us and into all our questions and i wish you all the best my friend and i will be sure to put your email address in the uh show more data for this video it's actually going live right now uh viewers please help francoise effort this is my third i think hang out with him i wish i did more but it just so happens that you know we have to have a reason and francois again i hope to have you back here i really think that under the next democratic regime there's going to be a lot of pressure on modi from the united states they're all vested interests you know so anyway so we we are going to be ready for that and i hope to have you back very soon once again all the best for your book thank you very much and namaskar

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