PCIE is the Future, The Discord Issue, & You'll Own Nothing | Discussion w/ Wendell of Level1 Techs

yeah it turns out that there's a lot going on there to lie to you about how fast your right speed really is wendle stopped by hello he brought snake oil I heard it was good I saw it online I don't know oh yeah I saw that online too yeah they really made it sound good they they tried well they tried yeah did we just so is this like from the bottle yeah yeah directly up the nose Okay this video is just going to be fun so I was in the neighborhood and it was just like I don't know I have some random stuff around the office I thought it might be interesting to talk about the changing role of pcie in modern systems cuz there's some really exciting stuff coming down the pipe for servers which might eventually make its way to workstations yeah so we're going to be talking about Wendell's box of oddities that he brought and uh I'm not sure if it will or at what point it will but we also filmed a short thing about our old small Sound Chamber that's why I'm here I've come to steal the old Sound Chamber he's taking possession he's repossessing it the old the new Sound Chamber ber will contain the old Sound Chamber which is just Madness so he's he's going to have that now which maybe some really cool stuff on level one text at some point so where do we want to start with this like let's let's just do the what individual things did you bring before that this video is brought you by the thermal swappable blade fans available in 120 and 140 mm sizes the new thermal fans include three sets of swappable blades so that even as you change builds or cases you can ensure the LEDs are always present on their best side the swappable blades allow Builders to get the fan frame out of the way of the lights by reversing the blade direction to reconfigure the fan as push or pull while keeping the struts relatively hidden and keeping the fan frame oriented One Way swapping blades is done by applying pressure evenly to opposite sides then pressing until the click each fan also has Pinto pad connections for caess daisy chaining and you can learn more at the link in the description below I brought a a kokia CM7 this is a Gen 5 SSD but this is is a Gen 5 SSD that can sustain um 14 GB per second so you know with modern m.2 ssds they'll heat quench or they will SLC right Quench and a lot of the time with Enterprise grade drives they're a lot more expensive but they don't really have they don't suffer from the same kinds of problems well this is a complaint of yours that you immediately brought up with me which is yeah it's just the consumer so like why isn't Gen 5 m.2 catching on as quickly as Gen 4 as quickly as cuz you you go to a pcie gen 3 m.2 and it's a night and day difference from SATA why isn't it the same with Gen 5 and part of that because latency the latency of the storage it doesn't matter that it's 14 gigabytes per second but also the performance is getting worse as we move to like four and five level cells it'll run really fast for a little while for rights but then it gets slower and the more information that's on the drive the harder time it has reading sometimes and depending on the drive and the characteristics and the firmware and a whole bunch bunch other things Enterprise drives don't really suffer from that and it's still a 2 and a half inch form factor and so it's like we go from this to something on the motherboard and maybe back to this because also that driv is remarkably light I noticed yeah well this one's only four terabytes these come up to 30 terabytes and the 30 terab ones do have heft okay um and in terms of power consumption this is good for 25 watts versus you're limited to about 10 watts on an m.2 okay this then what is what's the top level of this this is the other format this is edsf E1 s and this is also e3s but this is a pcie type connector it looks like an m.2 but is in fact not an m.2 at all this is a form factor showing up in servers and some workstations Lenovo for their new thread Ripper workstations is adopting this kind of this comes to Consumer at some point yes it's already there a little bit at least in Lenovo workstations but this is more like this or this should come to enthusiast performance because it gives you more power it gives you uh better easier connectivity and also um like one of the reasons I think that we didn't see this in Gen 4 as much in a lot of workstations is because it was hard to get error free signaling and so that's also part of the madness here like this this is a redriver card this is an m.2 to go to that Ed sff connector M and there's a redriver on here and red drivers are expensive and so this thing redrive and like conditions the signal and and then it works okay and then this is a card that takes pcie Lanes from the motherboard and takes them out into an external chassis um there's a company called liquid I just got a liquid pcie fabric and so you can have a small machine with those and you can take Lanes 16 at a time into an external chassis it's like I want to put 30 gpus in a system that's how you do it yeah they can take a whole bunch of ssds put it behind a plx bridge and then give you insane speeds by just aggregating a ton of ssds which is kind of old hat now but I love that PCI is becoming the interconnect of everything AMD at their Mi 300 event was like oh we're going to do ultra ethernet and blah blah blah but it's pcie and RDMA was what they were talking about how do we do RDMA like copy from one system to the other it's like what if you could just plug pcie from one computer to another like there's no peripheral it's literally just pcie Lanes from computer a to computer B then you're simulating Hardware not really I was gonna ask from a communication standpoint that seems to me like it does it introduce an additional uh something to bridge the communication yes okay and so but it takes stuff like think about when you've got an ethernet connection even if you got the fastest you know 400 or 800 gig ethernet you go computer PCI 800 gig ethernet there's a transceiver there and then some physical connections and then physical connections on the other end and then BL BL blah back to PCI and RDMA is one of the things remote dma so it's like we're going to from this computer you can remotely directly access the memory dma direct memory access over the network but what if you eliminate all that stuff and you just have a pcie connection way less complicated way less latency and the latency is the Killer and so that's why this is really exciting because pcie is finally branching out and doing everything so latency ends up uh being from what you were saying over on this side too being problematic for storage as well yeah because I guess like to me I don't work in in storage at all but especially not Enterprise grade stuff and so I feel like I probably wouldn't really notice the latency problems you might be talking about in in your side of the industry in a consumer use case but maybe I'm just not privy to how much it matters you you it is if you used the highest end Enterprise Drive in a gaming computer it would feel night and day different to you okay you think so yeah so pretty sure maybe maybe that's what I should do maybe I should build something and come down and just be like all right this is as fast as I can possibly make it we do a blind test I me that might be cool yeah and it it has to do with random IO latency so it's not like loading a game level like these fast drives are nice when you're loading a game level it's like oh I loaded the level really fast but booting the system and just randomly doing stuff um you know how how different a computer feels um I mean a hard drive to SSD is pretty obvious to me so think about um memory takes the edge off a lot so if you have a system that has 16 gab of memory you can kind of feel the difference between insanely fast storage and not if you take that 16 gig system and you take it up to like 64 gigs launch your game once or twice close it and then launch it again most of that is not reading from the storage it's just cached in memory okay and you get the benefit of the really low latency storage when you have gobs of memory and it caches it right so you look in task manager and it's like you're not using the memory this is also why we um in some games now this has become an actual important factor for us for benchmark where we used to run everything off of 2.5 in SATA cuz from a purely from a a test uh curation I'll use your word janitor standpoint uh it's a lot easier to work with SATA you just move them around like nothing but we had switch to nvme drives at least for primary and we moved to them for game drives now too because um the games are large enough and they need the data fast enough that it was starting to affect the time between tests in a way that matters like when you're running it's weird cuz as a player you notice it but when you're running thousands of tests right in a month yeah like an extra few seconds it really adds up fast so yeah yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's also true that PCI is starting to be used for lots of creative things outside of everything else like there's Thunderbolt I mean everybody knows Thunderbolt or us4 so like this is the GPD win 2023 but they've added oculink and oculink is this strange server connector as well like this is there's no difference between these connectors on this Rome Server Motherboard and and our our system here like this is this is a server data cable that goes over to this yeah G1 yeah the G1 is also an oculink but I can mix and match here like it doesn't have to be a G1 I can actually break these back out into like this works like this is a thing like I've connected two systems together via PCI we heard you like computers yeah UL link you had an interesting comment to me earlier about the connection cycle survivability yeah so like shockingly low yeah so this is an internal server cable like this type of cable is only typically rated at 250 insertions GPD has moved mountains to use an internal connector That's rated at like 10,000 insertions but an internal connector on a consumer device rated for only 10,000 insertions is still kind of low a lot of USBC uh connectors are rated for 100,000 plus insertion so you're talking like on the motherboard side I guess yeah yeah and so you get into weird stuff but like this oculink connection from This Server Motherboard into this 7600 this is basically a 7600 GT this is valid this will work this GPU will show up in the system and this is perfectly usable cool that's kind of neat actually yeah what do you have here what are our options this is so UL link is not super awesome for Gen 4 it is a little tough to get it to work at Gen 4 and in fact this cable that's bundled with this doesn't not reliably work at Gen 4 with all devices okay they've they've done some magic in here and they've done some magic in here that mostly these will link up at Gen 4 but like mini forum is another they make you know small form Packer machines they also have oculink ports on their small machines now and it's hard to get a Gen 4 connection with this cable you have to use a shorter cable there's signal Integrity issues and blah blah blah inter so those actually start showing up at length for this what's I mean top of your head is there kind of like a threshold where it gets really bad no it also cable quality and a whole bunch of other factors okay so um and this is one of the problems that plagued Gen 4 this is I think why we didn't see u.2 drives in workstations because it was hard to get a lot of the time they recycled SAS connections which is like another server standard they just just like we need a high-speed connector I was like oh we'll just use that one and it hasn't worked out it's not reliable people would try to use those kind of drives get frustrated and then it was customer service Nightmare and blah blah blah enter mini cool IO yeah and so this is an eight Lane mcio connection and this is like cool Edge or something yeah mini cool Edge okay and uh what does sorry to interrupt but if we can start on the name for a second what does it mean it's it's a different kind of connector and this connector is the first connector that is actually kind of working for Gen 5 and Gen 6 okay it's not fully certified for Gen 6 yet but this is very promising and so like this cable with this kokia 7 in the modern like Genoa server motherboards uh is awesome and this works reliably like this cable at this length at Gen 5 signaling speeds is awesome and we were just on The Struggle Bus with Gen 4 and this cable and then you're telling me this one works at Gen 5 I mean it looks it's a similar construction it's a similar architecture where they've actually hidden some Electronics in the in the connectors okay and you have things like this for the redriver and so it's there's a lot of black magic going on here M um but ultimately it means that you will have a reliable PCI style connection for your storage drives and because it's direct PCI connection is to lowest latency possible let's let's talk about uh your use of the word reliable there so I what really what really are you talking about when referencing an unreliable connection so you can have strange stuttering um from your machine when it doesn't have a connection and eventually it'll drop down to like pcie gen 3 okay but it's it's not even necessarily guaranteed to be reliable at gen 3 like you could have a Gen 5 device that drops to Gen 4 drops to gen definitely a potential speed impact if you're if you're dranking the generation and then blue screens are could be common programs could crash incorrect information could be returned that's bad those are well on people trying to build workstations around this like people using this oculink connector with the wrong types of stuff Upstream to Connected drives introduced all those kinds of issues a lot of the time you know server vendors when you would contact them and say you can only use this kind of connector to go to a back plane don't connect it directly to a drive connect it to a circuit board that has red drivers and then connect your drive to that and so that's why I think we haven't seen any adoption in workstation and for consumers you can forget it if you if you sell something like this in Best Buy and it's not plug-and playay the return rate is going to be like 35 40% yeah at least yeah I haven't had any Hands-On time with this but I was watching wend work with it and there's some really cool small features yeah so you can it's it's it's the GPD it's it's just uh the um like this is what I I like the hidden storage compartment for yeah you can literally just pop those out it is mindblowing how fast this is this is the 8 core uh 7840 HS this is the 64 gigabyte model I've got 3 terab of storage in it right now dual booting Linux and windows I can't believe the battery actually lasts like 78 hours yeah that's good you said you like the keyboard when buying this specifically yeah you can it's productive okay just specifically with what buttons are available I guess that's always my problem with I mean there's it's like 90% full size like I will say terrible this this isn't bad index finger I think if you wanted like this is pretty bad this feels awful two fingers I'm not a fan of this but yeah just single for L1 L2 what uh what kind of games you playing on this uh not much not yet um it actually plays balers gate reasonably okay okay the uh the deck and the Ally I maybe they fixed it now but they were struggling a little bit yeah with um frame pacing for balers gate even at low settings yeah they uh the when you used it with the G1 of course it's a really good experience but AMD like in their drivers there's it's really fascinating because the drivers think that this is internal and so they give you software for setting the total system power but in this case the total system power is this is externally powered and that's externally powered and so if you said 100 Watts it'll try to balance 100 Watts between the CPU over here and the GPU over there okay but you can let both of them run unconstrained at like 100 Watts if you want to and that that's fine you don't need that for gaming but it's a thing don't tell me what I need for gaming I need I need a 14900 K uncapped for gaming right 800 watts yeah I want my room as warm as possible you were talking about how pcie as kind of a a standard communication option I guess going forward is exciting to you yeah so why is that because it's it's standardized and it means that anything can connect to anything else even for all the crazy off Lael uses like if you wanted to connect the G1 to a Rome Server Motherboard it's totally fine as long as you can physically get the pcie lanes there and anybody that's followed our channel for a long time knows we've been doing that with m.2 is like converted m.2 back into 4 PC Lanes M you have something like this and you can do that or you have something like this where you literally like this is on the server side in commercial you take this back into a chassis and the reason that you would do that is because you can disaggregate pcie devices from the hosts that they're physically attached to so think about it in terms of like I'm a game developer I'm a software developer I've got three generations of AMD GPU and three generations of Nvidia GPU that I want to work with my game so instead of having one test system where I'm swapping gpus I can actually build a fully automated real world test rig and have this connected to a gaming PC I see and then in software swap the gpus and set a fully automated test right yeah so yeah we um I briefly was in talks with a uh a robotics engineer about building a rig to swap cars we decided it wasn't worth it yeah we decided it wasn't worth it but that is cool though I mean that is really interesting to me as a use case and I guess what that maybe kind of opens my eyes to is um if if the standard if PCI is just a standard then you don't have to worry as much about okay well is this an edge case case if the answer is yes this is an edge case and so is this and this and this and this but if they all kind of just work when you plug it in it doesn't like it's not like it's necessarily a ton of explicit support yeah so I guess that's kind of the benefit is if you have a million people who all are um members of these small you know Edge case groups uh you're at least not dealing with the explicit support you might need through other options so and it's software definable too because if you are using gpus for people logging in remotely during the day as everybody leaves you can just reprovision that those gpus with then use be used for AI or research after hours go or go back to some pool for selection I guess yeah the switching is happening at pcie and there's no overhead from the switching because it's just PCI and and you're not building a new stack on top of Ethernet or some other then in that scenario if it's like gpus do you end up with basically almost like a mining rig scenario where it's kind of okay so like host board bunch of cables then a bunch of gpus up in a rack somewhere okay and it can you can even take it a level further imagine a single rack as your unit of compute and there's a single insanely high-speed PC network card just the one and the one network card is what connects the entire rack but you've got a rack full of machine maches that are connected to the PCI bus the one network card shows up as a discrete network card for all the machines that are attached to it and they can all communicate with one another like as if the network card is real but you don't actually have 12 network cards in 12 machines there's one network card that's 800 gigabit is this like a a is this a future to I mean is this do you see this as where we're going yeah a lot of the high-end data center stuff is already there m and and I could see like think about compute resources at home if you had the virtualization stuff that we were doing and like vgpu unlock which is like The Fringe there's a there's a really cool utility that'll let you unlock GPU virtualization on a gaming GPU like as if it's a an Enterprise GPU but imagine that your home computer is not your home computer anymore your home computer is a box in the basement that can make noise and do whatever and somebody wants to play games of 40 90 levels of fidelity they can but then somebody else also wants to play that's fine and they're all on the the same Shar Hardware um but that sounds like if I'm Nvidia that sounds like you're stealing from me I mean you no you got to buy three gpus yeah well can yeah I mean it's not like cuz it's like you're talking about a mini version of GeForce now just locally better latency more ownership which is good yeah and maybe that's yeah so what if I plug my little mini laptop in but there's no like I'm not plugging it into a docking station really I'm literally plugging it into a desktop machine down there there's no bottleneck and then when I want to take it with me it's going to run slower cuz I'm taking it with me but everything you know lives with me everything lives in a virtual machine I think that's that's probably our future one way or the other well yeah and so that's the part that concerns me is the other because the one way sounds good the other is I I think I mean and maybe this is worth talking about for a minute but going in the total lack of ownership Direction because he will own nothing and be happy I don't want that future that's bad yeah uh and I feel like there's you see that materializing with like GeForce now bringing that up again but where Nvidia is kind of not really engaging with the lowend market right now alth there's rumors of a 30 56 gab in like a month but that doesn't really count I think the best example of that has also been Sony lately because Sony's like oh we're going to turn off all your stuff in your library and it's like but I bought that well it turns out you didn't actually buy that you were just renting it for a really long time and just that's what no yeah and and that's why if I were to be a conspiracy theorist about it I guess if a company is in a domineering enough position where it can leave a certain segment alone so like low end and just say look if you want Nvidia you got to subscribe to GeForce now I think that what you're talking about is um Gabe Noel saw the riding on the wall and I think that's why he went in the Linux direction for the steam deck and think about like the steam consoles and everything else like Microsoft was saying we have a gaming Solution that's the Xbox if you want to play Xbox games on your surface we don't have to put a good GPU in there you can do Remote Play Over the network to your Xbox and we'll sell an Xbox and the Xbox will be the thing that's running and you you have two people that want to play games at the same time you get two Xboxes you three people in your house that want to play games at the same time you do three Xboxes but you can play it on a living room TV you can play it on your surface you can play it everywhere and Tada it's Xbox and so Gabe Noel saw that and said no no no that's not that's not good for us valve going in that direction they've been successful with it I think it's fair to say with the steam deck um I think that people have experienced enough of Sony's actions in in other contemporary scenarios that that is why the pendulum is swinging the other way so um there was one of my family members um experienced uh it was Netflix uh they tried to find there was a show they were watching on Netflix and then they got busy and they came back and then you know here it is a couple months later they're like I can finally sit down and finish my shows it wasn't on Netflix anymore okay and they they just I they're like I don't understand and I explained it to them they're not really super computer literate and uh and they were like well I got you know that's disappointing and then they were like well is there an easier way for me to watch my DVDs and it was like well yeah you can you know hook up a DVD player to your computer and then you can here's some software and then you and so I set him up you know some stuff and then he can do some stuff on his own and now he's watching his movies on the computer not through Netflix but he can also watch on his phone rol and stuff right and he I didn't hear from him for a couple weeks and then uh like a week ago he sent me a picture and I was like I got a really good haul from the flea market and it was just milk crates full of DVDs and so he's got his little rig set up and he's just copying it all his computer he's like I'm building my own Netflix and it's like there people have gotten burned by stuff like that and they're just they're like no I'm done yeah it's like the hard swing back the other way we've been talking about this like you kept when we were talking about websites because Wendell rebuilt the the website one of the phrases you kept using was uh you talking about pendulum swinging back the other way yeah and I I I'll let you explain but I think that came up when we were talking about YouTube Reddit Google yeah uh large consolidated services yeah it eventually those Services can't help but get worse because they change hands somebody buys them and if somebody buys them they expect to get the money that they paid back and then some immediately yeah yeah with Reddit you know the mod Exodus and and that sort of thing and if you look at a lot of printed websites and you know information capture like we're losing a lot of information in things like Discord like there's a lot happening in Discord and that's good but then the information is not really well captured and well searchable forums uh are have largely been replaced by it yeah which is a problem I was talking with Patrick on our team about this recently I I think we may have talked about too about this concept of Google is getting worse like the search engine yeah and some of the lawsuits it literally came out that it is in their financial interest to make the search results a little worse because you stay on the side a little longer and they make a little bit more money that's so stupid yeah but I I started experiencing that uh more recently where I forget I was troubleshooting something and it was the first time I've had to like look information up to troubleshoot a Windows issue in a long time and all I needed was some steps click through the interface and uh the I think part of the useless results I got returned was a result of forum discussion moving because you're left with these maybe AI generated yeah basically spam sites right that are like it's like the cooking websites it's like yeah here's my life story written by maybe Ai and here's the three steps that might not work well if you if you imagine Reddit how it's supposed to work it would be a great resource is like I would like to learn learn how to not kill a bonsai tree and then it's like oh there's a subreddit for that that's about care and feeding of bonsai trees and the different species and how you can help them grow and so on and so forth that is very valuable and if you're a search engine you can look at that and say okay human beings are probably preventing spam and they're probably curating the content a little bit on Reddit we can naturally or deliberately rank Reddit a little higher whereas when it's AI generated stuff it's like the search engine doesn't know it's like well this is original content and it seems applicable to what you're talking about but I don't know if this an individual I don't if this is whatever because anybody can just host anything but if it's going to survive on Reddit you're going to get down votes you're going to get stuff and so all of a sudden it's it's weird situation where that's more valuable and then people consolidate there and they flock there and then the Trap is strong sprung and you have to like you know pull the rug and then suffers and blah blah blah so for what you're doing for the gamers Nexus website is publishing information without newsletter popups and without BS and without insanity and so I was like yes I'm motivated to work on this this will be fine right the I and but I think on the pendulum s and stuff YouTube has been part of that where and we talked about this in our announcement video for the site but one of the things that bothered me when we uh explicitly and intentionally moved away from web publishing because I couldn't keep up with it was um I'd see it firsthand where someone on the team like Patrick is writing a new case review and he wants to pull up the article you know to reference what we said what our numbers were what our conclusions were because archivally and historically it normally makes more sense to operate that way than to look through the video and videos are obviously fantastic they're extremely useful things uh very information dense potentially they can be extremely information dense and then uh but the problem is it's it's not really it can be searchable but it's not really searchable at like a Google level no and they've tried that and it's like you could pull up the if you know the thing you want is in the video and then you pull up the the transcript now you can control off the video yeah but you know well Google has experimented with some search results where like you search for some things and it's like this is in the video the thing that you're looking for but I think that there's an intersection of like Ai and large language models that are going to probably do away with conventional search engines but they will be able to take you to the piece of content that made them give you the response that they did and maybe that'll be the happy medium of like oh my God they're stealing my content to train the AI versus you know because if there was if you had an AI assistant that was hey go through Steve's catalog and figure out where he talked about the cordex of this particular power supply because I'm doing a build and I this cable looks weird and I don't know why it won't shove in the power supply do you see anything relevant to that if the AI is like boom I got you then that would be really handy like that would be like the the the Google of your yeah I mean it's it's um the reason that's better than just the Google search I guess is because you can you Google you start making your search query too long yeah and it's just the results but historically that was fine like there were programming queries that I had that were this long and Google was like yeah there's like seven guys that had that problem three years ago here you go and that's all gone now yeah yeah that makes sense and that was something we talked about too with the charts as pngs versus and a lot of that was just we didn't want to commit to Too Much complexity too early it has to be sustainable for our workflow but then there was also the discussion of like well it's easier for yeah Bots to scrape the data and or just it Mis screens yeah these are my results and it's like this is like the gamer you made this I made this yeah yeah equals Rand between you know add some integer between zero and and 10 the last uh piece we haven't really talked about is this which is actually something that I brought to the table but wend brought the motherboard I however I'm going to hand this to you oh yeah you have you have a mystery CPU and it's the question is will will the mystery CPU uh boot or will bad things happen so I think we're going to find out yeah this was provided to us as part of our AMD Labour documentary where um the very end of it we show how the IHS is etched or lasered whatever the correct word is but and so they rate welcome Gamers Nexus and we were told this is dead and it might be but companies have given us CPUs in the past that they said were dead and they weren't and and I there a lot of reasons I can think of for that many of them not relevant you know on the front end but uh this one I I honestly think it's probably just the reason I suspect it might work is uh not to build it up too much is because I think it's probably easier for them to take just any functioning CPU out of their line than it is to go dig one out of the trash so for demo purposes they might have just taken a real one you're going to need a power supply and one stick of registered air correcting ddr4 memory double zero is is it doesn't it doesn't know a I hear coil wine though you could test that in your new sound Jam but I suspect that it is probably a thread Ripper or CN a CPU we'll see if there's any pads that are damaged so I did this with um some CPUs I got off of eBay and um the pads blew off on some of them after mhm nice how was the motherboard it still worked okay it might have been this one socket looks good too okay well that was worth trying I don't know if it'll make it in the video or not you has to look kind of anticlimactic it's like on the 1% chance this was going to explode you wanted it on camera or turn on that would have been nice too well thanks for uh all the discussion and also for trying to see if the CPU did anything no worries it didn't the CPU did not do anything spoiler alert yeah I think they know know by now sadly but no this is cool uh for anyone who wants to see more of this kind of stuff you can listen to wendle over at level one Tex I like rambling I like rambling rambling is good I like going fast like we need workstation storage there's not there's there was a couple people on The Forum that had like I'm just casually shuttling around 400 gigabytes of data on flash why does it slow down after 100 gab and it's like do you not know the secrets of modern flash store going to need to buy some real Enterprise storage you're not going to get that from an m.2 come on yeah we get uh for our external and vme drives for moving games around between systems yeah know we cap out it 700 megabytes per second or something in a lot of cases pull and push from the server so we're limited there but then it dies hard down to like 30 megabytes per second so yeah yeah it turns out that there's a lot going on there to lie to you about how fast your right speed really is and then once you hit the limit it's you're stuck it's got to catch up why is it so slow it's like well that's the design that's why so learn more about it at level one Tex and thanks for having me and thanks for the Sound Chamber yeah thanks for taking it thanks for freeing up space in our office wo and we'll see you all next time

Channel: Gamers Nexus

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Keywords: gamersnexus, gamers nexus, computer hardware, nvidia geforce now, pcie, pcie explained, pcie differences, oculink, mcio, valve steam deck, valve proton, valve steamos, level1 techs, level1techs

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Length: 33min 15sec (1995 seconds)

Published: Thu Dec 21 2023