Oprah Asks, "Is Homosexuality Sin?" What Do You Say? (Voddie v Osteen, Jakes, Lentz, Daigle, Lecrae)

so don't let anybody tell you that it's not loving if you stand flat-footed and speak the truth about this issue of homosexuality what's not loving is to look someone in the eye when god says they are in jeopardy of an eternity in hell and merely wink and nod at their sin because you're afraid of being called names but does that mean that you're saying i just because i want to be clear and i don't want to interpret anything that isn't does that mean that you're saying that you believe that being gay would is a sin [Music] through crime you see civil partnerships being sanctioned you think that's wrong yeah i think it's i think it's wrong but i'm not going to bash those people i'm not going to be against those people they're they're good people they're they're good people they're they're good people it's like you're judging us on you well to me i just i'm not i'm not the one to judge and say you know who's bad and who's good otherwise you'd have to go through everybody you know every one of us said you know what i got some pride or i've got i had an evil thought the other day those are sins too i don't know that god is judging sins on different levels but we pick out that one so i mean our message if i mean you know if you listen to my message they're about lifting people up and so it's not i mean i really talk about the homosexuality when we get on the interviews and i really talk about the homosexuality when we get on the interviews it's an issue that you know it's a heart issue and i don't know that i fully understand it let me ask you a question because when you came on piers morgan show a while ago he asked you about homosexuality christianity homosexuality and almost every time we have a pastor on it's a conversation we have and you you are known for these uplifting ceremonial services and you talk to a lot of what's like 45 000 people who attend and i always wonder when you are you say homosexuality is a sin and there's a bunch of people who clearly are gay who are in your church you're calling them sinners i mean that well so that's the opposite of uplifting it does but one one i don't necessarily focus on that i only talk about that on the interviews one one i don't necessarily focus on that i only talk about that on the interviews i mean so don't you think though that with the with the country struggling with increasing acceptance of all its citizens and you're for basic fairness for everybody that in situations where like we're trying to pass these marriage equality bills in certain states now that you ought to you have an important voice to lend to that especially the kids who are maybe worried about who they are and where they fit in the community well you know i think i have an important voice but i'm very i think i've been good i think part of my if you want to call it success is i've stayed in my lane and my lane is lifting people's spirits and their their issues that good bible-believing people see on both sides of the fence but so my question is when you're talking to your forty five thousand people in your service and some of them are gay you're saying to them you're a sinner well so that first off in my services i don't cover all these issues that we talk about here i am and i don't understand all the all those issues and so you know i try to stick on the issues that i do understand and i i know this i'm for everybody i'm not for pushing people down obviously i watch the story on bullying stuff other things like that that comes from it so i don't know where the fine line is but i do try to stay in my lane and you know lift people's spirits a question coming in from uh black 185 in our in our uh digital community said do you do you think i'm assuming uh lgbt community in the black church can co-exist absolutely let me push that question because that's sort of obvious yes church ain't turning nobody away how should the black church and lgbt community i think it's going to be diverse from church to church every church has a different opinion on the issue and every gay person is different and i think that to to speak the church the black church or white church or any kind of church you want to call it are all the same is totally totally not true and all gay people are not the same the the types of relationships that are afforded are based on the types of people in each individual case and lgbts of wipes and sorts have to find a household of worship that reflects what your views are and what you believe like anybody else and the church should have the right to have its own convictions and values if you don't like those convictions and values you totally disagree with it don't try to change my house move into your own and establish that sort of thing and find somebody who gets what you get about faith and trust me i've talked to enough lgbt they are not all the same oh for sure any more than all christians so no uh but how do we first of all is you're thinking involved doing this he evolved and evolving involved in evolving he evolved and evolving involved in evolving well it's a complex issue it's a real complex issue and it was in the bible day sexuality versus spirituality paul spends a lot of time wrestling back and forth trying to understand uh should a woman wear her head covered is you know uh should you cut your hair i mean they groppled back then and we're groppling now because we are humans and we are flawed and we are not god once you understand you're not god you you leave yourself an outclass to grow to grow hello i'm michael to support this kind of content you can just do two simple things one subscribe and click the bell icon two click on new videos and watch them until the end your support is what motivates me to keep making videos thanks for all your support and encouragement just to play devil's advocate i mean do you feel like it's hard for you because you're so sweet but but do you feel like you know there you have a moral imperative to to speak publicly about some of these more controversial issues no because we try to be like jesus very rarely did jesus ever talk about morality or social issues he was about the deeper things of the heart every article i've read about you guys says he declined to discuss gay marriage yeah it's a misquote because i do discuss it just not the way people want me to when it comes to homosexuality i refuse to let another human being or a immediate moment dictate how we approach it jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality just like it is today was wildly prevalent and i'm still waiting for someone to show me the quote where jesus addressed it on the record in front of people you won't find it because he never did argument number one is the argument that jesus never addressed homosexuality this is a very popular approach people will look at this and they'll say well you're a christian which means you're a follower of christ right well yeah i'm a follower of christ well as a follower of christ it seems very strange to me that you're making a big deal out of something that jesus never mentioned one time in the gospels not one time and for most christians they hear that and we're just sort of taken aback and you know our response is usually something along the lines of uh what um so you um well was was bad we don't we don't what and we just don't know what to say right um well here's what you say number one jesus did address homosexuality uh he addressed it in matthew chapter five and in matthew 19 because in matthew chapter five in matthew chapter 19 he addressed the issue of marriage he rooted his understanding of marriage in the teaching in genesis chapter 2 the teaching in genesis chapter 2 that gave us marriage between a man and a woman for the purposes of procreation illustration and sanctification he also made it very clear that what man has joined together what god has joined together man cannot separate in other words god is the author of marriage not man therefore god is the one who defines marriage not man therefore man does not have the right to introduce the concept of same-sex marriage number one because by definition it's not marriage it's another thing and number two because by definition it goes against what was created in genesis chapter two so jesus did address homosexuality do you feel that homosexuality is a sin you know i can't honestly answer on that i have too many people that i love that they are homosexual i don't know i can't say one way or the other i'm not god so when people ask questions like that that's what my go-to is i just say read the bible and find out for yourself and when you find out let me know because i'm learning too so if one of your kids let's say one of your male sons yeah comes to you at 20 23 years old says hey dad this is my husband we're engaged we're gonna get married next month and i want you to be in the wedding yeah what would you say my thing is like this i don't like my brother's gay you know what i'm saying and so like i don't i don't condemn him i don't look down on him for him being attracted to the opposite sex you know what i'm saying that's that's something sex yeah or the same sex excuse me i don't condemn him you know what i'm saying like if anything we'll we will dialogue so that i can have a better understanding because i don't profess to be like i got this all figured out and i know the way this should be like i'm trying to read the bible i'm trying to have conversations with people and i'm trying to understand you know the perspective you know what i'm saying and i feel like anybody who wants to come at a person negatively like if you was if you was a christian and you came to me negatively then it's like you're not giving me the grace and the space to be a learner you know what i mean help me you know give me the space and the grace to learn and and that's how that's how we move forward you know what i'm saying so you can point something out to me and say hey this is what it says macrae you should know better you should know this well you know give me the grace and the space to to take my time and understand the perspective on it and understand why these people think it this way and like that's that's the perspective i have i'm more of a learner and i give people to grace into space as i'm processing and as i'm learning um you know and just walk with people through that you know what i mean just be a lifelong learner man [Music] so what's wrong with homosexuality a number of things but just a few in this context number one it's a violation of the created order it's a violation of the created order it's not how we remain secondly it denounces procreation categorically it denounces procreation categorically and i say categorically because you know the homosexual lobby they try to be slick or are you saying that people who are beyond childbearing years shouldn't get married no because categorically they are still the two corresponding parts of humanity that produce children and produce a family that is designed to raise rear and protect children so categorically they're still in the same ballpark even if they don't have children thirdly it blasphemes the illustration it blasphemes the illustration this is especially true when we understand the illustration of christ and his bride the church and then finally it denies the very need for sanctification because it takes what god calls sinful and calls it righteous god calls this an abomination and we instead call it righteous it's the only sin by the way for which god destroyed cities with fire and brimstone it's unique it's unique it's not like other sins it's unique not all sins are called abominations homosexuality is unique in that regard very few sins in that category and not all sins whether ended in god destroying twin cities with fire and brimstone it's unique in that regard not all sins are talked about in the bible like in romans 1 as having a penalty in the flesh homosexuality is it's unique in that regard but listen to this to suggest in public that homosexuality might be chosen is to open the can of worms labeled moral choice and sin and give the religious intransigence a stick to beat us with straits must be taught excuse me straits must be taught that it is as natural for some persons to be homosexual as it is for others to be heterosexual wickedness and seduction have nothing to do with it and since no choice is involved gayness can be no more blameworthy than straightness i want you to notice that this is an argument from origins this is an argument based upon their understanding of the nature of man this is why genesis matters they're arguing that this is the way we were made or this is the way that we have evolved and therefore there is no morality associated with it and this is a dangerous statement to make i mean suppose you know we can we can say that i have a genetic predisposition toward violence does that make it okay because we can prove that i have a genetic predisposition if i have a genetic predisposition toward drunkenness does that make it okay officer pulls me over sir you've been drinking i'll suffer i don't even know sir you want to get out of the car okay but before i do you should need to know i got that drunk gene oh well sir i'm sorry please weave on your way and so out of step with psychology what psychology proves this stuff yeah because everybody knows that that's how people are born right we have the leve brain study you know bailey bailey and pillars twin study we have hamer's x chromosome study um you know we've got uh savic's pheromone study so of course i mean all of these things by the way none of these things none of these things none of these things has proven a genetic connection to homosexuality and even if it did it wouldn't matter so this is how they argue one way they argue is this they say homosexuality is an is as immutable as ethnicity you've heard that right it's immutable it's just like ethnicity it's just like your race that's not true by the way first corinthians 6 9-11 do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of god do not be deceived neither they sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who practice homosexuality nor thieves nor the greeting or drunkards nor revilers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of god and such were some of you but you were washed you were sanctified you were justified in the name of the lord jesus christ and by the spirit of god that's 2 000 year old evidence that people stop being homosexual two thousand-year-old evidence you say what you want about michael jackson he did not stop being black another thing you do as far as jamming you want to understand what jamming is jamming works when you take two contradictory images and juxtapose them and so christian people hate the idea of the nazis and the skinheads and the kkk so what you do is you portray people who are against same-sex marriage as being akin to nazis skinheads and the kkk since nobody wants to be accused of being a nazis skinhead or the kkk eventually nobody's going to want to be accused of being anti-same-sex marriage this is jamming this is why in your average sunday sermon from a pastor that deals with homosexuality the first third of it will be apologizing imagine this on a sunday morning from a church now church we're going to address the issue of adultery but i don't want you to be alarmed i am not here to bash adulterers i love adulterers jesus loves adulterers i have friends who are adulterers and i believe that our church needs to be open and accepting toward adulterers and i want you to be right that just feels wrong doesn't it but every time a pastor goes to preach on homosexuality we expect that to be up front why because we've been jammed that's why we've been jammed it has been successful that's why the most onerous sin that you can imagine from a scriptural perspective has us apologizing for saying what god says about it so don't let anybody tell you that it's not loving if you stand flat-footed and speak the truth about this issue of homosexuality what's not loving is to look someone in the eye when god says they are in jeopardy of an eternity in hell and merely wink and nod at their sin because you're afraid of being called names

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