Only The TOP 5% Do This To MANIFEST & ATTRACT Success | Robin Sharma & Lewis Howes

to have the results only five percent of the population has we've got to be willing to be brave enough and faithful enough to do what only what 95 of the population are unwilling to do what are they unwilling to do i think you got to have a dream the school of greatness really yeah please welcome us how does someone go from that leap where maybe they've been stuck or they've been kind of just going by following the rules or just doing what they think they're supposed to do they've been forgetting who they are and they're not either having the career or the love or the health that they truly want how do they go from the victim to the hero leader well i mean there's so many ideas and there's so many modalities that i i share in the book if you were to ask me where do you start yeah you trust your instinct and you start with the first move i know that sounds simple and i'm trying to be so honest and of service but people always ask me where do i start well you start you stop asking how people how do i start and you take the first step yeah lao tzu said the thousand mile journey begins with a single step you know it's a symptom of fear to say how do i start it's giving away your power you trust your instinct versus needing someone to tell you what to do and you read that first book and you've read that first book you take that first step you make that first phone call you get that first mentor you take that first jog you buy that first journal you ask that first person out on a date so i think i think that's where where where we begin in terms of tactics i would say language there's a chapter in the book it's called it's stop calling your genius s-h-i-t and we live in a world right now it's like lewis you did an amazing podcast great amazing interview your friends will probably say you murdered it you uh you have oh yeah see you've got you've got sick kicks sick oh that looks that shirt looks dope oh you did great your your work is great you're doing great s-h-i-t and if you just look at it so many of us we use the language of victims speak versus leader talk and our words program our self-identity this is just one way to do it but it's like start cleaning up your vocabulary words have incredibly pop incredible power if you look at the great leaders these people did it through the powerful words and so the words we use to ourself are signals about possibility clean up the vocab i wouldn't call my work s-h-i-t like you know hey you're doing great s-h-i-t i mean this is my craft it's it's who i am so i think words are very very powerful i think your routines are that's how you start as well your morning routine your plea pre-sleep ritual your your daily workflow another thing that's power powerful is your ecosystem you know saying goodbye to the top this is a big one saying goodbye to the energy vampires the dream stealers cleaning up the news cleaning up your diet working in light filled work spaces going to places that make you feel alive reading books that lift you up versus tear you down following people who inspire you yeah just a few things just a few thoughts i think uh the language is a powerful one that i want to talk about because i believe words have an energy they have a frequency when they when we speak them when we hear them when we're consuming them and using them all the time they have an energy and what we say about ourselves whatever we say after i am is a very powerful message a frequency that were confirming or or relying out into the world and so using the proper language is powerful i don't think i'm there yet i think i'm you know 85 percent there you know i think there's a lot of things that i could still clean up with my language which is a good reminder for me and i think the anything else you want to add to the language that that you've learned or maybe you didn't have the cleanest language before you had the what'd you call the victim language and now you have more the leadership language well there there's a story in the book about i was giving a presentation in spain to a large media company and the gentleman who's driving me back to the airport was wonderful we started talking about incredible spanish food pancorn tomate and jamon serrano and um exactly and then i said what's your dream and he said oh i want to move to canada but i know it's impossible and then this and they said i know it's impo and he repeated it probably 10 times and so i would say cleaning out that victim speak that your your language reveals the way you see yourself and he had he had sold himself a bill of goods that moving to canada was impossible you know so get rid of the can't you know people who say can't and people make excuses like your excuses are nothing more than the lies your fears have sold you and you repeat your excuses long enough like i can't do this and i'm too busy to do this and there'll be a better time for this and i'm not the kind of person who can join the 5am club or who can build a business or build an amazing life then we do we do hypnotize ourselves into believing our excuses are real what should we be hypnotizing ourselves in instead of this well our heroism we should be here here's a really powerful psychological principle it's easier to behave yourself into a new way of thinking than think yourself into a new way of acting so act first and then you'll start to think and believe it as opposed to think and believe and then start acting practice being spectacular long enough that unspectacular unspectacularity has no ability to enter your orbit right i mean how do you how does how do the great athletes become great you know this you're not right the same nonsense it's just practicing non-stop and the the behavior researchers call it automaticity right you practice people well how do i get discipline well discipline is a muscle you are under someone's undisciplined and then you get out of the bed and you get up early or you make your bed or you do 25 push-ups or whatever and you do it and you do it and you do it through the power of neuroplasticity the malleability of the human brain it's almost like a metaphors for anyone who wants to make a change who says i can't do it well your can't do it is the reason why you're not doing it because the can't do it is your weaker self versus your heroic self so it's almost like a metaphor you wake up in the morning you know and you want to do something let's say it's to be a better more focused better performer because an addiction and distraction is the depth of your creative production so it's almost like a wide open mountain meadow and the first time you practice turning off your phone and practicing what i call in the everyday hearing manifesto the five great hours rule forget working more than five great hours a day five sweaty intense hours so say you want to practice that it's almost like you're walking in a mountain meadow and it's a pure mountain meadow you do it after a few weeks now the meadow becomes a trail because you've practiced it eventually the trail becomes a road and you keep on practicing it and eventually the road becomes a highway and if you keep on practicing it the highway becomes a super highway and then if you look at the neurobiology you've got this circuit and around it is my starts to form a fatty tissue called myelin and some people believe some neuroscientists believe that myelin is the secret of genius that's why wayne gretzky could send the puck to where it was going versus where it was that's why steve jobs could see around corners and he was this favorite word i love prescient he could see where everything was going before anyone else could it's not because these people are cut from a different cloth it's because they run different protocols think different thoughts and they do different things and what i'd say to wrap that up is to have the results only five percent of the population has we've got to be willing to be brave enough and faithful enough to do what only what 95 of the population are unwilling to do what are they unwilling to do what would you say are the three habits they're unwilling to do most of the population i'm not judging because i i'm on my path too so this is just but you asked me the question i would say too many good souls have forgotten that what makes us human is growing every day yeah and so victims love entertainment leaders and heroes love education you know when i mentor the billionaires and the a players they don't show me their big tv after dinner they show me their extraordinary library when i have dinner with it with a tight enough industry tight enough industry you know if i come in you know just 10 minutes before we're supposed to meet they've got a stack of books or they're reading so education is inoculation against disruption and if you want to double your income and impact triple your investment in your personal mastery and your professional ability so i think one thing people i'll put this way people could do to take things to the next level is remember we come most alive when we are curious and it's when you read and when you learn and when you listen to podcasts like the school of greatness and when you just are you fall in love with trying to get better every day by learning it makes you feel better you bring more value to the marketplace you discover yourself et cetera et cetera so one thing we could do is is more growth versus playing with our phones and chat you know watching more growth over just entertainment mindless entertainment absolutely not that anything's wrong with i mean listen i was watching an fx series last night and love little down time and some a good series that inspires me allows me it almost allows me to like pause from growing because i'm growing all day long it's like i need to give myself my brain some time to just be because i think i'm too much growing but um but for those that aren't growing on a consistent basis and they're more on autopilot what happens to majority of those people and what about the people are saying this seems like a lot of work robin and you're tiring me out with all this growth talk and you know i just want to live a simple life and you know i'm happy with where i'm at but what would you say on the pushback on that i would say are you really happy or have you seduced yourself into thinking that you're happy as a way to survive the truth is the truth is the truth if someone comes up to me and says i am a gardener and i am chasing my bliss and i've got the life i'm handcrafting i will get down on my knees and salute them for their honor because all dignity has labor and who am i to judge someone else's journey yes if they are truthfully happy they are why far wiser than i am but if it's a mask if it's i'm i'm happy but they're not really happy unconsciously perhaps their heart is broken and they've just given up on life then i i would say you know yes this sounds like a lot of work but actually if you do it it's incredibly fun yeah i mean here's my experience it might not be all your viewers experiences but getting up in the morning and running the 5am club protocol is fun you know like dopamine pulsing through my brain is fun serotonin is the antidote to to unhappiness it's fun reducing your cortisol is fun being fit is fun reading amazing books brings me alive um following my craft is fun serving people is fun getting to travel is fun yes and on the point about well what about not what about when you just want to watch netflix what about when you just want to eat eat a pizza what about when you just want to rest so much of the everyday hero manifesto was so disruptive against the hustle and grind culture i'm not i believe live your life in seasons there's a time to be super productive and there's a time to just enjoy the fruits of your labor uh john lennon said time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time so i spent 16 months of pandemic living and breathing the every day here in manifesto and after that four hour meals with the family watching netflix eating what i wanted to do sleeping a little bit more because i was cognitively empty traveling and just sort of naval gazing and i think that's a great way to be versus 24 7 on absolutely when has been the time in your life where you needed to go through a big spiritual purge and what was what was the lesson you learned on how to get through that i think it's a brilliant question first i'd say i'm really happy for the place that you're at thank you and yet the place that you were you once were had great magic to it as well absolutely that day for the ego is a great day for the soul and i think you know we are closest to our greatest power when we are on our knees and if you look at the mandela's and the mother traces the book is the everyday hero manifesto those are the celebrated heroes right but if you look at the great ones they have one thing in common they suffered more than most people so suffering you know khalil gibran in his wonderful book the prophet louis he said your joy is simply your suffering unmasked suffering unmask unmasked so your joy really flows from your pain yes our greatness really flows from our our disconnection to who we are and so i'm really happy to see you so peaceful and you're so clear yeah you're just radiating this great vibe i wish everyone could could feel it sure and yet the place where you were is is i i would respectfully suggest not to be discounted it's okay to not to be okay and it is the times in the valley of darkness that teach us the great virtues that make us heroic absolutely you know it's our suffering that teaches us how strong we are it's our pain that teaches us our true power it's our difficulties that birth our creativity it's when it's the tragedies that give us wisdom and teach us love so enjoy your time in the sun absolutely and and i hope no more valleys of darkness yeah exactly you know what's interesting i'm sure you're the same way whenever someone has gone through a lot of pain or challenges or suffering or events that occurred in their life that seemed overwhelming in their life if they look back 10 20 years later this 10 20 years has passed a lot of people say they want to change that darkness i know for me i wouldn't have changed all the things that happened in my life because i don't think i would care as deeply about human beings as i do i wouldn't want to serve and create something to help others i'd probably be just more into myself i don't know like what can i make for me what can i gain for myself as opposed to how could i create to serve when you look back on the most painful valleys of your life do you wish you could change them absolutely not yeah it's it's the old question i get asked a lot which is do you have any regrets and and of course not it's it's when i look back at my life i see it almost as a set of invisible hands creating a magical orchestration and a life a life school perfect perfectly designed to carry me kicking and screaming into the human being destiny wants me to be and i'm very practical the everyday hero manifesto it's it's part playbook for exponential productivity i talk about the seven threats to world class i share a lot of the methodology i've shared with billionaire sports superstars and empire makers and having said that the book is also a call to arms on being a spiritual heavyweight right because what's the point of being top of the mountain but losing your soul in the process and and what i want to bring to as many people as possible is you can be uber productive you can be an empire maker you can dominate your domain you can materialize your primal genius and at the same time you can be so loving to people and you can care about the earth you can care about service you can care about becoming the person your higher power wants you to be and if you can marry those two universes then i think you've done you've done your job yeah and so my difficulties and i've gone through a lot of them there's a chapter early on i mentioned before we went on that time 10 years of my private journals were were were vanished and louis i'm i'm a daily journaler and i've been doing so for 20 going on 22 years and so i had in those journals i had my dreams my hopes the times that i was heartbroken i wrote about my difficulties my weaknesses my fears i wrote about my travels i wrote about my learnings i wrote about my struggles everything was in those journals because that's what journals are for [Music] and one sunny friday i went into the cupboard and they were all gone where they go well you know i'm gonna i'm gonna protect the unpresent because we all do our best based on the place that we're at and i'm not going to judge and there's i have no uh i have absolutely no bitterness or anything because it served me again yeah it was a platform for possibility because that taught me one of the most powerful lessons i think a human being can learn which is the the ability to let go right it's okay so what someone sees them one of my favorite movies is a jeremy renner movie and in it he says you know you look inside every person's life and what you see it's the movie's called kill the messenger and he said look inside anyone's life and what do you see a three-ring circus and so what are they going to do if they look inside my journals they say a man who has dreams and ethical ambitions and aspirations and wants to live beautifully and he see they see a man who's flawed and scared sometimes and has things to work through and and has struggles like anyone and that just makes me human what's the biggest fear insecurity you had about what people might know about you from from those journals or what my people might know about you now a fear of insecurity that if people knew that would make you feel i don't know if they really want to know this i think just how much pizza and chocolate i know um no i would say well there there's there's another thing i write about in the book which is the whole idea about being good enough yes and we all we all have our own struggles based on our own ancient wounds but one of my core themes that i've been working on for many years is just not feeling it's not impostor syndrome but it's it's just not feeling good enough like no matter what i achieve what's the next mountain how long have you felt that probably since i was a little kid now really yeah and it's it's served me well in uh the sport that i'm in yeah right because you just keep on pushing and i think if you look at the great ones the michael jordans and and the kobes and the muhammad ali's and the bobby fischers and the hedy lamarrs and the mandelas i mean i think they all share a similar wound i think what can be a curse can also be a blessing but for me you know just because you've asked it's that feeling like no matter how many books i write no matter what i do what's the next mountaintop and that can lead i think i'm a very happy content person but it can lead to to a frustration i mean 20 million copies sold of your books how many books do you need to sell in order to feel like you're enough well asked james patterson and paula coelho and now i'm joking you know it's and that's where and what i mean how can you know i'm asking this question for you but also for everyone listening it's like okay i haven't if people haven't written one book that they've been trying to do if they haven't done a a fraction of what you've created how can they feel enough if you can't feel enough i think part of our neurobiology is progress yes so i think you know when you when you look at the healers and the emotional pundits they say heal the wound and i understand that there's there's a very powerful tool in the everyday hero manifesto that has served me dramatically as well as my high level clients it's called the afra tool and it allows you to move through micro and macro trauma in very profound ways how do you use it it takes a while to explain it but basically you go into the body you get very very present you look you let's say it's a situation where you get activated you get jealous or you don't feel enough you're triggered you're triggered or activated and you literally go in the body and aphra is a you find the awareness so you're located in the body where's the pain where's the tightness the tension it is because what i mean it's such a long conversation but we are taught in our society not to feel so what do we do we become machines yes and that's why we hurt our brothers and sisters and that's why we become selfish versus giving to the world we become machines so we live in our minds we get disconnected from our hearts when we are disconnected from our hearts we are disconnected from our our truth and our truth is creativity our truth is heroic productivity our truth is decency our truth is to serve the world when i was growing up my dad said robin when you when you were born you cried while the world rejoiced he said son live your life in such a way that when you die the world cries while you rejoice this is all our truth but through the micro and macro trauma that we pick up and then swallow we develop what i call in the book a field of hurt and i think this is really powerful because we all read books on productivity elite performance we all want to be less distracted but i think the missing link to personal mastery is not in the head it's not a new technique it's doing the emotional healing that releases the blockages that build intimacy with who we truly are and as you do that through the offer tool and the other tools that i talk about each day there's a payoff yeah and it's that there there's a metaphor i start off the everyday hero manifesto with and it's and i actually saw this monument but i was in thailand and and i i heard about this golden buddha and um long story short there was this incredible priceless golden buddha incredibly towering and the monks loved it and the the nationals of the country loved it and then they heard there were going to be these warriors coming in so they had to protect their national monument and their treasure so one monk hatched a plan and he said let's cover it with layer upon layer upon layer of soil so they said that sounds good and they did it eventually the invaders came in and they walked right by it many years later someone was passing by and he saw a glimmer of gold shining out from this mountain of mud and he started digging and he started moving through the layers and every time he moved through the layers there was more and more and more gold that began to shine and he got very excited he brought his friends together and they started moving through the layers and layers and layers of golden buddha until eventually there was this magnificent monument that was gasp worthy and i cannot think of a more honest metaphor for us as human beings you know we are born into genius but many of us get resigned in apathy and mediocrity and it's these layers of doubt disbelief fear the program that we are taught that create these layers over our gold but this work whether it's the afro tool whether it's meditation whether it's prayer whether it's sweat lodge whether it's acupuncture whether it's whatever it is these these modalities allow us to move through the layers if the teacher is right and the discipline is good so we reclaim that golden buddha which is really what the everyday hero is about we all can be heroic we just don't know how to get there and then we're not willing to pay the price to stay with the program what's the biggest thing that gets us in the way of getting to our heroic adventure is it fear doubt insecurity shame pain hurt what is it self-forgetfulness what does that mean what it means is from the moment we are born the world does a con job on our greatest self our early caregivers well-intentioned as they are start messaging their programming their scarcity their belief system onto us we also pick up this micro and macro trauma you're in grade five you don't get invited to your best friend's party you remember it for you you remember it for either someone you're singing loudly in biology class or whatever and someone says you sound terrible you carry that wound for a lifetime you say i want to be a billionaire or an astronaut or a movement maker i want to change the world mommy or daddy or teacher or best friend and they laugh at you and they laugh at you for the next three weeks and then a story gets set up about your undeservability and here's something that any great psychologist will tell you your daily behavior is always matching your deepest beliefs it louis it is our story our story that we can't be in the nba our story that well you know no obviously you need certain physical attributes but your story that you can't build a startup your story that you can't change the world your story that you can't find love because your daily behavior if you don't think you can find love you're not going to ask the person out for a day that's right if you don't think you can launch the startup that will be the next billion dollar or trillion dollar unicorn you're not going to pick up the first book and so i think what it is it's we forget who we are and then we buy into a story that was taught to us and then we keep rehearsing the story intellectually emotionally physically and spiritually daily until it creates a brainwashing and a heart washing and we hypnotize ourselves against us for who we truly are and then we walk out in the world and we see the mandela's the mother terraces the rosa parks's or the kind people on the street or the startup entrepreneurs or the great artists or the amazing bakers and we say but they are not cut from a cloth that i can wear and then we resign ourselves to average self-forgetfulness forgetting who we are and the stories we tell ourselves what were you saying it's the deservedness like the behavior the daily behaviors are are what you're saying something around that deservedness our daily behaviors reflect our deepest beliefs and our income and impact are always aligned with our self-identity our income and impact are aligned with our identity can you share more on that it's this inner story so if you don't if you don't believe you are deserving then you won't find great love if you don't believe that you have been infused with talent and power because you've been put down all your life then you have a self-identity of apathy and victimhood i think a through line through the everyday hero manifesto is you walk out in the world every day and you have a choice you can subscribe to being a victim or you can subscribe to being a hero you've got a whole chapter on that victim to hero leap so growth is one of those habits on a daily basis you feel like 95 percent of people aren't doing consistently that they could be adding what would you say are two more habits that the 95 are doing well again you know even the question makes me feel um like a to answer it would be almost like i'm disrespecting people because i'm i'm i don't want to sound like i'm talking down but i'd say for me or the people that i mentor growth is is a key habit i call it the 60 second student like at least 60-minute student at least 60 minutes of learning every day is very very powerful i think another great habit is the five great hours rule that i talk about in the book it takes most producers two weeks to do five world class hours of work because we haven't set up our ecosystem because we're not getting in the flow state and transient hypofrontality because we're constantly checking our phone if you look at the great geniuses they all had one thing in common they spent long periods of time alone in their work lab thinking about solutions to their biggest problems so this five great hours rule it's set up your workplace so you're you cannot be distracted set up your devices so you can do real work versus fake work and do five sweaty intense flow state hours versus playing around and then after that you get the rest of the day off you know if you start at eight you finish at one you can go mountain biking be with your family enjoy your life do all those kinds of things so that i think is a great habit you know i'm going to obviously get it saying getting up early and installing the 5am club method it takes 66 days according to the research of university college london to set install a new habit imagine getting up at 5 am doing your moaning protocol of exercise supplementation journaling prayer meditation etc sounds like a lot but learning chemistry the first time sounds like a lot learning italian the first time sounds like a lot falling in love when you're clueless sounds like a lot until it becomes easy so once you do these kinds of things a good pre-sleep routine is good i mean there's just so many different habits that you've learned so much you've accomplished so much what do you think is the thing that's holding you back from your next level of your genius of your greatness i've got a great family life i've got a great partner i've got wonderful children my parents are in their 80s my dad was a family physician for 54 years he's retired they're healthy thank god i get to do work i love i'm you know i'm not i'm not this financial titan or but i love my craft i love serving um i get to live in the places that i want to live i live a relatively simple life so i'm in i'm in a good place um i just want to i don't know if there's a lot of blocks i just want to keep on writing after i finished the every day here in manifesto i thought it was my last book but i think right now i want to got five more in your mind yeah i got 47 more in my mind when do you doubt yourself the most when i'm tired when i'm tired i think it's probably the the cortisol pulsing through my through my system i i doubt myself when i'm when i'm in a season in my life where i'm meant to have not productive growth but spiritual growth i start to doubt myself when you're pushing more in something as opposed to spiritually growing you mean well i actually believe we have a higher power and a higher power isn't necessarily god or spirit or the universe as people call it i believe we have our our wounded self well like we get knocked around in life so we forget who we are so we've got our wounded self call it our egoic self and we've got our our heroic self and to me that's our higher power and every single person on the planet today has a higher self this is the part of us that actually knows the answers to our deepest questions this is the part of us that knows we need to be good it's the part of our self that instinct is so much more powerful than intellect so it's the part of us that is the instinct the silent whispers of here's what you should be doing we have a this higher power is the part of us that's unbreakable even if physically we're broken it was albert camus who said in the midst of winter i discovered within me an invincible summer we have this when we do the work to move through the layers and start to reclaim ourselves does it happen in a day no but day by day by day we get closer and closer and closer we connect with this higher power and i believe this higher power when we let go of control yeah and we just say okay i'm i'm going to be led by this instinct or to be to be tactical you know follow your joy but i found in my life that there are just seasons it could be two years it could be five months where i am meant to be writing books and recording courses and doing social media posts and like getting up at 4 15 in the morning and working out with trainers and i trust that lead and then almost naturally natively and i think i've got better at this there's a time where i'm supposed to sunbathe more there's a time when i'm not supposed to work i don't have any ideas you know i'm more and i just trust that that's a season where i'm not supposed to be producing and then there's times where i just feel frustrated sorry sorry but to answer your question it's like there are just times where frustration comes up i don't feel like i'm doing enough i don't feel like i'm honoring my talents and that to me is a symptom of okay this is a season where i'm going to go out of the world into the wilderness and i meant to do some spiritual healing and the last thing i'd say about that is sometimes you can feel guilty because you're not producing but what i say in the everyday hearing manifesto is please let us start to discern and get to know when we're supposed to be spiritual when we're supposed to be worldly productive and if we're not worldly productive but we're being spiritually productive that's even more valuable yeah and i don't think crops are guilty right after they've been harvested and there's nothing to produce you know for the next few months you've got to take the time for the soil to recover you've got to plant the seeds again and then you've got to water and you've got to grow it until it's time to harvest again and i'm a big sports guy and my whole you know life has been based around sports growing up and there was a time that you want to peak as an athlete going into the playoffs you want to peak you don't want to be burned out going into the playoffs but then after the playoffs there's a natural season of rest recovery reflection where then you see okay what do i want to do for the next season and i remember i was big into baseball my whole life until my senior year i was like i don't think i want to play baseball this year you know i went and did track instead and there was that rest recovery and reflection season after the season that allowed me to clear my mind and see what do i want next with my life what's my vision moving forward in this new chapter of my life so i think that's important that you talked about that i'm curious to then you mentioned a time of spiritual reflection having these space and time what would you say was the biggest wound that your ego had to face in the last five years and maybe it was small compared to certain things you've had in the past but i'm just in the last five years again you've been people look at you as this extremely successful individual leader creator author with all the you know the results you've created in your life and so many other people's lives but in the last five years what would you say well there have been a few things i would say a number of years ago maybe like seven or eight years ago i was in a long-term relationship that um i choose i chose to walk away from that was very difficult for many reasons and i spent a lot of time journaling and praying and meditating and being out in nature and reflecting on first of all my part in the situation but what i could learn from it and then using the current situation to heal ancient wounds i mean that is how you can be an alchemist of sorts and turn tragedy into triumph by using every like fear came up because of that situation sadness came up but sadness could not come up if it had not been pre-existing there's a wonderful idea if it's hysterical it's historical so we know the size of the pre-existing right we know this we know the size of the pre-existing wound by the size of the current overreaction so if we have the awareness and then choose to use the difficulty to remake us and transfigure us then you you then you triumph over adversity so that that was something that was really big for me i'd say also what was the lesson from that experience well we'd have to spend 10 hours like thousands of lessons yeah you know like if you don't go full in you actually are creating self-fulfilling prophecy there was less enough being a better communicator on both parts there was the lesson of picking one thing i learned is i don't believe in opposites attract for me i've learned that compatibility alignment attracts excuses it's massive like you know like disc compatibility can be very fun and very fiery in the first six months and then you're like i watched this i was reading this article about this very famous divorce lawyer and she she had a line in her interview and it was powerful lewis and i think you might find it interesting she's talking about relationships and she was asked you know what you've seen so many relationships fall apart uh-huh what'd you say she said um ten thousand dinners and he said the interviewer said what do you mean she said well you've gotta ask yourself i mean looks fade and all these other things fade and you've got to ask your look at that person that you want to be with and ask yourself do you have the compatibility and do you have the friendship and you have the great conversations required to enjoy 10 000 dinners with that person so those would be some of the things i learned about that over the past number of years like any person who's running a business i've had partners completely let me down who promised things that they didn't deliver i've had people betray me uh and take advantage of me et cetera et cetera et cetera i think that's that's just part of life one thing i do want to say is i work with a lot of billionaires and many of the billionaires have one formula they have lost 80 percent on their investments not giving financial advice but they've lost 80 or 90 but they invested in a few companies that caused them to become billionaires and it's very easy when you make mistakes to think you're doing something wrong and what i want to say to all your many many millions of followers and watchers and listeners is failure is the price of greatness failure is the highway to success you've got to get in like you've got to leave no stone on turns you've got to develop this hardiness and resilience and anti-fragility so that you were willing to make mistakes you won't always have the right teammates you won't always have the right partners you won't always make the right decisions lick your wounds and move on it's far better the the discomfort of growth is always so much more value than the illusion of safety ooh yeah the discomfort of growth is more valuable than the illusion of safety right because all those people you ask me not judging but just reporting living life saying it sounds like a lot of work growing sounds like a lot of work building great relationships sounds like a lot of work emotional healing sounds like a lot of work setting your intentions and goals sounds like a lot of work being an excellent person sounds like a lot of work but what's the alternative you get to the last hour of your last day and you look back on your life and you think about all the potential and genius you've left on the table you think about the experiences you didn't have the food you didn't eat the music you didn't listen to and part of building like in the season of productivity part of building is not that you get ffa fame fortune and applause part of building is you get to know your strengths and you get to know your talents that's that's the reward not the outer the outer win yes opposites don't attract them what were you attracting in the past hmm very dangerous question lewis no um well i i i was trying to say opposites don't attract for me okay i know a lot of relationships where opposites work out perfectly what was i attracting in the past i was attracting i assume you're you're talking about romantic partners and i was attracting the partners perfectly designed to activate the emotional wounding oh you know they were my spiritual teachers they were my they were my soul friends like you know i i usually don't talk about this but i do believe i do believe in karmic contracts i believe i'm a very practical person and i and if anyone's watching it's fine i'm just sharing my truth but i believe there are karmic contracts and i do believe i mean that's why you meet someone and you've never met them and you just go how do you know my favorite food and whoa that's your saying your favorite song too and it's like you spend hours in the in the sunshine just going like i found someone you know and i believe we have i didn't plan to go here i believe we have soul mates and twin flames okay and i believe the soul mates in romantic light relationships they come to us to shatter us and open us and bring us incredible joy but transformation transformational exponential growth okay and where would our lives be but for those people even if they knock us down for a long time and then we have the twin flame which is that's the person where you know relationships are reason season lifetime and i think the twin flame is that's like it's easy and it just flows like i don't do drama anymore yeah yeah you know and it's just it just works yeah i'm all about the peace peace i'm all about the peaceful relationship where there's yeah there's no need for drama there's no need for stress there's no need for anger yelling there's no need for that and that was the previous me that that experienced that from partners being yelled at all the time and i was just like always trying to fix something you know trying to buy peace in a relationship and i realized you can't buy peace you've just got to be peace and then co-create that in alignment with someone else who is peace i was going back to uh you're reminding me i don't know if you ever met wayne dyer did you ever meet wayne i i had went dinner with wayne dyer i shared a platform with him a number of times so um so you knew of him you were friendly but you weren't like buddy like close super close yeah we weren't going to soul cycle together you know we weren't doing sushi but right but you guys respected each other and you knew of each other and yeah that's it yeah that's it he had a quote in one of his i was listening to an audiobook of her his recently where he gave the analogy uh i'm not sure if this was his original analogy but he was talking about you know when we are triggered you know whatever's inside of us comes comes out you know kind of like if you have an orange and you squeeze an orange orange juice comes out right whatever is inside of you comes out when you're under pressure when something pushes you or hits your button or triggers you that's what comes out whatever's inside of you what do you think was inside of you in the past when you're in kind of these previous relationships that maybe were soul mates but not the next level like what was the wound you mentioned the wounds what was the wound that was inside of you that you had yet to transform into a healthier version of orange juice i guess sure just amazing question i would say first of all it takes two to dance so when you can do solos you do a solo dance on the dance floor or down there you can you can do solos so i would say you know i i was attracting partners in some cases that loved drama yeah and i think there was an addiction and that's in many ways an addiction to adrenaline and there's a term you've probably heard about about it but it's called crisis-oriented living and people who suffer from crisis-oriented living if it's peaceful you and i seem to love peace incredibly but people who are dealing and i'm not judging i'm just reporting and then i'll tell you about my side of the equation so people who love crisis-oriented living even if it's the most peaceful no especially when it's the most peaceful moment subconsciously they will create an issue why now you say wow nothing's wrong just this is peace you say why you have everything be in peace this is this is such a such a they do it because they feel safer in the crisis than in the peace because it does because if you look at the childhood background there were always instances where the where in the next moment they didn't know what would happen there was so much crisis going on so as irrational as it sounds they created the crisis because that was safe yeah i think that's incredibly powerful maybe it's familiar well that's what i mean say familiar they knew it yes and people always gravitate towards what's familiar even if it's the most dangerous thing in the world so so that's what i think in some cases i was attracting and these were i must say noble beautiful loving people but we're all flawed we're all in a flawed state as we stumble and kick towards enlightenment i was i think i was similar in attracting certain you know you know i think all great individuals nothing to say negative about them it was all my choosing to uh to attract and choose to be in relationships with those individuals why do you think we are why do you think you attracted that and i'm curious because maybe i can reflect on why i was doing that also sure so yeah i mean i'm glad you didn't let me off the hook and i and i was gonna so my part of it was there was something attractive about that to me there was like a an energy uh what it was just like interesting or exciting or felt it wasn't boring or something or yes i think something in me was attracted to that kind of energy and and i think there was all the positive things because these were just incredible human beings incredible yeah and but we get attracted to the light we get attracted to the dark and i think in a really and i hadn't planned to get into relationships so i'm happy to talk about it but i'm not a relationship expert but for me it's i think i worked with a spiritual healer 15 20 years ago and she was a school a guidance counselor and she said you know this is the most interesting thing she said there were these two people at other ends of the playground and she said i watched it happen they just it was almost like they'd be lying to each other and they were attracted and so there is a lot going on under the surface in relationships that is incredibly powerful and if i may this brings up a really contrarian point which is i want to link this emotional healing in the everyday hero manifesto there's chapters on the big lie of positive thinking and i'd love to get into that if you want to there's track chapters on trauma is a teacher there's this model that i've been teaching it's not only mindset but heart set health set and soul set if you want to really own the game but i want to link what we've been talking about which is emotional healing because you have a lot of entrepreneurs and business builders who follow you and i want to link this work about moving the layers over the book over the gold this work about the afro tool that i talk about this work about going back to what activates you and rather than blaming your partner when you when so-and-so freaks out about the garbage you actually say what was activated within me and use that as an opportunity to heal or you're going through heartbreak disease loss of a loved one loss of a business rather than blaming the world you say what's coming up for me why am i so scared why am i so helpless because you're going that's an activation of a previous time when you felt helpless it's an incredible opportunity to use what's been brought up to make you greater stronger more creative more productive wiser but i want to make a linkage between as we use the moments of every day that disempower us and we heal that emotional activation whether it's the shame the guilt the anger the sorrow the disappointment those those toxic feelings that come up every day or every week when something goes wrong as we start to move through those we start to heal when we start to heal we start to release the repress these repressed emotions that were toxic i call it in the book the field of hurt every time we do some healing we release more of that baggage carl jung the legendary psychologist called it the shadow side we all have a shadow now there are many great productivity experts in the world there are many great people teaching people how to build world-class companies in the world there are many people teaching how to free yourself from distraction so you do great art yeah but i believe and and i've been teaching those things for 26 years and a lot of it's in the everyday hearing manifesto having said that if you do not clear out the shadow side and the field of hurt and all of that repressed and suppressed toxic energy in the form of shame guilt doubt disbelief fear that has built up from the moment you were born yes then you will always be at war with yourself the neurobiologists call it limbic hijack and so then you you if you haven't done that healing you can read all the books and learn all the hacks but you will never have the intimacy with your true self you only have it with your worst self and so you don't really get the ideas that allow you to dominate your domain you don't have the energy to do amazing things your productivity is sabotaged because you've read all the things you've got all the productivity apps but you still are attracted to playing with your phone because it's an escape from the pain of potential unexpressed and if you got that pain of potential unexpressed you're going to be dealing with it subconsciously you're never going to be exponentially productive creative loving etc yeah so how important is being in a constant journey of healing most important job of life and what happens if we don't continuously heal or we just block ourselves from wanting to heal wanting to face those shames insecurities past pains what happens if we block those out for years or decades it's our choice i'm not i'm not going to judge i do believe there are only two reasons why we are alive and i think if we strip away the accessories and the trinkets that the world sells to us as the metrics of success like how many social media likes do you have how much money do you have how much fame in the book i say ff jpf is always more valuable than ffa joy peace and freedom is a million times more valuable than fame fortune and applies and ask anyone who has fame fortune and applies what they would be willing to give for joy peace and freedom so we get to live the great thing about being human is we get to live as we wish and i'm in no position to judge how anyone's living personally i believe when we get to the last hour for our last day and we strip away all the things people are so many people are chasing i deeply believe only two things will matter number one who did you become as compared to our promise how much of it did we materialize through the work we're talking about and number two how many people did we help yeah i mean you know to me it's like and and they're connected because the more you own your truth and move through the layers of fear doubt disbelief into your most creative productive powerful loving decent noble self the more you will start to see yourself as an instrument of service to the world i think that's our fundamental nature it's to give what happens when we don't look at our life in service to other people if we don't think of ourselves as i'm here to be of service to my you know couple of friends or my family you know in a smaller group at start or if we just don't look at our life from a place of being of service what happens to us i think we incrementally die before before our death i i believe i i definitely believe in living a beautiful life i i definitely believe in doing good for yourself and your family it's incredibly important i i've written a book called the monk who sold his ferrari but there's nothing wrong with getting a ferrari i don't have one i'm more interested in this little fiat 500 it's this iconic little car that you know i i did some research on the one for sale for 4 200 euros you know so that's kind of where i'm at in my life right now but i you know we're sensory sensual beings if you want to live a beautiful life good you know materially awesome i'll help you do it having said that so so much joy comes from service i mean i um my life changed when i stood in nelson mandela's prison cell a number of years ago and i and it was just stunning how small it was here was this man incarcerated in robben island for 18 years of 27 years of incarceration he said his greatest regret was his son was killed in a car accident and they wouldn't let him out of prison to attend his funeral et cetera just tortured in so many different ways so i asked the guide i said did you know him and he said yes i served with him as an anc prisoner for eight years come on yes and i said of course what was he like and he paused and he said oh that man was a humble servant i've never forgotten that term to be a humble servant so on my good days that's i i remember it very very deeply and i think if we could all in our own way you know be humble servants and and the paradox is if you want to be a billionaire if you're coming from a place of love humble service wanting to see the people who put food on your table rise and transform your apps your products your services are going to be magic in the job of an entrepreneur is to push mass magic into the marketplace in a world where most business people push mediocrity this is why you know doing the work to come from a place of service and love like again turning down the ear ego learning the tools to turn up the voice of your heroism so you built intimacy with who you truly are this is not just a recipe for happiness it's a recipe to materialize whatever you want right because then you start following your bliss doing what you're going to be best at working with love and excellence and mastery your energy is tireless but you push master work into the world i was in florence recently and and i saw michelangelo's david how was it nice no it was amazing but you know that was a work of love not a work of not a cash grab uh yeah he wasn't doing it to make money back then if if you do if you do something to make money your focused time energy and intention is off pushing the magic that will actually make you money so what should we focus on instead pushing beautiful work into the world working with honor seeing your job as a craft getting better every day what are you talking about in the book the is it the eight forces of wealth are they eight forms of wealth eight forms of wealth eight forms of wealth what what are these forms that we should be thinking about then and applying to our life it's it's an absolutely right revolutionary model that has helped my highest level clients like like the billionaires the titans the sports superstars the movement makers terrifically because a lot of them come to me and they're frustrated they're saying to me for example i've got 14 billion dollars i've got the yacht i've got the private jet or two i've got six homes and i filled my life with so much complexity stress and stress i don't i'm not enjoying any of it and so the eight forms of well they'll just if you like i'll go through them so the model is in the book but it's the first one is self-mastery our society the context is our society has told us you are successful if you have a lot of money essentially that's it even if you hear sometimes people introducing podcasts we have so and so here whoa i can't wait today he's got he's like he's a true billionaire well what about the ditch digger what about the firefighter what about the teacher but our society has hypnotized us i can't believe it today i'm talking to a billionaire so money is only one form of wealth the other forms of wealth self-mastery i mean why did the great saints seers and sages talk about self-knowledge it's one of the greatest forms of wealth the temple of delphi had a little inscription at the entrance know thyself once you know we we've been talking about self-knowledge that's a lot of work it's the secret of joy so self-knowledge self-mastery incredible form of wealth getting to know yourself getting to know your true powers versus your fake powers your creativity your heroism second form of wealth is family my partner and i we went to her grandmother's 90th birthday a while ago wow i sat her i had a chance to sit down with her i love i try to sit next to elders on airplanes and on trains and interview them i said what's the most important thing you've learned from life after 90 years or 89 years and she said family you know and for me family is so important like what's the point of being a success in the world if you've lost your family in the process and serving your family you know and creating what i call perfect moments for your family so family is incredibly important third form of wealth is health someone once said to me health is the crown on the well person's head that only the ill person can see i've worked with super rich people as their mentor they got sick because of what it took to get there now you can do it with balance and health of course great health but they lost their health and now they don't care about their money all they're doing is traveling the world looking for healers and doctors to try to get their health back so health fourth form of wealth is craft it's such a great form of wealth to fall in love what you do i was sharing before the before we started you know when even when i journal about my work it's in air quotes because it's not work for me it's it's it's a privilege so your craft like just each day being on the process of getting better learning more reading more books watching more podcasts polishing refining optimizing it's such a great source of joy pushing pushing yourself to the razor's edge of your highest talents is such a source of enthusiasm next form of wealth would be money of course you know it's important it allows you to do amazing things it gives you freedom to make wonderful choices and it allows you to get involved in philanthropy which i i'm a big proponent of philanthropy um helping children with leprosy rise is my focus right now next form of wealth would be adventure we are we're nomadic we are meant to travel we are meant to take risks we are we are meant to grow we are meant to seek awe and wonder even if it's just an l.a sunrise did you see this these sunset last night every night it's pretty magically here i mean if you go and watch the sunset here you're gonna be like 10 minutes yeah it's spectacular the way it hits the mountains the way it hits the ocean it's it's special here yes and i think adventure even if it's just a conversation with someone interesting so that would be the next form of wealth your circle of genius your cog spending time and surrounding your life with people who are living the lives you want is a form of wealth stripping out the energy vampires the dream stealers streaming street stripping out the toxic people stripping out the people who don't get you can we talk about the place you're at in your sure so you you told me you're feeling so much peace in your relationship right now can i ask you a question yeah does your partner get you like no one else has ever got you she understands and accepts me a hundred percent 100 and it's beautiful well i think a lot of it is part of the partly m half my responsibility of like entering the relationship saying this is a hundred percent of who i am this is everything from my past that i'm proud of that i'm not proud of my mistakes my flaws my insecurities i'm not changing who i am i'll i'll grow and i'll be on a journey of growth forever but this is who i am and she was like i love all of it and i was like okay cool let's let's hang out for a while and see if that's actually true and her actions and behaviors kept matching that in her words and i was like okay this is amazing so it feels beautiful peaceful yeah and and understood but also like celebrated for who you are you know that's what something she does in a big way that and i'm sure you realize it but that is worth all the gold and that's incredible incredible often often we need to i've seen this with my clients they get to a place of wealth to realize economic wealth is not that wealthy i mean how much does it take to live a beautiful life not that much so then why do people need as much as they think they do so what you just shared with me someone who gets you is is an incredible form of wealth yeah so the next form of fault is circle of genius being surrounded by your your your love partner your family et cetera people who get you yeah i know some people are going to go yeah but what if my family doesn't get me that's another conversation and then the final one is service i used to call it legacy there's a chapter at the end of the everyday hearing manifesto where i actually everyone's talking about legacy right now joseph campbell to live in the hearts of those you leave behind is not to die i used to believe in it so much what will be your mark on the world marcus aurelius and meditations he says it does not matter what the chattering tongues of prosperity say about you and as i say in the chapter i say we're all going to die we're going to be a pile of dust whether you're a billionaire or a street sweeper we end up as a pile of i don't know how big it is but i'm just you know for the purpose of wilding up as a pile of dust and someone's urn next to their little league trophies above their fireplaces that's all we are so it doesn't matter how we live how we're remembered after we're dead what matters viscerally is how we live and serve and create and produce while we are alive yeah and so the chapter is just like legacy doesn't matter it's it's a and it's a sport of an ego getting your name on a hospital wing is a sport of an ego true giving is anonymous giving and so the final form of wealth was like leave a legacy but now it's it's just service and i believe you know i've i've lived a fair number of years and i really believe that it's an incredible form of wealth to serve people who are in need through your work absolutely i'm a big a big fan of that and i think some of the greatest joy comes from when i'm in service you know anonymously uh and i also a big i'm also a big believer that and maybe i need to learn more here that it's okay to share when you're making an impact sometimes like some there's a lot of times when making donations or just helping other things that no one ever knows about but then there are certain times where i'm like i also want to inspire others to do the same so here we are you know building schools or something with an organization or here i am doing something with another charity and some things i want to share and hope that others will see oh there's a lot of joy in giving maybe maybe i can do more of this in my life so maybe maybe i'm wrong there in that that thought process but um i think it's always checking in am i doing this to try to look good or am i doing this to try to inspire others to do the same and i think that's where i try to come from to me it comes down to what i call the root intention exactly so what i hear you saying louis is your root intention is to spy inspire others which i think is very noble i think i could definitely learn from you on on that point which is i i have a belief system which is oh if i show that i'm giving then i'm showing off mm-hmm yeah that's the canadian background it's very canadian and it's also my fault like family right like you know you know you don't you know of course and i'm all for that i think there's the intention behind it it's like yeah but how can we also as as individuals trying to make a bigger impact inspire others to be more giving you know inspire others to get out of their comfort zone and serve at a greater level in their communities their families their you know the mission that they're on that's that's my belief right now i may be wrong but it's a great point i i'd love to ask you as honestly as possible and you've always been so honest every time i've interacted but like at your deepest core what do you want your life at where you're at what do you want your life to represent or stand for right now like when i'm done or like in the moment right now for me it's being a symbol of inspiration i want to be you know i remember when i started the school of greatness which uh yesterday was the nine-year anniversary since we're filming this bravo thank you and i remember when i started it i was coming up with an ideas for like okay i'm gonna do a show this podcast thing which at the time nine years ago no one really knew what a podcast was there wasn't many of them out there this was pre the multiple waves of you know podcasts that have come out in the last nine years i had to tell people like hey i've got a podcast go here in a computer click on this thing go down you know there was no easy way of accessing it but i remember thinking to myself what do i want to call this and i called a few friends and they're like why don't you just call it the lewis house show and i don't think there's anything wrong with calling your show or your anything your name or your company or i don't think there's anything wrong with it but i remember thinking to myself going through like an ego transformation at the time and i'll probably always be going through that but at the time going through a big eu transformation where a lot of my 20s was about me accomplishing succeeding winning being acknowledged uh you know being clapped for all those things excelling winning awards i realized um [Music] there was something missing inside of me like there was something that was not i never felt good still like what accomplished all these things i was like but why am i not happy still why am i still like angry why am i still upset and needing to like prove people wrong still so i went through my own journey of healing on a few things there and then when i started this i was like i want this to be a symbol bigger than me i don't want it to be about me i want to be about others i want to put the spotlight on everyone else i want to shine the light on people like yourself robin and bring wisdom from other people to an audience that i curate and cultivate and facilitate so it's not going to be the lewis house show although maybe in the future i do a show called my name i don't know but i remember thinking i'm going to call it something else with me and the school of greatness was about the things i wish i would have learned growing up as a kid that i didn't have access to the tools the skills the knowledge that i wish they would have taught me in school and that was that was something that rang true for me nine years ago that i wanted to be a symbol of inspiration bigger than me not about me and i today is the same thing and in this world of social media and marketing there's a balance of building personal brand and putting yourself out there so people are aware of you and your message and the content you're building and also trying to just continue to put the spotlight on others so it's it's uncomfortable for me to post like photos of myself by myself on social media it's just become uncomfortable because i haven't done it that much i've always just posted everyone else and put out their message like there'll be a clip of us and it'll be about you on my social media but i'm starting to do more of sharing my story because i think people want to see more of me they're following me as well so i'm trying to post some of that also but it's a dance where i don't want to be too you know self-promotional and make it about me but i also know that's what brings people in to share the message so but my my intention right now has to be a symbol a symbol of inspiration to help people improve the quality of their life that's the message that's the intention you already are right and i'm smiling too because i was thinking rude intention because on my instagram i've started posting more pictures of myself yes but my root intention isn't looking to show off this morning i did pictures of me doing a video of me doing you know terrible push-ups but it's exactly your intention it's it's just it's to inspire absolutely and and what i've realized is if i can show pictures of me my family me on a walk or whatever whatever people do want to get that inside look at yeah what books are you reading how do you live what supplements do you take what is the morning routine i think it can be an incredible mechanism of service like this is my 26th year in the leadership and personal mastery field and i just i've seen it change so much and social media is an incredible incredible blessing and it's it can be a tyrannical and vicious master so i think used wisely technology is a beautiful thing you just wanted to be yours your slave and not your god i believe yeah absolutely yeah so that's where i'm at now but we'll see i love these eight forms of wealth what do you think is the most if you could only focus on three let's say you had to get rid of the other five and the three what are the top three most important forms of wealth um i'd say four because they're all so important i know but if i had to fall away i i okay i'd say self-mastery isn't i think it's the main aim of life it's to discover who you truly are through the times in the valley of darkness and the times at the mountain in the sunshine so working on yourself number two family not an order but family i just feel so blessed to have a great family and it provides me with so much joy and like setting like i love great great food and i love great experiences and setting up meals where i might cook some bucatini alimony and getting just the candles right and i make a playlist for it and it's just seeing them you know seeing them eat especially when i cook for my kids you know i know it's it's very special when i make they love pasta so i'll do like a like a quechua pepe or something like that one of my favorite pastas and they're watching me cook and this and all sudden when they start eating it and there's total silence in the room you know it's like one of the like you know it's just so joyful to cook and see them enjoying the food so i'd say family craft lewis's is so central to my well-being and my joyfulness and my ability to continue i i i love i mean i rewrote the everyday hero manifesto i'd say 22 23 times i paul you'll see there's models in there on productivity and on spiritual heavyweightness on a living a world-class life there's one chapter in there called the titans deconstruction which literally deconstructs why superstars and world-class companies fail i mean blackberry was a client of ours and last week i saw a little picture in i think it was business week or something if they just turned out the lights at blackberry in other words they just they they no longer they turned off support for anyone who has a blackberry holy cow this was recently uh two weeks ago weren't there like a multi-billion dollar company one time what was the highest valuation they were at multi-billions and and i have to tell you guess what was right above it apple just went over three trillion oh my goodness so it was fascinating to me but there is a there is a process that sports superstars business titans movement makers great companies go through where they decline and that's one of the models in the book that i've been sharing for years at my events and that but i wanted to share pretty much like every part of my methodology i did i tried to i tried to get every word right i tried to get every line right and i don't know it's just it makes my craft feels makes me feel and credit it's like you're showing respect for people so that's three and then the fourth without a doubt is is service yeah it's it's you know if there's someone in need i i learned this from pal gasol he's great when he was the center of the lakers there's the picture of him and i at the end of the book because we were having dinner together and i it's great he's great he came to one of my live events and i drove him to the airport and i noticed when he walked in there everyone saw who he was people were giant right people were running to him asking for autographs asking for pictures and he gave picture after picture he had endless patience smile on his face graciousness as he was at the boarding gate i said pow you stopped to sign every single every single autograph you took every single picture your limitless patience and he said something to me that i love he said robin it takes so little to make someone happy yeah and there's a quote in the book it's like if i will only pass this way once therefore if i have the opportunity to make someone's life better may i do it because i may not have the opportunity again so to me service especially in the world that we're living in right now just showing some acts of humanity and being kind as simple as it sounds is incredibly important yeah this reminded me of um the rock talks about this almost every month on his instagram he's like one of the the best parts about fame is getting to make people's day like just bumping into someone and giving someone a photo or just saying something nice for someone or you know video chatting someone who's going through a hard day and him just getting to light up their day he's like it's the best part about being famous and i never take it for granted so it's cool about powell that's great um and uh powell just seems like a great guy we've messaged a few times i'm trying to get him on the show as well but he seems like a great guy um what was that you mentioned something in there about from blackberry and apple and you mentioned that every business at some point goes through a decline maybe it's a seasonal decline maybe it's years or decades but there's a a dip somewhere what takes a great company or a great human for that matter to go from a decline season to you know incredible growth well the first thing is andy grove the co-founder of intel said only the paranoid survive and i think one must be an optimistic paranoid in business you want to hope for the best but you never want to lose the fire in the belly because there is such a small fall from world class to obsolescence and so it's hard enough to get to world class as a human being and as a business but the game of the legends is to sustain world class because the key to legendary is longevity yeah not just a one-hit wonder one year at the top but consistently absolute how many frank sinatra's are there how many u2's are there how many kanye's are there how many would you talk about hotels or restaurants can they're hot for two they're the place everyone wants a reservation to for two years how many places can do it for 50 years to me that's like business-wise that's where i play like that's what i'm fascinated by like i deconstruct how do the entertainment legends maybe it's a dicaprio maybe it's a de niro how do they do it when other people truly are one-hit wonders and there's a recipe if you want we can go through the model of the the titans decline and here are the elements so let's say it happens to a lot of sports stars let's say they become world class and that's why i love the last dance with michael jordan they lost in the finals and the next day he said rather than taking the summer off 5 am he was in the gym practicing and that's what made jordan jordan so let's say you get to the apex of world class the first thing that happens is the contamination of arrogance uh you think you're you're the hot stuff and exactly it's called hubris and it is a human attraction and such a seduction that is to be avoided all at all costs it's like you made it everyone everyone tells you you are the best you are celebrated you get everything you want you get the best table and the best restaurant etc you start to believe your own media clippings and that's the beginning of the end so in ancient rome there was a military commander called the dux and he had a slave that would stand behind him and do one thing lewis he would whisper in the ear of the military commander and he would say memento homo momento homo momento homo which in latin translates to remember you're just a man yeah the the the beautiful the olympics right they put a a crown of laurels over your head and they say don't rest on your laurels this is such a huge snare it's like the thing about a master is she never believes she's a master she always protects the white belt mentality so the first part of the decline is a contamination of arrogance and it could be culturally in the company as well it's like everyone starts believing drinking the kool-aid and thinking they're the best and they stop wowing the customer they stop innovating they stop getting up early they stop over delivering they stop learning but it definitely happens to people when they get to the top they stop going to seminars they stop listening to podcasts they say things like yeah i don't need to go i've heard that before dangerous the next step is resting on laurels so you just you say here's the key you've done more than most people ever thought you'd do and they that you thought you do it's so hard to keep on going to develop an anti-retirement i mean how many people get to the top and still do the very things that got them to the top hard practices strong training early mornings when mike tyson was a world at the very top he said he only did three things he trained with customato he'd eat and he'd sleep yeah next step on the on the decline in the model is mediocrity creep you see this with hotels you see with airplanes you see it with you see it everywhere it's like broken window syndrome there was a place it was a suburb of new york you know there was a broken window no one cared because it's just a broken window because there were broken windows other broken windows happened because there were broken windows they allowed junk on the thing because junk wasn't and trash was allowed that and crime sort how many times do you see that with people they get to the top and they lose the oad obsessive attention detail the commitment to excellence at you know pushing the limit and you see it in companies all the time like you go to a great restaurant that was iconic they don't go to the same place to get the fresh food the managers the owner is no longer walking the floor shaking hands the people at the front no longer care and welcome like royalty i don't know if you've experienced this but you go to the restaurant or you go to the store and you feel like they are doing you a favor taking care of you yeah then there's dimming the best in world fire loss of extreme training and then you get to self-generated obsolescence self-generated obsolescence once you stop doing all these things you become a thing of the past people forget about you become irrelevant yeah i think the kiss of death as a creator as an artist is you just become irrelevant you're not part of the conversation anymore how does a creative or artist not worry about being irrelevant but just focus on creating and putting out good work even if people don't give it attention but if you love it how do they overcome that fear of no one cares no one matters or they cared five years ago when i did this one thing you know the musician has to sing the hits from 20 years ago as opposed to the new creations how do you overcome that well one of my favorite movies is with will m defoe and it's called at eternity's gate and willem dafoe played vincent van gogh and vincent van gogh was poor his entire life there's a scene in the movie louis where vincent van gogh was put into an insane asylum for his habits and his work vincent van gogh wow and there's a scene where i think it's michael madsen or something madison is playing the curator or the head of the psychiatric institution he says i want to speak to vincent he's got one of vincent's etchings he said vincent do you really think this is art and he looks at it and he said yeah i do and i share that point because vincent van gogh i believe he never sold a painting in his lifetime or he might have sold one i cannot think of a better story to answer your question which is the real artists don't do it for the glory they do it for the art the real makers and creators and titans they do it for the beauty and the honesty of honoring what's in them even if the world doesn't understand it no because every visionary is initially ridiculed before they're revered it's it's sad that some of the great visionaries are only recognized three generations later yeah maybe even the greater the visionary the the less the status quo will understand it there's there's a chapter in the book the troll deconstruction it's the same thing like how do you deal with trolls i deconstruct it into 10 points but one of them is dylan said don't criticize what you don't understand and j.k rowling said for some to love you some must loathe you so what i'd say is if you're doing really amazing work do it for yourself and what it makes of you to produce the magic into the world and if people hate you maybe that's just testimony to the fact you've released a masterwork because fear screams loudest when your magic is closest um is there anyone in the world who just is putting out great work that doesn't have haters or leaders in the world and business or politics or music or art that doesn't have critics trolls haters is that possible i don't i don't think so mother teresa's of the world that you know the people that are doing the most good do they all have haters and trolls also yes i i was in um mother teresa's mission and um i i there's a like a sort of um a model of her praying on her knees praying and i in the area i i did a prayer just and i posted that picture i don't know two years ago and it was incredible like i was stunned it was incredible all the criticism of her work mother teresa yeah it was incredible how many people didn't felt she wasn't who she professed to be and i'm not judging or so i think the very light attracts angels and it attracts moths and i believe the more you shine your light the more you will evoke and attract the dark forces right because you'll activate cynics are degenerated dreamers so as you show your possibility through your art and your magic and your work and your light and your love people can either celebrate you and you can be a model of possibility or you can activate the pain if they're potential unexpressed and they're not aware enough of it and so they throw rocks at you and i think our job is to take the rocks people throw at us and build them into monuments of mastery that's beautiful man i'm loving all this i feel like we can go for hours on this but you've got this book that's got so many nuggets in here i love this style of book because it's you know two pages three pages for a chapter so for me that helps my brain get through and you can just open it up to any page and you've got like three to five pages of wisdom in here so a lot of great stuff in here um it is called the everyday hero manifesto activate your positivity maximize your productivity and serve the world by robin sharma i hope you guys get a few copies of this book because this could inspire you it's something you can pick up from time to time you can read it all the way through you can just pick it up on the copy table and be reminded of your greatness so i want you guys to get a few copies uh because this is a great playbook for optimizing your life check this out they can get it everywhere online but is there a specific website you want to send people to to get it or anything else amazon audible people are loving the audiobook bookstores around the world i do want to say a portion of my royalties goes to help children suffering from leprosy so people not only learn how to live their greatest life in terms of productivity and happiness and decency and impact but they also help kids who are really in need that's cool that's very cool robinsharma.com you're all over social media now putting yourself out there in the world uh instagram is that your main place robin sharma i like instagram yeah instagram and youtube there you go uh so make sure you guys all follow robin everywhere on social media i've got a couple final questions uh before i ask the two final questions i want to acknowledge you robin for constantly showing up again you sold 20 million copies of your books you've done you know events for 26 years now you've been creating work art courses all this stuff for a long time you don't have to do any more of this but you keep showing up in a creative genius way of putting out new information in a way that we can understand it consume it and improve our life so i really acknowledge you for showing up authentically beautifully and living a uh a magical life yourself you know you're doing the work you're traveling the world you're enjoying your life so i really acknowledge you for being the example and sharing it with all of us with these books and the work that you do thank you very much of course man thanks nice and um i asked you this before but let's see what you've got uh different truths this time so i've got them in front of me so if people want to see what your three truths were previously we'll link up the episode in the interview we did from your previous three truths but i don't know if you remember this question but if it was your last day on earth hypothetical scenario many years away you accomplish everything you want to accomplish and live your life but for whatever reason all of your work has to go with you or it goes somewhere else but it's not here on this earth your books your content your courses audio everything's gone but you get to leave behind three lessons with the world that you would share what i call three truths what would you say are those three truths for you number one there are no extra people on the planet everyone can be a everyday hero if they do the work daily secondly i would say small daily seemingly insignificant improvements lead to stunning transformations when done consistently over time third truth it comes from the founder of rotary you know and it's uh the person that serves the best prophets the most oh that's a good one i like that a lot that is true um final question what's your definition of greatness having the wisdom guts and self-love to honor your promise at all costs rob appreciate you my man thank you well the first skill you got to master to be great is the ability to recognize patterns when humanity recognized the pattern of the seasons the whole world changed because we went from hunter gatherers trying to survive from place to place where we're exposed to everything to wait a second

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