Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super Review, Now With 16GB Of VRAM!

[Music] welcome back to Harbor unbox today we are checking out nvidia's new GeForce RTX 4070 TI super a product named so poorly that you would be forgiven for thinking it's a meme but no the ti super is now actually a thing and as silly as it sounds the specs do look pretty great 16 GB of vram using ad 103 silicon so it should perform rather well but before we find out today's sponsor spot is brought to you by Asus and their latest range of z790 motherboards supporting 12 13th and 14th generation Intel core processors for those of you seeking a budget friendly option one of our favorite z790 motherboards is the tough gaming z790 Plus available in either ddr4 or ddr5 variants with and without Wi-Fi there's also the recently updated version called the tough gaming z790 Pro featuring ddr5 exclusively but for those of you seeking something a bit more high-end we've tested a number of excellent z790 STS boards and for my personal gaming system I'm using the Rog stricks z790 F gaming Wi-Fi Which packs loads of usb3 ports PD 3.13 W charging and a powerful vcor vrm using 16 90 AMP power stages and right now for Australian viewers you'll receive a free Corsair Vengeance RGB 32 GB ddr5 6000 cell 36 memory kit when you purchase select Asus z790 motherboards with an Asus allinone liquid cooler so for more information please check the link in the video description okay so unlike other 4070 class products the 4070 TI super moves away from the 8104 silicon and instead uses the same 0103 silicon as the RTX 480 now these upgrades should help the 4070 TI super better compete with the radon RX 7900 XT which is now regularly available for $750 us for rization performance the 7900 XT easily beat the 4072 and armed with 20 GB of vram it felt like a true high-end offering despite the weaker rate tracing performance which is still quite an issue anyway let's take a look at the performance and then we'll dive into the cost per Frame data for testing we're using our ryzen 7 7800x 3D test system with 32 GB of DDR 56000 memory using the latest display drivve all data has been validated and updated for this video and in total we've tested 12 games some with and without ra tracing enabled and the resolutions of focus for this review are 1440p and 4K okay let's get into it actually before we get into the results a quick note on a last minute issue that cropped up I filmed this section just had to add it last minute and that's because just a day before the review was set to go live Nvidia reached out informing us that there was a potential performance related issue with the MSI RTX 470 TI super Ventus 3x GPU and that was a problem because I did most of my testing with that model now Nvidia claimed they discovered an issue with the MSI model where performance was approximately 5% below where it should be when compared to other aib models they didn't really specify if it was up to 5% slower in some instances or whether this was an overall thing but regardless this was a problem because my review uh well it needed to be retested and that would take days and days of my time not to mention having to recreate all the graphs update the script re-record dually editing all that sort of stuff so despite all that I dropped everything and decided to investigate by testing the Asus tough gaming model which thankfully I did have on hand after going over all of the data I found at most a 4% increase in a single title at just one of the tested resolutions and most games saw at most a 1% increase so pretty typical performance variance there between aib models now after speaking with SI they confirmed mixed reports with some seeing a little to no difference between the Ventus 3x and something like a tough gaming like myself While others saw up to a 5% difference now given how small the change was in my testing I have stuck with the original data for this review as 1% overall isn't really going to change anything but in any case I will update the 407 tii super data for upcoming RTX 280 super review next week so you'll have the most accurate possible POS data 1% or otherwise anyway let's get back into the data I promise we're about to go over all of the graphs first up we have a plague Tower requium and at 1440p using the ultra quality preset but with rate tracing disabled so we will look at the rate tracing results soon anyway here the 4070 TI super spat out 104 FPS making it 7% slower than the 7900 XT and just 5% faster than the original 4070 TI then jumping up to 4K K sees the ti super slip further behind the 7900 XT now trailing by a 9% margin with 60 FPS on average next up we have Resident Evil 4 and at 1440p this time the ti super is faster than the 7900 XT though only by a mere 5% margin which meant it was just 4% faster than the 4070 TI which is a bit of a disappointing result increase in the resolution to 4K was enough to see the 7 100 XT hit the lead though the ti super was just 3% slower so performance overall was basically the same here now moving on to cyber Punk 2077 you might be surprised to find the ti super Trails the 1700 XT here by a 9% margin at 1440p though keep in mind we are yet to enable R tracing also quite disappointing to see is the fact that the 4070 TI super was just 3% faster than the original 47 70 TI pumping up the resolution to 4K though did favor the 1700 XT a little bit more and now the ti super is 7% slower though it is also 6% faster than the standard 4070 TI Hogwarts Legacy was tested using the ultra quality preset and at 1440p we find that the ti super is 10% slower than the 1700 XT and disappointingly really no faster than the original 4070 TI then at 4K it slips behind the 1700 XT by a 14% margin only matching the old 6950 XT though oddly it is now 23% fast than the RTX 4070 TI next up is Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 3 and this one's been tested using the extreme preset and of course we will start with the 1440p data here the ti super is 23% slower than the 7900 XT and bizarrely 4% slower than the 4070 TI which frankly shouldn't be possible however I'm not the only reviewer to find this I have spoke with other reviewers who have seen similar data and apparently inid are looking into this so perhaps this is a driver related issue but at the time of releasing this video I haven't heard of any fixes I found that the ti super was much slower than the standard 4070 TI at 1080p a little slower at 1440p and then slightly faster at 4K so I'm not exactly sure what's going on here but in any case it's going to land quite a way behind the 7900 XT moving on to Spider-Man remastered we find performance that's pretty well neck and neck between the 700 XT and 4070 TI super with around 200 FPS each that made the ti super 9% faster than the standard 4070 TI and 10% slower than the RTX 480 and we find much the same at 4K here the ti super was just 2% slower than the 1700 XT and 5% faster than the standard 4070 TI Now The Last of Us Part One was tested using the ultra quality preset and at 1440p we see the 4070 TI super was good for 100 FPS on average so basically the same level of performance you can expect to see from the radon RX 7900 XT in this example that's a 12% boost over the 4070 TI and just 8% slower than that of the RTX 480 then at 4K the 7900 XT and 4070 TI super were again neck and neck but we do see a more substantial 177% increase over the standard 4070 TI the ti super is only offering a very minor performance bump in Dying Light 2 boosting the 1440p performance by a mere 3% which meant it was 4% slower than the 7900 XT then at 4K it ends up 6% slower than the Radeon GPU and a rather pathetic 3% faster than the original model so the model it's replacing the RTX 4070 TI next up are the Starfield results and at 1440p the ti super was 6% slower than the 7900 XT and a mere 1% faster than the 4070 ti so that makes it all seem a bit pointless then at 4K it's 8% slower than the radon GPU and again just a single frame faster than the original 4070 ti so in this example just a 2% uplift Allen wake 2 is one of the newest games to be added to our test list and it's both visually impressive and very demanding on Hardware using the highest quality preset both rate racing disabled the ti super is 6% slower than the 7900 XT at 1440p that's because it's just 3% faster than the original 470 and jumping up to 4K that does knock the average frame rate of the ti super down to just 41 FPS making it 5% slower than the 77900 XT it was also just 5% faster than the original 4070 TI which makes this updated model seem yeah a bit pointless I would say the second last game tested is Watchdog Legion and here the ti super is 9% slower than the 17900 XT at 1440p and just 1% faster than the 40702 then at 4K it Trail the 17900 XT by a 10% margin with just 94 FPS on average which is a m 3 FPS boost over the original 47 ETI and for the last of the rasterization results we have Hitman 3 and here the 470 TI super averaged an impressive 172 FPS at 1440p making it 9% faster than the 1700 XT and 8% faster than the original 47 ETI increasing the resolution of 4K though completely flips the results on their head and now the 4070 TI super is 133% slower than the 1700 XT we're also seeing virtually no change in performance between the 4070 TI and 4070 TI super okay so here's a look at the 12 game average covering the raster performance at 1080p the ti super was 6% slower than the 1700 XT and just 3% faster than the 47 ti so pretty disappointing results there overall now the margin to the 1700 XT was the same at 1440p again the ti super 6% slower and just 3% faster than the original 4070 TI So based on that you have to wonder what is the point finally at 4K it's 9% slower than the 17900 XT and then 6% faster than the 4070 ti so not nearly the performance uplift we're expecting based on the specs okay so what about raate tracing performance well to find out I've overhauled our raate tracing benchmarks adding more titles and increasing the RT settings the goal here was 60 FPS or better at 1440 40 P so if upscaling was required to hit that FPS Target it was enabled using the quality setting for either dlss or FSR a plag toil requium doesn't require upscaling for 60 FPS or better with the 4070 TI super so we didn't enable it in this example it was 22% faster than the 1700 XT but just 5% faster than the original 470 so while a good result relative to the AMD GPU a pretty poor performance uplift when compared to the model it's replacing now for the 470 super review I did add Avatar but included in the 12 game Benchmark data despite the fact that it enables raid tracing by default after careful consideration I've decided to move Avatar into our ra tracing benchmarks and because you can't disable R tracing effects in this title I did remove it from the 12 game data the 7900 XT does reasonably well here anyway as the ti super is just 3% faster on average the ti super was also just a frame faster than the 4070 ti so again a much smaller uplift here than what you'd probably expect next up we have Resident Evil 4 and here both the 7900 XT and 470 TI super were good for around a 120 FPS so pretty similar performance there in fact the ti super is really no better than the original model so I'm not really sure what's going on there cyberp punk 2077 Phantom Liberty has been tested using the r Trac Ultra preset which requires the aid of upscaling for 60fps gaming so we've enabled quality dlss for the GeForce gpus and then quality FSR for the radon gpus sadly though the 1700 XT is UN aable to achieve 60 FPS on average rendering just 45 FPS the 470 TI super on the other hand spat out 74 FPS which was the exact same result produced by the standard 4070 TI Marvel's Spider-Man remastered has been tested using the very high quality preset with the very high quality R tracing options enabled and despite maxing out the game we find the 1700 XT and 407 tii super a neck and neck with 126 FPS which is also the same performance seen from the standard 47 ETI now performance in Hogwarts Legacy is somewhat CPU bound even at 1440p which speaks to how poorly optimized this game is and as a result most of the higher end gpus are all producing very similar performance now the RTX 47 hi doesn't require upscaling to exceed 60 FPS in fortnite at 1440p with all the r tracing bells and whistles enabled and as a result it was 27% faster than the 1700 XT here rendering 62 FPS opposed to 49 FPS Ratchet and Clank a rift depart is a very poor title for AMD once R Racing is enabled in this example the 1700 XT fall short of 60 FPS even with FSR enabled meanwhile the 407 tii super spat out 90 FPS using dlss quality mode making it 70% faster than the 7900 XT so a devastating margin there also just as a side note I have no idea why the 7700 XT is broken in this title with Raad tracing enabled I tried multiple driver installs but each time the game turned into a complete slide show this seems like a driver bug to me so hopefully AMD can address it shortly Star Wars yo Survivor does play better with the radon gpus with Raad tracing enabled as we're looking at similar performance between the 7900 XT and 4070 TI super with around 80 FPS on average then finally we have Alan Wake 2 which is a bloodbath for AMD although the rasterized performance is excellent in this title from the Radeon gpus enabling Ray tracing cripples them to the point where even upscaling can't make them usable as a result the 4072 suut was almost three times faster than the 7900 XT okay so here's a look at the 10 game average at 440p here we see that on average the 4070 TI super was 27% faster than the 1700 XT and that's a really poor result for the radi on GPU it's no surprise to find Nvidia winning the rage racing benchmarks though the degree to which they win does depend on the games used Allen wake 2 for example was a shocker for AMD and it certainly helped inflate the margins but it's also a really great looking game and it's playable using rad tracing on the 4070 TI super at 1440p so for me it's a valid result now the only disappointing result here being the fact that the 470 TI super is just 4% faster on average than the original 4070 TI now another big advantage of the GeForce 40 series is power efficiency in Hitman for example the 4070 TI super was 9% faster than the 700 XT at 144 40p and yet it was still able to reduce total system power usage by 8% it's not exactly blowing the 1700 XT out of the water here but it's certainly the more efficient product then taking power readings while testing with Spider-Man remastered sees the RTX 472 super reduce total system consumption by 16% and that's while delivering the same level of performance so a 72 W power saving that's really nothing to scoff at now it's time for the all important cost per Frame data and as usual we'll start with the MSRP figures of course while the 1700 XT MSRP is still $900 it hasn't been a $900 product for a long time basically since its release still without an official change to the MSRP we have to go with $900 and that means the 4072 super is around 6% better value per frame so not amazing but it does make the GeForce GPU a much better buy sadly though when compared to the original 4070 TI the new super version improves value by a mere 3% okay but what about real world pricing for that we have new egg and the first thing I want to address here is the 1700 XT price of $750 right now the cheapest 7950 XT on your EG is actually a discounted ASRock Phantom gaming model for just $710 that seems like a pretty good deal then there are a few XFX and Sapphire models at $730 with the at $750 or more now the reason I haven't gone with the $710 or even $730 prices is because I believe these are limited time only deals meant to reain on nvidia's super parade AMD themselves have said they're working with their Partners to make $750 us the new sweet spot for the 7900 XT so realistically moving forward it should be possible to purchase a 1700 XT for that price and that being the case I'm going to ignore what I think are limited time only deals and instead go with the more realistic long-term price of $750 us that said though I do feel as though this product really needs an official price cut to $700 us to become a viable option at $750 it's just an 11% saving per frame wi compared to the 407 TI super and that's when looking purely at rasterization performance if we were to look at the r tracing data the 1700 XT would end up costing 19% more per frame making the GeForce GPU the obvious choice for anyone interested in rate racing the only disappointing aspect of the 470 TI super is the fact that it's just 3% better than the original 470 TI in terms of value that's not exactly an exciting update is it it's also 20% more costly per frame than the 4070 super offering a mere 11% performance uplift for a 33% price premium okay let's have a quick look at some aib cards and for all of our testing we used the MSI Ventus 3x as it was the first 4072 super model that we received this is a base model card which should be available at the $800 us MSRP now for testing it was installed inside an ATX case with the door closed we had a room temperature of 21° maintained throughout our testing and the card was placed under an hour of gaming load after an hour The Junction temperature peaked at 69° while the GPU Hotpot reached 81° the memory also peaked at 82° and these temperatures were achieved with a fan speed of 1,400 RPM resulting in an operating volume of just 32 DB making the Ventus 3x a quiet graphics card finally the core clock speed averaged 2,700 MHz and the memory ran at the stock frequency of 2,625 MHz also on hand for testing was the assus tough gaming model which should sell for roughly the MSRP the the 4070 TI version for example currently costs $810 us with the OC version at $850 us now look I'm a big fan of these tough gaming models the all metal design is very nice it looks great it feels very premium it's much nicer than the cheap plastic fan shrouds that we're all too used to seeing as for operating Behavior it had Peak Junction temperature of just 63° with a peak hot spot of 75° so 6° cooler than the aventus with a comparable 50 00 RPM fan speed and 32 DB of noise the memory also peaked at just 76° so again 6° cooler than the MSI model then lastly we have the gigabyte gaming OC and currently the 4070 TI version is priced $20 over the MSRP so I expect this super variant to cost at least $820 us as for how it handled we saw a peak Junction temperature of 63° and a peak hot spot of 75° so the same results record reported by the tough gaming the memory though ran at just 68° so 8° cooler than the Asus model and 14° cooler than msi's Ventus 3x now the fan speed did reach 1600 RPM for an operating volume of 34 DBS but the cor is also clocked at 2,800 MHz and that's a 4% boost over stock so pretty good result here from gigabyte so there you have it the GeForce RTX 470 TI super seems about as unnecessary as the name and by that I mean well we got the 47 ETI a year ago now so it's been out in the wild for 12 months if you wanted to buy one you could have bought one at any point in the last 12 months for $800 us and it was how do I say this one of my least favorite GeForce 40 series products 12 GB for $800 us not it it's not not a good buyer not a good product and so yeah the refresh model it is better but it's not that much better so was it worth waiting 12 months for of course the biggest issue was the price or rather what you were getting for the price $800 for a 12 GB graphics card was laughably bad when it launched so I'm glad Nvidia has updated it to 16 GB but it also feels like too little too late the upgrade just isn't significant enough to get me excited at the $800 price point on the other hand the updated 470 super for $600 that was pretty decent not exactly an amazing deal but as far as midcycle Refreshers go it was pretty good the 4070 TI super though it's a bit of a wet blanket performance overall is really much the same we're talking about a few per uplift so not enough for anyone to care it's even worse when you consider that the RTX 480 will be replaced by the 480 super in a week offering a minor performance bump with $200 knocked off the price and if we go off the data we have here that makes the 4070 TI super just 6% more affordable per frame when compared to the 4080 but 20% more costly than the 470 super and really what this means is that overall a103 products aren't Great Value but if you're going to buy the 4070 TI super you might as well just go the full hog and get the 480 super plus you'll enjoy the added benefit of not sounding like you're having a stroke every time someone asks you What GPU you're running now when compared to the radi on competition the 470 TI super Stacks up rather well if priced at $750 us the 7900 XT becomes a bit iffy and I feel paying the extra $50 for the 4072 I super is the way to go you're getting similar rasterization performance with generally much stronger rate racing performance especially in titles that use rtfx heavily then there's all the other stuff we often talk about stuff like the quality of dlss generally being better than that of FSR a much better rate tracing performance better encoder quality and better power efficiency just to name a few so for me to take the 1700 XT over the 472 super it has to be no more than $700 us so a $100 saving or a 133% discount and again we've said countless times in the past it's our opinion which is also backed by viewer data that radio gpus need to cost a minimum of 10% less than the GeForce competition before they become viable given many of the things we just mentioned so in a nutshell for us 10% less is where radon gpus become viable 15% less is convincing and 20% less is an automatic purchase anyway we will continue to monitor pricing with our monthly GPU price updates so you can work out what the best deal is for you for now though I think we're pretty well done here for 472 I super it is a pretty boring product that at best fixes mistakes of the original and really this is what Nvidia should have delivered to you guys 12 months ago so that's that makes for a fun uh product release anyway yeah I really am done here bit of a boring one this one um suspect that most of you will agree but if it you appreciate me spending a week benchmarking boring gpus then give the video a like subscribe and if you'd like to get some more har box goodness we have float plane patreon signing up to either one of those things we'll get you access to monthly live streams a Discord server behind the scenes content Q&A stuff a lot of cool things there so check it out if you're interested but if not perfectly fine and I would like to thank you for watching this video I'm your host Steve see you next [Music] time [Music]

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Published: Tue Jan 23 2024