New Machine for the Shop: Rivett 1020S Tool Room Lathe

[Music] hello Keith rocky revenge machine adored guys got a new machine for the shop and there's been a lot of people trying to guess what a new machine who is going to come in here and replace the Leblon lathe and based on the comments I think some folks are gonna be excited about this and there's gonna be some folks disappointed I think a lot of people thought I was gonna be getting a shaper to come in here but no I had decided to put another lathe than here why another lathe why on earth does Keith need another lathe he's already got the monarch 16 inch slave back here that's running now I got the big 28 inch monarch over here behind me that is close to running I've got a monarch 10 ee back there in the back that's a basket case it needs complete overhaul and then of course I just got rid of my my 12-inch Leblon lathe this set right here this lathe right here came available to me recently and I made the decision that this was something I'd like to have what is this some of you guys are probably scratching your heads some of you guys are probably jumping up and down because you know what this is this lathe right here is a rivetti 10 20s and arguably it was one of the finest tool room lays that was ever built really when you look at those really high-end high precision high-quality tool room lays there were kind of three that made it to the top of that list and most people's list anyway that course there's always opinions but of course the monarch 10 ee is probably the the best-known of those and you got the harding to hlv which a lot of people just really rave about and then there's this slaves right here the row that 1020's the ten 20s was probably at least in production numbers the the least made of any item the monarch was probably there was probably I don't know how many of them they were made but thousands and thousands of them this lathe right here I think there were only about 600 I've never made if I remember what I was reading on earlier the Harding's I'm not really sure about how many of those were but from here there really wasn't all that many made they started making this late at least this variant of this lay they didn't make the original 1020 back during World War two then they discontinued it for a while mainly because it was just a very difficult lathe to put together and then in the late 1940s they came out with the ten 20s which was kind of an improved version of the original one that was a little bit easier to produce and they made this lathe on up through I believe sometime in the 1960s if I remember right early 1960s and there are a couple of different variants of it 1020 it's a 10 inch swing 20 inch between centers they also made a 1030 which have a slightly longer bed they're a little bit rarer and then later on they came out with the 1020 f and the 1020 F the only real difference in it and this one is is that they raised the headstock up just a little bit I think it swings about 13 inches basically the exact same machine they just put some riser blocks in there I know James Kilroy has a 1020 F very similar to this as far as I know pretty much partially interchangeable and everything in them it's just a little bit of a riser block in there on that variant this one here was made in 1953 and I got it from a gentleman in Idaho who had come across it I was told that from the previous owners the ones that he acquired it from had told him that it had come from the Navy and that's about all I know is that it was originally sold to the Navy at least that's what I've been told which kind of follow suit these machines were very very expensive back in the day and most of them were probably purchased by the government so being in the Navy would really kind of make sense for this one and it's not the prettiest machine in the world in fact it was actually a little bit prettier when I brought it into the shop or when I brought it home but this thing was just nasty and before I brought it in and I said you know I'm gonna get that thing cleaned up real good and I took it out hit it with the pressure washer and some degreaser and in the process of cleaning off all the years of grease and grime and gunk it took off a couple of layers of paint and this machine has been painted multiple times and and honestly not painted very well so some of that paint had come right off so I've kind of got a multi-coloured machine right now and while it may not look very pretty I've been playing around this machine and it really looks like it's going to do me a good job at least that's my hopes so let me up bring in here and kind of show you if some of the features on this lathe and what really kind of some of the things that kind of set it apart from this competition when you come in here first thing we're gonna do is turn it on and it doesn't sound like it's on but it is actually what's happened is it's turned to own some stuff in the electrical cabinet down here unlike most lays that I've ever been around this one does not have a mechanical flush on it it's completely electric so when you want to start this thing up instead of shutting a clutch down you actually turn the motor on and as you can see it starts spinning when you stop it you do this and that noise that you heard it has an electric braking system on this thing so basically it's like a disc brake back in there so when this thing's spinning up you hit that and they'll stop it fairly quickly and it's making a little bit of noise I need to get in there and look at that but it's working I'm not too worried about it you got Reverse same thing and one of the things that really kind of makes this a I would say maybe a little bit more desirable over let's say the ten EE is that instead of having a the motor variable speed this one has a variable speed drive and it has a Reeves Drive down here up underneath the bottle so there's a motor that powers it and there's a reef strive in here the Reeves drive if you're not familiar with it it's basically a set of cone pulleys that you adjust one of the pulleys the width of it and it changes the belt and changes the diameter between the two the other belt pulley is kind of fixed but the belt kind of goes up and down depending on the the one on the one side of it kind of complicated if you're not familiar with it but the interesting thing about this one is turn it on is that that Reeves pulley a lot of times in those reads pulleys you have a hand crank to adjust it this one actually has an electrical system so there's a motor in there to speed it up and slow it down so if I want to speed it up I push this button here I want to slow it down I pushed that button there there right now it's in the back years this thing has three different sets of ranges of years that's a bat gear one that we're in right now I'm gonna go over here we'll switch it over to bat gear to and you can see it's even running slower [Music] that's about as low as it goes right there and we'll speed it up in that range [Music] so in that lowest back gear that's about the maximum speed and then we have open belt you switch this knob I see put it in here this is the high gear [Music] [Applause] so it goes up to about 3500 rpm maximum speed on there so very high speed the big advantage of that Reeves pulleys system in here is is that you really don't lose your torque on the high-end and low-end of your range because unlike the monarch you're actually slowing the motor up and down and when you get on some of the extremities of the ranges you lose a little bit of torque on there because the motors turning at a constant speed in here and all of your your speed variation is through that Reeve system you really don't lose that torque at the high end and low ends anyway a little bit about it there let's see let's fire it back up everything works here if you turn on the cross slide and then I had it set up for threading yesterday we were doing eight threads per inch and then of course you got a the compound here goes back and forth as well everything works there this actually runs pretty quiet which I'm pretty excited about and then down here of course you got all your thread pitches and feeds and so forth and you can get in here and change this for whatever range you need so known issues with it you probably noticed that the speed gauge here the tachometer was not operational I'm not sure what's going on with that in fact I'm gonna try to do some investigating on that today this is basically there's a at least the way I think it is is down inside here there's a little device that goes on to the headstock somewhere that is basically just spinning and it's that thing spins it's a little DC generator it generates voltage based on how fast it's turning and then this basically just decodes that voltage into a speed and they've got it calibrated so I need to get in there to figure that out the glass it was actually on there when I got it but it was cracked and when I started pressure washing it and not glass out so I'm gonna have to put a new piece of glass in there and hopefully I can get that going I don't think it's too terribly complicated so I'm hoping it's just something electrical in there that's come and done another issue that I know of is that this lathe that was originally shipped with a taper attachment but the guts of the taper attachment are gone not sure what happened to them they were not with it when I picked it up so anyway I got a little if I want to use the tape attachment on it I'll have to either find one Salvage one off of another machine or maybe make those parts actually got drawings that came I got a book that has the drawings of what it all looks like and I know a few folks that have this machine so I'm sure that if I wanted to try to fabricate it I could I just gotta say whether I want to go to the effort I've got a tape attached pin on my sixteen inch lays so if I need one it's not that big of a deal there's no doubt this machine has seen a fair amount of use over the years and there's no doubt that it has some we're in it but all in all it looks like it's in pretty good shape you can see the ways here everything not anything really scratched up called up or anything you know when we took Richard King scraping class when things we always were taught to look for when looking for where is to look for you know an unwarned surface to compare to and if you look right down here at the bottom of this aisle if you can see it or not there's a little Ridge right at the bottom of that way and that is where basically the in here on the saddle that's as far down as it goes the ways a little bit deeper so this bottom area down here is for all intents is unworn while this is the warm surface in here and I was able to come in here and actually measure that Ridge and it's about five thousands of an inch in its worst spot of course you get down here at the ends there's hardly anywhere in it at all but here in the middle where it gets used a lot this was kind of worst area now five thousandths may sound like a lot but remember that's five thousandths in the height of the machine so as this saddle is going back and forth it's gonna basically drop down about five thousands of an inch but when you look at when you're turning here and your tool cut tool drops down five thousands in height it really has a very very tiny effect on the diameter so well it's by no means in pristine condition most lathes that I have at least that I have worked with in the past have a heck of a lot more than five thousandths that you're dealing with and down here so I'm pretty happy with that that is in my opinion that's acceptable you know if I wanted to come in here and regrind this bed and who knows one day I may do that but for right now the idea here is just get a machine in here we can use and I think this one's going to work just fine you know there is a little bit of backlash here in the in the cross lives but again it's that's not anything that I'm too terribly worried about that shows ya that my nuts worn in there but it's tight going forward or reverse so you got that little backlash I'm not too worried about the back / and if we ever tear this apart we can work on that a little bit and try to fix it someone's braised this handle up at one time but it's a little bit sided I may get a new new piece to go on there and just fix that I need to tighten that up to us a little bit loose but all-in-all as far as how it goes here it seems like it's in pretty good shape yesterday just playing around with it I put a piece of metal in here and I turned this down to one inch and I was able to keep it within the same diameter it was within about 3/10 I think over that length and I have not done any leveling or anything on the machine I just flopped it down and put it over here which is I'm sure that I can probably get some of that out just by getting the Machine properly leveled which I'm gonna try to do later today and just playing around with it I cut some threads just see how everything works and all in all I'm pretty pleased I don't really see any didn't see any major issues I was taking some fairly heavy cuts with this I actually did this and I posted a picture to some friends - oh you didn't use a center on that to give it support and I'm like no I wanted to really test it and see what it was doing here see make sure see what kind of deflection I was having in the headstock and everything and all in all I was pretty pleased with what I saw so just a quick test but very happy so far it looks like it's going to be a good user and sweeten the pot a little bit the late lathe came pretty well tooled I was very happy with the accessories that came with it here so if you looked over there I had a collet Chuck that was in there that's what I was using yesterday so it came with this a nice set of Kaulitz here you see everything here I've got the one is out it's actually in the collet Chuck right now and goes from sixteenth of an inch it's the smallest one inch and 3/4 is the largest one I think that according to what I saw online that was the minimum maximum size and the set that I've got here goes from a sixteenth of an inch to one inch in one thirty-second increments and then from one inch to inch and three quarters and sixteenth inch increments so really nice good set of Kaulitz the nice range here so it pretty much have every size that I need in came a little rack these go on I'll have to build me a little frame to remount that they sent that like it was some other accessories that came with it it came with a little phase 2 was it a ax a tool posts and some tool post holders here I'm going to swap that out and put a BX a tool post on there I just like having that little bit extra the only the the biggest cutter you can put in these is half-inch and most of my cutters are bigger than that in fact yesterday when I was doing some test cuts with all this stuff I had to use high speed steel because I didn't have any carbide cutters that would fit that which there's by no means nothing wrong with that but anyway I'm gonna put a bxa on there and and I got a bunch of tool holders for bxa came with a live Center pretty pretty worn another kind of I guess you say advantage of that lathe over say the motor arts and stuff is that all for a 10 inch lay that has a number three more taper whereas I think the 10 ee just has a number 2 Morse taper and I like that I like having that little extra beefiness there came with a Chuck here I don't see a name on that one but anyway it came with that came with 2 three-jaw chucks I put this one over here on there the little tennis Chuck that Chuck there I think I'm just gonna have to chunk it's actually I saw some some when I went to use it was really tight now mike weis is so tight and when I took the jaws out I noticed there were some stress fractures down there around where the the Chuck the the little holders go in and I'm not sure what happened but that's not a safe Chuck to use particularly at those higher rpms it's a cheap Chinese Chuck so I'm just gonna I'm just going to get rid of that one haven't put this one on there this is an 8 inch 3 child Chuck this one actually looks to be in a little better shape looks to be a little bit higher quality Chuck too and I'm gonna probably take this from the park clean it up good check it out and put it on there see what kind of run out we get it did not come with a four jaw Chuck I'm gonna have to be getting one of those real excited that it has both the steady rest and the follow rest and from what I understand this follow rest in particular on these on these relays is like super super rare to find this uh particular accessory and mine included that has some changed gears here I know that the lathe is capable of cutting metric gears I haven't figured these out yet but I'm hoping that that's what I need to cut metric years anyway nice little set of accessories and battering about the red book actually is the manual and it has a bunch of the drawings for the different parts of the machine in there as well so I'm glad to have the original documentation as well so a little neat feature on here that I'm really excited about I've never seen this on lathe but right down here if you look there's a scale built into the crank that moves the cross slide and it's in inches so basically there's eighth inch quarter of an inch so when you move this it tells you how far you moving the the saddle normally when I'm using that if I need to go in say a half inch you know I have to put an indicator up on here and measure it with this I can just direct dial it and I haven't seen exactly how accurate that is but I'm sure that you know at least you know - probably ten twenty thousand so it's probably plenty accurate enough very cool so kind of a built in travel dial right on there that is a very neat feature I don't know why more lathe companies haven't done that I've never seen that until this one but pretty cool so another really cool thing course up here on the quill on the on the tailstock you got a scale built in there I've seen that on lays before what I haven't seen is down here on the back again we got a scale built into the crank and this is actually marked in thousandths of an inch I actually put an indicator on here and check this and it is dead nuts on so you know if you're sitting here and need to drill a hole to a certain depth you got a you got a scale here and then this is actually calibrated to a thousandth of an inch down here on this on this scale so really neat I've never seen that before but that there too is something I'm really excited about I'm that's just that's just really neat I don't know why more companies haven't done that so another kind of neat feature about this lathe is that it has a really wide bed up underneath it compared for lathes of this size so just from the front way back to the back one I mean it's basically a foot wide right here which this is 1/10 lage lathe and and that's basically the same width is what I have on my 16 inch mark by comparison the 10 ee is a 10 inch wide bed so from here to the backside of that right there is two inches narrow or on the 10 mm now it just gives you a little bit wider footprint more stability and I know that was one of the features that rivetti called out as what kind of separates the slaves from some of the competition I thought I'd show this right here this is a in the little sales flyer that's in my book that I got and it shows that variable speed drive that I was talking about that powers everything so what you guys you got a motor the motor is running at a constant rpm so unlike other machines where you're changing the rotation speed of the motor the motor is running at a constant rpm so you got pretty much a constant horsepower feeding it and that goes into this little section here this is that what's called a Reeves drive and it's the variable speed part of it so it's two pulleys and the two pulleys are actually they change in the in the width of the pulley you got this one down here at spring-loaded this one over here is the one that has a little the motor control on there when I hit those buttons what it's doing is it's moving these pulleys in and out from one another and what happens when you do that when you move them in closer together it causes the belt to go up to the very top of the pulley it's a wide belt as you see and when you separate when you pull them apart the belt runs down low in the pulley so that's changing the diameter pretty much have an endless number of variables as far as you know from the minimum maximum diameter here on this side you just got a spring that's that's automatically compensating for whatever is going on this side so when you do that you you get the variable speed function going there they call that a Reeves Drive and then that comes over and powers the counter shaft that then goes up and actually powers the lathe so come standard with a five horsepower motor very quiet very effective very efficient and you thought like I said you get much higher torque at that lower and higher speeds within that range and you do with doing an electrical speed variation like with the variable frequency drive or DC motors like what's in the ten double e's little update here on the tachometer so I did a little bit investigating it turns out this is not an electronic type like they used in the later rivetti the 1020 F models and so forth but I pulled the screws out and this just slides right out the front this is all mechanical so there's a like a speedometer cable that's supposed to fit into the back of this and there goes into a little pin directly up in there and it's a direct feed and it looks like the little connecting link between the two is missing so I need to do a little bit of homework on this and try to figure out what goes in there the back of this is threaded like there may be something that kind of screws into that it's a square Drive looks like eighth inch square drive that goes through there driving it so if anybody has one of these four vet 10-20 asses I'd be real interested if someone would be willing to unscrew those four screws and pull it out and just kind of see what's behind there suspect it's just some type of link and I might be able to just even do something like get a piece of eighth inch key stock square stock and just create a link between there or there are even a piece of speedometer cable maybe work as well but I'd like to really see what's in there and my manual that I have is for a later model it doesn't show this particular one so I'm not exactly sure how that's set up but the good news is is that it does appear to be working I was able to spin it by hand and you can see it going around there and I've still got to cut a new piece of glass to go in there to cover that up but it looks like we can salvage this tachometer we just need to get it properly linked back to the machine well there you go guys that's going to be a wrap on this one I believe but I wanted to introduce you to our new toy for the shop here the rivet 1020's metal a tool room lathe and I'm glad to have this in the shop glad to have a new addition here and really looking forward to getting to play around this machine and get to use it some and you know nice thing very unusual for me to actually bring a machine into the shop that works obviously buying a basket case and doing a complete restoration but really been needing a usable machine in this size and this should help fit the bill and I get us going and who knows maybe one of these days we can get the tin doubly restored as well and maybe even do a restoration on this one at the very least I'm going to be doing a paint job on this thing I just don't like the way this looks and again who knows maybe one day we'll go through and do a complete restoration on it kind of as needed that'll be it guys as always thanks for watching please leave me comments if you like please subscribe to my channel if you haven't already and guys we'll catch you on the next video [Music] you

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Length: 26min 43sec (1603 seconds)

Published: Mon Apr 29 2019