>>> TURNING TO AN EXPERT ON >>> TURNING TO AN EXPERT ON FLIPPING WITNESSES, ANDREW WEISSMAN IS A VETERAN OF THE MILLER PROBE. HE WON THE CONVICTION AGAINST MANAFORT. HE RAN THE ENRON TASK FORCE. HE RAN THE DOJ. NOT TO EMBARRASS YOU WITH YOUR HISTORY, BUT YOU ARE KNOWN FOR YOUR SKILL AND ALLEGED TOUGHNESS. TAKE A LOOK. >> TODAY THE ENRON TASK FORCES CONTINUED INVESTIGATION HAS LED TO THE UNCEILING OF THREE NEW CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS. >> ANDREW WEISSMAN, WHOS THE HEAD OF OUR ENRON TASK FORCE, HE AND HIS BRILLIANT TEAM ARE IN HOUSTON TODAY WHERE THEIR HARD WORK CONTINUES. >> HE HAS CHOSEN HIS JACK THE RIP PERFECT LIKE LEADER, ANDREW WEISSMAN WEISSMAN. >> ANDREW, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR THIS CONVERSATION. >> NICE TO BE HERE. >> APPRECIATE IT. GIVEN YOUR EXPERTISE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE MR. WISELEBERG WITH THE HISTORY LAID OUT, DO YOU SEE HIM AS FLIPABLE OR LESS LIKELY TO BE FLIPPED? >> WELL, I THINK IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE THE FORMER PRESIDENT DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DANGLE PARDONS, I THINK ITS HARD TO SAY ANYONE IS NOT FLIPABLE. THE WAY YOU DO IT IS THROUGH HARD WORK, WHICH IS IF THERE IS A CRIMINAL CASE TO BE MADE, YOU MAKE THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE CRIMINAL CASE. I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE IF THERE IS A CRIMINAL MATTER WITH RESPECT TO ALLEN WISELEBERG, IT LOOKS LIKE THE MANHATTAN DAS OFFICE AND NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE CERTAINLY ARE POURING A LOT OF RESOURCES INTO UNCOVERING IT. ITS HARD TO IMAGINE HES GOING TO FLIP AWAY AS HE MAY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. SO ONE THING I WOULD NOTE IS -- >> WHAT IS IT -- >> WITH RESPECT TO HIS ALLEGED COOPERATION IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND GOING INTO THE GRAND JURY AND POTENTIALLY PROVIDING EVIDENCE THAT WAS USED WITH RESPECT TO MICHAEL COHEN, I WOULD SAY THE JURYS A LITTLE OUT ON THAT. YOU KNOW, ITS NOT TOTALLY CLEAR WHETHER ALLEN WEISSELBERG PROVIDED ANYTHING MEANINGFUL OR WHETHER HE WAS ASKED ABOUT ANYTHING BEYOND MICHAEL COHEN. I THINK HES IN A VERY DIFFERENT TRICK BOX NOW WHERE HE REALLY IS GOING TO BE -- >> CAN I PUSH YOU ON THAT? >> YEAH. >> IM VERY CURIOUS WHAT YOU CAN TEACH US ABOUT THAT BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED IN OUR REPORT, YOU HAVE THREE INDIVIDUALS, ACCORDING TO THE AUDIOTAPE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING, AND OTHER EVIDENCE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF DONALD TRUMP. COHEN GOES TO JAIL. I TAKE YOUR NUANCE ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, BUT WISELEBERG IN COOPERATING AT ALL WOULD HAVE TO PRESUMABLY ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE OTHER TWO MEN KNEW AND DID? >> OH, YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. IM JUST SAYING TWO THINGS. ONE, ITS NOT CLEAR HE WAS TRUTHFUL WHEN HE TESTIFIED. >> YEAH. AGREE. >> HE MAY HAVE SAID SOMETHING THATS NOT AT ALL HELPFUL. HE COULD HAVE SAID, I DONT RECALL, FOR INSTANCE, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE TRUE OR NOT TRUE. AND THEN ITS NOT CLEAR IF HE WAS ASKED ABOUT ANYTHING MORE THAN THE SPECIFICS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED, ARI. SO HE COULD HAVE BEEN ASKED JUST ABOUT THAT AND NOT ABOUT THE BROADER CASE WHICH APPEARS TO BE WHAT THE NEW YORK PROSECUTORS LIKE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OR THE MANHATTAN DAS OFFICE ARE LOOKING AT. THEN THE FINAL POINT, ID LIKE TO THROW OUT ONE MORE NAME, WHICH IS JEFF McCONNIE BECAUSE I DONT THINK THATS GOTTEN ENOUGH ATTENTION BECAUSE LAST WEEK THE REPORTS WERE THAT HE WENT INTO THE STATE GRAND JURY A HE IS THE CONTROLLER OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION. SO, AGAIN, ALL SPECULATION, BUT CLEARLY YOURE LOOKING FOR AN INSIDER. THATS WHY THERE IS SO MUCH FOCUS ON ALLEN WISELEBERG TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY WHO IS ON THE INSIDE WHO WOULD KNOW WHERE EVERY PENNY WENT. WELL, THATS THE CONTROLLER AS WELL AS THE CFO. SO IF JEFF McCO OcCONNIE IS COOPERATING, THAT IS REALLY BAD NEWS POTENTIALLY FOR WISELEBERG AND FOR THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS UP TO AND INCLUDING THE FORMER PRESIDENT. IN OTHER WORDS, MANHATTAN MAY HAVE FOUND THEIR INSIDER BECAUSE IT WOULD BE UNUSUAL TO PUT SOMEBODY LIKE McCONNIE INTO THE STATE GRAND JURY WHERE HE WOULD BE GIVEN IMMUNITY AS SOON AS HE TESTIFIES AUTOMATICALLY IF THEY DIDNT THINK THAT HE HAD SOMETHING USEFUL TO PROVIDE. >> YEAH, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. HE DIRECTLY REPORTED IN TO WISELEBERG. WHILE YOURE HERE, I HAVE THE BENEFIT OF GETTING YOU ON THE BIG NEWS DAY WITH DON McGANN, FORMER WHITE HOUSE TESTIFYING. YOU WORKED FOR ROBERT MUELLER AND McGANN WAS FAMOUSLY PART OF THE RESISTANCE INTERNALLY TO DONALD TRUMPS UNLAWFUL ORDER TRYING TO FIRE MULLER WITHOUT CAUSE. HES TELLING LAWMAKERS, READING FROM JUDICIARY INFORMATION, TRUMP ASKED HIM TO DO SOME CRAZY BLANK. HE WAS WORRIED FIRING MULLER, YOUR BOSS, WAS THE POINT OF NO RETURN, THINGS COULD SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL INTO A SECOND, QUOTE, SATURDAY NIGHT MASSACRE. YOUR RESPONSE. >> WELL, FROM MY QUICK READ FROM HIS QUITE VOLUMINOUS TESTIMONY, HE APPEARED TO NOW UNDER OATH CONFIRM WHAT IS IN THE REPORT, WHICH IS THAT HE WAS ASKED BY THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO FIRE AND TO SEEK THE FIRING OF BOB MULLER FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. THAT LATER THE PRESIDENT WANTED HIM TO GO OUT AND DENY A PRESS REPORT THAT THAT HAD HAPPENED AND DON McGANN TESTIFIED UNDER OATH THAT HE REFUSED TO DO THAT IN PART THAT HE HAD ALREADY TOLD THE SPECIAL COUNSELS OFFICE WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND HE WASNT ABOUT TO, AS HE SAID, RISK GOING TO JAIL BY DENYING WHAT HE HAD JUST TOLD THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, WHICH IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED HIM TO DO AND HE WASNT ABOUT TO SAY THAT THAT WASNT TRUE. SO VERY DRAMATIC TESTIMONY. IT DID LARGELY REPEAT WHAT WAS IN THE REPORT. YOU ARE HEARING IT DIRECTLY FROM THE WITNESS AND UNDER OATH. >> IM ALMOST OUT OF TIME HERE, BUT WAS IT GOOD FOR DONALD TRUMP THAT HE ALWAYS HAD SOMEONE AROUND HIM WHO REFUSED TO CARRY OUT WHAT WAS AN UNLAWFUL ORDER AND TRUMP ON THAT SCORE ULTIMATELY BLINKED, BACKED DOWN? >> YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, DON McGAHN WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE. THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO REFUSED TO DO THE DIRTY WORK. IN MANY WAYS HE WAS SAVED BY PEOPLE WHO EITHER BASICALLY DIDNT WANT TO GO TO JAIL, WHICH DON McGAHN IN THE TESTIMONY SAID THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MOTIVATED HIM AND WAS GOING TO RESIGN OVER IT, BUT YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL, JEFF SESSIONS, WAS REFUSING TO DO THINGS AS WELL. SO I DO THINK THE FORMER PRESIDENT WAS HELPED OUT BY PEOPLE WHO APPEARED TO HAVE A
