HER SIDE OF WHAT HAPPENED RIGHT WHEN THAT TAPE HIT. >> YEAH, THERE WAS A POLITICAL HURRICANE BLOWING THROUGH. WE GOT OBSERVATIONS ABOUT HOPE HICKS, NOW WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, AND FOR THAT I WANT TO BRING IN MSNBC'S HOST OF "THE LAST WORD" LAWRENCE O'DONNELL WHO WAS INSIDE THE COURTROOM TODAY. WE'RE SHOWING A PICTURE OF YOU BEHIND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IN COURT YESTERDAY, AND AB ON SERVE OBSERVER FROM SUE'S PAPER "THE NEW YORK TIMES" WROTE AS HE WALKED BY HE WAS SQUINTING STRANGELY. I WONDER IF YOU WERE AWARE OF THAT MOMENT BUT ALSO YOUR OBSERVATIONS OF TRUMP TODAY IN COURT. >> WELL, I WAS VERY AWARE OF THAT MOMENT YESTERDAY. THE WHOLE COURTROOM WAS. EVERYONE WHO HAD BEEN THERE -- THIS IS MY FIRST DAY YESTERDAY. EVERYONE SAID IT WAS THE STRANGEST THING THEY'D EVER SEEN HIM DO IN A COURTROOM. HE WAS GETTING UP TO LEAVE, AND I WAS SITTING ACTUALLY IN THE LATE AFTERNOON AT AN EVEN CLOSER SEAT TO TRUMP THAN THE ONE IN THAT SHOT WE JUST SHOWED. I WAS ON THE AISLE, AND SO WHEN HE WAS WALKING BY MY POSITION AT THE AISLE, HE DECIDED HE WAS GOING TO STARE AT ME AND WHAT I'M SURE HE WAS HOPING WAS SOME KIND OF INTIMIDATING LOOK, BUT HE WAS TRYING TO LOAD SO MUCH INTO IT, ANGER AND HATRED THAT IT JUST BECAME A CRAZY LOOK. IT WAS JUST A CRAZY FACE, AND I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, LIGHTLY SMILING BACK AT HIM HOPING HE COULD READ MY MIND, WHICH WAS TO -- WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN IF I HAD A QUESTION, HOW STUPID DOES IT FEEL THAT YOUR LIFE HAS ENDED UP IN THIS ROOM IN THIS WAY. I WAS COMPLETELY RELAXED ABOUT IT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WAS VERY PECULIAR, AND OF COURSE -- AND I SAID LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, AT THE LAST WORD TEN FEET IN WHERE I'LL BE REPORTING AGAIN TONIGHT, THAT DONALD TRUMP SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT. HE SHOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN THE WHOLE ROOM THIS HATEFUL REACTION TO SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE AND LETTING EVERYONE SEE HOW MUCH JUST THE PRESENCE OF ANOTHER PERSON IN THAT AUDIENCE GOT TO HIM. AND OF COURSE TODAY HE TOOK MY INSTRUCTION FROM LAST NIGHT ON TELEVISION AND THIS TIME HE STUDIOUSLY AVOIDED LOOKING AT ME, AND THERE WAS A MOMENT DURING A RECESS WHERE HE TURNED AROUND AND WAS LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE AUDIENCE JUST LETTING HIS EYES WANDER AROUND THE ROOM. IT'S SOMETHING HE LIKES TO DO. HE LIKES TO SEE WHO'S THERE. ANDERSON COOPER IS ACROSS THE AISLE FROM ME. THAT'S THE KIND OF THING DONALD TRUMP LIKES TO TAKE IN, AND HIS EYE MOVEMENT WAS FLAWLESS IN THE WAY IT STOPPED RIGHT AT THE LINE OF THE MAN SITTING BESIDE ME AND WOULD NEVER -- WOULD NEVER THEN MOVE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, HALF INCH TO TAKE ME IN. IT WAS A VERY -- IT WAS THE MOST STUDIOUS AVOIDING OF EYE CONTACT THAT I THINK I'VE EVER SEEN. >> I'LL JUST SAY I'VE KNOWN YOU AND WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER FOR I THINK CLOSE TO 25 YEARS NOW IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER, AND I HAVE NEVER KNOWN YOU TO BE INTIMIDATED, SO THERE'S THAT. BUT TODAY WAS THERE ANY MOMENT WHEN YOU WERE OBSERVING DONALD TRUMP THAT A PARTICULAR PART OF THE TESTIMONY HE SEEMED ENGAGED TO YOU OR HE REACTED TO, LAWRENCE? >>. >> WELL, I THINK WE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING IN A SILENT CHARACTER IN A ROOM THAT ESPECIALLY A DEFENDANT IN A COURTROOM, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THINGS AND TRYING TO INTERPRET WHAT DOES IT MEAN THAT THE JURY NEVER LOOKS AT HIM? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHEN THEY WALK BY HIM AND THEY SPEED WALK PAST HIM AS IF THEY'RE TRYING TO GET PAST A HORRIBLE THING. THEY NEVER LOOK AT HIM. SOME JURORS IN OTHER CASES WILL LOOK AROUND THE ROOM, THEY WILL TAKE IN THE DEFENDANT, AND THEN THERE'S THE QUESTION OF WHAT'S THE DEFENDANT DOING. AND I THINK TODAY WE ACTUALLY HAD WHAT MAY BE A MEANINGFUL MOMENT OF THAT KIND OF OBSERVATION, AND IT WAS RIGHT AT THE END AS WE BROKE FOR LUNCH WHEN WITNESS HOPE HICKS WAS LEAVING THE WITNESS STAND, AND SHE WALKED BY DONALD TRUMP WITHIN LESS THAN AN ARM'S REACH FROM EACH OTHER AND NEITHER ONE OF THEM LOOKED AT THE OTHER. DONALD TRUMP MADE SURE THAT HE WAS BUSY TALKING TO TODD BLANCHE, AND HOPE HICKS VERY DELIBERATELY AVOIDED ANY REGARD AT DONALD TRUMP, ANY LOOK AT HIM. IT WASN'T LIKE DAVID PECKER'S SMILE TO THE DEFENSE TABLE WHEN HE WALKED BY. THAT'S ALLOWED. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HOPE HICKS SAYING HI TO HER FORMER BOSS AS SHE WALKS BY THE TABLE OR NODDING OR SMILING, THAT'S ALL AVAILABLE WITHIN THE NORMAL KIND OF BEHAVIOR OF THAT COURTROOM IN THAT MOMENT, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING. THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BETWEEN THOSE TWO. MAYBE THAT WILL CHANGE. MAYBE THERE WILL BE ANOTHER MOMENT WHERE THEY EXCHANGE SOME KIND OF SILENT HUMAN CONTACT, BUT NOT
