- We have another car. - That's a bolt. - I repeat, we have identified the car. (orchestral music) - Today, we are in Rome, New York, looking for Mark Seelman
and Douglas Goodwin. 16 and 18 years old, who went missing back in June 7th, 1990. Before we get into this episode, if you have never seen
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be able to solve this one. This is one episode you're
not gonna wanna miss. We're gonna get down
to the water right now. (orchestral music) (orchestral music continues) - We're starting today's investigation at the Poolsbrook River,
Mill Street bridge. This boat ramp actually
was not here back in 1990, but, right next to the Mill Street bridge, there's an old boat ramp. And we received some
information from a local, Russ Christensen, who is a viewer of ours, that reached out that says, you know what? These two boys need to be found. Supposedly, they were
last seen leaving DJ's bar in a green vehicle. - At the time, when these
two young boys went missing, there wasn't a lot of information for the state police to go off of. They only knew that they were, they were last seen getting
into a green vehicle. They didn't have a make or a model. And you know, 31 years later, we're looking for a green vehicle. - So I think that with
today's investigation, we're gonna start where
that old boat ramp is at, which is now closed. There's
also the road that goes along, Poolsbrook river here. And we have another boat
ramp on the other side. Really, we just need to
put in one spot here, search the entire river
and any vehicle we find, we're gonna dive on it,
and fingers crossed, it's a green vehicle and the
one we're looking for today. (soft orchestral music) - Welcome to Rome, the copper city. This right here used to be
the old road that came in. (orchestral music) Before we get started
too far into the day. If you've never been with us before, we just want to give you
a quick, sonar overview, So you understand what it is
that we are looking at today. With this one over here,
this is our Garmin 8612. This one is our live scope,
so anything that's happening, you see happening in real
time, and it's set to auto. And with that, you'll
see it adjust up and down as we get into greater
depths or shallower. We're kind running at 10 feet, and you can see the
little grid lines here, to help you see anything
black is water column. Over here, this one is our Hummingbird. This is the Sollex 12. This one is more of a picture in time. So while we're happening live over here, we're, this is a picture in time. It has recorded anything
that we just went over and you'll be able to
scan back, and actually, you know, re-look at it. You can zoom in and check anything out that we wanna check out. This one, the down imaging, same thing. You have your little grid lines here with your depth over
here. Those will match. Over here, side scan. We're
casting 75 feet to the left. 75 feet to the right is
what we like to cast to. With this one, you, we have
the boat heading and again, anything black is water
column. Between those three, we're able to, really pinpoint
anything that we see in here. It really helps us out in
locating vehicles underwater. So like this, this entire stretch. - What is that? - I think it's just foam. - Is it a big teddy bear? - Oh, there is a teddy
bear in the water here. - Oh. - That's kind of sad. Somebody's entire teddy
bear ended up in the river. - This is a big thing. - Oh, that scared the frig' outta me. - That it just moved?
- Just moved. All right, so grab this teddy bear. The strange thing about this, is that in the past we've had signs. We've had like balloons. We've had certain drone
crashes that taken place. What if this is a a sign
Doug, that we're like nearby in the area right now? - [Doug] I don't know. - I would say maybe if we're
looking for somebody younger, like a seven or eight year old, that happened to be in the
vehicle with mom or something, then I would say, yeah. But I think this is just
a random teddy bear. That ended up in the river. We can't leave it here. Maybe
some kid's looking for it, but he's never gonna get it back, but let's just throw it to the boat. Clean up the river a little bit. I will say that's my
first teddy bear though. That I found in the river. (orchestral music) - Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I got a car. I got a car, I got a car,
I got a car, I got a car. I got a car, I got a
car. I swear I got a car. Yep. I think so. Isn't that a car? - I don't know. It's go take a look. - Let's drop a magnet
on, see if it's metal. It's gonna be buried. It is six, eleven feet long.
- Long enough to be a car. - Yeah again, we don't even know what car
kind of car we're looking for. - Right. It's only 10 feet down. - All right. So here we go.
Let me take you this way. Coming up to it right now,
You should be on it right now. - I feel it, I'm bouncing all over. - You're gonna have so much
silt and mud built up on that. I don't know if your magnet's
even gonna stick to it. Right now, you only have like
two feet of it sticking up out of the, out of the water. - I'm going off the
side. I'm not on it now. It's like right here. So
when the magnet drops, it does drop an additional like two feet. - I wasn't recording any of that. - All right, so. - So you're right over the top of it now. - I'm, I'm getting like a, a funny, stick Like it's semi magnetic, maybe because it's just so old Not a normal just, slide. - Well, I mean, you're gonna
be dealing with 30 plus years. - Yes, I'm pulling it up. And
it's kind of holding itself. Oh, I'm on it. - Okay.
- Not anymore. - So I'm right over. I'm right over the top of right now. You're right over the top of it. You're bouncing right in the front of it. And now you should be hitting you're. - [Doug] Yeah, I'm on it now. - You're dragging right up over
the, like the front bumper. You're dealing with
like 11 feet of length. Well, let's do this also. Let me run, pull, pull your magnet up. Let me just go with this, sideways. And then let's, kind
of like, go around it. - It's a barnacle. We know
they're gonna attach themselves. - That's why you're not
attaching to the vehicle. Because you've got the
zebra muscles all over it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, look,
look, we got windows on it. - Here's a bolt. Here's a freaking bolt. And that looked like
green paint that I had. - [Jared] I think this might be the car we're looking for. - That so looks like a car,
and we know it's metal. Like, like, look at that. That's a bolt. - [Jared] Yep. - When I did break it apart that, one of those layers
looked like it was green. - Do you wanna try bouncing again and see if you can pull something else up? - [Doug] Yeah. - [Jared] All right. You
want me to take you over it? - [Doug] Yeah, can you see my magnet? - [Jared] Yep. I can see your magnet. - [Doug] And look, I think there's a hairpin
turn right here too. - [Jared] You don't need a hairpin. - [Doug] Or a straight on street? - [Jared] Yeah. - They just couldn't make
this turn, caught it too much. Caught that edge and came right in. - Yeah.
- Young boys, 16, 18 years old. - [Doug] Left the bar maybe
out here on the back roads. - Well, that's the thing too. There was also mention that they may have been intoxicated leaving the bar. Yeah, you're right over the top of it. You should be bouncing all over it now. - Yeah. I feel it. And I'm, I'm like, like I said, I'm getting a funny pull on this line. Like it wants to stick.
It's just not enough. - We have those. I mean, you
have the muscles all over it. - Yeah.
- Right. Do you wanna run the line to shore? Underwater, or we just
want to know where it's at? We'll just mark it and then
we can just go out to it. Because there's a boat ramp right here. We can move everything down here. We can suit up. - Or maybe there's a shoulder
to the road right here. - No, there's no shoulder. It's like, we can go take a look. - You don't wanna leave the
buoy here. Like I've had. - I don't wanna leave
the buoy here because we can't like hard connect it.
We know right where it's at. So I'm gonna pull my
line up and I would say, we'll just drop the monster
magnet on it just for weight. - [Jared] Okay. - The weight of the monster
magnet will hold it. - [Jared] Yeah. - And I don't want to use the treble hook. Because trouble hook is
just gonna rip it apart. - [Jared] Right. - So, we'll just drop the monster magnet. That's 50 pounds. It'll be
enough to use as a guide. - All right. Let's finish scanning. And then we'll go with that plan. So coming back to this 30 years
ago, was this a paved road? Was it a dirt road? You have where this red truck just turned right here as well. Did they come flying
around here? (screeching) Squirrel, missed the turn? Or were they coming this? I don't know. I'm thinking if they went off here though, then they would've been
coming from this direction. - [Doug] Yeah. - Just thinking like a 16 year old, going back to my stupid youth days. Late at night, showing off, having fun. Plus they were at the bar. Then they, you know, there's rumors that they may have left intoxicated,
you know, small town. Everybody knew everybody back there. Hey, you know, don't worry about this. You know, go ahead and have one on me. - Best case scenario is
that they're in the vehicle. This is the vehicle. - [Jared] With the windows up. - With the windows up, or
they had seat belts on. - They're not wearing seat belts, - 1990? If they were out
here racing, you know, one or two of them could have been scared. - Yeah, that's true. Like I had a buddy that like,
he really ran his car down. Like I buckled him every
time I was with him. - There's also an element to this as well. A possible third person being with them. - Right, there is a
possible rumor about that. - The stories are a little bit mixed up. - We have another car right here. We have another car right
at this intersection. - [Doug] That is definitely a vehicle. There's no mistake in that. - Holy crap balls. I thought
the other one was it. Now we have two. - I'm feeling better about
this now too. You know, I think this definitely
increases the odds. This is the finish down
to the boat ramp then. Then they're both in a mistake area. - [Jared] Right. - But that one was right off the road. - Yeah. That one's gonna be
a. Hey we missed the turn! - Definitely. Hey, we
missed a turn or Hey, we might be doing something on purpose. - All right. So we
should be coming up right where that opening is at.
Right on where that tree is at. You'll be coming up to it right about now. It's where it's gonna
be at. Okay, here we go. Right on top of it. Right, and you're hitting it right now. And this one's upside
down. Something this old, I hate it when they're upside down. - Yeah. I, again, I'm getting
that wanting to stick, but this one is definitely
a lot more like, I, I'm holding onto it magnetically, but if I pull it really hard, it's going, it is not locking.
This is not a new car. And it's metallic. - We don't even need a line for this one. I mean, it's just right there. - [Doug] Yeah. - [Jared] And we can swim to it. So easy. - [Doug] One, two. - [Jared] It's just that opening
there. You're right there. Next to that big bush right there. - Yep. Oh yeah. Look at that. Definitely metal. Been
down there for decades. Same type of stuff. You know. There is room that we can
set up the RV right there and with some cones. - And then we can hit 'em
both from right there. - [Doug] Hit 'em both from right there. (suspenseful orchestral music) (car horn honks) - So it, I just spoke with a local who walked past with his two dogs. He's lived here since 1976. And he said that this guard rail has only been here for seven years. And before that, you know
this, and even now this, this stretch of road back
here on the backside of town is like kind of like a drag strip. People come out here to show
off and it potentially could be what we're working with right here. You know, we have two cars, been in the water for a very long time. So much so that they're not even coming up with a full magnetic reach on 'em. So this could be our targets
that we're looking for. (suspenseful orchestral music) - So my feeling on this, this road used to be a lot sharper here. They pushed the dirt out. They created more of a ramp
and a barrier back in the day. And seven years ago, they
were still having problems. So they ended up putting the guardrail up. And so I feel like they, you know, the city and the county and
local, you know, townsfolk, know that there's always
been a problem here. So I almost feel as
though this vehicle here, that's only about eight to
ten feet out, eight feet deep. I feel like they already know
about that one, but this one, because it's farther up. I feel like this is gonna be our unknown. I feel like this is
gonna be our mystery one. I feel like this is gonna be the one That's gonna solve the case today. (suspenseful orchestral music) (suspenseful orchestral music continues) - A lot of build up. He said he's going around the car. The car is unidentifiable. - [Jared] That little thing, that little tire's off of this car? - Yeah. Visibility's super low. - [Jared] Do you know what kind of car it? - There, it is so crusted. I can't tell the color. I, it's really even hard
for me to even see a, metal. - [Jared] Right. - It's metal, because you
see what's attached to it. - [Jared] Sitting upright or upside down? - I would say that it's sitting upright. - [Jared] Okay. - Because across the top, I
can't dig into anything like suspension components
or anything like that. It's buried. It's buried.
- [Jared] Not, not coming out. - I can't get inside of it either. - [Jared] Does it have windows? Is it? - I, I, I can't even tell
I'm gonna go back down. - [Jared] Okay. - Me not using my fins
or just neutral buoyant right around it, it's like dust. I was going from about a
foot of visibility to none. - [Jared] Right? Yeah. I mean,
if you can identify yeah. If there's any windows or like, so when you go across the top
of it, like is the top of it? - It's flat. It's flat. It's, it's not what I
would say an undercarriage. Because there's no suspension
components whatsoever. - So what I'm saying
though, is, is the top of it has not been sand
blasted through the years that the top is missing like this. So this is a whole vehicle
right now is what we have? - From what I can tell. Yes. - [Jared] Okay. On sonar it looked like
there's only about two feet before you hit the river bottom. - Yes, definitely. What, whatever
it is, is 90% under silt. I mean it's in there good. - Yeah, just spend some more time on it. I mean we don't have to uh. - Yeah. Got plenty of air. yeah - I'll bring the boat out. I'll sit over the top of you, around you. That way if another boat
comes down the road too. Yeah, see what you can do
for bringing up crumbles. - I'm just counting on
that as a last resort. - Do you wanna a mesh bag? - [Doug] Yeah. - Okay. Thank you. (suspenseful music) So a lot of times when
you go down on these, in murky waters like this,
your first time down, you're just kind of
getting your bearings as to where you're at. Like how
deep it is, how buried it is. If you can kind of try to
figure out which way it's facing and then on your second
time, when you go down, it's like the entire picture
becomes more of a picture. And so I think they've now
identified where the door is at. (suspenseful music) There he is. He's got a bag full of goodies I can tell. Oh, he's got something big.
Were you able to feel inside? - So, I have a window. There's a window still
intact. Just one window. - [Jared] All of all the others are? - From what I can blindly feel. The entire top is gone. - [Jared] Okay. - I believe I have some type
of liner that I'm pulling on. But other than that. - [Jared] So the top of the car is gone. It's completely silted in, sticking up roughly two
feet off the bottom. Yeah, so I mean there's, there's no way that
we're pulling this out. - No, no, not at all. - I mean that's green, but is that just an algae green,
or is that an actual green? - What I pulled off with the
magnet when it split open, it was green. - Yeah. I mean that, and
that's green too, but is it, is it an algae green or is
that an actual green, green? I mean to me that looks green. - Well, I mean I got plenty of air, so I mean I can keep
trying, keep gathering - [Jared] Evidence? - What I can. - Yeah. - I think you just
pulled a clam here only. Oh no, you have that, okay you
have a headlight on this one. Again we don't know what kind of car it is that we're looking for. Yeah. I mean, do we
call law enforcement in? - [Doug] We're gonna have
to have more to go off of. - Yeah. Right. We're still like gonna
have to report it regardless, but yeah, let's see if we can
actually find solid evidence. - So, I'm gonna go down
and do as best as I can. Get as much stuff as I can. And then jet up there to that one. Hopefully I can just bring
something back up this time that gives us a little bit more. - [Jared] Okay. - It's just really, really hard. - Hey Mr. Mike King, Profiling Evil. - [Mike] Yes sir. I have Doug Bishop, is
in the water right now. We're up in Rome, New York. Are you in front of a
computer by chance right now? - Okay, so we're working this case of the 16 and 18 year old boys as Mark Seelman and Douglas Goodman, Goodwin. There's some reports where they
may have gotten into another vehicle with somebody leaving a bar. A potentially green vehicle. We, we can't find much on this vehicle, but we've identified two targets. One's in a really weird spot. I can't tell if this is a iron rust green, or if this is an actual green vehicle. Seeing since you're in front
of a computer right now, and your, all your detective skills, if we can sneak you in, to do a little bit of
work real quick, like, on the fly in the next 10, 15 minutes? - Awesome. Hey, I appreciate it. - Seelman. S E E L M A N. - Yes. Sam, yes. - Yep. Yeah. And so, and I was, I, I was all. - So we're trying to find any identifying information
on this vehicle. So we found a vehicle. I mean, we're looking at a
case that's 31 years old, so we know we're gonna be
with a car that's completely rusted out, and we're just trying to make
out anything off this car. Right now. We have a headlight. So if we can find any information
as to what kind of car they might have been in. - All right. Sounds good.
Hey, I appreciate it. - Awesome. Sounds good. Yeah. We haven't been able to
find anything, so yeah, I thought maybe you might be
able to help us out on it. Thank you. - All right. Bye. That is a Mike King. He's known
as a incredible detective. He works with us quite often. He has a YouTube series of
his own called Profiling Evil. Wait for a phone call back
from him while we're gonna do some more of our own Googling research. We just need to identify like, can we figure out what this headlight is? And does that match the
car that we're looking for? Oh, tell me, tell me you have a grill. You have a grill? You have a window. Oh, I like that. That's gonna get us somewhere. Nice. Do you have anything else? Oh, I like it. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. Whatever it is. I feel like
it's good. What is that? You're doing Doug. All right.
So we, we now have a window. - I had to dig. So I had to
sit down and dig that out. That was completely under silt. - I think you might
have the car Doug, like, is that off of a, Nova or a Malibu? All right. We are in
Rome, New York right now and we need your help. So, so we need help identifying
what window is this? Will it get us closer and if
we can figure out the year. We think that we're looking for a seventies model Chevy Nova or Malibu. Is what we're hoping to trace this to, but we don't yet know. So we
need your help on that one. - Well, I got a new take
now, so I'm gonna go back. I'll see what I can get. There's zero, absolute zero visibility. Everything that I'm touching down there, just breaking apart in my
hands. This is a tough one. But it is right in our area, where what we're looking
for is supposed to be. (relaxing music) - We got Doug back in the water. We're getting a lot of good
information and answers from everybody that's on the Facebook live, as well as our own research. With that part number
is really what ended up cluing us in as to exactly
what this vehicle is. A hundred percent without a doubt, we're gonna say that this is
a 1963 Oldsmobile Starfire. We've identified the window, and the headlight matches as well. So unfortunately this is not the vehicle that we are looking for. It is not the supposed
green Malibu or Nova. We're gonna go jump onto
the other vehicle now. Once Doug comes up, give him the bad news and go see if we can find some
additional good news today. I repeat, we have identified the car. It's a 1963 Oldsmobile Starfire. Good. - [Doug] Okay. - All right. Well you wanna
put eyes on the other one? - [Doug] Yeah. - All right. You want me
to push you over there? - [Doug] Yeah. - [Jared] Okay. Right. So it's gonna be right off of that rubber. You might even be able to
touch it with your fin, right there within a few feet. - All right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna turtle the bottom and come out. - If you're not on it, then I
think you're too far upstream. Why don't you come up? I'll go get the magnet
and I'll mark it for you. I'm gonna go get the
magnet. It's right here. All right. I'm back. What do you got?
- [Doug] Tell me you love me, because you're about to hate me. - What do you have? - I have a headlight. - [Jared] That's not a Chevy Nova. - I have a window. - [Jared] All right. So what
kind of car is this one? - I don't know, this
one is in worse shape? - Worse shape? What kind of car is it? Can you, can you get a front grill? - Very badly. Wrecked. - [Jared] Windows up, windows down? - That was the only window on it. - Okay. - [Doug] The top is like, ripped off. This is the only thing sticking up. - So there's nobody inside. - No.
- Okay. - If there is, they're
gone or completely buried. - Right. - Can you get to the front grill? Can we identify what this one is? - [Doug] I'll try. - Okay. (ominous music) - [Doug] I got the center
of the steering wheel. - [Jared] Yo. What is it? - The rest of the license
plate is crumbled. - Do we know what kind of steering wheel. - Chevette. I do believe this one as
well, may be a convertible. - And, and there were some rumors and some information as far as a vehicle that they may have
gotten into leaving the bar, that it might have been a green vehicle. What, what is the story on that? That you can help me fill in some pieces, because we found a vehicle in the river and we're just trying to tie all this together to see if we may
have located where the, where the boys are at. - A green Nova. - Okay. And, and so what we have is we have a Nova that is also similar to an Impala and, and we're talking about a
'62, '63, and '64 years, that the Nova and the Impala
are also very identical to a Bel Air and a Oldsmobile Starfire. And we found a Starfire, a
'63 Starfire in the river. - In the Poolsbrook River, canal there. So we found two vehicles
in the river there. And one of 'em is the
'63 Oldsmobile Starfire, which is almost identical to a Chevy Impala and a Nova in the same. - For a '63, '64. - And it appears, and it's really been
beaten up over the years, but it appears as though
it may be green in color, but because the amount of
rust and deterioration work, it's very difficult for us
to tell what the color is. - And so what we were looking
for was just additional information and confirmation
as to what type of vehicle, somebody may have witnessed
them getting into. - Okay. And, and, and you said it was green? - And do you know if, you know, if Mark or Douglas were driving or there's also another rumor
that we've heard as to, if there was another gentleman, gentleman that may have been driving, what do you know on the case on that? - Okay. And do we know if anybody else was ever reported missing in the area? - Okay. Yeah, we're just trying to decide whether we need to go back
and, yeah, if the Nova is close enough to the
Impala is what we're trying to figure out. Like I said, the, the
Starfire that we found is, is identical to an Impala. And there was a rumor, that it
was an Impala and not a Nova that they had gotten into. - You're welcome. Bye-bye. - Mark and Douglas, we still
don't know where they're at. They could have been
in the 1963 Oldsmobile. They could have been in this Chevette. We were not even able to
identify what color it is. That's really the only lead
that we kind of sort of have. Is that it maybe might
have been, a green vehicle. - Both of the vehicles that
we located here in the river, multiple decades underwater, you know, there's zero visibility down there. Everything that I touched crumbles, we got what we could off the vehicles, got a lot of good feedback as to what types of vehicles they were. But it fits what we're looking for, and they're in our target area of where we were supposed to be searching. And that's right here. - The two boys, Mark, 16, and Douglas, 18, they could still be in this river. They could've left State. Nobody knows right now. It's definitely a mystery, if
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