ISN'T AMERICA WORKING? SO JOINING US NOW TO TELL ALL OF US ABOUT THAT, CEO OF MIKE ROWE WORKS, AN EXECUTIVE PRODUCER AND NARRATOR OF ""HOW AMERICA WORKS"." THAT PREMIERS TONIGHT AT 8:00 P.M. RIGHT HERE ON FOX BUSINESS. WELCOME, MIKE ROWE. GOOD LUCK ON YOUR NEW SHOW? >> THANK YOU. I WILL TAKE ALL THE LUCKY CAN GET. LARRY: YOU WILL BE GREAT. WHY ISN'T AMERICA WORKING? WHAT IS UP WITH THIS? >> WELL, I MEAN, THE HONEST ANSWER IS A 380 PAGE BOOK I CAN'T GET AROUND FINISHING BUT THE SHORT VERSION WE HAVE OURSELVES A DYSFUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH WORK. THE PREVAILING DEFINITION AFTER GOOD JOB IS IN CONSTANT FLUX, AND AT MOMENT IT SEEMS TO BE MORE NARROW THAN EVER BEFORE. TO YOUR POINT OPPORTUNITY IS ALIVE AND WELL. NEARLY 11 MILLION OPEN POSITIONS. LARRY: RIGHT. >> MY POINT, THE MESSAGE COMES FROM MY FOUNDATION MOST OFTEN THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN EDUCATION AND THAT NUMBER. FOR INSTANCE, WE'RE STILL ARD ANTLY PRESSURING KIDS TO GET THE FOUR-YEAR DEGREE. WE'RE TELLING THEM IF THEY DON'T, THEY WILL WIND UP AMONG THE DISAFFECTED, UNHAPPY OR DISCONNECTED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE LENDING MONEY WE DON'T HAVE TO KIDS WHO CANNOT PAY IT BACK, TEACH THEM FOR JOCKS THAT DON'T EXIST ANYMORE. JOBS THAT ARE NOT AMONG THE 11 MILLION CURRENTLY OPEN. WHAT IS IT 1.7 TRILLION STUDENT LOANS ON THE BOOK? LARRY: THAT'S RIGHT. >> THAT'S PART OF IT. THERE IS LOT OF MONEY WRAPPED UP INTO THIS, BECAUSE WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY MARGINALIZED WHOLE CATEGORIES OF REALLY IMPORTANT VOCATIONS WE HAVE A PR PROBLEM. WE HAVE STIGMAS, STEREOTYPES, MYTHS, MISPERCEPTIONS THAT AFFIRMATIVELY KEEP PEOPLE FROM EXPLORING CAREERS IN THE TRADE. THAT IS MY LITTLE FOUNDATION. LARRY: TRADES RIGHT. >> SPECIFICALLY THE TRADES. LARRY: I THINK, SOME OF THEM, MOST UNHAPPY PEOPLE I KNOW WENT TO FANCY FOUR YEAR LIBERAL ARTS SCHOOLS FOR $75,000 A YEAR. EITHER THEY OR THE PARENTS PAID FOR OR LOANS THEY TOOK OUT. >> SURE. LARRY: I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST PHILOSOPHY BUT THERE IS LIMIT HOW MANY PHILOSOPHY MAJORS. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. THAT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT. I WENT TO ONE OF THOSE SCHOOLS. SO I WILL BACK OFF. I LEAVE THAT BE. >> OKAY. LARRY: HAVE WE DEVALUED WORK? I ASK IT TWO WAYS, ONE IS CULTURAL QUESTION, HAVE WE DEVALUED WORK? >> SURE. LARRY: THAT USED TO BE THE EPICENTER OF THE AMERICAN IDEA? TWO, ARE WE PAYING THROUGH THESE EXPANDED WELFARE ENTITLEMENTS OR WHATNOT, ARE WE PAYING PEOPLE NOT TO WORK? >> WORKING BACKWARDS YES, OBVIOUSLY. I MEAN IT DOESN'T TAKE A COLLEGE GRADUATE TO LOOK AT THE CHART AND DETERMINE THAT GETTING PAID $600 TO STAY HOME VERSUS $650 TO MAKE LITTLE ROCKS OUT OF BIG ROCKS, RIGHT, PEOPLE WILL MAKE DECISIONS IN THEIR OWN SELF-INTEREST BUT HAVE WE DEVALUED WORK? YEAH, BUT I THINK IT'S WORSE. I THINK WE'VE MADE IT THE ENEMY. I THINK IN POP CULTURE AND IN BOOKS AND IN PORTRAYALS ON TV WE HAVE MADE, WE'VE MADE WORK THE PROXIMATE CAUSE OF OUR AN HAPPINESS AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IF, I DON'T KNOW WE DID THAT ON PURPOSE BUT I THINK THAT WORK IS, IT USED TO BE SUCH A BIG PART OF OUR IDENTITY. NOW IF WORK BECOME THIS IS THING THAT IS MAKING US UNHAPPY, WELL THEN WHO DO WE HAVE TO BLAME FOR IT? TYPICALLY IT IS THE BOSS BUT IN FACT IT IS A MORE INWARD LOOK. SO I'M NOT A SHRINK EITHER BUT MY FOUNDATION HAS ASSISTED 1400 PEOPLE SO FAR. NONE OF WHOM WENT TO A FOUR YEAR SCHOOL. MANY OF THEM LEARNED TO WELD. MANY ARE MAKING IN EXCESS OF SIX FIGURES NOW WITH NO DEBT. I COME BACK TO THIS IDEA ON A MACROLEVEL, SURE, WE'VE GOT A DYSFUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH WORK. ON A MICRO LEVEL YOU CAN STILL FIND INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WILLING TO SHOW UP EARLY, STAY LATE. LARRY: YES. >> LEARN A SKILL IN DEMAND. DURING THE BREAK HE SAID THAT VERY THING TO ME. I'M 73 YEARS OLD, I STILL DO THIS SIX DAYS A WEEK. LARRY: I MEAN IT. I ALWAYS DID, EVEN WHEN I WAS A KID, I STARTED OUT MY CAREER AT THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IN NEW YORK CITY, OPEN MARKET OPERATIONS BUT WITHOUT BORING YOU I'M JUST SAYING TO ME IT'S A SIX-DAY WORK WEEK. WHEN I WORKED IN THE GOVERNMENT, IN THE WHITE HOUSE, I USED TO SPEAK TO A LOT OF YOUNG INTERNS AND ONE OF MY KEY THEMES AGAIN AND AGAIN, WORK HARD AND WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE WORKING HARD, YOU STILL NEED TO WORK HARDER AND WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE WORKING AS HARD AS YOU COULD POSSIBLY WORK, THAT MEANS YOU NEED TO WORK EVEN HARDER THAN THAT AND THEN IT IS GOING TO ALL WORK OUT FOR YOU. I JUST BELIEVE THAT. WORK IS A VIRTUE. WORK IS GODLY IN MY BOOK. WORK IS, I'M NOT SAYING EVERYTHING BUT WORK PUTS THEIR THINGS IN PROPER PLACE. WORK IS GOOD FOR FAMILIES. WORK IS GOOD FOR MAKING A LIVING. WORK IS GOOD FOR ME I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. >> LOOK AT IT REDUCK TIFFLY, LOOK AT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE IT. WE PUT THEM IN ONE CATEGORY, WE SAY THEY'RE UNEMPLOYED. SO MUCH WORSE THAN THAT THEY'RE LOST. THEY'RE LOST, RIGHT? SO THERE IS MUCH TALK TODAY ABOUT JOB SATISFACTION AND THERE IS THIS NARRATIVE THAT IS OUT THERE THAT SAYS THIS IS THE WAY -- HERE IS HOW YOU GET HAPPY IN YOUR WORK, RIGHT? WE SAY IDENTIFY THE THING THAT IS GOING TO MAKE YOU HAPPY. THEN, START BORROWING MONEY AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET ALL THE ACCREDITATIONS AND DEGREES, GO SEARCHING FOR THAT THING. THEN WHEN YOU FIND IT, IF YOU FIND IT COULD BE HAPPY. IF THERE WAS A LESSON YOU COULD LEARN FROM PEOPLE ON THIS PROGRAM, IT'S THAT MANY OF THEM ARE VERY, VERY HAPPY IN THEIR WORK BUT VERY FEW OF THEM WHO ARE DOING THE KINDS OF JOBS THAT WE LOOK AT SET OUT TO DO THAT JOB. THEY LOOKED IN OTHER WORDS FOR SOMETHING ELSE. OPPORTUNITY. AND THEN WHEN THEY IDENTIFIED THE OPPORTUNITY THEY FOUND A WAY TO GET GOOD AT IT. WHEN THEY FOUND A WAY TO GET GOOD AT IT, THEY WERE THEY BECAME SATISFIED. LARRY: YOU GET GOOD AT IT. JUST KEEP DOING IT. >> YOU ARE REALLY A MISERABLE SON OF A GUN. LARRY: YOU KNOW HOW YOU DO IT? YOU KNOW HOW YOU BECOME A GOOD BROADCASTER, WHICH I WAS NOT WHEN I STARTED? KEEP DOING IT EVERY NIGHT. HOW HOW TO BE A GOOD WRITER? KEEP DOING IT. KNOW HOW TO BE A GOOD WELDER, KEEP DOING IT. GET HELP WITH IT. NEXT TIME YOU COME ON, PEOPLE WORKING HARD AND ARE HAPPIER. THERE ARE GOOD ACADEMIC STUDIES. >> YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE SCHOLARSHIP MY PHONEDATION OFFERS ARE WORK ETHIC SCHOLARSHIPS. THAT IS WHAT WE DO. LARRY: MIKE ROWE, THANK YOU, ""HOW AMERICA WORKS." IT KICKS OFF THE NEW FOX BUSINESS PRIME-TIME LINE-UP. DON'T LEAVE US OUT, CATCH "KUDLOWS" EVERY DAY AS USUAL, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AT 4:00 P.M. ON FOX BUSINESS. IF FOR SOME REASON YOU CAN'T CATCH US AT 4:00, DVR THE SHOW SO YOU WILL NEVER MISS A THING, YOU WILL KNOW TO SAVE AMERICA WE SHOULD KILL THE BILL AND
