MORE INVESTIGATIONS, AND GREATER CONSEQUENCES FOR TRUMP. BOY, THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN ON THI GUY. JOINING ME NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, MICHAEL COHEN. THE FORMER PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND FIXER FOR TRUMP. HE IS THE HOST OF MEA CULPA PODCAST, WHICH I'VE APPEARED ON SEVERAL TIMES. AUTHOR OF THE UPCOMING, BOOKS REVENGE, HOW DONALD TRUMP WEAPONIZE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AGAINST HIS CRITICS. HE IS ALSO CREDITED, BY THE WAY, BY NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL LETITIA JAMES THIS WEEK, FOR HELPING HER INVESTIGATION INTO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATIONS FRAUDULENT BUSINESS PRACTICES. NO BETTER PER -- PERSON TO TALK TO ABOUT. THIS NICE TO SEE YOU. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> I JUST HAD A WHOLE LOT OF, THINGS WHAT STANDS OUT TO YOU? MOST >> THERE ARE SO MANY INVESTIGATIONS, AND YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE. IF THIS WAS A TELEVISION, SHOW YOU WOULD TURN AROUND AND SAY, THOSE -- >> YOU WOULD SAY THIS IS TOO COMPLICATED -- >> IT'S STUPID! I CAN'T WATCH THIS, IT'S STUPID, IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN. BUT IT IS HAPPENING, IN REAL TIME IN OUR LIVES. OUR DEMOCRACY IS IN PERIL BECAUSE OF ONE MAN. ONE MAN WHO GOES AHEAD AND WEAPONIZES THE A UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT, AGAINST ITS CREDITS. AGAINST ITS COUNTRY. ANYBODY WHO WAS NOT ONE OF HIS SUPPORTERS, HE IS WILLING TO GO AFTER. HE DOES NOT CARE IF HE BURNS THE COUNTRY DOWN WHILE DOING IT. >> WHAT TURNED YOU? I MEAN, WHEN DID YOU -- ENDED THE PENNY DROP FOR YOU? BECAUSE YOU WERE IN HIS CORNER FOR A WHILE, NOT ONLY IN HIS CORNER, BUT A VERY KEY ONE. >> I WAS AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD GAME. WHAT CHANGED MY MIND WAS WHEN I SAW HIM ON TV, SITTING AT THE TABLE, RIGHT AFTER BEING AT THE HOTEL I WAS STAYING. IT AND FOR FOLKS WHO WANT TO TURN AROUND AND SAY THAT I WAS ON THE LAMB, TWO BLOCKS FROM MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE, WE HAD A FLOOD FROM OUR NEIGHBOR UPSTAIRS. SO WE MOVED INTO THE HOTEL. WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING THERE, IF THEY SAID TO HIM, CAN YOU COME THE IN -- CAN YOU COMMENT ABOUT THE RAIN. I CAN'T BELIEVE, IT'S DISGUSTING, WHAT THEY DID ABOUT MY LAWYERS. >> AND I SHOOK MY HEAD AND SAID ONE OF MY LAWYERS? YOU MEAN THE GUY YOU CALL EVERY MORNING AT 4:30 AM AND THEN 11:30 AT NIGHT BEFORE YOU PUT YOUR HEAD DOWN? ONE OF YOUR LAWYERS? THAT IS WHEN I KNEW, IS IT -- LET ME TELL YOU, THIS DONALD TRUMP THE IS NOT THE BRIGHTEST, YOU KNOW, NOT THE BRIGHTEST GUY YOU EVER MEET. THEY SAY NOT THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED. WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THE LAST GUY IN DONALD TRUMP'S EAR OWNS THE BRAND. AND EVERYBODY WHO IS IN HIS CIRCLE WANTS TO BE THAT LAST GUY. THEY WANT TO CONTROL DONALD, OBVIOUSLY FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL BENEFIT. SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH DONALD, SOMEONE MUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, PUT INTO HIS EAR, LET MICHAEL BE THE FALL GUY. THROW HIM UNDER THE BUS. HE LOVES, YOU HE WILL DO WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO PROTECT YOU, AS HE HAS DONE OVER THE PAST DECADE OR SO. AND FOR ME, NO, FOR ME, IT WAS MORE ABOUT MAKING AMENDS FOR WHAT I HAD DONE BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR MY WIFE, MY DAUGHTER, AND SON, AND I WAS NOT GOING TO BE THE VILLAIN OF DONALD STORY. SO >> WHEN YOU GET THESE THINGS THAT LAETITIA JAMES SAYS, BASED ON SOME OF THE EVIDENCE YOU PROVIDED, THE REPORTINGS OF INFLATING PROPERTIES TO GET A BETTER LOAN, DEVALUING, DONALD TRUMP SAID THIS THE OTHER DAY. HE, SAID I DIDN'T OVERVALUE MY PROPERTIES I UNDERVALUED THEM. THAT'S PART OF THE ALLEGATIONS. BECAUSE HE UNDERVALUED THEM FOR THE PURPOSE OF TAXES. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT HAS COME OUT HERE THAT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE? OR DOES THIS ALL SEEM OBVIOUS TO YOU? >> I DID READ THE 200-PAGE INDICTMENT ON THIS. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE, MAYBE 197, OR ONE 98, I HAD PROVIDED INFORMATION IN TESTIMONY ON EARLY, EARLY ON. THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAME TO VISIT ME THREE TIMES. WHILE I WAS AN INMATE AT OTISVILLE. SO FOR ME, IT WAS HURT, PROVIDING MEET WITH THE CREDIT FOR BEGINNING THE INVESTIGATION IT'S EXTREMELY MEANINGFUL. AND I'M THANKFUL FOR DOING IT, BECAUSE AS I'M ON THIS SO-CALLED REDEMPTION TOUR, SO TO SPEAK, MY GOAL IS NOT JUST TO CLEAR MY NAME. BECAUSE AS YOU WILL SEE IN THIS UPCOMING REVENGE, I SPELL OUT THIS WHOLE THING. I DID NOT COMMIT TAX EVASION. IT WAS A LIE. IT WAS RAMMED DOWN MY THROAT BY PROSECUTORS WITHIN 48 HOURS, WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO INDICT MY WIFE. 25, NOW 28 YEARS I'M NOT LETTING ANYTHING HAPPEN TO HER. SO I TURNED AROUND, I READ THE ALLOCUTION THAT THEY WROTE FOR ME AND I FOLLOWED THE SCRIPT THAT THEY WANTED. NEVER BELIEVING JUDGE POLLEY WAS GOING TO GIVE ME 36 MONTHS. I NEVER BELIEVED. IT BECAUSE I NEVER COMMITTED TAX EVASION. WHAT I DID DO? STORMY DANIELS. THAT I DID DO. AND I ACKNOWLEDGE IT, AND I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. REN MCDOUGAL, THAT WAS DAVID PECKER AT THE NATIONAL INQUIRY. I LAY OUT HOW ONE MAN WEAPONIZE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND, IT'S NOT MY STATEMENTS IN THE, BOOK IT STATEMENTS FROM JUDGMENTS AND PROSECUTORS AND LAWYERS AND JOURNALISTS YOU NAME IT. WITH DOCUMENTS, YOU UNDERSTAND THIS. DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE DOESN'T LIE. BARBARA MCQUADE WAS ON THE SHOW EARLIER. I HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH HER. DOCUMENTS OR WHAT IS GOING TO PUT DONALD IN THE WORST SITUATION THAT HE'S BEEN IN. AND THAT IS CRIMINAL LIABILITY. WHAT >> IS THE WORST SITUATION HE'S BEEN? AND IS IT THAT LAETITIA JAMES IS CLEANING CLAIMING A LOT OF MONEY? YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THE TWO 5000 DOLLARS. WHO DEFRAUDED PEOPLE OF NEW YORK. IS IT THE REFERRAL TO THE IRS? OR IS IT THE REFERRAL TO THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK? >> IT'S BOTH. AND LET'S SEE IF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK PICKS UP THE CASE. LET'S NOT FORGET, THEY HAD A DOZEN SEALED INDICTMENTS, BASED ON MY STATEMENT FOR THE BENEFIT OF INDIVIDUAL NUMBER ONE, WHO WE ALL KNOW IS DONALD J TRUMP. SO, THEY ENDED UP GETTING RID OF THOSE SILVER LININGS. WE DON'T HAVE A STRONG ENOUGH CASE. LET'S SEE IF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, WHO IS NO LONGER UNDER HIS CONTROL, WILL PICK UP THE MANTLE. IRS, IT IS AN OPEN AND SHUT CASE. NUMBERS DON'T LIE, PEOPLE DO. AND DONALD IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST LIARS THAT YOU'LL EVER MAKE OR MEET. SO, IN THE INDICTMENT I SAY, THIS LETITIA JAMES WRITES, THE BASELINE IS 250 MILLION. SHE IS NOT GOING BELOW THAT. THE AMOUNT IS SUBSTANTIALLY GREATER, AND AGAIN, I SAID ON MANY MANY SHOWS I BELIEVE THAT NUMBER TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 7:50 AND ONE BILLION DOLLARS. THAT WILL WIPE HIM OUT. HE DOESN'T HAVE CASH. THANK >> DOESN'T MAKE IT WORSE? BECAUSE THEN HE'S GOT A RUN FOR PRESIDENT? >> NO. HE'S NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ON MY PODCAST. I'VE BEEN ON EVERY SHOW. HE'S NOT GONNA RUN. THAT WOULD STOP HIM FROM BEING ABLE TO TAKE THE MONEY THAT HE IS TAKING FROM THESE UNWITTING SUPPORTERS THAT JUST KEEP FUNDING HIM TO THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. >> HE MAKES A LOT OF MONEY OFF OF THAT. MICHAEL, GOOD TO SEE YOU MY FRIEND, VERY HONEST AND FORTHCOMING CONVERSATION WITH. YOU MICHAEL COHEN IS THE AUTHOR OF THE UPCOMING BOOK, REVENGE, HOW DONALD TRUMP WEAPONIZE THE
