Marc Lamont Hill Debates Parent Objecting to How Race is Taught in School

A MORE PERSONAL PERSONAL LOAN. >> WELCOME BACK TO BLACK NEWS TONIGHT WE'VE RECENTLY REPORTED ON A DECISION BY THE WESTFIELD SCHOOL DISTRICT IN NEW JERSEY TO PLACE A HIGH SCHOOL AMERICAN STUDIES COURSE ON HOLD WITH THE OBJECTION THAT THE CURRICULUM INCLUDES NOVELIST TONI MARSTON'S THE BLUEST EYE LAST WEDNESDAY I SPOKE TO A LOCAL REPORTER. MET KADOSH AND ASK HIM. WHY THE PUSHBACK AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR BOOK AND. IF THERE WAS MORE TO THE PICTURE THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HERE'S WHAT HE SAID SEVERAL. >> MONTHS BEFORE THIS THERE WAS A BLACK HISTORY. MONTH SPEAKER WHO PARENTS OBJECTED. TIO HE WAS AH IN OLYMPIC ATHLETE AND YOU KNOW ALSO UH. MORE RECENTLY PARENTS OBJECTED TO. ANOTHER BOOK CALLED OUR SKIN WHICH DETAILS RACE BUT SPECIFICALLY IN A WAY THAT STEERED TOWARDS KINDERGARTENS YOU KNOW YOUNG VERY YOUNG CHILDREN AND THE PARENTS AND RAISED OBJECTIONS TO THE AGE APPROPRIATENESS OF IT JOINING ME NOW IS BREAD SCHAFER. HE IS AN AUTHOR AND A WESTFIELD PARENT WITH A SON IN HIGH SCHOOL AND A DAUGHTER WHO GRADUATED FIVE YEARS AGO. THANK YOU FOR JOINING BLACK NEWS TONIGHT BRAD IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU JUST HEARD FROM MATT KADOSH HEY MENTIONED OTHER REASONS THAT GOT SOME PARENTS AND BOARD MEMBERS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW RACE IS BEING TAUGHT IN WESTFIELD SCHOOLS HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE. SURE FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME I APPRECIATE IT. WELL I THINK FIRST I WANTED TO SPELL A COUPLE OF A COUPLE. ISSUES HERE NUMBER ONE THE PARENTS. >> I KNOW VERY FEW PARENTS OF ANY WHO ARE NOT EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH THE WESTFIELD SCHOOL SYSTEM AS A WHOLE I FEEL LIKE MY MY CHILDREN GET A GREAT EDUCATION SO THIS IS BY NO MEANS A CONDEMNATION OF THE ENTIRE SCHOOL SYSTEM. UM BUT I I ALSO FEEL LIKE. >> WHENEVER APPARENT OBJECTS TO A CERTAIN BIT OF MATERIAL IN THE CURRICULUM. A STRONG MAN GETS RAYS AND. THEY BASICALLY SAY WELL IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THIS PARTICULAR BOOK WHERE THIS PARTICULAR MOTIVE TEACHING YOU'RE AGAINST THE ENTIRE LESSON PLAN HERE AGAINST THE ENTIRE TEACHING OF AMERICAN HISTORY WHICH I FIND TO BE UTTERLY NONSENSE. SO WHAT? THAT SAID. THE ISSUE WE HAD THERE WERE REALLY TWO BOOKS THAT CONCERN REALLY TWO THINGS THAT CONCERN THIS UM THE FIRST ONE WAS. THIS BOOK OUR SKIN FIRST CONVERSATION ON RACE AND THIS BOOK WAS GEARED TOWARDS FIVE YEAR OLDS AND I'VE WRITTEN A LOT OF HISTORICAL CONTENT OVER THE YEARS. I'VE WRITTEN FOR SEVERAL PUBLICATIONS WALL STREET JOURNAL DAILY WIRE WHATEVER WRITTEN TWO NOVELS I MEAN HISTORY IS A BIT OF MY PASL SURPRISED BY THIS BOOK BECAUSE I WOULD JUST READ DIRECTLY. THE PREMISE OF THIS BOOK IF I MAY IT SAYS A LONG TIME AGO WAY BEFORE YOU WERE BORN A GROUP OF WHITE PEOPLE MADE UP AN IDEA CALLED RACE THE SORT OF PEOPLE BY SKIN COLOR AND SAID THAT WHITE PEOPLE WERE BETTER SMARTER PRETTIER THAT THEY DESERVE MORE THAN EVERYBODY ELSE.. RACISM IS ALSO THE THINGS PEOPLE DO AND UNFAIR RULES. THEY MAKE ABOUT RACE SO THAT WHITE PEOPLE GET MORE POWER AND ARE TREATED BETTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE RACISM HAPPENS A LOT OF BIG A SMALL WAYS IT'S ALL AROUND US EVEN IF WE DON'T ALWAYS NOTICE. IF YOU READ THE ENTIRE BOOK THE ON LY PEOPLE THE ONLY GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EVEN WHO ARE GIVEN THE SCARLET LET THE SCARLET OUR LETTER OF RACISM ARE IS OUR WHITE PEOPLE AND THAT IS JUST NOT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE NUMBER ONE BUT MORE TO THE POINT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IS JUST SO THAT I CAN LET ROGER THEY'RE JUST SO WE CAN UNPACK SOME OF THE STUFF. FIRST YOU DEFINITELY A PIECE FROM THE BOOK THAT WAS LIKE THE OPENING PAGE OF THE BOOK THE BOOK STARTS BY SAYING THAT WE ALL HAVE SKIN RIGHT THAT WE ALL HAVE OUR SKIN COR ANTHAT THEY'RE ARE BEAUTIFUL AND THE BOOK THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE BOOK THIS IS A BOARD BOOK SO IT'S ABOUT MAYBE LIKE TWENTY PAGES THAT I READ IT AGAIN. NO I KNOW YOU DIDN'T BUT MY AUDIENCE THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHING I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE CONTEXT THAT YOU AND I HAVE BECAUSE WE READ IT ON DSO FOR THOSE OUT THERE WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT YOU READ WAS A PIECE OF THE BOOK BUT A VERY SMALL PIECE OF THE BOOK AND THE BOOK IS LARGELY ABOUT SAYING THAT WE ALL HAVE A COLOR. WE ALL HAVE A RACE. AND THAT NO ONE IS BETTER THAN. ANYBODY ELSE AND THAT IT'S WRONG TO MISTREAT PEOPLE ON PURPOSE OR BY ACCIDENT AND THAT WE HAVE TO CREATE A WORLD THAT'S BETTER NOW YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE BOOK DOES SAY THAT THE CATEGORY OF RACE WAS CREATED BY WHITE PEOPLE NOW THERE'S TWO PIECES TODAY AND I WANTED I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT BOTH OF THEM ONE IS A QUESTION OF WHETHER IT'S ACCURATE AND TWO IS A QUESTION OF WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE. LET'S START WITH THE ACCURATE THING WOULD YOU DISAGREE. THAT THE CATEGORY OF RACE WAS CREATED BY PEOPLE WHO WE'D IDENTIFY HIS WHITE BY EUROPEANS. >> WELL YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK THE CHINESE WHO THE JAPANESE MASSACRED NINETEEN THIRTY SEVEN OR THE PEOPLE IN MANILA WHO THE JAPANESE MASSACRED NINETEEN FORTY FIVE WHETHER OR NOT. >> RACISM IS SOLELY PRACTICE BY THE WHITE RACE.. >> MEAN THERE'S NOT JUST ONE LOT OF I ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN NO NO NO. MY QUESTION WASN'T WHAT ABOUT WHO'S RACIST? MY QUESTION WAS IF THE BOOK SAYS THAT THE CATEGORY OF RACE WAS CREATED BY EUROPEANS THE CATEGORY OF RACE NOT RACISM WERE NO WHAT'S MAKING THE CASE THAT ONLY WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE RAISES THE BOOKS IS THAT RACE AS A CATEGORY WAS INVENTED YOU READ IT YOURSELF WITH CREATED DO YOU DISAGREE THAT RACES A CATEGORY WAS CREATED BY EUROPEANS. >> EXACTLY THAT'S WHAT THE WHERE WAS CREATED. LOOK DIDN'T DIDN'T LOOK UP THE TERM GUY GENE THAT GOES BACK THE FOURTEENTH CENTURY IN JAPAN. WHICH MEANS NON JAPANESE. >> RIGHT SO THERE IS AND THIS IS THE BABY OUTSIDE. >> ALSO SAYING THERE IS A DIFFERENCE I'M SORRY THERE'S A SLIGHT DELAY. I WANT PEOPLE TO THINK WE'RE INTERRUPTING EACH OTHER. GO AHEAD NOW THAT YOU FINISHED. >> NO I'M JUST SAYING. >> I'M NOT ON HERE. TO DEFEND HORRIFIC ACTIONS OR TO SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE DO IT IT MAKES IT OKAY OF COURSE NOT THAT THAT'S AN INANE IDEA. I WANT THE SINS OF THE UNITED STATES TO BE TAUGHT THAT THAT'S PART OF OUR HISTORY TO TEACH THE UNITED STATES HISTORY AND NOT TEACH THE HISTORY OF INDIAN GENOCIDE CANNOT TEACH THE HISTORY OF THE TRIANGLE TRADE NOT TEACH THE HISTORY JIM CROW OF THE OF THE CHINESE EXCLUSION ACTS OF YOU KNOW OF SEGREGATION OF THE STRUGGLE OF THE SUFFRAGETTES OF YOU KNOW ALSO MY WIFE'S FAMILY CAME FROM ITALY AND THEY YOU KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT SACCO AND VANZETTI. I HAVE IRISH BLOOD IN ME I NEED NOT TELL YOU. IRISH NEED NOT APPLY THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN THE HISTORY OF PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT RACES AND DIFFERENT CREEDS AND COLORS TRYING TO GET ALONG AS BEST THEY CAN UM AND IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK BUT UH TO SAY THAT IN GENERAL THE CATEGORY OF RACE I MEAN I GUESS WE HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE CATEGORY OF RACE YOU MEAN. >> YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ARE THEY SAYING THAT RIGHT SO YOU HAVE A TO CATEGORIZE RACE YOU HAVE TO FIRST BE RACIST. >> DO YOU NOT? ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT OTHER THAN OTHER PEOPLES HAVE NOT? MAYBE THEY DIDN'T USE THE TERM RAIN YOU KNOW THEY NOT CATEGORIZE PEOPLE BY THEIR LOOKS AND BUY. YOU KNOW I MEAN THERE'S THERE'S THERE'S THE CLAN. >> OF THE CAVE SYSTEM IN INDIA. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IT'S A GREAT IT'S A GREAT QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING RIGHT AND IRONICALLY THERE'S A SCHOLAR WHO YOU'D PROBABLY LARGELY DISAGREE. WITH RIGHT DOROTHY ROBERTS WHO ONE OF WHAT CALL FATAL INVENTION THAT WOULD MAKE THE CASE THAT YOU'RE MAKING RIGHT THAT IT'S NOT THAT WE CREATED RACE AND. SUDDENLY WE FOUND RACIST IS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE RACISTS WHO CREATED THE CATEGORY OF RACE JUIFYI BEEN LEGITIMIZING VARIOUS FORMS OF INEQUALITY AGAINST EACH OTHER. BREAD IS YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU ME BIOLOGICALLY IS INFINITE TESTIMONY SMALL THERE'S NO REAL BIOLOGICAL DIFFERENCE RACES IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT THAT'S CREATED FOR PARTICULAR PURPOSE. NOW RACE IS DIFFERENT THAN ETHNICITY IS DIFFERENT THAN RELIGION IS DIFFERENT IN OTHER FORMS. OF IDENTITY YOU'RE RIGHT PEOPLE HAVE TREATED OUTSIDERS POORLY FOREVER. PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED. PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT IN THEM POORLY FOREVER YOU MENTIONED CASSIS AND IN INDIA YES BUT NO ONE NO ONE IN INDIA WAS ALLEGING THAT THEY WERE A DIFFERENT RACE THEIR RELIGION IT BECAUSE THEY WERE DIFFERENT CAST THEY DESERVE TO BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY. SO I AGREE WITH KIS OFISCRINATN. IS 'S ALL BEEN ENGAGED AROUND THE WORLD FOREVER BUT THE CATEGORY OF RAISED TO BELIEVE THAT OUR FEMALE TIPPING DIFFERENCES SKIN SKIN PIGMENT SKIN COLOR THE THICKNESS OF MY LIPS AND SUCH THAT THESE THINGS WERE MEASURES OF SOME INHERENT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME THAT IS A EUROPEAN ADVENTURE INVENTION THAT IS A ABSOLUTELY INDISPUTABLE HISTORICAL FACT THAT THE ONLY KIND OF INJUSTICE AND INEQUALITY BUT IT IS ONE AND THAT'S WHAT THIS LITTLE TINY SCHOOL BOOK IS ALSO ALLEGING. NOW THE QUESTION OF SHOULD FIVE YEAR OLDS GET IT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHEN WE COME BACK. WHEN PRICE NOW AT LETTER LIFE DOC WELCOME. >> BACK TO BLACK NEWS TONIGHT I'M BACK WITH WESTFIELD NEW JERSEY SCHOOL PARENT AND AUTHOR BRAND SCHAEFFER'S. AS WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THE WAY RAY TAUGHT IN THAT DISTRICT SHINE A LIGHT ON THE LARGER ISSUES ACROSS THE NATION I LOOKED AT THE SYLLABUS AND I SAW A BUNCH OF AUTHORS. I'VE SEEN OTHER INTERVIEWS YOU HAD YOU HAD SOME CONCERNS CRITIQUES ABOUT THE AUTHORS THEMSELVES. WHAT DID YOU SEE WITH REGARD TO THE AUTHORS ON THE SYLLABUS THAT YOU FOUND PROBLEMATIC THAT THERE IS NO BALANCE. >> THAT THAT EVERY AUTHOR FROM ONE SIDE OF THE PERSPECTIVE OF A PERSPECTIVE WHICH IS AGAIN THIS IS ANOTHER STRONG MAN THAT I'M ON HERE ON BEHALF OF MANY PARENTS TO DISPEL. A ASS KE TS THAT TEACHES AINST RACISM OR THAT TEACHES THE HISTORY OF RACISM. I SHOULD SAY ACTUALLY I THINK IT DOES. TEACH RACISM BUT TO TEACH THE HISTORY OF RACISM THE UNITED STATES. BUT THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THE COIN AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUSTIFYING RACISM. I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW IN THIS BOOK THERE ARE NO THERE. ARE NO RIGHT OF CENTER AUTHORS WHATSOEVER THERE THERE'S THERE'S NO CLARENCE THOMAS. THERE'S NO THOMAS SOUL THERE NO BOOKER T WASHINGTON'S. THERE'S NO BURGESS OWENS THERE'S NO CANDACE OWENS. I MEAN YOU CAN GO DOWN THE LIST YOU KNOW AND. YET WE'RE THE ONES. BEING ACCUSED LET ME ASK YOU THIS THESE THESE ARE THESE ARE GOOD EXAMPLES YOU GIVE BREAD LET ME ASK YOU QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID BECAUSE THIS IS A THIS IS NOT A COMMENTARY RIGHT THIS IS AND AGAIN THIS IS AN INSTRUMENT FOR ME I'M A GENUINE QUESTION OF WHO YOU WANT TO SEE ON THE SYLLABUS. >> NOT THROWN I'M SAYING OTHER PEOPLE FAIR POINT FAIR POINT I UNDERSTOOD IF IF YOU WANT TO SEE CANDICE OWENS FOR EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO SEE CANDIS OWENS OR OR OR OR BOOKER T WASHINGTON YOU. >> KNOW TWO NAMES TO ME ARE HUGE GAPS. >> BUT WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE FROM THEM WHAT PERSPECTIVE RACISM IS MISSING FROM THIS ON TECH FROM FROM THIS TEXT FROM THE SYLLABUS. WELL IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE SYLLABUS IT COULD BASICALLY BE BROKEN DOWN TO HOW THE WHITE SUPPRESSED BLACKS HOW WHITE SUPPRESSED INDIANS HOW WHITE SUPPRESSED HISPANICS HOW WHITE SUPPRESSED ASIANS. >> THAT IS LITERALLY IF YOU GO DOWN THE SYLLABUS THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF EACH BULLET POINT OF EACH LESSON RIGHT. >> AND AND WHAT I DON'T DANGER. PERSPECTIVE HELP ME. UNDER. >> WELL BECAUSE IT'S IT'S THOSE DIVISION I MEAN ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF PEOPLE GETTING ALONG OR DYOU NT TSEE OPLE ONE PERSON GO TO THIS LINE ONE PERSON GO TO THIS LINE ONE PERSON GO TO THIS LINE YOU'RE OPPRESSED URINE OPPRESSOR I MEAN YOU KNOW THE LAST TIME WE HAD PEOPLE GO YOU GO THIS LINE YOU GO THAT LINE.. >> IT DIDN'T WORK OUT VERY WELL IS CALLED AUSCHWITZ WAS CALLED BERGEN BELSEN. I MEAN YOU KNOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS. WE HAVE A CHOICE TO MAKE IN THIS COUNTRY DO WE WANT TO SEE EACH OTHER AS CHILDREN OF GOD AND AS HUMAN BEINGS? WE REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT EACH OTHER. WITHOUT CARING ABOUT SOMEBODY SOMEBODY SKIN COLOR OR DO WE WANT TO ANYOU N ASK ME AND SHOW ME ONE NATION IN HISTORY WHERE. >> ONCE TRIBALISM TOOK OVER FROM MULTICULTURALISM AND IN OUR CASE THE INCREDIBLE WONDERFUL PLAGIARISM THAT IS THIS COUNTRY SHOW ME ONE NATION WHERE THAT HASN'T WEAKENED IT TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S DESTROYED IT. THE TERM BALKANIZATION YOU DIDN'T COME OUT OF THE BLUE AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THESE COURSES ARE DOING. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS WE'RE TEACHING EACH OTHER TO DECIDE TO TO HATE EACH OTHER. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TEACHING THE HISTORY AND INDOCTRINATING INTO A A WORLDVIEW THAT BASICALLY SEES ONE SIDE IS OPPRESSOR WHICH MEANS NOTHING YOU DO. >> IF YOU'RE A FIVE YEAR OLD NOTHING YOU DO. WILL HAVE HAVE ANY MERIT BECAUSE THE SYSTEM'S RIGGED IN YOUR FAVOR AND THE OTHER SIDE AS AN OPPRESSOR THAT SAYS NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO YOU CAN NEVER DO YOU CAN NEVER GET AHEAD BECAUSE WE WERE TAUGHT BREAD WHAT IS THE LOBBY TEACHER BREAD BRAD BRAD BRAD BUT MY FRIEND HERE YOU'RE RAILING AGAINST GERMAN NAME ONE TEXTILE THAT SYLLABUS IS THAT THIS IS AN ABSTRACT QUESTIONS ISN'T IT GOT YOU? YOU READ EVERYTHING WHEN IT'S EDIBLE SO YOU'RE AWARE OF EVERYTHING ON THE SYLLABUS SHE READ THE BOOK. IS THERE ONE BOOK ONE THIS ONE BOOK AN HOST TGOD THE ONE BOOK ON THE SYLLABUS THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU'RE RIGHT THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO IT IF YOU'RE BLACK THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO GET OUT OF YOUR RESPECTIVE RACIAL. >> ONCE HONESTLY ISN'T ONE BOOK THAT SAYS THAT THEIR NAMES WERE THERE A LOT OF BOOKS. >> YOUR WIFE THERE'S SOMETHING. >> ON THE FIELD LET'S SEE WHITE WHICH I'M NOT INVISIBLE ALL RIGHT LET'S SEE HERE UH YOU READ THAT RIGHT TIME APARTMENTS NO. LET'S PAUSE THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE NAMING THEM AND JUST ANSWER THE TIME SO WHITE PRIVILEGE PACKING THE INVISIBLE IN THAT SACK YOU READ THAT CORRECT THIS ONE I DIDN'T. >> THE FIRE THIS TIME I HAVE. >> OKAY SO HOW ARE YOU? SAYING THAT THAT IS READ THE FIRE TO BE THE FIRE. NEXT TIME OKAY MARK THERE ARE ONE TWO THREE FOUR. WHAT IS THE FIRE NEXT TIME SAY THAT TEN ELEVEN TWELVE THIRTEEN FOURTEEN BOOKS LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION SHOW ME ONE CONSERVATIVE AUTHOR ON THIS UNDERSELL IT SHOW ME. >>. NO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BUT. >> >> YOU READY FOR. >> FIELDS WAKEN GET ALL YOUR POINTS SO WAY OUT OF THIS PLACE BUT I DON'T WANT TEO WAVES OF MINE FIRST BUT I WAS CONSIDERED TO BE RIGHT. THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO BE WRITING. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT ON THE SYLLABUS. >>. OKAY BRETT THAT'S A STRONG MAN. I'M NOT ARGUING THAT THERE ARE CONSERVATIVES BUT YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION.. >> BRETT YOU'RE LITERALLY DEBATING AN ARGUMENT THAT THERE ARE NO CONSERVATIVES ON THE SYLLABUS. WHEN I NEVER SAID THAT THERE WERE THAT IS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A STRAW BUT AGAIN MY QUESTION WOULD NOT BREAK BREAK I DON'T DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO GET TO OUR FIELD READ. >> YOU SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT SYABUSHAT ACH YOU THAT THE WHEN YOU ARE BLACK OR WHITE THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT YOUR RESPECTIVE LATIN LIFE OR YOUR POSITION AND ASK YOU TO NAME TOO AND YOUR NAME. PEGGY MACINTOSH WHICH YOU HAVEN'T WRITTEN BY THE WAY IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IN A BOOK IT'S JUST RIGHT BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM. WE CAN'T JUST ARBITRARILY PICK THINGS OFF THE LIST THAT WE DIDN'T READ AND THEN THE SECOND THING YOU SAID WAS THE FIRE. NEXT TIME SO THERE'S TWO SECTIONS TO THE FIRE NICK NO. NO THERE'S TWO SECTIONS TO THE FIRE NEXT TIME THE FIRST SECTION OF THE FIRE. NEXT TIME RIGHT IS A LETTER TO TEH TH LEDO THNEPHEW. THAT YOU'RE ASKING ME NOW TO YOU ASK ME NOW TO BASICALLY LOOK THROUGH A BOOK THAT I READ MANY YEARS AGO SO. >> I KNOW I'M ASKING YOU FOR GETTING US OUT LOT THAT THE MOTHER HEARS WHAT YOU'RE YOU SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT TEACHES RACISM AND THEN I'M ASKING YOU ARE YOU GOING?. >> DO YOU WANT TO KNOW. >> >> LET'S POSIT IT PAUSE BUT LET'S PART AS WILL LET YOU SPEAK BUT I WANT TO SPEAK. IS WELL. IT'MASSE PAS FOR A MINUTE SO THAT WE COULD MOVE TO ANOTHER SO THAT WE COULD MOVE TO ANOTHER TOPIC. WOULD YOU LIKE TO? RETRACT YOUR POINT THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF TEXT ON THE SYLLABUS THAT SPEAK TO THE ARGUMENT YOU MAKE IT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECONSIDER READ THE TEXT AND COME BACK TO THE SHOW TO DISCUSS THAT POINT. WOULD THAT BE FAIR? ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS REALLY REFERRING TO WAS THE OTHER WAS THE CHILDREN'S BOOK WHICH IS REALLY WHAT I CAME ON TO DISCUSS BUT. >> I NOTICED THAT YOU MENTIONED THE SYLLABUS BUT YOU MENTIONED THE SYLLABUS YOU YOU MENTIONED THE SILLY BUT MARK YES YES AND NO. >> NO STOP. >> YOU WANT HEAR MARK WHAT I SAID WAS THERE'S NOT ONE CONSERVATIVE OFFDO Y DISAGREE WITH. >> YES THAT IS ALSO DO I DISAGREE THAT I AGREE THERE'S NO CONSERVATIVE OFF FATHER YEAH I ALWAYS. AGREED THAT IT WAS A STRONG MAN. OKAY RIGHT WELL. WHY IS THE REASON?. >> BECOME ONE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT. >> NO IT'S NOT WHAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT. I'M HAVING ANSWERED THAT YOU DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR WHAT I'M DOING OKAY GOD YOU ANSWERED. >> SO SO ALL ALL POINTS. OF EW D'T ND TOE IN EVERY COURSE. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IF I WERE TEACHING THE HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST OR ONE OF THE MOST ATROCIOUS EVENTS BOTH IT'S ONLY ME DISRESPECTED YOU WON'T EVEN GO DOWN DO NOT EVEN GO DOWN THAT FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MIND COUGH. >> I MADE IT ON HAD IT MADE AN ARGUMENT. NO I HAVEN'T. MADE IT OUR REGULAR TEA I'M SAYING I NEED YOU TO SAY ANY TIME YOU ARE LITERALLY MODELING WHITE PRIVILEGE RIGHT NOW AND LITERALLY MODELING THE KIND OF UFF EY CES WH A PARTICULAR TYPES EXACTLY SO SO. SO INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF TELLING ME WHEN THE STOCK WHEN THE TALK IS THAT TELLING MEI WENT INSTEAD OF TELLING ME WHAT MY ARGUMENT IS GOING TO BE IN TOUCH GOING TO SAVE ME MY TIME WHEN I'M GOING TO STAKE MY ARGUMENT ON MY SHOW YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO LEAVE CHINA LISTEN IF YOU WANNA HAVE A CAR YOU HAVE SO YOUR SHOW WHICH YOU HAVEN'T NONE THIS IN YEARS. >> OKAY SO LET'S GO RIGHT THERE'S A REASON YOU KNOW WHY I HAVE A SHOW BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN KNOW THINGS AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS TOC ANI'M HAVING EXPERTISE ON THIS TOPIC AND I'M HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT BOOKS THAT YOU HAVEN'T READ THAT YOU'RE LITERALLY DISAGREEING WITH AND THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS. THE CONVERSATION YOU KNOW. >> YOU KEEP GOING BACK. SO WHAT IS THERE? A CONSERVATIVE AUTHOR ON THAT I'M NOT GOING BACK TO ONE BOOK. I'M NOT THERE TO CONSERVE WATER ON THAT FOOT THAT'S THE PROBLEM. WE HAD THE PROBLEM. >> THAT WAS NOT. THE CLASS PROBABLY EVEN HAVE IS NOT WITH ANY OF THESE BOOKS. >> THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT THERE'S NO COUNTERVAILING ARGUMENT IN THESE BOOKS. >> UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO SIT HERE AND TELL ME THAT HE'S ALL RIGHT ACTUALLY SAY THAT YOU CAN PICK YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOTRA SELF THOMAS SOUL SAYS. >> NO. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING ALL RIGHT SO YOU'VE BEEN HER. I HEAR YOUR PERSPECTIVE.. NOW I WANT TO GET MY NOW I'M GOING TO RESPOND AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO NOT HEAR THE WHOLE MY POINT WAS. >> I WASN'T MAKING A HOLOCAUST ARGUMENT I WAS SAYING IS I WAS JUST WRITING TO YOUR ARGUMENT OUT WHICH WAS FROM THE LAST SEGMENT WAS ACTUAL RESPONDING TO YOUR HOLOCAUST ARGUMENT BUT. >> TO BE CLEAR YOU DIDN'T LET ME FINISH IF YOU HAD YOU'D UNDERSTAND THAT I WAS. ACTUALLY RESPONDING TEO. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING HERE. >> SO SOME OF MY ARGUMENT. MY ARGUMENT HERE IS THAT THERE'S OFTEN NO COUNTERVAILING POINT SLAVERY. WAS A HORRIBLE ATROCITY THE HOLOCAUST WAS A HORRIBLE ATROCITY POPE POL POT ACTIONS HORRIBLE ATROCITY IN KAMATA ROUGE THEY'RE AWFUL HUMAN ATROCITIES THAT SIMPLY DON'T HAVE A COUNTERPOINT. THERE'S IS NO COUNTERPOINT ON THE HOLOCAUST NO COUNTERPOINT TO SLAVERY I DON'T NEED A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE CAN THERE BE A CONSERVATIVE PERSPECTIVE? ONE ISSUE SURE WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THEM BUT EVERY COURSES ANYONE EVERY COURSE HAS NEED LIBERAL PERSPECTIVE WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS READ THE COURT BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY READ THE LITERATURE IN THIS VERY COURSE YOU HAVE ACTUALLY NUANCED

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