Lightbringers Guild Wars 2 Podcast S02E55 - NEW Fractal play through & expac/general thoughts!

[Music] hello everyone and welcome to the lightbrings podcast episode 55. it's definitely episode 55 and we are today going to be playing the silent surf fractal that just arrived in Guild Wars 2 about a week or so ago we've heard all about the expansion that's what we talked about last episode so if you do want to go and check out all the information about that everyone is hyped excited joyful all of the figs so go and check out the latest episode it's got a bunch of comments on it everyone is very excited about the things we have a wonderful guest for next Rookery and proof all here today uh and excited for things to come hello everyone how are we doing good good oh Deb we're playing the fractal I thought you were just gonna all Let Me Now ramble for three hours about how to send it well you can I just have to go through everything again and play it and just have your reactions to the podcast I can do that yeah you want I love that yeah let's just move that scrap everything else no I'm kidding I am really looking forward to the many conversations I'm sure we will have about the expansion leading up to its release because I was really sad I couldn't be with everybody last week but I'll keep that in check for now well we will have more of it don't worry I'm actually thinking about doing a podcast where we maybe even talk about each weapon and what we think may be going in like the abilities and stuff for each one yeah that'd be fun I think so and it could be it doesn't have to be like really long like we could do a couple of weapons um you know pistols and elementalists and we could draw things and just come up with fun things we think might happen and like predictions and I you remember what we did before with the elite specs yeah yeah this will be much more specific yeah yeah our phonak so last time we had um I don't know if you watched them but we had Elite specialization predictions so we're each stream when they we played the trailer and then we were like just went on speculation podcast and they were easy I think they were three hours long each one I think oh yeah for sure they were definitely around that I don't know if we cracked the four hour mark But there is a model too I think yeah we used to do them all the time all the time though for you I don't know how I think it was just me forgetting time and we're just it's just like yeah this doesn't matter um I just held them I remember them I was definitely a lurker in the chat so yeah ah okay you still decided to join us wow that's your own downfall no one can fix that no it's not exactly um let's do a mini introof tell us what you do and where you do it hi everyone so if you're looking to go to my Facebook Marketplace I'm currently selling some T-shirts candles and gems no it's not a pyramid scheme it's just a you know it's a ladder that you have to climb but on top of Facebook pyramid schemes I mean just marketplaces I also uh make videos over on YouTube about Guild Wars 2. specifically Guild Wars 2 secrets of the Obscure because that's the fourth expansion and I um released a new video today going over the Wizard's fault so check out all my excitement in regards to wizards ball you can head on over there and also I stream here on Twitch every once in a while so uh thank you all so much for being here I love you all proof just came back from an anime show and uh yeah I went to Anime Expo I didn't go to Anime Expo this this year bro it sounded like you were 5 000 years old an anime show just came back from a Japanese yeah just information that's an anime show I know I don't know whatever it is keep it in keep it it was like I was like I was excited for you so it's very fun it was there was pictures I think you took the same picture every day with the same model it was a ritual there was a giant model of Ephraim and I had to every single day I had to go by and say hi to the baby did you and your friends doing like random poses was very good uh I thought the maid's outfit was the best one oh yeah amazing two people stopped me and asked me for a picture and there were thousands of maids there so okay you were serving the best maid I cinched I cinched it slowly got looser throughout the day because it hurt all right interesting okay all right for next welcome back that's what you do what are you doing path of smoke coming out from your name because I can't fix it so I can see the teacup as well oh never mind I'm smoking a giant under the table it's fine don't do drugs kids no children watch this um and I make content over on YouTube and occasionally stream here on Twitch um and talk to these lovely people once a week which is amazing um and yeah that's me hi don't judge my fire brand healing okay just done okay yes you're playing uh you it's gonna be responsible for our lives um awesome stuff as well as proofs on the YouTubes and then Rookery is back and returning hello my friend how are you doing tell us about yourself when you do it will you do hi I'm Rook AKA Rookery and kruff told me that if I sell these candles I will get rich and be able to move into a mansion so please check out my Facebook Marketplace as well um and I'm really banking on that so hopefully definitely a lot of it I'm not gonna you're gonna have to make one Be Your Own Boss make your own hours um but what I'm not a part of this incredible new business opportunity uh you can find me over on my channel on Twitch which is rookery that's r-o-o-k-u-r-i you can also find me on YouTube at the same and for now until Twitter burns on Twitter at Rookery underscore um you can find me on Instagram too just at Rookery we'll see what happens it's been a wild weird time but I'm super happy to be back and I will say um I can big vouch as well for both proof and fornax's coverage of the expansion because I've been watching your videos and they are top tier very good very good we covered it live on stream on my channel but I then went and watched your videos and I was like damn that's so good they're both so good at this top tier coverage thank you excellent and uh if you do want to support any of these wonderful creators there uh link for the expansion is in the description so if you go and Chuck a little click over to there you can purchase the expansion also um some of the other expansions which I believe are still maybe on sale I'm not too sure um and no doubt they will be on sale again before the new expansion comes down so click on that link and you click Buy on that page as well and then you go and purchase the expansion you can get a little bit of a kickback a little bit of support okay massively helpful we're all living their Partners as well um bootsy's link is on there for this week and uh Rookery is is on there for last weeks as well even though they're not here we're gonna Chuck those links on every single one so people can get the support uh it would be massively appreciated so also twitch.tv uni every week I'm not sure about next week at the moment I might have a week off because just to have a day of rest and self-care because I should probably practice that being a therapist um we shall see either that or we'll have a short episode like this um you know come check out the podcast the last episode got a ton of good well the last couple but they all could get get good feedback but like comments have been wild uh about what people are thinking you should go and see read some of these comments of people thinking what they think is going to happen when their new expansion ideas predictions uh wants unicorns all that kind of thing you'll influenced a lot of discussions that was very good um but today we're all going to play a new fractal also a big thank you to pinky fluff where a member of our community as well who's coming to join us in this because we don't have a fifth member on the podcast today because boots is having a probably an amazing time on their way to Japan I'm assuming um which did not offer to bring all of us to Japan with him and his wife and I'm kind of offended about this to be honest but it's fine thank you grave okie dokie so on the surf is called right so anyone is there like some little bit of tip bits that we could know before we go that aren't like spoilery for me specifically or is it was there any information they gave us before we went like because I can't remember there's a letter so you should have gotten a letter in your mailbox I've done some off the clock investigating of the entity we encountered in the gyala mines let's just say that's a frustratingly sparse collection of studies on the subject most of which haven't been academically vetted figures that said if you're interested I recommend less conventional methods for finding answers the fractals have no shortage of anomalous activity and while the historical accuracy of these slices of time are inconsistent at best we might make some surprising discoveries in the meantime I'll continue digging through these outmoded Publications best of luck gorick PS you know I prefer comms but Rama wisely suggested that I reacquaint myself with all forms of communication it's important that brim and Scarab will be able to service the broadest possible client base even the technologically challenged very good excellent excellent I'm sorry I don't know how to turn on my iPhone you're sorry you was Sir you want on your iPhone Rook is very good at that oh okay what I like to know is is gorick insinuating that we as the commander are canonically technologically challenged that's rude very rude I'm not I mean maybe not wrong look at my new Apple everyone I mean I'm look I'm an engineer that's also a necro I mean I'm dual class and we're going for it now everyone looks very good that looks wonderful okay also credit to fornax who has leveled a character and like made it very special for our needs today so uh good job wait did I specify that we're actually doing this let's just start randomly doing it and I selected it yeah there we go okay good good ice 25 is the first here okay cool that's good to know Jeff we're gonna play we're just picking any random practical they are playing is that not what you wanted I mean we could do that I think we should go through the fractals at some point and like we're still going for this story we've got a different story first welcome to my fractal tier ranking video from most fun why not you have to let me transfer my actual account over because this character has no way huh like I've got I've got a bit I've got a bit but we'll we'll be fine your prediction is we will die okay thank you I will die because I am notoriously horrific at the gimmick mechanic of this Razzle so I apologize in advance we'll try and get it we'll try and zoom into your failings if that's okay wait we'll find out we will all let Rook take the first jump just getting clips of it almost dying to it oh my God oh my gosh that's really bad I mean yeah it's awesome you're awesome I'm sorry I mean like you know it must have been good to watch I have a gift so let's witness it you are a gift Rick like you you're currently for next sorry I'm going to just change your names right no I want I'm sorry I know you're both amazing but you do deserve to have your correct game should someone come across this podcast I want to know who you are and I suddenly realize that you are not that person um I'm so jebrow okay let's go I don't know if there's audio at the beginning so there might be a little bit of fun time miracles of The Mists don't recognize the exact location go look around oh this is cool this is a cool area how far away are you how far can you get you can fly but survivors take priority I love the environments fractal I will say looks pretty cool oh that's very cool days after day when okay you did say that no we're talking okay so now we're picking up a thing Arthur and gun I guess as we rummage I've never seen that before one is launch a grappling hook to pull yourself in the targeted Direction consumes ammunition Mark Conrad parachute deployed a makeshift oh wow parachute just throw your fall free is black powder charged fire concussive charge to provide an extra boost guaranteed to be 100 safe okay and then five five looks like the skill from the uh that Festival sanctum Sprint yeah yeah yeah that's it when you do the rushy things can I just see what that is I know it's not unless it fires something out and you collector no oh well with this projectile I actually want to um praise the way that this mechanically works it bounces off of walls multiple times oh cool which we sometimes have with combat skills yeah it's like the shield five on necro but I don't know I don't really feel like we see a lot of bouncing projectiles or at least I haven't in a while so I like that no there's only like the Mesmer stuff right version normally just the fun one some pistol stuff one engineer but that's old that's old school so what are the achievements here as well there must be something you have to gather around here surely nah maybe not okay oh there are so there are um lore little like lore tidbits Little Pages and we can try and keep an eye out for them as we go through because I do think they very much enhance the experience and in the final arena there is one on a platform that you need to get before the fight ends um because while there is still a chance that like you can go at the end you won't be able to recharge your gun charges so if you whiff it like I did you'll have to play the correct go back and get the final Lord Okay so um we'll just keep an eye out for it because I think uh the little lore page at the end is really good too so okay [Music] the really cool setting though just to say um I hadn't really thought I mean like you think about the Jade C but I hadn't necessarily thought about what it would be like how terrifying it would be to be out on the open ocean when it struck and just be out there when the ocean itself is so vast that like the amount of supplies the amount of things making land right like it's something where it's not just as easy as you know well if we got stranded out here and literally now our main mode of transportation our ship can't carry us like I had not thought about how terrifying that was and how devastating it would be to so many people especially for like a nation where they're you know like island-based and the ocean is a huge part of their way of life and modes of transportation um so I think the setting of this like right in the wake of it is really a cool point in the story yeah my heart goes out to the skinny dippers in Canada that you know where taking a little swim oh okay this is the first page is it the report and manifest the cargo laid on the board The Vessel the Jade Runner I don't like that name was the ship I like this this looks different to where they the way they set out their pages in this kind of app they put into the game actually it's the cargo manifesting Magic this is the inventory for croft's new Facebook Marketplace oh yeah yeah no incense candles if you're looking to join feel free to I have open applications and then you can ask your friends and really get all your friends and family in on this because we really need to build our Empire and build our own grow bossing um modes of capitalism do they get oh that was cool do they do they get like a certain amount of money off if they usually if they use your link can I get involved in this well you know you just you purchased your inventory for me and then you sell it and you know the people you hire you know they purchase from you you know okay oh shoot oh wow oh wow okay I almost died I've actually probably should talk to Captain first Beth cargo's missing from the hold looks like the crew got into a bad scrap Naga probably the serpent Clan like us I'm not about to abandon The Rook death counter is at one I want everyone to know that I have already died you've already done once here yes what did you do I did not make the initial crap I wanted to see it oh you know I just let it quietly happen I figured there's enough embarrassment in store so oh this is what this is It's a flare I do like the new zipline platform with having a little sale on it oh yeah that's cute these are the old versions they used to have maybe Oh shoot no I like the little parachute but that's obviously from something else anyway we're making good progress God damn I don't have my my weapons ready my mastery it's tail one it's tail on it's fine I've just got PTSD from all the tier fours I've been doing okay I love tier fours but it's terrifying yes yes so the shark here I just have to shout out the shark here um oh gosh I just look at that fake oh my God yeah the environment is so cool in this one and also kind of terrifying because we see all of the creatures like even above him that are frozen solid in the Jade right like preserved as though they were in Amber but like for people who are living creatures that were like partially partially covered in Amber right after it happened I mean okay this is gonna be kind of grisly but like my gosh some parts of this place must have stunk because like add some of these like like as bodies or as people who were like caught in it or animals or organic life or you think about the devastation of the Naga who like mostly live underwater and then surface or live in some like like Shoreline kind of colonies in the time at least they were more at peace with humans like again really kind of stressing because we see it so much later but in the days following the Jade wind that shark made me think about like in a much more visceral way what it must have been like I don't know also it's just huge so there's that too okay so that does look cool yeah that's getting the crap out of me for a second um I'm gonna assume that some of those pages wait are around here somewhere but I'm not gonna go for him um so I'm gonna guess what you have to kind of do uh okay oh wow I did it yeah why am I over there you get over here so fast engineer oh wait was that it is that what I had to do yeah I thought you got it I did the first time I did it correct that one killed me at least like 50 times I'm used to ammunition charges though so I saw the ammunition charges so I would just assumed they were just given to us for a reason I'm just goodbye there is a lore page back here do you want me to read it yeah uh yeah sure oh where is it oh can we go back it's back it's back by where I am so right you made that like we made that huge leap it should reset you yeah yeah if you just if you uh eat yourself it should reset and you should be able to come over here where are you foreign that's so fun I love that that's great I would love to have that mechanic in the in maps and honestly without yeah yeah yeah read it read away I'll put it I'll check it out oh oh I don't care um faded journal page Naga found our camp two nights back gutted some of the crew and made off with most of our food stores before fleeing below Arya recruited a dozen of our most capable to follow the chase below has been treacherous but we were able to scavenge tools and Salvage from the wrecked chips to get by we have to we'll starve otherwise interesting so there's there's this kind of like do you remember what was that it was that movie oh wow I don't know why this is like really awful to mention because it's just that was the idea of that movie about the real thing that happened with the plane that crashed in the snow and they survived and all the counts a little bit more gruesome um but like it was a real thing like it was a real event that actually happened oh oh there we go sorry my brain is like whoa look at these things it's making my head spin Ambush defend yourself oops more Nago I do love banana love seeing them they are super cool they're funny I really love their I really loved their model like upgrade for kantha and end of dragons yes smooth like colorful and uh yeah I agree on them did you fall off I didn't get this beautiful okay Ranger Ranger second and third abilities are now leaps they're just the same leap I don't know why that's a thing but it is did you just jump off wow I'm just slowly falling okay I'm back actually now we're good one thing I really do enjoy is this is the bundle pickups like how you don't have to go back and pick them up I know they didn't they've been there for a little bit but then you can just switch them in and out and I think that came with end of dragons right I did it I can't remember you can just pick it up pick up a gun and then you've always got it just switch out like it's working oh special action yeah yeah yeah which is pretty cool oh Arya I sailed with her some years oh she's dead to her first no she doesn't have a little nap jabro she's a little she doesn't look very comfortable down there just taking a long blink it's okay I love this voice that's going on back okay is there a page here or nothing I don't think there's a page on this okay I'm trying to remember but I don't think so there was going to be some in some fun places I bet okay is this where I die oh no I I'm a random thing okay that's sick whoa oh I'm gonna fall why did I take three shots this Cavern is so cool I love the like Terrors of the like I don't know magical energy through it like like kind of explosive look of the water all around cool oh we can't Glide okay so I was gonna try and glide on that yeah I want to Glide so badly during this fractal yeah oh what the hell is happening oh my God there's a there's a page here there's a page here oh cool cool sure if you want to read it I don't mind if you if you want to read it does anybody else want to read I can read it if I get good wait oh I don't know and proof never made it to them wait I might not be there he's like I am so lost that I will never find you again oh no I'm over by Foreign ax we were goal oriented okay well some of us take forever and we still Oh I thought we were in heads all right all right you can read it yeah sure yeah I got it waterlogged journal page strange things under the sea not just what's Frozen in the stone but the plants the fungus nautis says the nearby wind tunnel exits at a safe location even with an Elementalist of their caliber I have doubts still they've been vital for setting up the zip lines as we continue lower I sense a growing unease among the crew been accused of staring a little too long by odamos and Sentry a couple times maybe we should turn back take our chances walking to the mainland interesting fascinating that the decimation of the looks and people because the luxons were actually a seafaring notion which is why in the original Guild Wars all their kind of land vessels had a nautical feel to them and and they kind of they get they kind of retained that at least the the terminology in their culture which I really liked I failed I'm sorry I'm sorry that was very cool sorry can you repeat that I know I know everyone else heard but I I died or I fell too far or something I don't know so the luck says before the Jade winds were actually a seafaring they they basically the in Inland Sea that is the Jade sea now it was adjusted Inland Sea so they were they were a seafaring nation and when the Jade winds came it kind of it decimated their culture for decades and and until they they basically adapted so that the the the sea that they farmed for fish they they turned into um a mining opportunities for themselves and they kept the nomenclature of the of the um of the the nautical Heritage um right up until present day we opened a portal I think so if you just fall you should be spawned back over here I just want to try and see it all and get there thank you for that as well right yeah I keep forgetting about that oh shoot okay thank you for the heels changed so many things for kantha right and it's that is one thing that I think even from just core end of dragons that we didn't get to see as much of we you know get an echo Vault a lot of the history especially if you do all the bonus stuff in the dungeons uh hold on let him speak first and then I'll continue my nerves yeah if we all like um can slow down a bit as well so I can just like show it extern extreme all the things as well oh okay um no no did you fall no no the guy fell he like just got beaten up the [ __ ] thing oh sorry I didn't mean to swim no well too late I would say is that um we didn't get to see as much of the luxans right um because Dragon although it has some stuff in it it is kind of its own major arc so to get a little something here that like features around the sea and to you know be able to put some more pieces together I think is is cool I was just agreeing with 4X mostly yeah yeah cool absolutely awesome [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] balls I love these mechanics we have to to spread out and it's quite a large area as well so it really forces everyone even on a tier one to interact with mechanic yeah yeah that's good I love that I just like the mechanics on this one in the last one oh God is he he's having a bad day um [Music] he might need some Tylenol yes it's Tylenol yeah I don't know whether I should let you down so got oh oh oh no no you don't die you you don't actually know that's fine that's fine oh there's lots of platforms oh okay this area is um yeah well creepy yeah it's super creepy quickly this is great it goes in my armor as well looks really cool okay I'm gonna talk to the person oh no I can't is he dead we can't begin oh wow that guy looks so good it looks so cool wait who is it oh unknown demon okay oh shoot I've still got my gun on no no I'm dead I'm gonna die no oh no I'm okay what's happening oh yeah that happened to me too okay I keep using the gun all the time I mean it looks pretty awesome assuming that gender completed but like you know uh hmm they look so cool I have no idea who this is Lord video yeah yeah all right concept art what a surprise do I find out after this is an old model yeah okay and I actually really love this mechanic every time you break his brake bar he gains dread Defiance which uh each stack reduces incoming defines damage so the more you actually break him the harder it gets the longer the fight goes so it's a nice way for bosses to resist just like breaking their break bar uh super easily yes thank you yeah which kind of reminds me of like the old Defiance mechanic but not necessarily a little bit different sorry so over there what's that guy doing what's that person down by there he's an ad that will just attack you and the mechanic where you start to run away in fear and get Afflicted with Agony that like I where you have to look away it also is shared on all of the ads around the arena the more it becomes difficult to actually like look into a safe Direction a couple other yeah it was a really big feature on bounties I believe certain bounties had like the paralysis effect where if you looked at them you turned to stone right there was a rain there as well right one maybe maybe not there is one I'm trying to remember who it is but yes [Music] does anyone have the tether uh I don't know if is it me probably who knows oh what's going on the ad tether oh I've got it now oh yeah do I go over there yes you need to Grapple over there and break the break bar over to that guy a person thing yeah okay sure you're gonna wanna okay you got it you got it you're fine you're fine um and it's specific to players so we can't help you um which doesn't kind of hurt if you're playing a Healer belt and you don't have any like CC you're like what do I do then often also I like that as a mechanic that was cool I am we'll talk more about it later what did I find really frustrating is that sometimes the gun kit won't like go away when you click it to go away all right so you'll end up platform like just there I like like was trying to get rid of my gun pack like three times and didn't have it go away and kept trying to hit like to to get rid of it but instead when I try to then do my damage it would just not like the gun kit would still be active and it was like yeah I would pump myself off the arena it's tough because I I like the idea of this kind of unique unique gimmick I guess to some extent but I also find it very disruptive yeah yeah in the in the like navigation of like a fight content um even though I do really like this particular this boss and this encounter I find it to be a real hassle trying I know some people don't have that same difficulty but my one complaint with the actual um special action rifle is I'm someone who plays with key presses and when you are using your own weapon you can press your special selection key to summon the rifle but once you're in the rifle you can't press the same special action key to go back to your weapons you have to then do a weapon swap so it's just like that little element of um that's a good point not because it's as smooth as it has been in previous you know special action kits that you have so for me I was like I was trying to swap back when I was first doing this fractal trying to swap back to my weapon pressing the special action key thinking it would swap me back to my weapon and it just I was like oh maybe that's getting me yeah because of you that might be it because I keep thinking it's gone and then I'm like I'll hit my button and it'll just punt me off the edge and I'm like why is the gun still here does the gun do any damage actually I'm just gonna say oh it does it does decent no it doesn't it of course it doesn't I'm just shooting the flipping Harpoon Gun in the ground that's funny you know do you know who this is now uh oh connect side there you go hey he's sick so you were right then he has a really interesting piece of dialogue um just to point out in case you missed it where he says I don't often mingle with prey but you've earned an introduction I am canoxide Scythe of house orcus bringer of nightmares and yours it's just beginning I'm really excited about because it's the first time that we've had at least as far as I know and we everybody else can confirm it's the first time that we've had like real delineation of something like a demonic hierarchy or like nobility nobility houses or you know some kind of like organized greater societal structure or like ranking of hierarchy for demons which is really interesting that's really intriguing me like just from the lore element when he revealed that I was like oh so this is like this is where was one I'm part of this is something bigger than just me being a demon doing my own stuff this is definitely expansion related then you've yeah as well for sure yeah right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah in this phase two when if if and when you go out to the edge of these little platforms um look for the one that has the there's like a little lore scroll on one and that's the additional lore in this final part of the fight serve D okay oh what's up here it's over here it's by Foreign X oh God oh God oh son of a oh same uh you have to go you have to like way over extend the grapple hook I don't know if that was just me or if I just like wait where do I go we're over uh Ford X and I are on a platform where the lore bit is if you want it okay I'll have to can we do it yet can I do it at the end the one thing about doing it at the end is that at least when I was doing it I could not anyway to refresh my gun so if you don't have enough grapples left you won't be able to get to the platform that has the I don't have any grapples I kind of wish that these were just jumping mushrooms me too me too I think the gun during the platforming part is fun and it's flavorful but I think In the Heat of a combat situation especially at higher tiers I think um it would of course require a little bit more Mastery but even then even if I was like I got everything done Pat I don't know if this would be like the most fun thing to interact with you know mid-fight yeah I guess it's the whole making sure you don't use them up right and like it's another resource that you have to manage but not really that yeah it's like but if the resource that you already have to manage is your cooldowns in terms of when to break bars on canxide and then also the ads during phase changes sometimes I feel like bad is enough even depending on like the build that you're playing because some builds won't have any CC effect higher levels is is any of this reflect by and it was doing like a spinny attack thing magic I was wondering like if that was like a reflect or something they did maybe I think it just gets harder there are more ads that Spawn from the start and I think more as you can see when he reveals who he is he starts to throw out these axes more axes Target more players so you have to be really smart at where you're placing them I do really like the indicators that they used for the um like take this out and drop it away from the group kind of thing they mark it in this fight a little bit differently where the like persistent Arena effect you're about to drop has this kind of like spinning red Aero bordery sort of thing around it and it was the first time I could remember seeing that specific marker but I thought it was really effective I don't know if maybe it has don't remember but um the idea of like players having to direct these bait them drop them and then like having that visual indicator that it's going to leave some kind of persistent effect these spinning axes in its wake I thought was really effective next what was uh the NPC doing there came up when he was like channeling something to some ad the enemy no our our friendly empathy it was like a spirit or a ghost or something you see him there he is now what's he doing are we sure are we on the face change now are we on the oh I'm gonna die what's he doing there is he just like helping us or something I gotta just oh like the light orbs yeah well I think those are just more like area attacks I yeah there are some all right I still don't really know what that does I wonder okay now if you just Target what if in the CM the whole arena is Pitch Black and you have to put those light orbs down in order to even see what's happening I was wondering what those were for yeah because I was wondering that too because you don't need them for the vast majority of the rest of the dungeon so I wonder oh and I got an achievement too um let me see if I can go get this lore snippet to read for you I've got to I've got two charges okay if I jump off where is it which one is it on which one is it on it's a little scroll at the edge I don't have any charges anyone to Messenger oh it's here with me it's here it's on this one okay I can't get over there ah I'm sorry yeah you can look it under him oh wait no oh no I got over there I landed on the bouncing mushroom and it took me back oh nice wait you got that I've gone there because I had two charges in my explosion explosive launch left I got there I landed on the mushroom and it tossed me back to me I have undershot the platform a hundred times that's why I had to rerun it the first time that I did it because I literally had no way to get back to the lore no can't even take the portal back up to recharge I'm sorry do you want to read do you want there is a pole here you get there you can interact with it there we go do it do you want to read it yeah pink fluff you came in clutch thank you so much that's a good point um orbs also allow you to get more charges on your heart if you mess up oh wait never mind oh skill five ignore me never mind I thought I was like chat has it that I didn't pick up on and then I went oh wait um sure do you want me to read it whoever wants to read it can read it yes does anybody else want to crew uh sure I haven't read this sure um [Laughter] writing is erratic frenzied blood silence and regret I still feel regret I watch the spark of Life leave not to notice his eyes before ruling them and the others into the abyss below where my new masterweights defines welled up inside me a few tears one last gasp of air but it's done I remember his fanged smile before he returned me to my Slumber the night before last my bloody daggers hidden where my walk waking self would not find them Century morago odamos they served Arya well now they'll serve him too soon I'll join them in the ravaging nightmare Where I Belong my regret my fear my rage they belong to him now oh man this is cool I don't know there's just always the there's always the fame to go to the next page they bite you so hard in this game with that they're just like every single time it's like there is enough as far as I have read it and you can all tell me if your your thoughts are different is that Commander theft like part of the reason why earlier in one of them he says that everybody's on edge they keep saying that I'm looking at them a little too long it's because he's been corrupted by kennexi and he has been killing the crewmates one by one but he doesn't remember it because he does it while he's sleeping and so I don't know like when he kind of throws himself off here at the end I don't know if it is like his last final attempt at liberating himself from the control he's leading another victim down like the dialogue we get earlier on where it says like you found another one the hunt continues kind of thing um I'm not sure if he like throws himself off there at the end because he doesn't want to sacrifice another unwilling victim and some part conscious recognizes that or what um I don't know it's all really interesting it's terrifying Ambiance of this fractal is fantastic and the fact that you know you think you're going with him to kind of figure out what happened but then at the end you realize that he's what happened to the crew and that it has this demonic this demonic twist to it I thought was really chilling and good this is it has a great horror Vibe sorry yeah this is the type of as foreign accent horror Direction I'm excited to see in secrets of the Obscure just with more demonic forces that manipulate and slowly lead people down darker paths and then just do like really horrific stuff and like take such joy in it I love it that's what I want that's what I want that's what I want from this expansion real like just I want the darker side of Guild Wars 2 I really I really need that like in my life and I actually think that was that boss looked very cool I looked it looked very good I like that the fight was caused well in that tier as well it doesn't feel like you have to really think about it too much but like you can imagine it being more difficult for sure um tier four you definitely have to stay on your A game because many of his area attacks and if you don't successfully do that phase where the ads are on the platforms he will do like a larger attack that will knock everyone off and kill them so it is it ends up being very punishing so tier four was very very fun and I was playing on a character where I didn't have enough AR and I feel like I'm so sorry to my group I was a little under but then I just swapped to a Healer and I had enough and that's why fractals and acne resistance are sometimes a bit of a headache for me for me but yeah not massive fan like they I think a compound AR is definitely I mean maybe we can have that because it wasn't it didn't take too long maybe we can have a little bit of an extended fractal chat I think um but not we won't like go mega long into that but also we want to talk about how we felt about the fracture in general uh I will I'll give my first impressions practical review portion starts now thank you for chapter this is a chapter in the YouTube video because uh that's actually really helpful if anyone ever wants to do that because when I go through chapters I pretty much just have to listen to the entire thing and then just to go through chapters and sometimes go for it and be like right Chris said a funny thing say something there and now you can just someone did something I'll help you there we go there you go oh my God perfect um Okay so uh I wanna hang out I guess here while we're here anyway and just just talk about it so oh there's another shark down there there is oh my God what is there anything we were talking to when I first ran as I was talking with my chat about the fact that I mean deep sea is one terrifying but but um also the fact that the Leviathan that we see in game is a juvenile Leviathan and then we had the whole thought of like just how big because I think we've seen possibly some remains that might be like on par with the scale of a fully grown biofin but like when you see these huge shark things down here and you think about the scale and scope of fantasy um within Guild Wars 2 it's like like I immediately get really sweaty and really scared what but in like a good way but also in a bad way but in a I'm just trying to see I do like the idea of these flares though because it makes you give it gives you the idea of like unexploredness like you know there's a makes me think about um The Rock Galactic which is a really awesome game how's dwarf's name as well no surprise there why it's amazing and you just throw flares out to explore and these in this like alien kind of world that you're Mining and stuff and it reminds me of that and just like exploring and that you're kind of looking into this new place that just no one's really ever been before and there's like spikes and stuff down there hey what is that what's what it's like these spikes coming out of something which is kind of on the floor or is it just like a it's interesting oh I just seem to have looks like um oh I don't know what that is it look like a creature or something or is it just like the girl it looks like something it you know what it kind of looks like like a really upscaled model of like a risen Drake like the spine it reminds me of the um you know in the cavern in Gala delve where those weird tentacle faces are yeah yeah yeah kind of reminds me of their weird creepy moths there's a lot of strange sort of pseudo-organic material in here I was just noticing this um and I'm gonna hate myself it but I was just noticing this pulsing pustule that's like up up on the ceiling like if you look at it it almost like it like wiggles or like seems like it has almost kind of oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they were gross so I do Wonder like are they like you know devouring or consuming whatever life is other things or other creatures or like are these remnants of life that destroyed or like are rotting down here I mean we see those weird tentacles that are feasting on the Ley lines in gyala delve so it seems like there are not like natural to the sea things that are in here or like forming right yeah look at this thing down here this is like more of it this is like it looks like a claw like it looks like a big claw or something I need to know Ken or whoever is in the chat please is this a thing I need to know it looks like a demon it does it looks like a foot or an arm or a hand or something it probably is nothing like you're right like it looks like comes some demonic formation of something I mean I don't know if it's nothing what was the gasp when I help myself off it's fine I'm fine it was yes oh I see cancer is it's just spoop stuff spooky it's just spooky it definitely has that line of like this is the Jade scene many times underneath large bodies of water there's always that sense of mystery of like what is down there and it really allows like the freedom of imagination in terms of just the assets that could be placed here and just like go go crazy with it go a little horrific with it I love it look at that I mean I also love the sorry go ahead for next go ahead I was gonna get nerdy I will say that if you actually look and take an interest in life at the bottom of our oceans the small amount that we have actually explode there are some extraordinarily strange looking creatures and some nightmarish looking creatures and a lot of bioluminescence as well which I think that the team that took a a lot of inspiration for for the kind of the lighting here um it does have that phosphorescent Biola certain kind of feel to it which just adds to the kind of the the the Eerie unearthliness of the place which I really love I love that attention to detail yeah I really really love that there are Vines protruding out of this poor shark's mouth yeah wow mom's got like a something going through its mouth as well and I don't like her yeah there's some gnarly there's some gnarly stuff down here some gnarly spoop stuff for sure well yeah it looks like almost it looks like you know some of this yeah some of this stuff has been pushed through them when they've been killed like you know there's these like man that's kind of gruesome this could this is kind of dark Ken this is good I mean we are having our horror our horror sort of uh era yeah um I do really like and I wanted to mention too because I think the writing in this one is so fantastic um the lines that we have from canaxai where he says um the timing of my return was fortuitous to behold such Bounty the anguish of thousands served to me on the Winds of a Madman whale so I don't know what all of our theories are but it is very interesting there's been a lot of discussions about like why now like is it like why would Cryptids be trying to now is it because the the draconic cycle is over um do we from this Glimpse think that the Awakening of this faction um had to do with something with this Mass event of Anguish and that the perhaps like anguish perpetuated through the destruction of the Dragons only them stronger is it like there's a lot of interesting things with that and connect site does not die here which I was curious to hear all of your thoughts on it do we think that like narratively timeline wise that's because he shows up in Guild Wars one right like because you defeat him I I didn't play this content so I'm really sure but my understanding you defeated him in something sort of pseudo like a raid right and I don't know if it's believed that you've killed him killed him there or if this is meant to be a bit of an allusion to him be kind of player in what's to come for secrets of the obscure I I can answer that if if nobody else wants to so um so this this this is the moment after um the Jade wins after the the the the the the the Harvest Festival the blessing of Dwayne is corrupted um and um the the the oceans have just been turned so that that is like a a pivotal moment and it the amount of energy put into the system were released in this capacity um people think that it kind of weak weakened the the the the barrier between um between Realms between missed Realms um so in terms of canucksai so when you fight him in the deeps he has different aspects of himself and you and you have to defeat all those different aspects so canonically we're encountering canaxide before the people who played the original gamer in encountering him he goes back when the luxons have recovered when they're mining the Jade that who and they encounter him in the deeps and you have this exact same thing happening and the same thing that was happening Gayle adults which is why it was so kind of obvious for anyone who'd like played the original game to see what was happening because it's a slow kind of withering Madness and the and the the trigger is proximity and the deeper and it's a it's a I think it's a metaphor the deeper you delve um the worst matters get the more you you look into the evil the more it consumes you um and I think there's a like a a an analogy to the Lord of the Rings with the minds of Mori the the dwarves delved too deeply into greedily and they are Wows to something it was a balrog in in The Lord of the Rings it's canaxai in the Guild Wars universe and we don't know if we killed canucksite we killed many aspects of him um but he is he is one of the army of of Darkness he is allied with doom he was Allied with Abaddon he was Allied with Menzies he he um he is kind of he's a Harbinger a bringer of of Ruin and Corruption and he feeds on the suffering and personally why I think that it's happening now is not necessarily because our internal cycle has been disrupted but I think because um Crow katorek went on his Rampage through the Miss and a destabilize not only our realm but countless Realms and the Guardians at the gate the spoiler alert the the astral Ward the Wizards Council the the Guardians I think that the human Gods placed on the gate to protect us to protect the humans that they'd rescued from their home World from whatever was trying to get them there um and fleeing to this world the Guardians on the gate that their their job that has been disrupted the protections have been disrupted because of what he did and so now this is we're reaping the consequences of crowdkatorics insanity and destruction that's my thoughts yeah very good yeah this is just everyone like people in chat like excited about hearing all this stuff I'm I'm like really I'm like law wise I'm just learning everything now because it was just the reason I started playing this game was PVP and that's all I cared about and now I'm like relearning all the law especially for all of your life from being your various passions and informations and all the things about it like it's been informations uh um so yeah it's really really awesome to hear good stuff okay Ken said something the original shipwreck crew Arya dollars not not not notice yeah no like Nautilus uh we're like a first Contact yeah exactly yeah yeah okay I love that yeah because like when you start at the beginning you do get that idea of just like there is nothing else around like there's just this broken ship which is Shipwrecked and you go and find these people and it's it reminds me of like almost an alien kind of the movie like you know when you go and find these things and there's demons and you wake them up kind of thing not really the exactly the same but it just gave me that alien kind of vibe but um that's part of the horror that I think was so effective and attractive for me because like I said when we were first getting into it I hadn't really considered how scary it would be to be stranded out on the ocean and honestly I don't think you're that far off Deborah right because there are so many stories about being stranded in deep space right the idea of being in a place where there is in essence like nothing and having no idea how you're gonna get back to a point of contact where there is civilization or people or resources or the familiar so I think it carries a lot of narrative parallels with that and when you think about how vast the ocean is when you think about even ridiculously in recent times the submarine and everything that happened but the com like the conversations that that brought up about how long it even took to find the Titanic initially right how long it takes to find anything in the ocean because we think with play Lanes with boats with everything that oh yeah like it's you cross the ocean we fly overseas sure it takes a while but our world feels perhaps small to us in some way but like when you are out in a place like that and when this kind of terrible event happens these Crews or people that were on ships or like for next was talking about right with the luxons who had so much of their civilization tied to the waters or you know tied to this way of life and then suddenly the one mode of transportation that you had like planned your journey around you knew how many supplies you needed you knew it was going to get you from point A to point B roughly an x amount of time suddenly that is completely useless to you you have no land transportation you have no mode other than walking so like when you get that journal entry where they're talking about do we risk going down and hope that maybe we find some kind of exit or even perhaps we find those sharks that are half exposed in the Jade and we manage to Chisel some meat off of them or something to try and eat or we because like they couldn't even fish so when their supplies get stolen by the Naga like you can't fish there are no other plants there's nothing you can forage there's no life that was in this radius that yes yeah you're like in a desert basically and the scale of that is terrifying I I think the setting of this was so cool because like I had not thought about the that perspective or what it would be like kind of similar to what you were saying to be stranded in space or to be lost in the unknowable to be lost in a place you thought you knew how to navigate but that like now suddenly you're having to make decisions do we go down or do we just try to go as far as we can before we just die of starvation or dehydration um it's it's really fascinating I I that's probably the thing that I love the most about this fractal I really love the setting I love the writing I love the storytelling um good well let's tell why people loved uh factions can't you for the for the for the setting of it it's amazing I think that that's the untold kind of tragedy of the Jade winds because it not only it decimated the ocean so the luxon the fish they the people were starving the luxons were starving but the cursics are starving because it decimated and petrified the forest which put a massive pressure you had massive influx of survivors into the city into the Imperial City and the places that weren't touched um like a shinjay that that put a huge amount of pressure um and that caused a lot of the interracial conflict with the Tengu there as well as everyone's fighting over resources because there's a whole nation starving because the forest has been decimated and they can't fish and they can't and they can't fish from the ocean and it's yeah it's it's it's really it's so grounded in kind of really pertinent things I I love the fact that it's really grounded in the The Bare Bones realities of survival as a as a species um it's super interesting and a brave topic so Okay so we've heard we've had any any let's let's start with the good let's start with the good then Brooks kind of said they're they're good stuff you can obviously add if you want to I'll add some good stuff I kind of I know that the Harpoon Gun thing is like you know there's Summers may not enjoy that as much um I actually kind of really did enjoy that but I think as a way of getting from place to place if you think about how many encounters there are actually in the fractal and how much you're actually doing combat wise and as a character it's not too much you're kind of just going from one area to another which is kind of you know the same for a lot of fractals as well honestly but like I kind of like that idea it did give me that sense of exploration and wonder that I do like to have from an MMO I guess just in the world but just the idea that no one else else has really been there before I kind of like that that flare gut part of the gun is really a cool addition like I really like that we haven't really seen that before um other than there are some darker places I think you know in some maps um dry top reminds me of that where you can you know use some abilities to give some light to the air different areas sort of like in the caverns and stuff which makes you feel like you're kind of exploring a place for the first time I like that feel for sure I like you know the areas the cavern and the mix of Paws some of the storyline those little bits and Bobs we're finding where we're reading about what happened to the previous people who were there love that um the kind of horror atmosphere that's in there you know we're talking about Eldridge we're talking about just the creepiness I guess as well is pretty cool um the boss mechanics seemed very seemed fun and I was fairly engaged um will I go back and play this though many times over for different reasons not massively into fractal so I probably won't um but you know I'll probably go and try it on a harder mode um is it a little bit of soaring and when you kind of where you're going I agree that it is diffic a little bit difficult to maybe see where you're going the first time but I noticed when I died the first time or fell it was a red arrow pointing me where to go so that was good I feel like you know so it didn't make it less confusing um when I did fall down I think it's just kind of fun what I think they could have done was to have very secret areas in there so that you used it more so it was more a feature of the fractal and you could just get to places and get like a little tricky armor skin or something by collecting different coins or something that just randomly fell down I don't know like using that gun to like just do little mini jumping puzzle around there I feel like they could have used it a little bit more there um yeah I kind of just enjoyed it was it was okay like you know it wasn't it wasn't like ah this is mind-blowing and everything but like you know there was there was the theme and an idea of the future I think and I think that's what it gives me it gives me an idea of the potential Story the potential themes and areas we may encounter in in the future and how they're creating a very different idea of I don't know the world of just their storytelling and everything and so I think he gives me some good ideas of the future in the future hopefully I don't know does that make sense my wife would have been yeah but like yeah I like I like the direction it's going um I don't know yeah let's say group in fortnite what were some of the things that you liked from the fractal or some of the positives my favorite element of the fractal has most of my favorite elements of any game for this one in particular was the boss fight and the mechanics that the boss fight held I think the arena was so great it looked beautiful it really set this stage um but then when we got to fight Connex I um actual mechanics were interesting I think the use of looking away could have been Bland but I like that they've spiced it up with that mechanic reflecting with the other ads in the arena if it was just one uh one Central Point it'd be too easy but as you grow in the tears more of them spawn more frequently so you begin to wonder like oh wait this this place that I looked at was safe and then the face changes and all of a sudden it's no longer safe and you're just like okay I have to really be specific and it can catch you off guard at times I also really enjoy his his Dash mechanic when you all have to spread out and he starts to whirl in an area you can dodge it but it's not just one single attack you have to really stay out of it and if you get caught in his path you're also struck so in in terms of needing to understand the arena and where everyone is at it definitely makes you more interested in as to what your allies are doing and not just what I'm doing in the fight so I really appreciate that um the phase change when you're going off to the other platforms and interacting with the actual grappling hook I think there could have been something there would I have necessarily gone with that route maybe not I think when you're in the heat of combat sometimes it's a bit better to to not add a whole nother tool kit that you have to then interact with um especially when it is on a limited resource um but I guess for challenging content challenge modes that could be an interesting idea um I'm a little half and half on that so did I hate it no did I love it not necessarily it was you know it was interesting for what the fractal is [Music] um and yeah I think just the fight uh in general was really really strong really well done cool Jordan X uh um so otherwise I love I love the law um I I loved the depth of the fact I felt like we were going down into the battles of the Earth so I liked that thematically um the environments are always just beautiful I have never ever had any kind of fault with any of the environments that we've ever had that the fortune Fortune to like interact with they're always a just another character in the story they always enrich the experience and they don't fall necessarily into that a lot of older games or traditional MMOs they have miserable Stark environments you know deserts and and and we get to to have these incredible Adventures terrifying adventures and yet in these extraordinary beautiful inspiring environments even if they they tend towards a little bit of a creepy side in this time so I really like that um in terms of um the the mechanics of it um I mean things are always a bit complicated and a bit bamboozling when you first interact with them so yeah [Music] um would would I like to see this interesting traversal brought into a map I mean that might be fun that might be fun to have like the lower levels where you have to use this kind of thing because there was enough updraft to use your glider and you actually have to take so would that be interesting yeah do I think we're going to get that with the upcoming expansion no I think they're definitely going to be taking advantage of the sky scale and we're going to have a huge amount of interesting fantastic mechanics with that but you never know because we're slipping into the Mr arms so yeah um as a Healer what do I think um I don't know how the inter so I I was jury tailing now I've gone over onto my my guardian I don't know whether there's any kind of quirkiness when um using um the The Druids Avatar form because that can Fork up a lot of mechanics like for example if you're at the at the Jade mall and if you're in your avatar form you cannot interact with with and pick up the stones that you have to you have to drop your avatar form it can so that kind of thing I think that's a bit I think it would be nice if they looked at Wendy they have specific forms or characters for example it's it's like when you're um in your necromantic form in you've got your big Scythe on it kicks you out of doing a lot of things so I think that especially for like new plays coming into it I think that that can be a bit of a why am I dead on the floor why didn't I wasn't I be able to interact with this thing what is happening um but no I thought it was great I liked the fact that we're still using jumping mushrooms after all this time I like the fact that we're traversing across on pre-jaid bot zip lines which is great to see that this isn't this was like a consistent evolution of the technology um canucksai well who doesn't like being right I mean why were you right because you did it in the video so when we got guyella dolls I completely predict canaxai immediately it's like the madness they're delving in too deep Canucks eye from the deeps and it I mean to be fair to to everybody not a super gigantic leap you know it's not it's not it's not I'm going to give you it as well I'm going to title this podcast four Naturals rights oh dear um things that I oh dear uh things that I I didn't enjoy I don't know I mean so here's the problem for me I play it depends what you play for so um fractal Runners wanna be in and they want to be out and they want to be done two minutes flat okay I I'm I'm learning this now as my friend who is a CM Runner is taking me through tier four fractals and he's holding my hand through this and people not fussing on must we're gonna do this skip we're gonna do that skip we're gonna and they just wanna do it do it do it they're not interested in the story um and and that means that for someone like me yeah I I really like that and it can be fun and it can be fun you learning all these different skips and different things and it's amazing but also I'd like the opportunity to play the story which is why I kind of miss the old traditional dungeons because you can really like have a story playing through like you like you do with the different lines and different and different paths the old dungeons that we had and you can really explore many different elements there could have been several if if this was a traditional dungeon it could have been split into several paths where we got to see the fates of the other people we could have seen him falling into madness as he took out his friends and then we follow him into the into the darkness to Canucks eye and that kind of thing but it's yeah the devs have to serve two masters they have to serve the story yeah and they have to serve the gameplay and when they privilege gameplay I can't really fault them because I mean okay this is maybe not to if you if there's more you want to argue no no no no no no 1v1 PVP Arena I'll commentate let's go argue that I don't even feel like this fractal for as much as I really enjoy a lot of part of it so let me please preface this because I'm about to get a little critique but I want to be honest with everybody and that I'm very excited I liked what this Herald that I liked the tone I liked the story but this is perhaps my greatest critique of the fractal um which is that I don't even know if I necessarily feel like the fractal does serve gameplay because the amount of gameplay that we do in it is very small compared like compared to the entire fractal itself right um I I will be honest with everybody coming into it the second time I do I did feel much better about it I didn't die as much as I did the first time um I had a horrific experience with this fractal the first time I did it because I found that gun and this again is not the case for everybody and I was streaming and I was trying to have people and try to figure out this gun and so that makes it much more difficult for me usually than it does for people just going through um but I found the gun to be so distracting and so infuriating because like I wasn't sure I I was like trying to Target the grapple but it kind of undershoots you so I wasn't going far enough and then I was trying to figure out how to dovetail the ability and then because we have something like the glider that exists in the game and because with gliding you are often energy where you are popping it stopping it popping it stopping it and then when you get like close you might um or you know you're using is anyone else using real career at times oh yeah sorry I'll I don't know what's going on it might be a Discord like getting your in getting your voice to voice me I think yeah oh I don't know activation get nothing personal on that night yeah yeah as if you could taste it sorry about that um uh but yeah like there for me it was frustrating because I'm so used to using things like my glider where you don't like you know you're conserving whatever resource means so it was hard for me with the parachute because I would compulsively stop it when I didn't need it in a descent and then I'd try to use it again at the end and then I'd be out of charges and then I'd be dead and I'd be reset again and set again and reset again and I didn't know like I I just found it so frustrating and to me if you're doing something like PVE content if I'm going in for instance PVE combat content generally is how I codify fractals but of course there are more definitions within that what I want to be doing is combat in PVE and not like a gimmick with a gun thing and a platforming challenge and that's not to say that you can't incorporate components of that into it but for the conversation following sunqua Peak where they were saying we want to focus on gameplay as opposed to the more narrative or Ambiance I actually thought that this was far less gameplay you have like a couple small mobs that don't have anything really unique to them you have a couple little things with that where you just kind of burn them then you have the um but the uh pre-boss and then the boss themself and I like those last two fights a lot but personally I felt that suncoa for me as a fractal delivered more gameplay because having to navigate the various areas while mobs having to avoid the water stuff the different bosses that each had really unique and memorable mechanics to me I felt like this fractal almost more felt like it relied on the Crux of ambiance's narrative then it did feel like instanced dungeon parallel content to me and there's been a lot of conversation since then about well Yammer things are you going to be able to skip the whole platforming part or not and I I don't know it wasn't as bad the second time around but the first time around I found the gun so frustrating to use that I just was like I may never do this fractal again because I I really found it unpleasant and I hate to say that I loved a lot of things about the ninja and I heard the fractal and I really loved a lot setting in the story but um I don't ever love when I'm coming into content to like Focus application or my class or focus on my gameplay experience and then something else is thrown at me that I feel like I have to scratch that makes me feel like I'm you know being set back in some way with like my understanding of things when I'm coming in to engage with something to show that I can't push my buttons it was like not not even like a sweaty way you know what I mean but just to just be like I got this this is what I'm used to this is what I like expect to play and do you think I mean this and this is like a like a content creator kind of thing as well and and in that situation when maybe it feels frustrating to be seen to not be able to do something as well D is that something that came up for you when you were streaming it like you know there's that difficult I mean I know when when I'm doing that on stream it definitely is more frustrating when I'm visibly annoying able to do the things which everyone don't admit too much about that how many often that happens because I know that's every street it does make it does add that extra level of frustration for sure for me and I think when when you went in I think also like because I kind of enjoyed the gun like there's that enjoyment but I'm used to that kind of mechanic in also an ESO that mechanic is using a few Dungeons and areas as well in in maps and I was like kind of used to it but then I kept dying when like you said with the parachute thing I think there was that inconsistency of that and the charges and also the weapon swap that crew said um that needs to change for sure so I was like I was just wondering like what is it is it like uh is do you think the streaming experience added to that frustration or do you think it was I mean yeah for sure for sure it's embarrassing and it's it's also frustrating and I encourage anybody who's oftentimes watching a streamer too that like saying things in chat like well it's it's just really easy or it's so obvious that you need to use x y or Z when it's somebody's first time coming in it adds to that frustration you don't [ __ ] do it Tomb Raider trying to figure out a puzzle yeah you know hitting it you know too much then you'd have enough charges and you're like cool thank you so much for the very unhelpful game yeah that's why how do I do it I say that I'm just like can you shut up and stop being a dick I'm just trying to do this and I'm failing like just enjoy the pain with all the with all the love in my heart because it is embarrassing and it is frustrating as it does and it does compound um in a lot of ways but I do also think that it brings up a good point because I I think that looking at the goal of content is also important and why we might choose to engage with a piece of content right so for me if I'm going to do a fractal generally what I want from them is I I like the story in Lauren context I I actually think that's great but like of course I'm not going into it primarily to have like a a lore to her right like I'm not going into it like I'm gonna walk around I'm gonna put my RP walk on and nothing's gonna happen usually why I'm choosing to engage with fractals is because I want instant PVE content and generally because now that we have strike Mission which are in and of themselves the way they've kind of defined themselves usually a fight with boss Focus though there may be phases there may be other things right so this does create a new interesting question for fractals that in the past fractals had to serve as many things because we didn't always have as much of an array of content right so a fractal could be a single boss a fractal could be of what we would consider to be more like instance Dungeons and MMOs but now that we have strikes and that strikes and fractals are be being delineated as two different types of content it does bring up a question for us as players about how do we Define fractals and for me personally this is not for everybody right and there are many ways to interpret this but my answer to that is that I do desperately want something like instant dungeon content in the game and I want something that even is going to be doesn't have to be perfectly like other MMOs I think you still have layers of interest that Gilbert's 2 offers but I want there to be a focus on something that is a slightly longer form journey in the sense of mobs bosses trap like I want it to be not just the one fight in the one Arena I want it to have a bit more stage and a bit more of the you know flow between different groups between it um and I want it to be something that's almost closer to that kind of more traditional MMO dungeon instanced content um so for me I think that like something like this gun and the jump puzzle and all that stuff would have worked brilliantly for me in an open world setting in a story setting in an exploratory setting right but it felt odd to me within the fractal to have so much emphasis for like 75 of the fractal when I was like what I'm doing when I want to engage with to have an option in this game for Content that is instance PVE combat content um and so yeah I think that's just why it didn't resonate as much with me personally so yeah mine are mine uh mine own um critiques are very similar to yours for me this felt like a 90 jumping puzzle 10 combat And in regards to the speed at which Dungeons and fractals can be completed this one uh feels even more confusing because it's not something where players of their own agency can control based off of like super speed swiftness uh jumping mechanics this really is just dependent on you going through zipline animations um bouncing mushrooms and other tunnels that you can't really control yes in its totality it is shorter but it it feels to me more of like an exploration instance rather than like something like a fractal and another element that compounds that a little bit even more is the fact that there really was just like only one boss to the point where I feel like this maybe would have been better for me I would have responded a bit better if this was instead of strike Mission because the entire Arena and the setting was fantastic in it was fantastic enough just for that Arena I got all the story uh of course didn't have the the rest of the notes but I mimic a lot of what uh Rook has said in regards to the experience of a fractal versus a strike Mission so maybe I would have enjoyed like the first boss being like the main Naga Chief who was raiding um the ship and then you go a bit deeper and then you have to fight one of the um first crew members who passed away and who perished there which I think you do right before you fight kanak's eye so I really appreciated that and it taught more mechanics in regards to the fight so there's always that that through line of slowly teaching you the mechanics to the very uh end boss site which I think they still did and did it really well um but yeah yeah it just I I actually preferred Sun quas length and overall format of bosses as opposed to this one um and yeah coming from a streamer perspective for me it's not really about failure it's about delivering something that is visually exciting and captivating for the audience and even as someone who does YouTube you always want to have background footage that is visually captivating and exciting when I'm editing something and I'm lingering on a shot I'm like well nothing's really happening here so you know I'll go to another shot that has a little bit more visual substance and for this fractal it felt like there wasn't necessarily A a great balance of visual substance because it felt like most of the time you were just traveling to your next location to fight a mini event for a brief amount of time so okay so I guess in a way then I'm thinking I wonder if this has got something to do with their new Cadence of release of fractal as well and strong missions because if you think about if you go back and check the wiki for how long it took them to release fractals you know there was a good chunk of time in between in between some of them and we're talking about years and years and the production level and the amount of effort it takes to make these things is you know it's large you're basically creating a new biome a new area for telling its own story specifically as well which you don't necessarily have to know everything about the game so it's so it is complicated so it's I wonder if that will be the more typical experience we have for fractals going forward and because of the amount of time they have in production also you could counter that with the fact that they are taking feedback but it doesn't seem like from what you're saying that has been totally taken in in terms of gameplay even though that's what even if it wasn't like three to four bosses even if it was just the two that we had which was I think like nolis or that one the member who died and then canxi I think the my issue was that they were positioned right after each other it went from fight nolas to directly fighting Comics I yeah I think if we thought the first mini boss towards the middle of it like you go through the very first part of your traversal experience you stop at the platform then fight it then do your next platforming part which then leads you to connexai I think if it was just spaced out a bit better it wouldn't have felt like oh it's 90 jumping puzzle yeah 10 at the very end you finally fight something so you want a mini so you basically want everyone wants the idea of a mini dungeon basically with ads in between with some kind of you know fun mechanics which they've done in other fractals but like rather than just boss boss at the end while you also try and are they trying to really mix in a lot more law with the gameplay like I mean I'm just kind of being curious about this really it's just an interesting way of thinking about because I really miss dungeons I just [ __ ] love them I think they were great like they were so good they were long but they were awesome end game content and like I really love them I really enjoyed them and I I think I would actually prefer I'm gonna get roasted in the comments for this I think I would rather prefer like one dungeon like every year or like something like that like just continuing them and making them shorter rather than fractals but that's just like a personal thing it won't happen because that's not the way they're going forward but it's just I just love the dungeons remembering like launch well I don't think it would be such a thing if fractals were closer to like a scaled down dungeon yeah like true you know what I like I mean I I think that like saying I would rather have one dungeon a year versus fractals dungeons at least if we're looking at them traditionally from the core game right they are like I don't I don't know the exact percentage but they're like 10 times as much work so even if like it feels like yeah yeah like well because you have multiple Wings you have all of the story you're essentially making like five fractals in one right or something like that so it's it's something where if I think that if creating fractals on a yearly like a single fractal on a year it's like you were bringing up Jeb if that is something that is adding multiple bosses and multiple trash packs and everything like that within them it's something outside of the scope of what they are able to do um like you were kind of implying a little bit that like maybe with this new Pace um we're just gonna have to see fractals get shortened because of the fact that they're coming out more regularly um I think there'd be no way possible at all that they could ever do a dungeon instead of fractals if that were the case if that were the case I don't necessarily think that is the case I think the at least the impression I get is that there's a desire to to and and they've talked a lot about this and I am really excited about um to keep an eye on the balance of content that they have available in the game including things like instanced PVE content and while we have no confirmation of things like returning fractals are something that again gives us a slightly longer form in some way instant content than just one single boss theoretically um so it's kind of putting fractals in an interesting place in that um I think they do have to differentiate themselves from strikes and I do think that some of the ways you can do that is like Griff was saying right where you have multiple bosses you paste it out of the journey or the focus on combat or the whatever it is I how I want to answer um we don't know for sure and um I think the definition of what fractals are has been very ambiguous for a long time because at the time they have as sort of multi-purpose thing that we get sometimes in place of other instance PVE content so yeah what are you gonna say if I didn't mean to cut you off oh I honestly I'm trying to remember what I was going to say actually we haven't heard from before I have something to go on yeah I'll try to remember so I have something to say um I'm not so here's the thing I like I don't I don't want to rain on anybody's parade it's a good dungeon but I'm not sure that it's succeeding in answering the critique and delivering what people want so for example I love song despite the fact that I first did it on tier 4 which was traumatizing but I love it because it's beautiful there's a story The the environment and the environmental traversal is interesting you have these interesting Dynamic bosses with very unique mechanics and and and the the sticking point for the the the the the the fractal running Community was the long bit of of monologue before you get to the last boss I think that was the the bit that kind of chapped their balls okay they want to get in they want to so they want to get in they want to get out and they want and they want their fractal done as quickly and efficiently as possible do any of you think that these traversal mechanics are delivering the in and out quickly business no no it's because you don't have like a player I just heard that sorry I just heard that sorry what I like I was thinking yeah [Music] and I might expand this to say that I don't care think it is a speed thing right this is this is a lot we want it to just wanted to just fast I don't necessarily think that's even the case the idea is that they we just want and I'm not even part of the speedrunning community here I am like yes we the speed running Community is the uh official speaker yeah but I think the idea is that and I see this even with like Mythic plus dungeon stuff that I've been casting for World of Warcraft right the idea isn't that they want it to be as short as possible with like one boss and less than two minutes the idea is that they want it to be as streamlined of an action experience as possible so the things you are engaging with the combat the like you know talking about skips and stuff I mean there are just as many skips that people did in OG dungeons to the point where now if you run with a veteran when I was first doing them it's like what is even happening I don't even know I don't even know what we don't even know what you're saying so it's really good it was just it was just one chunk there you were going strong it was just a chunk I don't know what's happening my mic has not been having problems so it's my I don't know the Discord thing uh is it like the voice settings [Music] or is it like uh they're almost simple and they're set on their regular stuff I don't know I just images um I've I've downloaded I've copied all the Stargirl gov Pawn soft Pawn text and I was gonna read them out on video but then I decided no the chat the chat oh you're talking to me yes sorry oh my God I was like what yeah no one can people can't see this see the chat sorry I should probably have the checkup because I was like what are you trying to talk to someone else okay no sorry sorry if I've totally whipped your cameras now okay it looks I just wanted to try to come back in and see if that helps fix it um I think it's crossed we'll see I don't know um please just like wave at me if if it's really terrible and you can't hear anything um but uh basically all this to say that I don't think that it's like you need to gut the content of a fractal to make it as short as possible but rather that the action needs to be uninterrupted by things that you have no control over the flow of within it right so having to sit for a long period of RP or in this particular case um having to do something that is like technically still engaging with the game but that has nothing to do with your combat with your rotation with your those sorts of things it just has to do with this gimmick and getting familiar enough with it that you you go quick through it but I think really more so what it is is that you just want uninterrupted action and that within that you want ways to be able to get more efficient at it of course could you argue that getting efficient at using something like the gun is still an exercise of efficiency 100 but do I think it carries the same demonstration of the culmination of your players skill and your combat execution no I don't so I think that's where the difference is I'm not saying that this bleeds into any conversation about standardization of gameplay within Guild Wars 2 but of course when you give a universal item to everyone it you know could but I'd much rather have an encounter where it's maybe just a touch longer it doesn't have to be super super long but it's filled with like trash mobs and ads and alleys and pathing that you can go down but in order to actually get better at that and to Crunch down the time you're able to master your own class you're using their Mobility mechanics through using various classes portal mechanics like we have a necro Thief Mesmer blinks stealths putting more of that Mastery on to the player themselves rather than everyone getting something that is similar um and going through the motion of that um but not to say that this was so long um I don't know but I also get this impression that it was more so just an issue of having that role play moment right before a boss fight that you can't Skip it's not like a cutscene that you can turn off in you know Deimos I think you just need to lean into the community's desire to do all those things all right there's all sorts of little places where if you've got a Mesmer portal you can skip loads of stop and you can jump down when doing the molten fractal to like get to the elemental at the bottom and there's also people are going to do these things because they like to kind of game the system and I think that the developers just lean into that make them hidden places hidden spots where you can actually like you were saying Jed bro you got this this new mechanic thing have it take you to somewhere and then maybe maybe we just haven't found it yet exactly you know okay maybe like if you're gonna if you're gonna do if you're gonna introduce something like that that is new and different you really have to be like here's how you use it he is how you you know like do a little bit of a lot like story bit like oh we've got these guns we've never used them before like you or you may not be used to these guns if you press this button and you can do this and this does this blah blah blah just a tiny little explanation and you and it's just in the background so even if you speed run you don't even have to listen to it it's just there or it just or it's just like a one-time activation thing or whatever because it is like you know as an as an engineer player I will say like you know it was kind of cool to have a big rifle that did something else it was just like these blasts in the air which look like bombs and like it was little bomb boss like kind of like that and they look parachutes like that's kind of cool so it was it was like a little bit of a different thing but it was just really luck that I didn't die it was just like I just pressed the button and I was just like I'm gonna keep pressing it until it stops then I'll parachute I'm sure it'll be fine but like yeah I get what you're saying I I think with the the combination they just tried to do a few different things and there wasn't enough maybe of the different things they were trying to do that makes sense in a really simple way um I was gonna say like I actually didn't mind the length of this fractal I think it hits a good Mark in terms of minutes that it takes to actually complete this how long did that take probably like 30 35 minutes of course we're taking a little bit more time talking about the lore which you know of course people who are more role play focused and that's another element where I'm not super upset at this being the form that it takes where instead of you may be four bosses it's just two or three because they are able to add these little notes and these books and collections that you can do can do to get more uh information in regards to the actual environment that you're in and the fractal and of course the announcers and in voiceover does a great job at exploring the role play and the lore of whatever fractal you're doing so yeah I think timing I don't really have an issue with the timing of this fractal more so just how things were spaced out which made it feel longer and then shorter at the end weirdly enough um agreed but I think that if they're able to to kind of hit this time and or maybe just a touch longer I think that this was a very successful fractal in that regard personally [Music] um there were a lot of things this fractal did very well I mean the atmosphere the Ambiance the storytelling the boss fights 100 some of those new mechanics new markers really great um the little details even like fornax brought up earlier the um the Jade platforms that aren't Jade platforms so the precursor to the technology elementalists setting up these wooden you know Transportation wires I loved those details so good yeah very like old school like yeah technology changes yeah and the actual length like you said the length itself feels satisfying proof in regards to like yeah this feels like this was a good jaunt it could get quicker it takes a decent amount of time the first time you do it like it could get quicker meaning that like as you learn it and run it it goes more smoothly and goes faster but that like generally I think it came in at a good time and it felt like a good hunk of content with some great little teasers and things I think it was more just kind of yeah that sort of division of that content and the types of things they integrated into it that were my only critiques but overall I still think there was a lot of really good things and a lot of really fantastic storytelling in the fractal look at the bus as well I've got it on this I'm just kind of pausing moments like the boss just the look looks sick like it looks so good like the axes just that the whole demon Vibe is just very cool like I loved it it would there isn't really many things in the game that look like yeah unless you go to ore I guess but like you know he's really true too I mean much like updated but he's really true to his original character model as well beautifully updated and there are actually a collection of weapons that you can uh collect that are based off of connect's eye and there's some more demon aesthetic he can get his ax there's a bad staff which is you can it's like a staff with it's basically a great ax that it looks like it's really cool but it's and a dagger and a longbow or how do you do that you have to do the fractal and maybe a sword no and that's what I was gonna say it's an awesome and maybe another way of just incentivizing fractal play is to this so like to bring more unique skins to the bosses either in the form of like a rare drop and I know that maybe people might not like that um and or just update dating merchants and fractals and just to reward you more like you know they did with dungeons with the currency like spend currency to get skins which are unique to freckles like I think that would actually be a really cool looking idea like it would encourage people to get people into them oh for sure yeah it just feels so disconnected that the I mean not super disconnected because of course it's like the region in which connects I and the demons are are there but to have that in the open world PVE experience to collect those or it's actually to start the collection to collect the skins and not necessarily be tied to the fractals or like a merchant in the fractals or an NPC or by doing the actual fractal unlocking those those achievements um I think that could have also been integrated stronger into the actual fractal content the Manifest is what they called I think yeah I think one of the strengths of Final Fantasy 14 is the fact that at least in the lowest instance of of a of a raid of a dungeon you have you have to experience the story in it to progress so if you if this if this fractal was somehow woven into the story of somehow that we go down we fall into kind of like a mystery on fissure it takes us to the to uh an a simplified version of the fractal light we get here and then and then players understand the connection they see canaxide they they understand where these weapons come from that there could be that kind of because I think that the the the they're so disconnected this is a store this is a game type the players do not have to interact with at all you can never play a fractal in your life as a as a player of Guild Wars too and I think that it's I've I found myself deciding to do different various weapon Collections and deciding to do my legendaries it's pushed me as I think I've said this before push me into content that I've kind of stayed away from because it only took me a decade to get here and it's short decade and it but it's pushed me into content that's stretched my me as a player introduced me to new people really opened up the game for me and I feel like that little nudge into something that isn't too horrific it's not like you have to do tier fours with CMS in nightmare mode on the thing with vomit you don't have to do that but it's just it's just that at the same time with the vomit Peak um I think I think just that little nudge into and little like look at this content that you could do this is rather nice over here it's just kind of getting people it's getting the foot in the door for people but the the one thing before I forget because of my stupid ADH brain um it's not stupid you're talking well I mean it's it's uncooperative let us self-deprecation bro not with that you're allowed to say the other thing you were going to say though so it there's a judge deposition so I love that there are law letters in this dungeon yeah I'm not convinced that regular if if you're jumping in to get the law because you've listened to this episode of you've seen something on YouTube you're like oh God yeah let's go and have a look I'm not convinced that people are going to be too friendly to you jumping around oh I'm just going to go off and get this thing I'll be five minutes then you try to get the thing and yeah do you know what I mean except for that last one they are all directly on the route but that assumes that you even keep an eye out for them like and that you even know that they exist because if you don't know that there are like a little there's a little piece of paper you can always um you know make uh hit your keyboard so that it shows like name of thing like name of objects in your vicinity and it'll like show you that there's a journal entry there but um for players who don't know that right like yes like that searching around um while all the mixes with that last one are like directly along the route that you have to take I think even so yeah people aren't going to like wait for them to sit and read it all and you know so yeah I mean it's and it's not that I'm kind of just I'm looking at this disapprovingly because this because there has to be a balance between getting in there and getting your your your dungeon done and and allowing players to actually enjoy the experience and taking some of the law so I mean if they're trying to use these type of things to kind of put the brakes on a bit so that people actually kind of at least at least initially don't try and you know run it with their hair on fire um I I like that I I mean it's it's a problem that I don't know how they solve because you're you're butting up against like Community desire and it's a nebulous thing isn't it I'm yeah I will also add on our conversation about integrating of weapons to fractals that technically you do have to complete the fractal in order to get to like and Gala delve there are recipes that you can now get for these um manifest weapons so you can go to the vendor in Gala delve and get the recipes from them and then one of the required components that you have is something that you have to get by running the fractal but I also agree with everybody's observations on it in that that's the integration of those rewards um sometimes I think is that extra step that especially new players don't know to expect so like yes do new players know that there's a whole new set of weapons it's like technically technically his letter take takes you to Gala doll like he directs you to go to Gala doll and so there is kind of like you go over to like you can go over to the vendor and look and see what's different but um I think that something that is perhaps easier to comprehend in generally like um many other MMO content is that if something drops directly even if you have to run it a million times to try and get the thing to drop like if you go into a dungeon in another game you defeat the boss you see that gear drops from it and you go oh is there gear for my class yeah and then you know immediately that like if you run that dungeon you get gear or if you have the standard you get this thing and that if you run it multiple times you get it one thing that I think is sometimes difficult about collections is that if players don't know to look for the recipes if they don't realize that sometimes these recipes aren't even craft or specific they're like an achievement collection if they have never done an achievement collection if they don't know about like silver wastes introduces you to the idea of upgradable armor sets with the carapace armor I think I think that's where you get the initial introduction to it but I know that for me as a new player it took me a long time to to realize that I needed to avidly like dig through new maps to see if there were special upgradable things or collections or achievement sets or you know if I do this then it unlocks vendor that does X and then I get these recipes and then I can upgrade them by using XYZ and then I can so I think in those ways it does cause a disconnect for players with things like fractals because either they're trying to Wade through the idea of fractal currency and what that buys them or then we're getting an introduction of new content like this where they're like oh so there's new weapons themed around this boss from the fractal oh but I have to wait wait y'all adult or you know whatever it is there it creates like these extra steps that I think do create that sense of Disconnect that you were all kind of talking about and I only picked up on the fact that there were new weapons because I read the blog post and I read the patch notes if I hadn't read the pouch notes I would have had no idea that these weapon skins were in the game until I came across them in game or via social media because it's not my MMO experience to expect vendors to be updated with new uh collections or weapons or skins for vendors that are just out in the open world in a map usually there are new NPCs or new vendors added or they are within an existing PVE structure that is a bit more approachable similar to what you were talking about Rook when you're fighting a boss and they drop skins you're like oh so this is what I can kind of expect so I would have had no idea um on but thankfully I did read the blog post I was like oh I can go and go to galadel I think if you had finished the fractal regardless of going to gyala delve if they unlocked the collections for those weapons that maybe would have been um one step to make it a little bit more satisfying and just bridge that Gap so that you at least knew that they're you're like oh I can go on this journey to go back to galadel now and finish out this weapon collection so I think if both both truths existed like the vendor in galadel and or by completing the fractal um it just would have made it a bit easier for people who don't read blog posts it's the it's the dichotomy of hidden content that we have all the time oh God and this is the solution to someone stood there with this this this this take it TM no no TMS for this you know just exclamation points yeah please absolutely about this for so long and it is so important that this gets put in the game I don't care anymore I'm just like you like literally you so you know that new the new armor I got in in galadels the um what's it called um let me just look it up you just go on a whole journey it gets it literally gets you into fractals because you have to complete a fractal for each one it's a basically it's the base level fractal it's a tier one like no scale two you do have to do for some as well that's right and it looks great like I I love it you know it looks aside it's ascended armor like it's ascended as well like it's it's relatively easy to get it also engages you in different systems in the game like in the dragons like the research tickets sure I hate them but it's still engages you in system that's a different conversation but yeah and it also gets you into the open world maps to do specific events and guess how many times I did the events in those open world maps when I was going through them zero but guess how many times I did them because of this brand new armor set quite a few times and like it was fun because they were brand new events I have not engaged and they engaged me in the game in a different way I found different areas that I liked and I could did map completion I'd not been in the map areas when these events were on so I didn't get to experience them and I don't tend to always go back too much also some crafting you have to do as well you have to get some different materials to craft like different things so yes I would have to go and get some Dragon Jade I would have to go and get other things and also guess what else I had to do some ascended crafting as well like I had to make refrillions and I had to do other bits and Bobs so it is a solid way that they get you to experience I there's so many even just explaining it there's more things than I even appreciate that are in that crafting as well like ascended crafting like those bits it really does involve a lot so and they hide it they just do like you said one it's like they could be just a real incentive like a big part of it just like you say exclamation point you have the option to create or some kind of weird little movie or whatever like intro to it like the new special ops armor is available like some kind of fun ad like the Char flipping ritlock sabad or something stupid like that but you could have some kind of fun comedy thing you know where it's like today we've got this if you learn how to do XYZ and like it would just be like it's really engaging it'd be like oh cool is this new armor set and then and you've just got kind of got this vendor they can preview the armor and you don't really understand the journey behind it even if that vendor had right like you all have my brain going because I do think there are ways to like make this more visual we get in-game males sometimes yes so like at the start of this with the new fractal being introduced you get that letter from gorick which is great because it does at least notify players especially players who weren't here when it was introduced that hey there is something that you can do that will kind of expand your story in the context and content that you have post end of dragons and leading into our extension and other things so you you get that letter but I know many of us because there is a Max on letters as well are very liable to just be like and delete and I looked at okay get out of there get out of there like get out of here my inbox is full or whatever it is um so you might read it and then get rid of it and then if you're like me and you log out and you forget that anything ever existed for you to do and then you come back right it's it's not a persistent reminder so if you did have something like a vendor or if this was like a regular thing on a lot of the Guild Wars 2 maps like you were saying proof where you learn to expect what the custom is in the game right so if it is that when you complete the story or whatever you know you do your first run of the meta or whatever the marker would be that then if there is a vendor that updates on this map that there is a an indicator of that so that you know like as I step on the map like you know fornax you put it out like an exclamation point that pops up over there and I'm like what's this and then I run over and I talk to them and you know they say we found more stuff or you know like you this is more information and you know here's this gear and this new set and um you know or whatever it is if that was something that they just rolled more into the flow of the maps and the hubs and you know those sorts of things where as you unlock it or as you upgrade your Mastery for arborstone or whatever it is right a quest exclamation point pops up that then takes you over there that then has you know points out here is the vendor that has rewards for this this is what that reward is um you know you can at any time even like a category or something in achievements where it would specifically be about like gear achievement or fashion achievement or something that like has that reward to it gear collections or whatever it is if you could even then like click on that at all times and be like oh yeah I haven't done that from galadel yet or I haven't done this from silverway store I never upgraded the tier of this set I do think that could kind of help codify some of this because there's so much stuff to get and like you were saying job so much content that touches on it that's so fun but that sometimes it's like if somebody hasn't told you about it or you haven't dug through the achievements or if you missed the blog post or whatever it is sometimes you don't even realize that there are those rewards um for sure but I see chat even saying like I didn't know that there was an armor set or that there were these weapons and like they complete sir uh he's very engineer focused and very like Tech based so it's very in tune with like you know the technology that they've got going on as well and yeah backpack there's loads of stuff and the backpack isn't even that difficult to get you can even do the achievements in the um zarn so you can get this backpack that I'm showing off in the thing or you can just use research tickets and Karma and everyone can get karma and everyone can get research tickets if you just very Halo yeah yeah it is very Halo I love it it's very cool but it's like you know every different type of style but this kind of stuff is available everywhere you told me about those weapons I just went and looked them up and I was like I didn't even know there existed like I wouldn't I want to go and get those now do you know what I mean and that's me in the game that's me in the game in a player in the game doing a thing because I want to do it because they have the content but they're not delivering they're not telling us apart I'm just like I don't I don't want to go and talk too much I'm just gonna get mad about it I must I I Must Praise their willingness and ability to add these collections via the open world PVE system yeah because there are points in that collection that then lead players to go to fractals so I think that is actually really smart to do is a little bit of that cross-pollination and that incentive for cross-pollination whoever as players who might interact with that style of content like fractals it's more about that expectation of feeling rewarded and I think that's what really was the um two two misses maybe the integration in the open world PVE to make it a bit more understandable that there is a new collection to get weapons but then also for fractal players for them somehow to know that this collection even exists so love that cross-pollination I do appreciate that these weapons they look fantastic and be allow you and compel you to go to various areas of the game it's more so just like nailing down how people acquire the knowledge of that they exist and or how they acquire this collection I'm now gonna go and get these weapons exactly some of them are really cool I want that stuff and I want that ax why like it is literally and in the funny thing is is like you know out of anything we're complete it is a complaint honestly it just is um like I have anything I'm complaining about it's just funny that it's it's not really content it's not the content at all it's just the accessibility of it it's not even accessibility it's just telling you like something we know it exists and I really feel like isn't it funny and this there is a link but I feel like there's an unconscious link here between This and like the pr they do sometimes it's like you know telling us about the game out in the open world and also telling us about the content you have in the game there seems to be this like disconnect there does that make sense like there's almost like this there's this link of like informing the player informing their Community about things sometimes which I think is really something they continually miss out on I know it makes me sad it does make me sad because the game is so damn good like there is no question about the content in this game being so such quality like that we love that we enjoy it's just very infuriating where when they're unable to communicate that to the player and the potential new players because if we can't access this stuff we can't get excited about it and pass on that excitement to others it's just inherently unfortunate it's just it's I don't know even if they did something that that was more I mean again I think it's about just establishing expectations and a place for those sorts of things to be to be showcased I mean oh It's just tough I was thinking about 14 and how 14 always has their they have like of course content that just directly drops items that you see and do all the time and you know like I get new armor sets for doing dungeons I get new extras I get right but um they also have these like end game hubs which we have the equivalent of in Guild Wars 2 um and have been more and more solidified with things like eye of the North or um our birthstone or right like even if there was a Roundup where you know at like the end of an expansion cycle including living seasons and stuff and this location there is somebody that has an entire list of all the acquirable achievements collections something like that um we're sure you could like discover them on the maps as well but you would always know to go and look and make sure you didn't miss any um by like talking to this specific person you could see right then and there the preview of the gear that you could get if you do this thing and you could click on it and it's like it would automatically make it your active or whatever or like tell you what map to go to or something um oh it'd just be so nice because yes I love it and I love all the stuff there is to get in the game and this new stuff is really fantastic especially if you want to work on getting some new appearances if you want some more incentive to run things like yala delve if you're not you know working on legendaries or whatever else um it's great to have this other stuff to get and I'm so happy they put it in but yeah there's got to be a way like moving forward that they can more reliably have a hub or location I think or something or the quest markers or the something but some place where we can have this here is the stuff yes you know it's literally there it is literally like that here is the stuff you can get and this is where you can get it like this is the cool looking armor and you just have I don't know like and I was thinking about like how do other games do this do they do it does everyone have this problem like you know I don't know if they don't know I don't think they do okay good thing is sorry so none of the MMOs that I've played have had this problem and the thing is that there is value there is a real genuine value to Hidden content content that the community has to come together they have to find it's like in the original in like vanilla wow there was the the um to make um I think it was kel'thalas or something which was on the Legendary Blade you had to go on this massive questline and one of the quest texts said go find um a cave with dragons in it literally on the planet go find a cave with dragons in it and somebody did it took them a while but they did right but that that that that is an epic kind of Community Driven Journey huge value but this is like 70 of the game is here inside the UI and you don't know where and you don't know how to get to it and there's so many things you have to have this one magical item drop from fairy dust in order to unlock a collection so I mean and I so here's the thing I understand that they want people to organically get out there and interact with the world and find like for example in echovel Forest there are lots of little mini Dungeons and hidden hidden things to do with the curse like to do with the ghosts you go in you can find these extraordinarily beautiful kind of hidden places it's great but you have to give a special I'd be playing this game a decade I don't know where half the stuff is you have to give players a mechanism say for example in in vanilla World of Warcraft uh dwarves had a thing called it was like sense treasure they could just like yeah the vibrations in the air right I didn't play her into office this is like Warcraft no one surprised about super old school we're showing our age Boomer gamer confirmed right well back in my day when I could play a dwarf and I was happy yeah I also was giggling because in my head I immediately heard like a flashback to you at the start of the podcast saying did you how fun is your anime show thank you oh my God so good continue sorry yeah yeah let's not let's not dwell on that um but I mean if they had a mechanic whereby you'd go out into the and you would sense there would be some sort of you could you could because you have all this magic and because you've been I don't know pick a reason why we can sense where things are and have it so that we have some sort of visual tell like a magical fairy dust or a glowing Aura around there anything just tell us what the content is please I just think it needs to be logically placed yeah so in any an example would be that these fractal or these weapons that are based off of the fractal I believe should have been obtainable by playing fractals and doing that fractal and on top of that in the open World experience we have Quest markers in the game we have markers that indicate some type of collection or Quest journey to go on I think if they were just more associated with that to show oh you can go and collect these armor pieces and these weapon skins um I think it would read a lot better um and they've done it in the past and I just wished and hoped that after arborstone they would have continued that route with you know gyali delve and adding other side quests that you can do and it really you know looking back that's not how it worked out um not to say that it they can't do that for secrets of the Obscure or any future content but I think the foundation is there it's most definitely there it's more so just applying it in a consistent manner so that it's understood by the community essentially essentially especially when and I think I think now is probably one of the best times I can do it right I mean they they're changing the Cadence there doing they're changing a lot of how they just deliver this content anyway just yearly so like why not take that opportunity to literally just give his quest I mean like just do it like just or just making more of us I mean I'm not gonna hop on too much I said this is going to be a short yeah and and when we badgered on to this I don't know why I said badgered but we've we've we're banging it's okay I just had a giggle because this morning we did have a Baldur's Gate three stream from the official larian Studios that was incredibly spicy and Incredibly hilarious you do need to watch it but Ken did ask you in the chat if you were going to or Kent did ask in the chat if you were going to play a dwarf in Baldur's Gate 3. there is no other race that exists in the game to create well other than the dwarf of course I'm Gonna Roll a dwarf again like you need to spend more time here it is the way it's the only way if I could play a dwarf in Guild Wars 2 I would play a good dwarf a guild wolf that's what they should have called out I bought them when that is I was there I farmed that thing and there was the only thing I did Stone skin I was like bang I've got it I swap it but I only have a really actually on my service but like uh can I make a request if we're all gonna play Bolder Skate 3 and I already have it because I'd be playing in the beta can we play together please I'm down well you can co-op can you hold on Co-op it as though you know what we are going to do don't know that and this is how we do our DND escalonian catacombs that's interesting yes please and thank you I would love to so much so much I would 100 be down August is this is it next week and then obscure comes out at the end yeah like Kent said uh it's up to five players so what would you think we gotta get boots in on this yeah I would also just play it off stream with all of you not gonna lie I either honestly kind of won a game like that off stream as well but like it interesting yeah that's very cool yes it's okay no that was an important question I now need to go and watch it so I can find out the door so like because I don't know what that look like so I just hope and you get to make your Dwarven lover is oh Deborah so many things lie ahead of you in Baldur's Gate three yes oh somebody I'm a child yes it's gonna be great an observation and this might be totally wrong sure but did someone use secrets of the Obscure assets and gyala delve for this ramp because the coloring and the scheming and the design it looks like it looks so white and gold and like amnitas I'm not there if I can't see what you're looking at with yourself I just you know realizing what we know now about expansion form just wondering like doesn't use the secrets of the Obscure asset it could be I don't know they're prepping but it looks it looks very like Wizards Tower like that white and gold I was like this doesn't read kantha at all but I don't know either way a lot of things were happening in August including excuse start of the month end of the month your whole month is going to be a sandwich of incredible gaming goodness I understand I am by the way because I didn't get to say it off the charts excited about Secrets scare can I be real that like everything every single thing because I didn't get to say it last week because I sadly wasn't able to come but um all of our discussion today about the fractal the fractal and everything else was like the cherry on the cake that week we got even though we're talking about right like making things easier to find the rewards all that kind of stuff I felt like last week was the holidays just suddenly out of nowhere and I was riding that high for the vast majority of the week because it was just like new content unexpected story cap scene that made me SOB like a baby the environmental change in the little dialogue changes where the wizard tower used to be once you've done that new fractal new rewards new weapon new arm I was just like it was amazing and all the stuff that they've released about um obscure I am like I'm so on board for all of it like you all said at the start of the podcast although I think we were not on mics then um for the first time sense oh my gosh I don't even know since I bought it since living season five or earlier um I took off my orene outfit and I made wizard time for my fashion Wars and that's how excited I I know that's how excited I am that I I took off my Champion hat and my glowing rainbow Essence Wizard or error she's with me forever so just return Yes I'm just excited about like literally everything yeah we talked about Soldier as well coming back and like ah man it's gonna be so good at times legendary armor for PVE finally parody parody yes excited and it's so nice oh God yeah that's amazing wizard Vault oh my gosh I'm so pumped about that is gonna do it and do you want you were right yeah we were talking about um me like was that yeah no no we were talking about um battle passes like a form of yeah content that rewards just being casual General play of all game nodes yeah foreign I just like literally everything I'm so excited about and I'm so happy about and like even with some of our feedback and thoughts today about various parts of the fractal or things like that I don't want any of that to be yeah it's not any kind of measurement for like how genuinely thrilled I am how excited how much energy I have even just felt in our community again as everybody gets so excited about this expansion and how much I have genuinely loved so much of what has been given to us with end of dragons and all of the post stuff and the date that we went out just so good and all of the new things and that Capstone and that little um epilogue I guess scene that we had before reading um it's been a beautiful Journey and I'm coming so soon I know I just can't wait it's literally next month like it's next month like that's wild let's have let's say we see spiders I'm sorry I mean yes but lights are out to go off of what rook's saying and we're gonna kind of wind down the podcast as I try to do dragon's end um like because I need to do dragons in to get that line the last piece of the armor and I'm like there are people doing it yes um but we are excited yeah don't mind us we didn't mean to disturb your gameplay this evening I've got ADHD I can do this whether or not I do it well like he's another thing um yes no we are excited I don't I think we were fine today I mean I think you know we just said things which you know we we weren't like oh listen yeah like we were just we were fair enough I'm really worried for all of your status within you know the partner I'm worried you came down really hard I am sorry I said it did it like this and also like as a remark like the the marking and stuff I don't even feel like I wouldn't have like much say in that sometimes I feel like it's an entities of things there's not even them it's just like you know I think there are some constraints that we aren't really aware of but hey ho you know we'll find we'll hopefully we'll see what happens it's there's nothing we know those people very well and we know the way they do it and they work very hard and everyone does and we just we just love the game at the end of the day if the bad thing is that we're being sad that they aren't emphasizing the thing like you know that's not the worst thing in the world I don't think um we just have to pick up the slack it's our advertising campaign now guys honestly about a month that's what the podcast and that's why we make videos and we stream because we bring it to you every single week the hard-hitting news for Guild Wars 2 keeping you all in the loop and entertained what more could you ask for don't ask me for fifty thousand dollars I don't have that at the moment but you could also go to the Facebook Marketplace for uh proof and also oh yeah but if you're willing if you're like you want to join a company that's like has such great flexibility you can stay at home and like be with your kids and your family work at any moment in the day you know I highly recommend you know becoming a part of my team hi guys so welcome to our team okay so the podcast no we're not an illegal pyramid scheme no we're just we're you know it's just a very collab a densely collaborative effort um just said that if I spent all my money on these weird candles that then I'd be able to sell them for twice as much money so please buy my candles and join rook's team you know the upline I mean alternatively you could join jedro in his foot stuff on only fans I mean it's your choice I look smart work smart not hard top choices here Deborah's knee stuff her Crews definitely not a pyramid scheme one of them is illegal the other has social repercussions [Laughter] are illegal and we're still trying to figure that out but um once the you know um legalization of jeopard's knees happens well yeah yeah Randomness this is the after Chat Show quick and the stream this is the actual podcast because we haven't done that outro oh gosh okay quickly all right thank you everyone for being on the podcast and talking about the well we talked about the fractal for a fraction of the time it feels like it was appropriate because fractions are a very small version of dungeons so this is what the fractal podcast is it's the ball small part of it uh the silent surf new fractal get in there give it a bash see what you think uh let us know in the comments as well uh and also some hype about the expansion and just some more complaining that sometimes we do in a very respectful way um and also in type more hype and enjoyment we've got things coming not sure about if we're gonna have a show next week we'll see if it is it will be a short one um which means it probably won't be uh expansion comes out August 22nd make sure you go into the description and click one of these lovely people's links as well as boots link will be in there um where you can buy the expansion also the other expansions or the base camp whatever uh using one of the links I'm actually appreciate which I think are on sale still yeah yeah I hope so I think so yes potentially um but yeah for next tell us what you do where you do it I'm getting killed well good luck getting killed what did you just say oh in game yeah okay oh I was like damn you didn't send someone your knee pics they said I paid for those give me my product [Laughter] for customers you know promises well they'll take your kneecaps oh my gosh yeah that's it that's my that's my career done no it's fine I'm fine I'm crying Herald I make Guild Wars 2 content on YouTube I'm also on Twitch I'm also on Twitter until it explodes guys such an idiot that man and I'm on threads Goodness Me there seems to be at least 75 less bigotry it's amazing um and yeah please I'm gonna I'm actually working right now on a massive so I've got a law video a spoiler-free lore video if you're wanting to dive into the expansion blind for the law that we knew before the secrets of the Obscure came out so if your friends are wanting to learn about the law but they don't want to be spoiled to watch that video but right now I'm working on a completely spoiler-tastic everything we know everything we think is going to be coming up the kind of like eyelash Deep dive into all the bits and pieces that have come out I'm working on that and I'm writing I've been writing it this week it'll be coming out probably next week so if you want all the juicy Goths on all the Lorry bits then and I think I've had some cuneiform in the uh in the script so yeah if you know what that cuneiform is then you're a proper nerd but yeah so yeah fingers crossed that's what we're talking about so hopefully uh you can I will learn for your video it's the Assyrian language actually but anyway um yeah well there you go that's what I find out the earliest form of writing of humanity I was trying to uh oh you're trying to pick me I'm [ __ ] at this kind of thing so don't don't yeah I can't even count myself but that's it and also thank you to all you wonderful people talking to me this evening and thank you for allowing me to be on the podcast yes that's the only reason you're here just allowing you just allowing you not because oh my gosh thank you for being on the podcast and putting up with us yeah I don't know how y'all do it I don't know how the viewers in chat do it either I like corn hello [ __ ] apparently you're in the entire everyone I'm corn I'm delicious I'm versatile and I passed right through you come out the other side say hello I'm an unchanged man um is it my time to do the outro I don't know they can't breathe so I guess someone's got a time yes hi everyone so I'm crew you can also call me corn if you're nasty um but it's so cute adorable and I just wanted to bring attention to that really I think we need to all collectively as a human race talk about these difficult issues and yeah I had to bring It Forward but um other than that if you don't want to talk about you know difficult issues and just relax you can come over to my YouTube channel over at proof I just do like some videos I don't know about a little game called Guild Wars too really you know quaint and I also uh I 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no yes yes I can jebro hi everyone I'm Rook AKA Rookery okay you are I um thank you for the update jebra I really appreciate that oh you can find me on Twitch at Rookery that's r-o-k-u-r-i again you can find me on YouTube at the same you can find me on Twitter as of right now at Rookery underscore I have not made a thread yet um please don't steal it and do not take it as a challenge I will fight you to the death um also I don't know you should not have said that from the podcast I regret everything um and I think proof is wonderful and I think Deborah's head is shiny and I miss boots desperately in which he'd taken us all to Japan and I love you all and we should definitely make Baldur's Gate 3 happen and I'm for sure gonna make 100 characters but I'm definitely gonna make a character that is a little twink that's going to get destroyed by that bear Jewish in the chat and they 'd be doing all these side eyes and all that kind of stuff and then Rick says that and it's fine like I just I don't get it and it doesn't stop it never quits it's just like it I I have a question no this is the end can you explain to me what a twink is because so in in world Warcraft right there was nothing called twinks learned about this yeah somebody I just learned about this yes twinks were a thing in WoW but it was like what somebody see blizzard would always an ally no no not just in blizzard they're in everything they're like in any game like you know when someone makes a new account I mean their twins are in anything I said that on my stream and someone was like what I was like yeah when you know you've got a low level character like you know and you restart and you're like powered up a lot of things are in twinks is it's the reverse but I mean people could be a you know podcast safe conversation yeah yeah I mean I think before I went on my fitness journey people would have described me as a twink or like an androgynous twink um I still hold that a twink is like smaller framed skinnier lean leaner gay guy yeah oh oh wait it's brand new information okay it does have very different meanings than MMOs that I had no idea about but no in the LGBT community yes it's yeah kind of like it's been around before that phrase has been around for like 15 20 years I wonder if it pulls from the gay twink because twinks are like players who are like lower level yes and are smaller powerful attack but there isn't it doesn't seem like it at least we went deep into this on my stream last week so there's a lot of content you can explore it because one of my characters in game got called the prettiest twinkable White Mage that anybody had seen and it was the greatest compliment I have ever received in my entire life so it's kind of like a reverse of a bear because I found out the best one just not like men who were fluffy I thought that it was just like a cute thing but no that's a very specific you see you learn so much do on the libraries podcast and educational and I'm on my twank where I'm gaining more muscle mass but I'm still not yet like oh my God you know like I don't know that mid outfit you you if the if the Paradigm fits that was like Peak that's I'm like Femme twink yeah yeah I love that for you I love that for you oh good lord you so did oh my gosh you look adorable always but it looks very good in that um the end of my outro and I feel really good about it so check me out this is about par for the course by any of my contents I'm trying to kill the Jade Moore in Dragon City and also trying to do the dragon's end event while also ending the podcast so now we are there and this is the end there's something chasing me um thank you very much everyone for joining uh what was meant to be a short episode which is just the same length as normal we just start on time today so there is that that was the first time have an excellent rest of your day um if we're not back next week you can check it out I'll let you know at Deborah uni on Twitter twitch.tv 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Length: 157min 58sec (9478 seconds)

Published: Sat Jul 08 2023