- On this video, I'm joined
by a super special guest, an autistic woman who also has a DHD, and she's gonna tell us all about life as a late diagnosed autistic person. So let's go. Welcome my friend. Thank you for watching. I'm
Orion Kelly, that autistic guy. I'm all about helping you raise
your level of understanding, acceptance, and appreciation
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YouTube channels, Orion Kelly, that autistic guy, and
Orion Kelly podcasts. I can't wait to get to this
chat. So let's just do that. My friends from an
incredible YouTube channel, neurodivergent all about autism and A DHD. Please, silently welcome, neurodivergent. Jen, thank you so much
for being here. Thank - You for having me, Ryan. I really appreciate it. - Can I, can I just say, I, I apologize and you know, I'm saying
this in a purely autistic way because, you know, obviously
I'm married with kids, but you are absolutely beautiful. In all honesty. I can't
tell you your videos and you just always look
so you, so thank you. Blown away by, I appreciate - That. But you know, to be honest
with you, I think that that does kind of make it
harder for people to believe me, you know, because they think
that autism has a certain look. But I appreciate it. Yeah. - This is why I love my conversations. 'cause I don't plan them. 'cause I want 'em to do organic and then bang. There, there you go. That's
the best question ever. They, they're thinking Orion,
ask her, ask her about that. What's, tell, ask her, make
her talk. So hang on a second. You are saying, and I, I think this is, I heard you say, tell me if I'm wrong. I heard you say that being
you, so let's go through it. In my opinion, you're an
attractive white woman, means, oh, you can't be autistic. - Right? I think it was a
psychologist, Tamia Marshall that kind of pinpointed that, you know, women on the spectrum,
they can be ultra tomboys or they can be ultra feminine, which obviously I present very
feminine, I guess in a way that's almost like a routine
that I have to follow, you know, doing my makeup
or how I dress or whatever. Yes, it's, it's me. But, you know, if, if you
look more like a tomboy, even you might have an easier
time being women have a hard enough time being believed
as it's right to begin with. But then you throw somebody
who is maybe ultra feminine, if you'll, then it makes it even harder because people definitely
think incorrectly. Think that, you know, autism has a look. - Do you know what's funny
though? I did a, I did one of these with, with Tay. So, you know, Taylor and
people in the comment said, you look like brother and sister. And then I thought maybe there is a look. It's like I don't, you
know, that sounds strange, but do we look alike? I don't know. Or do we look alike? Or are we drawn to each other's look? 'cause there's something about
it that makes it familiar. I don't know, I'm just, these
are just open-ended questions, but is a really, there you are, right? There is no autistic Look,
it's your brain. That's a fact. Yeah. But it is interesting. I did once have someone tell
me in the medical profession, oh, you have, you have autistic eyes, you have an autistic look. I find them fascinating regardless. I - Think if there was autistic eyes per se, a lot more people would be
getting diagnosed much more easily if there were telltale signs with their physical appearance. - And also too, my eyes look
like I'm a tired old man and your eyes look like you
should be in frozen, the movie. So there's two different eyes there. So Jen, your, your channel neurodivergent, do you
see what she did there? You see what she did there?
She got neurodivergent and put Jen at the end. Do you see what I'm saying? It's, it's gold put, no, it's gold. There's no one behind me.
I'm talking to myself. I'm crazy neurodivergent. I love it. And it's a, it's your
channel. Te tell us about it. Why, why does it exist? Tell us about it. - Yeah, you know, first of all, Orion, I just wanna thank you for
having women on your channel and giving them a voice. I think that that means a lot, you know, because we do present
differently and you know, and also giving an opportunity
to a small U YouTuber such as myself, I'm just, I'm just a baby. But, you know, I think once I found out it was
such a life altering thing that I definitely wanted to
share that with everybody. I mean, I felt like it was
such an aha moment for me that I was like, well,
surely everybody's going to wanna know about this. Like, hello. I just, I just
figured this out. You know? It was a big puzzle piece
that I just figured out that I just, my whole
life I couldn't understand what was quote unquote wrong with me. And so, you know, you automatically, for me personally, started
telling a lot of people about it, just thinking that they would just be as shocked and odd as me. Like, oh, that explains everything. But I quickly found that
people would tell me like, no, you can't be autistic. Maybe you're a little bit quirky, all those stereotypical things, but I don't think you
actually have autism. You have your own businesses
and this and that. But interestingly enough,
I was originally diagnosed with A DHD many years ago, but
I never really researched it or gave a whole lot of
thought to it, right? But once autism came into the picture, it was just in here all the time. And I had to find a way to get that out. And, you know, I think
I'd always kind of wanted to do YouTube videos, whether it was about
this or something else. But once this came into my
purview, I definitely wanted to get a lot of this outta my head because it was just something that I was thinking about 24 7. And I think like writing down
my thoughts and scripting and putting that out into
the YouTube verse really kind of helped me navigate my journey. So I would say that that's why I did it. The name, it just hit me one night when I was like trying to fall asleep. You know how we all do staying
awake, but our brains just, and I had been trying to think about if I did start a channel, what would I call it? And that just hit me. And I
was like, that's it, that's it. It's me. It's autism, it's
neurodivergence, it's everything. But, so yes, I have both A DHD and autism. And like I said, I was originally
diagnosed with a DH adhd, but didn't really care to research it. And to be honest, there
were a lot of things that fit me about the A DH ADHD diagnosis and a lot of things that didn't fit me. Maybe I, I felt like I didn't believe that diagnosis in a sense. Maybe that's why I didn't
research it. I'm not quite sure. But I, I knew I felt different
my whole entire life, like my whole life,
every stage of my life. You know, it's a, you,
you hear a lot of people that will say, I was an awkward teenager or I didn't have a ton of
friends in high school, but you know, or sometimes
we all feel ostracized, we all feel left out
every once in a while. But this was not that, this
was like in every stage of my life with everybody. I felt very, very, very different. And I used to always just
kind of like, I, I put that down to my quote unquote
magician personality type, which is, you know, for
those who aren't familiar, it's the Myers-Briggs
personality type, which a lot of people think is pseudoscience. And you know, maybe there's not like a ton of scientific basis behind
it, but that's not the point. The point is, is that
I knew I was so weird, so different that there had to
be something to describe it. And the logician personality
type, only about 2% of women test as logician. So I was like, that, that must be it, because not a lot of women test this way. That's why I'm this way.
That's why I'm, I am how I am. But you know, like I said, since I never really researched it or looked into it, it wasn't until my son came along that I realized, well, so my son when my, when my son was diagnosed. So my story is very similar to yours. And you know, like I had
told you in an email, and I don't wanna get all
emotional here, I'll try not to, but my son saved my life too. So when you were talking about
that on your PBS interview, which is great, by the
way, that was fantastic. But my son saved my life too, because he was diagnosed with autism. But I really, you know, I I just thought I was a
bad person my whole life. I just thought I was a crap human being. I thought that everybody
else was getting it right and I just wasn't trying
hard enough, you know, like noises bothered me back then too. And I, I just thought I
was a cranky old person, like an old cranky lady
wanting to yell at like, people just get off my lawn. Like why are these noises bothering me? You know, I'm not that old and why does everything
bother me in life and, and sounds and everything else. But yeah, we, my husband and I knew that our son
was different, you know, so we always knew that he was different because he had a bunch of
stereotypies, you know, he like with his hands and his head and he had repetitive vocalizations and he would line up his toys
more than he played with them. And he parallel played with other children and he had late speech, all
of which are telltale signs. Poor child have autism.
But we didn't know that. And it was his first grade
teacher actually that told us, like, have you ever had
him evaluated for autism? And in that moment I was just thinking, did you just call my son stupid? Because I knew nothing about it. Nothing at all. I, I
unfortunately, you know, and this is why I have a lot
more compassion towards people who don't get it because I was there once,
I unfortunately had the stereotype in my head that it
was intellectually disabled, you know, which is such
an unfortunate stereotype, but I, that's almost what I thought she was
saying about my son. But we, we got him diagnosed,
actually the school did a, an evaluation on him. And it was, it was very, very in depth because they had a lot of
teachers and psychologists and people who specialize in
stuff like this, follow him around and observe him in
various settings like the playground in class, outside
of class, and talking to him. And they gave him the academic diagnosis. And then we got him the medical diagnosis. I don't know if this was your
situation when you got your, when your son got his diagnosis, but they didn't give us any material. They didn't tell us, you
know, what this means or how it happened. They just told us that, congratulations, your son has autism, have a good day. You know, I dunno what
that was like for you, but that was our experience. - Yeah. And well, I
guess more, more broadly, because you've shared, you've
shared, you've shared a lot of, a lot of, of your journey
there more broadly, I'd say. You know, it's just, it's astounding to me how similar experiences
can be between like, diagnosed autistic people. It's just crazy. The how, like literally specifically similar our experiences. Yeah. You know, can be,
and it's, it's funny too because with our first son
who's autistic, people had to point out to me that everything, that everything was not
normal or different. Like that's how I was when
I was a kid. I was normal. And that's how he plays. And you know, like you say,
I didn't even realize it until someone pointed out, this is not a normal situation here. I wanna talk about, you
know, some of those things. I, I think the, the, the big thing that you talked about too,
which I can relate to, is for late diagnosed autistic
people, a lot of us, it's happening because of kids. We have a kid and the kid gets a diagnosis and you think, hang on, why weren't, why didn't you when you were a kid? And that's because, well
think about it, you know, the medical profession had
absolutely no idea to the, to the extent they do these days. So that, that's, that's
an argument you hear. And it's kind of a bit
bizarre and ridiculous. It's just not the same. It's not the, the knowledge
we have is not even close. But then you go to the
next point is, well, you've got this far, you,
you know, you're married, you've got kids, you sure
your kid's got a diagnosis? What's the difference? You know? And like, like I've said, and like you've said,
you know, really autism and my son's diagnosis saved my life. I went from being so
down on myself, probably, probably highly suicidal and depressed, you know,
feeling like I'm just an utter loser, born to suffer till the bitter end that will never be accepted. Nothing about it is good. I should just die to feeling like, okay, well I might still feel these things, but they're for different reasons. And now I know I'm not actually a bad person, you know, I'm autistic. I'm different. And, and yeah,
it's, it really did, you know, it really did save my life. And from you too, when you, when you went through the experience, you
know, with your son, you know, how, how did it start to, how
did it start to make you feel? 'cause for me, I was going
through the diagnosis with him, my son, and it became
all about me in a way. He's, I I How did that
experience feel for you? - Well, I mean, the self-realization part
did not happen right away. It took somebody pointing
out my husband specifically that it's hereditary,
and I did not know that. And he told me that, yeah,
actually, like 30 to 80% of the time it's hereditary. And I Orion I remember where I was standing in the kitchen when that moment happened. I mean, that is chiseled
into the stone recesses of my memory that moment. Because I was like, it's
me. I'm the problem. It's me that, you know, because there were a lot
of things that I identified with my son that, like you
said, I was like, well, that just, that's normal. I do that. He does that.
Those are his mannerisms. Those are my mannerisms. And of course it is very, very different from a little
boy to an adult female. But there were a lot of similarities. But the minute I found
out it was hereditary, it was just like, oh my gosh, maybe this will explain why I
felt different my whole life. So I went to go and research and unfortunately the very
first video that I watched on it was called like 10 Signs. You might Have Autism or
something really stupid like that. And it was all the stereotypical
things that we are trying to educate people outta,
you know, things like you hand flap or you rock back and forth. Granted that is true or you know, many, but it, it, it's not nuanced
enough to be more inclusive that you can't understand sarcasm. And I was like, excuse me. But I myself am sarcastic
sometimes like, yeah, I understand sarcasm or, you
know, saying things like, you don't have any friends, or, I'm like, I, I have, I I've had a few friends
throughout my life, you know, and I, I swear to you, I think it even talked about
the stereotypical, like, you, you, if you're obsessed with trains, I don't know if I'm making that part up. That's how stereotypical was. You know, the only thing
that I connected with outta that whole stupid list was
difficulty making eye contact, which I have struggled with my whole life. It makes me very uncomfortable. And so I went back and I told
my husband, I was like, it, I don't think I am because
this video said da da da. And he was like, that doesn't sound like anything that I've heard. And so I researched it more and to come around full, full
circle, found other people who found out that they were autistic after having a child diagnosed. And a lot of those people just were so inside my head, I felt like
that they were broadcasting my life somehow on
YouTube and in literature. And I was like, it's,
it's scary, you know, how, how similar we are, how
similar our stories are. So then I got the courage
to seek out someone who, you know, to get a
diagnosis, which I had learned by that time that, you know,
females do present differently. And so I actually called places and asked them if they knew
about some of the differences with females and the place that
I called said that they did. So I went in, got my official diagnosis, and when I first walked
in, I told her, I said, I told her like, I'm the expert, right? I'm, I'm walking in and paying her money to diagnose me, but I'm telling her. But I told her that, you
know, I was was diagnosed with A DHD, but actually
I think it's autism. I didn't know you could
have both at the same time. I had no clue that you could
have both at the same time. And then when I got my
diagnosis back, it had autism on there and also A DHD still. And I was like, what? But then I started researching it and I was like, yeah, I think
she, I mean I, she nailed it because there were, you
know, parts of both that it, it was, it was, you know,
my, my whole life felt like a scattered puzzle
pieces all over the place that just didn't make any sense. And then when I got that diagnosis, it was like all those
puzzle pieces came together to form a recognizable picture
called autism and A DHD and everything fit so well. And I will say that, you
know, there was a little bit of imposter syndrome I feel
like in, in some regard because it's like, there
are some traits of autism that I don't experience, and there's some traits of A
DHD that I don't struggle with, you know, places where I have strengths and weaknesses with both, which is good and bad in some ways, you
know, it's like the strength of one will cover up deficits of another, but some of the deficits from
the other one will jump in, you know, where I may not have had that deficit if I just
had one or the other. So yeah, the more I
researched it, you know, I realized like, yep,
that fits me perfectly. That's what is going on. And honestly, some of the
statistics show that 30 to 80% of people diagnosed with
autism also have a DHD and nobody's talking about it. That's the thing is that
nobody is talking about it. No. There, there aren't a lot of resources that talk about autism and a
DH ADHD together, you know? - A hundred percent. Yeah. And, and that's why your channel's so great. That's why I love your, I love your channel and what you're doing. And I think, and you know,
just so people are aware, you know, Jen's channel on, on YouTube, neurodivergent talks about both. So obviously as you've heard,
Jen has the, the diagnosis of both my son is the same. And it's, I don't think it's,
I don't think it's unheard of, to be honest with you, with with with most of the autistic community
to have some sort of connection with A DHD. And you're right, it can, it,
it, so exactly what you said, the imposter syndrome comes into play because we're talking about
people with outdated knowledge or stereotypical knowledge that think these things aren't the same or they're too opposite
or it makes no sense, or this or that, or you can't be both. And, and, but that's where it comes from. Imposter syndrome is very
strong with people like you or I, we, you know, we are
part of a lost generation who literally were, were failed
by the medical profession and therefore forced
to suffer for decades. And, and from your point of
view, how do you, how do you view your life pre and post diagnosis? How do you view those two lives? And also how, how is it to be, you know, a woman in modern day,
in the modern day world, in modern day America as
an, as an autistic woman? It's not like you're hiding
it. You've got a channel. I mean, I'd love to know how you, how you looked at your
life before and after and, and how your life is. - Well, you know, you nailed it with talking about us
being the lost generation. And I love that you, your
goal on your channel is to make the world a better
place for people like your son and, and people like my son. Because there definitely needs
to be a lot of stigma removed and a lot more education
about what, you know, autism looks like. AKA doesn't look like anything, but as far as you know, how it goes living with the existence of both and what it feels like, you
know, what life was like before the diagnosis and what it was like after the diagnosis. Like I said before, I just
really thought that I was a crappy human being who just
wasn't doing things right. And now I've realized that I'm not a broken neurotypical person. I'm a perfectly fine
neurodivergent person, and that makes a big difference. I still have all the same struggles. I still have a lot of
the same depression with, you know, the way my mind works and, you know, frustration when, you know, with my communication challenges and, and people not understanding me and just knowing that I'm different, but it let me know that it's
nothing that I'm doing wrong. It's nothing that I need to
work harder on, that I can just, I can fix This is who I'm, and I think once you're able
to just kind of lean back into that, it enables you to
live a little more freely, unmask a little bit more,
meet your needs more. Because I'll tell you, I forced
myself to do a lot of things that really brought me stress and anxiety. You know, like you, you think well being around people stresses me out. I, I should just subject
myself to more of it because eventually I'll,
I'll enjoy hanging out with people if I just keep doing it. And it doesn't work that way. And then you realize like,
hey, this is actually who I am, how my brain is wired and I can say no to social
gatherings more often. So it has definitely
allowed me to take more, make more accommodations for myself. And it has allowed my husband
to understand me better. Because lemme tell you
the misunderstandings and miscommunications we had before I was diagnosed, you know, and you're not looking at me. Does that mean you
don't like me right now? You're not looking. And I
saw that you actually said that you even struggle, you know, with eye contact with your wife. It's not because of her,
it's because of you. It's because of me. You
know, it's not you, it's me. I struggle with eye contact. Or if I didn't want to finish a conversation 'cause I needed time to
process, you know, like, well, why don't you wanna finish this? Do you not like me? You know? So it made a big difference
in every area of my life. It made a difference in my relationship and how I treat myself and
how I view myself, you know? So for those people who say, you've made it this far,
what does it matter? I have no idea how much it matters. And because it matters
a lot, it matters so, so much to understand who you are and that you're not a crappy human being. You were just born with a brain
that was wired differently and you communicate differently. And it's not wrong and it's
not bad, it's just different. So I would say as far as like being a woman living
in America with autism and a DHD, you know,
I, I would say that one of the biggest things is
that it definitely adds to the challenge of being believed. Because like we were saying,
like I was saying earlier, you know, there's a lot of strengths and weaknesses of each that make me seem normal on the
outside, what is normal, sitting on a washer machine. But it, it makes it seem like I am, like I've got my stuff together, you know, because like I am organized,
so I can't be a DHD 'cause I'm very organized, I need routine, but I can be spontaneous. I have a need for order, but I struggle in other areas
of order like, you know, planning and prioritization
and procrastination. That's a huge one for me. I am very analytical and non-emotional despite almost getting emotional with you two times. I am mostly non-emotional. Another issue that my
husband was like, you know, even when my mom passed away,
like I, I didn't really cry. And he was like, are you okay? You know, and it's just like I'm analytical about it, you know? I don't show emotions on my face. My face doesn't show the emotions. I, you know, struggle to
retain information, which, you know, there's a lot of
people out there autistics who just are able to encyclopedic knowledge
about a bunch of things. And I'm like, I'm sorry,
what did you say? Like five? I know you just said five seconds ago, but could you repeat yourself? Because I, I can't keep
it in here, you know? And, and I'm a rule follower, but at the same time I'm a risk taker. So it looks like I'm normal on the outside, but I'm still
very uncanny valley. Like people can tell that there
is something off about me. You know, I'm, I'm talking
with you just fine. And by the way, this is my
very first unscripted video, but I, I'm talking fine with you. Maybe that's just because
you're a fellow autistic, but people can still tell that there's something
off about me in a way that just leaves me left
out ostracized in a way. But it's not enough for people
to be like, be like, oh yeah, you need a lot of grace and
compassion and understanding because you're autistic
and you have a DH adhd. I'm just like stuck in the middle. - Yeah, I mean, from my point of view, there's absolutely nothing off about you. You are, you are just, I
think you're incredible. And I think, so for
starters, let's, I've got, so I've got a couple things
here I've gotta go back on. For starters, you are right. This is probably the best
content you've ever made. Why? Because you are vulnerable
and you are real, and you are providing insights that I can never provide
as an autistic woman. And I, I promise you, because I'm so attractive, women watch me. That's the only reason why they watch. But no, that's a joke. I'm joking. What I'm, what I can promise you, the women watching this
don't give a crap about me. They've gone to your channel already because what you just
did was the most moving amazing content I've ever seen made. When you're talking about your
experience that's factual. So you, you know, your videos, I think your videos are incredible
'cause they're so funny. I love them, you know,
like, you know, I'm, I'm not proud of them,
but they're my stories. Okay, that's a great line. When you were going through
some of your businesses, I'm not proud of them, but they're, but they're my stories, okay? It's like a funniest thing
I've ever heard in life. But you're right, you are
as an autistic person, taken a certain way and, and hopefully this, you
know, the, these, the chats that I have and this
chat I've had with you, we're still going, but provides people with an insight into other
parts of you, which are, which I think are bloody phenomenal. And I'm so happy to hear you
say things like, for example, my wife would be so annoyed if I got emotional on a YouTube video. She's like, what did you, you know, never show emotion, you know? So I can imagine like if
this, if this was reversed, you know, you, you, you, you cried to I Ryan twice never cry. Like I, I can totally
understand those things and I also understand the
things about death and, and grieving and mourning. I think it's very
different. I totally agree. I think, you know, like, like
for me, sometimes it's delayed by days or weeks or months and outta nowhere I can feel it hit me. And, you know, that kind of
neurodiverse relationship, which we obviously both experience. I did two videos with my wife
and I thought they were okay, but I get so many comments
even now, maybe a year or two later of basically
saying, yeah, he just, he doesn't even give her the
respect to look her in the eye. He's not, he doesn't
look her in the eye once it's like, you know what, what is this? Does this, who, how does
she deal with this guy? Like, I mean, the majority, if you go through the comments on my
neurodiverse relationship videos, a lot of them poor her and he doesn't even look
at her in the whole video. And, and I, I look back and
I said, I, they're right. I am a horrible husband. Like, you know, it's
very hard to, to shake that idea when you've
been through a lifetime of not not being diagnosed
and not fitting in. And it doesn't, it doesn't change. You know, these are the things
that are really important. These are the videos that you
are making now that a girl who who'll become a woman
will watch the 10 things. God, I hope that wasn't,
was that my video? And will watch the video
and go, we'll see your video and go, oh crap, this is me. Rather than that crappy
video made by someone who probably wasn't autistic. That's the power of what you are doing. And I just can't wait until you just, you're just crapping on me. Like, I just can't wait until you've got, - Well, I don't think that
that's ever gonna happen. Alright? The people love you, - It isn and it'll,
- They love your, your sense of humor too. You know, I, I just love how
you just go off on people and really that's your sense of humor. I dig it. I love it. It is, it's so hard to be raw and be, you know, transparent like this because I've been used to being
misunderstood my whole life. And so I feel like I need
to script everything so that I can concisely get my
thoughts out in a way that people will understand. And like you said, it's, it's, maybe it's past trauma, right? It's just difficulty feeling, never feeling understood. I feel like if there was
a book written on autism, you could just have one
chapter that had one page and it said misunderstood. And that would be it. That
would be like the entirety of one chapter of what it
feels like to be autistic. So it's hard, but you know, maybe as I go along in my journey,
I'll be able to, you know, unscript be a little bit more vulnerable. I feel like I've already
kind of put a lot out there, you know, I know that there aren't a lot of YouTubers out there who will share their specific stories, their symptoms and stuff like that. But I, I made the conscious
decision to go ahead and do that in the beginning,
even though, you know what, I may never get a job
anywhere, ever again, because I wanted people
to feel less alone. And, you know, and, and
partially it was selfish, right? Like, I wanted to feel less alone too. And I, and I get a lot
of that in the comments, people saying like, oh my
gosh, I do that same thing. And I'm like, thank you, thank you. Letting me know that I'm not crazy and there are other people out there who experience things like me. So, you know, hopefully there,
you know, with the years to come, I'll be able to share even more and be more vulnerable and
yeah, that's the hope, right? Is that in the future
we're able to give tools for more girls to, you
know, women on the spectrum, young girls, to avoid that trap that you and I almost fell down of, you
know, needing this diagnosis to save, save our lives, unfortunately, received much too late. You know, I was almost
40 years old when I was finally diagnosed. And hopefully we can get
this information out there so that more and more people can
avoid what is probably a lot of unnecessary, what's
the word I wanna use here? Help me out. Or Ryan, a lot of unnecessary - No, I, I can't help you at all. - Pain. Yep. - Trauma, pain. Yep.
Experiences. Yeah, that's right. - Yeah. So, so that's the goal. That's why we're doing
this, right? Hopefully, - I mean, the bottom
line is, regardless of what your brain's telling
you, like you are accepted and loved, there's a tribe here that does accept you and love you. And, and I, I totally, and by the way, and also I think you are,
you are really, really brave. And I, I agree with you. I look back on the content
I've made and continue to make and think, oh crap, I've kind of alienated myself from the world here. Like, I, why would anyone hire
me or gimme a job or do this? 'cause I kind of, I don't
know, it's like I don't, I I, I don't pick who I call out. I just call it out or I
don't pick what I share. I just share. And that's
probably a bad thing, I guess. But then I think my
life's a write off anyway. I might as well do the best
for my son. I mean, but yeah. But that, that's, there's brave,
there's braveness in that. There an extent I can't
match personally, I think because, you know, you have, there's bigger expectations
put on a mother and a woman in society. I just think there, there is, and I can't imagine the load
that it is to carry that. But, you know, I really,
I really encourage, encourage, you know, people
to check out, you know, neuro neurodivergent your
channel and, and your content and, you know, reach out
to you and yeah, say hey, and I mean, because it is, it is brave and it is, it is real and
raw and it is important. And it is. I'm just so glad to have, have found you and to have to have connected with you. - Yeah, I appreciate it a ton. And you know, what if,
how does that thing go? If not me, then who, if
not now, then when like, yeah, sure, maybe it's uncomfortable, but somebody's gotta do it. And you know what? I, I hope and pray that there are a lot more people out there who feel a lot less alone
because of you and I crazy or not putting ourselves
out there on YouTube. - Say goodbye Jen. Say
goodbye to everyone. - Goodbye everyone. Oh wait, that's my signature. Goodbye. - That was fun. I really enjoyed that. Please go and check out Jen's
awesome YouTube channel, neuro Divergent for all her stories and tales as life as an
autistic person with a DHD. And thank you so much for your support. Do you have any ideas for collaborations or video topics in general? We'll put them in the comments
below until my next video. Thank you for watching
and we'll talk soon.
