Kingdom Death: Monster - Shut Up & Sit Down Review
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Channel: Shut Up & Sit Down
Views: 537,845
Rating: 4.8001084 out of 5
Keywords: Shut Up and Sit Down, SUSD, SU&SD, Shut Up Show, Shut Up, Sit Down, Board Games, Board Gaming, Family Games, Boardgame, Board Game, Gaming, Tabletop, Fun Games, Quintin Smith, Paul Dean, Matt Lees, Kingdom Death, Kingdom Death: Monster, Kickstarter, Miniatures games, balls
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Length: 29min 58sec (1798 seconds)
Published: Fri Dec 16 2016
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Comparing it to a long prog rock song is pretty much spot on. It isn't for everyone, but those who enjoy it will get a lot of mileage from it.
I thought that was pretty fair. Most of the critiques/issues he brought up I could agree with (scattered rulings, and wandering gameplay direction). I guess my biggest counter to most is that A lot of other RPG systems share the same problems.
+1 I literal lol'd several times.
(Especially the bit about gear being "inevitably" made of "things that you bashed off of the last thing you killed combined with strange items you sifted out of a lake of bile". "Tits n' Death" was also pretty good, with the "nudity and horribleness" and the "weird cousin" and his "soft porn collection".)
Also, did anyone else have like, an OCD panic reaction every time he was randomly strewing (un-sleeved!) cards and miniatures about the table and mixing everything up into a pile?
I can't remember the last time I felt that level of deep existential horror.
I made a long post about this in the board games sub which i cant copy paste here on my phone but to summarise..
I think this game is naturally going to be somewhat diversive. Though what i dont appreciate is Paul focussing so heavily on aspects that bothered him like tits and that hunt deck (which in both cases, he was sort of wrong/stretching the truth in. Like others have stated there are plenty of male genitals and overall gruesomeness which is just the games style). The fact that seemingly more focus on the review was dedicated to that rather than more on the gameplay mechanocs and whether it was fun (which considering he played a bunch shows that it was fun to him) just all feels a bit dishonest and pandering to the crowd of people who are on the fence, because of money, because of perceived sexism, because of time constraints apparently?
I just feel like the 15,000 of us who are into this thing.. Know that we want the game, we know what it is and we like it for what it is.. Death, mayhem, rpg elements, great board game mechanics, coop, replayability, and god tier minis.
I don't know I'm a little drunk right now but i'd love to hear some more discussion about this. As it stands im a little peeved by the way he presented the review and what he focussed on, but i sort of understand as the review probably wasnt meant for the 15,000 of us who like the game haha
I watched the review twice - once before reading how others felt with their response and then again after reading through comments. I feel this was a fair review because I feel he's honest in his response. Many may not agree with it, but others obviously do. Even at the end, he himself says he couldn't recommend it, but he could understand if you focused on what he perceived as high points and elected to jump in. I would even say that he may even feel that it's not quite a "finished game," which it isn't.
Frankly I have a suspicion that there will be those who think the original was the best and all else a dilution, while others will love every variant. I'm just thinking of my awareness of my history. :D
This is an honest review because it is conflicted. This indicates to me that, while it may not be a great game, it is a great work of art because it doesn't quite fit into a clear box. This reminds me of how sometimes I love Pulp Fiction. Other times, I spend time taking it down, only to come round again and just love it. The main point is that the game challenges his critical response and he appears forthright in saying he doesn't quite have a handle on how to describe it. OTOH, just because it is a landmark doesn't mean you should necessarily buy it. Even the creator himself has thought of it as a super niche product and they're both right.
On the tits: I myself am buying now because I have become aware I don't have to have the ridiculous pin ups. I realize some may point out there's a good amount of dick in the game, but let's be honest, these dicks aren't exactly what I've heard described as "beautiful dicks" or "nice cocks" but the sort of dicks that haunt nightmares and Japanese octopus porn, which is, to a point, fine. I quite like Zak Smith's art.
But so far, and I am limited in my experience, I have not seen a repulsive female body or even an average woman. Every woman is stacked like a brick shit house. So far I've seen banging bodies all the way from top to bottom and this irritates women, fairly, because there are many types of bodies and I've had fun with all types of bodies - big tits, small tits, saggy tits, statuesque tits, and it might be be worth recognizing that vision in the minis. Given that he has the latitude to do whatever he wants, it would be nice to see some variation.
And for better or worse, this game does use sex to sell itself, quite openly, and that can feel a bit sleazy to some, because while it may not be the Steve Hicks' bit about a beautiful vagina with a cigarette advertising "Coca-Cola," it has it's moments. I realize there's plenty of male nudity, but male models get paid less for a reason and Playgirl never got nearly as much interest as Playboy, so let's not kid ourselves that somehow the scales are balanced for equality. Hot dude minis simply won't draw as much interest from women as hot chicks will from men, end of story. OTOH, I think gay men will love the hell out of these male promo dancers, so perhaps that is progress? I liked Magic Mike a lot, but the truth is that the audiences usually have way more men than I noticed is all I'm saying - and so I've been told by women and gay men that frequent them. :D
On the other hand, I think that hot bodies could be easy to explain in game - their life is short, so maybe a banging body is small compensation for the likelihood of not living a pleasant life...
And beyond Zak Smith, I love some H.R. Giger artwork, so I would ask, before everyone gets a bit pissy with me, that people take this notion into account, but I should like to see some more abstract exploration of body horror. Yes, we've all seen dicks. But sometimes body horror can be far more troubling when it is distorted and less overt. Yes, we have a shark with a giant penis, but I would say that it detracts from the overall impact because I see it and think, well, that's a great big old cock. It's not particularly interesting but is shocking to a less cosmopolitan sensibility and I could call it fair play to think it a bit boring when a more subtle approach might be more unsettling. There's no direct cock on H.R. Giger's alien, but it's way more disturbing than most everything in Kingdom Death.... And no, I haven't reviewed his stuff lately because so much to see, so much to do, but I think being bored with the cocks and the tits is fair and it could, perhaps, deny the development of obvious gifts and talents into more edifying directions...
In fact, I think Poots should hire Zak Smith, actually. He's awesome.
So is there a reason for having multiple random event cards?
Overall I thought it was a decent review. I know I was a bit nervous watching it because of the concern he would rip it to shreds without looking deeply at the game. But that didn't happen at all ;)
He seemed to respect that this game does make a lot of people happy. I loved the analogy to some of the longer rock songs that go "all out".
I was disappointed though he didn't talk about the armor kits. I think because he got this game from someone else, he wasn't as connected to the process of building your own characters. Especially when you start making custom ones. That is what hooked me on mini's.
I also wish he would have presented a more clearer idea of the rules. I realize its really challenging to do. But talk about how your weapon's accuracy impacts if you hit, and then strength impacts if you wound, and show an example from the wound deck. And also talked more about how the AI deck works and how even a level 1 lion can be pretty different from one to the next.
How much gratuitous nudity is in the core rule book?