Julia Haart On Her Unorthodox Life, Divorce, Strict Religion, & Her Second Season On Netflix

okay we have Julia Hart in studio I could not be more excited to interview you thank you I have stalked you and wanted to interview you so bad because you have such an incredible colorful eclectic story and I've heard you on a lot of podcasts and I don't feel like when you're on them that people understand your story before the show and so I wanted to have you on because after reading your book I was inspired to to tell that story and also of course I want to know what you're working on now but I kind of want you to start at the beginning eight kids talk to us talk to us about that start when you're born where are you born so I was born in Moscow Russia I was born to a couple who were very high up in the Communist Party actually my father was the head of the comsumal which was the youth or Communist party and my father and mother this is pre-gorbachev pre-pereestroika we're talking uh you know literally when it was still the USSR and Brezhnev was running the country and at the time there were a lot of civil rights violations against Jews so the United States government put out a bill call an amendment it was called the Jackson vanic Amendment and basically what it did is it sanctioned countries who mistreated Jews there were civil rights violations occurred so what ended up happening is my parents were told to go around Russia and preach communism right so during version of you weren't actually allowed to travel in the country if you lived in Moscow you had to stay in Moscow you had to get permission to go to another city because they didn't want anyone to realize what a mess the country was in but they thought that my parents were such devoted committed communists that they would not you know be harmed by seeing the rest of the country and to the flip side they would be able to kind of preach communism what ended up happening is my parents became completely disillusioned just became massive anti-communists and started searching for another ism and the ism they found was Judaism and uh they started studying the Torah and keeping Shabbos and you know you know learning about Judaism very secretly because it was illegal at the time to be to have any religion in Russia and uh my father was arrested and we were treated for grain so through the Jackson vanic bill because we were what's called refusenix we tried to get out of the country and we couldn't we were one of the Jewish families that were traded for grain they embar good grain against the USSR and to get the grain they had to release a bunch of juice so we were in that group so we first went to an internment camp in Vienna uh for like six or nine months and then we went to another internment camp in Rome and what are these camps like it was like an actual Enderman Camp I mean you know I was very very little so I don't remember a lot but we lived in fence like you know you see those camps where that's how again I remember and of course I can't call my parents and ask them any for any more details because they don't talk to me but um but they were I mean we lived inside the Vatican like in this area you know siphoned off for us and is this just a holding area until they figure out where to put you exactly they were trying to figure out what to do with us so that's why we were first in Vienna and then they sent us to room and then the way that it worked is if you wanted to go to Israel you could go to Israel if you wanted to come to the United States a Jewish Community had to uh what's the word um adopt you basically they had to take on the responsibility of your uh you know Financial uh you know support until you were able to stand on your own two feet and the U.S government put that policy in place yes okay so uh what ended up happening was because they did it in conjunction with this organization called highest and highest was the one that organized this entire let's call it Exodus from Russia of these Jews and then highest placed us with different Jewish communities so the Jewish community of Austin Texas decided to adopt my family and that's how I came to this country we live in Austin Texas what was Austin Texas like when you got there so not the same no but Texas to me was incredible I mean I loved it everything was clean everything was beautiful it was always sunshine and I hate the cold I am anti-cold and you know I went to this incredible school where we truly I mean the level of Education there was exceptional I was learning you know uh like logarithms I think when I was like in fifth grade so I mean it was just an amazing place to be and I had like a normal American Childhood you know I read Trixie Belden and watched Nancy Drew and it was just amazing and did you recognize right away then like the immediate contrast to where you came from oh absolutely I mean I think to me again I was such a you know I was I was three when we left I was five when we got here my biggest memory of that contrast was between Rome and Moscow Because by the time I came to the United States I'd already been living in Rome and in Vienna so I saw kind of you know normal living but in Rome was the first time I had a pizza ate a cherry I'd never seen a fruit there were no fruits in Russia right it was I mean it was really a hunger people were just trying to get green so I'd never seen a cherry I'd never seen a strawberry so like you know it's just rushing my mind Moscow my mind like all my memories of all the pictures we have it's all great everything is great yeah we just had Paulina porosakova on the show it's what is it two days ago and she was saying like for Christmas they got she got a banana and it was a big it was a big it's a big deal yeah that's a big deal like to get a banana was a Christmas present yep that's what she said I'd literally never seen a fruit well so at what point does religion really start to be a huge theme I mean it sounds like it was very very young but then you're in Austin when is it something that is in your day-to-day so what ends up happening is my parents we go to Austin Texas and there's a lebovich community there and labovich is like one of the Hasidic sects of Judaism and they find out about my family and I have what's called means lineage like you know go back to the 1800s where you know if you are a lord blabbity book and you were you know related to the king 900 years ago you were royalty so there's Jewish royalty okay it's exactly the same kind of concept who you come from who you're born you know what your ancestry is determines your status in the community just like in the you know until the Industrial Revolution and the fall of all these Empires if you were born a surf or a slave or a poor person you stayed that way the rest of your life there was no upward mobility and that exists there as well if you are you know the great great grandchild of some very famous Rabbi you're a blue blood you are a noble you have so did you understand all this when you're this of course of course not no but so anyway so my parents had tremendous egos because my father's great great uncle was this lebovich Rabbi who it got the you know the big leboviche Rabbi that everybody worships and talks about he smuggled his mother out of Europe during the war and he founded far khabad in Paris and Clark about in Israel and Clark about is like The Enclave for Lubavitch so he founded two of the largest enclaves of and he brought out the labava jarabi's mother and so because of that he was a very renowned person in that Hasidic community and so when we came to Russia out of Russia to the United States the Laboratories immediately contacted my father and tried to get close to us and what ended up happening is my parents bought it hook line and sinker they loved it well actually I should not say that my mother bought it her Klein and sinker yeah but if the mother buys it the mother's the Puppeteer that's right and then she dragged my forefather along sounds really familiar to be honest and you know it is very difficult to understand because this is a woman who from kindergarten through her first PhD received a gold medal from the USSR because she never got one question on any test wrong but what I've found sometimes when when someone is so intellectual and they're so in the school system it to me it kind of makes sense that the religion was attracted to her when you're more of an outlier and a rebel sometimes I feel like it's you're not 100 surprised about that exactly so she was incredibly smart I mean she's by far still today with all the you know tens of thousands of people I've met she's still the smartest person I know by far she is when she came to the states she got her second PhD so she has one in philosophy and one in mathematics I mean this is not a stupid person and she chose religion where women are not allowed to educate themselves go figure that out I know you don't talk to her now but if you did you ever ask her when you were little like what what's happening yeah no I never asked because we weren't really supposed to talk about the before that was something very shameful uh but I so what I'm going to say now is just a thought it's the only explanation I can understand as to why she made this decision so have you ever read the book by Yuva Harari um Homo Sapien okay do you know how he quantifies communism as religion sure because it is it says a set of rules if you do it you're a good person if you don't you're a monster and you're going to hell that's religion right and um when I was here in this country I went to Brighton Beach I think I wrote the story in the book and I met this guy this older Russian gentleman and he was bemoaning how much he misses Russia and all I'd ever heard about Russia was terrible you know bad bad bad bad so I asked him what about Russia do you miss like I've never heard anything positive you know what he said to me he said I miss not having to make decisions it's a certainty yeah it's it's defined for your life is already mapped out there's no there's no wondering what's going to happen exactly and the same exact thing is fundamentalist extremist Judaism it's exactly the same can you so I think sometimes when you and you for sure know this when you get pushed back especially from the Jewish Community um and with there's a ton of anti-Semitism going on right now I think like distinguishing between these extreme sex and Judaism in general because I think you know you're not saying that all Jews are like this right and I don't want to put words 100 I think like defining that a little bit because I think it's a sensitive subject and I think sometimes you get pushback because there you had your experience but then it kind of gets blanketly applied to all Jews right so I wanna those are it's a very good question and also I think it's really important to talk about anti-Semitism um so to respond to the first part I have been very very careful and if you know the problem is the pushback comes generally from people who don't actually watch or read what I actually say that's what ends up happening so for example they'll watch the first episode or the trailer make certain you know uh decide certain things and don't watch the rest of the show because if you watch the rest of the show you see that I not only talk about all other sects of Judaism I'm still practicing things of Judaism my husband I had a girlfriend at the time who became his fiance and I praised her to the skies even though because she's a modern Orthodox woman she doesn't cover her hair and she has college degree and I've always been very careful to say that my issues aren't with Judaism at all it's about fundamentalism and the proof that this isn't anything to do with Judaism is those laws exist in every fundamentalist religion Islam extreme Christianity you know you talk about the Mennonites the more politics politics it's everywhere so it isn't anything to do with Judaism I don't think it's authentic Judaism at all and the predominant amount of Jews who live around the world do not practice any of these things and R is removed from that as you are like everybody it's a very small group of people who are treating women this way and even to that group of people they're victims too they're doing what they were taught was right there's no desire to harm and hurt you know there's only this desire to do what they think God wants so that's why we say there are no villains in my story there are only victims I think every person in that community is doing those things because they think it's the right thing to do so what I keep advocating for is to change the laws that comes from a place of love not hate and when we talk about anti-Semitism I mean I'm the most public Jew there is if they're coming for anybody they're coming for me first like just think about it you know to me anti-Semitism is very frightening and I see this trend and you know my daughter who uh you know is very active in the Jewish community and posts a lot and I have both received the most horrific messages on Instagram you could possibly imagine but cheva had two pictures sent to her one is and it was titled Jewish baby carriage and it was you know the structure of a baby carriage with wheels and the handle and instead of the you know the you know place where the baby rests it was an oven yeah that's terrible yeah and you know you guys track down the IP for that that is that is it's really horrible I mean again it's all these accounts that have no you know you don't control accounts and then she got another picture um I think it was a Jewish bedroom no no it was a Jewish shower and it was gas it was like the gas chamber in in Auschwitz um my son got attacked on the street near Columbia University a guy at the time this is last year he was still wearing his yamaka the guy knocked off his yamaka said dirty Jew and ran away um so yeah we are front and center here I think yeah I think like it's it's good for you to clarify because I I think maybe some people in the Jewish Community feel like you know with the rise of your show and as you've become more prominent and outspoken with anti-Semitism On The Rise as well they feel like is this the real time to then also highlight a sect of this community that you maybe disagree with in addition to all the hate that's going on with within again to me asking for change is a is a Act of love right so for example women didn't have the right to vote in this country and they advocated and fought for what 50 60 70 80 years to get the right to vote did that mean they hated America no they wanted to change laws to make them more just what I'm trying to do is make the life of women in that Community better and if all these people read your book they would know that and what happens with your book because I was just like I just Googled before I got in the car I wanted to see like what they're pulling bites without reading the whole book if you read her book she talks about throughout the whole story the theme is her wanting to help women who are feeling oppressed in a community that's extreme well this is happening now more than I mean well I'll say in a second it's happening more I feel than ever now it's like when when somebody's saying something that you disagree with or that fundamentally maybe goes against something that you believe in and you're unable to rebuttal with an argument and address the the points they're making what people typically tend to do especially these days is attack the character right it's because it's a way of Dominic and you see this in politics all the times like instead of addressing the issue that someone is discussing that may have some validity to it they say it's too heavy of a topic that they don't want to take on and so they say well let's attack the character and diminish and discount whatever the person's saying and um but two things happened recently that really gave me hope the first one was and I'm going to leave her name out I don't I have to ask her if I'm allowed to say her name she's a very renowned woman she's one of the leading feminists in this country and um I had a fundraiser in my house because you know I've never been politically active but with the repealing of Roe versus Wade I mean I've lived in a world where a woman's body is not her own I am not going back there so I got very politically active and she came to one of my events and she walks over to me and this is a woman who like you know Kamala Harris is her close friend she's got pictures of every president you could imagine on her walls and she walks over to me and says hi and my name is let's just call her Anna and and she said you know you really changed my life and usually when people say that to me it means they've left their their spouse that was abusive they've started their business they've left some kind of you know trauma or difficulty or they you know I've had two women say that they chose not to commit suicide after watching my show so that's kind of what I was expecting so I said oh wow really how are you ready for this after watching my show she converted to Judaism converted to Judaism because she thought that the Judaism I portrayed in the show was so beautiful that she wanted to be part of that so if someone would actually watch the show they would see that it's incredibly positive to the Jewish Community it shows the vast array of different kinds of Jews and it proves that this has nothing to do with Judaism I also think though there's something about you that grinds especially men's gears because they don't like when a woman tells it how it is and you are you have masculine energy you're a Spitfire you say what you want to say how you want to say it and you you I mean I think maybe since you were feeling oppressed for so long you're like the complete opposite way now and I think that men want to put you back in the Jack in the Box okay first of all yes to literally everywhere that out of your mouth and second of all you guys are incredibly perspicacious I mean wow everything you're saying is exactly what's happened yep men are uncomfortable they're insecure well you know it's funny like friends anywhere I go after is a very very slow she's a very much I was joking around with like this we said this all fair but you and I had actually met before but not in person on Zoom like pre-pandemic early during media days and and and what and I you know you meet a lot of people on a screen and you kind of like especially during that time you're like who was that and you kind of forget if it doesn't carry on to something else but I told Lauren after I'm like I'm like I just met this woman it was like a really wild experience and she's in this like crazy office and like she runs this big company and and then like I told her she's like okay whatever and then later we saw the show and I'm like no I know a woman and like it was you um crazy but like no you you you stand out in a way because I think in a world where there's a lot of people that are so filtered and held back you cut right to the chase you cut to the point you say what you want to say and it stands out but any change that has happened for women I guarantee you there was a Julia heart crusading that and so I anyone who is wondering about you I would encourage them to read your book so that it's so they can really understand where you're coming from um I want to go back to when you were in Austin and when you're in high school in our high school we're smoking cigarettes we're smoking weed out of an apple we're having sex blow jobs the whole thing that wasn't your experience what was high school like are you sneaking around before you're married yeah so um first of all I love this question um I just want to for one second you know I said the two really crazy things happened one was this woman converting the other was again I've been involved in politics and I went to this other political event and there was this Hasidic leader uh who you know was very involved in politics and you know that Community is very involved in politics here in New York especially um and you know he had the whole payus and the strimel the you know the fur hat the whole nine yards and he walks over to me and I'm like oh no I'm gonna get yelled at but I'm a terrible person and blah blah I'm like oh great he walks over to me and he says Julia my wife and my daughters thank you and walked away it's like it's happened but second it just gave me hope maybe my message is getting through maybe there will be change in that Community if a famous classic man can walk up to me and say my daughter and my wife thanks you that says a lot well especially like you said coming from the man yeah I mean I was blown away I could and just it made me it just gave me strength to keep fighting to keep talking to you know to your point you know if you look at the suffragettes they just they weren't just accused of being liars and thieves and terrible people and sucked seductresses and all those you know terms that people love to throw at women they were arrested they were imprisoned just for asking for rights and that's all I'm doing so to your point of what high school was like I want to actually read you something that I someone just sent me you know I didn't have an education right my high school education was abysmal it's real sole purpose was to make us into good wives and mothers and when I said how terrible my education was and that I was not equipped to handle the outside world I got attacked about how many people go to college from base yaakov and how wonderful it is and then the other day someone who's in the community and wants it to change sent me this [Music] every single morning my daughter says the same thing she says only Uno and that means one vitamin in her in her language that means she wants one vitamin she's no she's only allowed to have one she loves them so much and they are by higher health and we've made it like it's her morning routine she knows she's gonna get her higher vitamin and I'm obsessed with this for her because it's zero sugar and zero gummy junk so many of them are filled with sugar but Haya is non-GMO it's vegan it's dairy free it's allergy free it's gelatin free not free and everything you can imagine and it's designed for kids of all ages and comes straight to my door and I'm all about this because it's filled with 15 essential vitamins minerals including vitamin D B12 C zinc folate to name a few and everything is all about like they designed this to support immunity energy brain function mood concentration teeth bones and more so I really like this brand this is the brand that I've told all my friends about my daughter loved taking the stickers out of the first order like decorating they just get it the whole brain gets it and we've worked out a special deal with Haya for their best-selling child's vitamin you're going to receive 50 off your first order because 50 off to claim this deal you must go to highahealth.com skinny and you should know that this deal is not available on their regular website so you're going to go to h-i-y-a-h-e-a-l-t-h.com skinny and you're gonna get your kids the full body nourishment they need to grow into healthy adults the gist of is basically this school puts out this letter saying um we see this trend for girls starting to go to college this is not an acceptable trend for base Yakov our daughters are supposed to be wives and mothers they're supposed to only learn from this religious institution and we do not want any girls coming out of a sack of and going to college even if it's a Jewish college that teaches Jewish subjects it doesn't matter girls should not be going to college and then it says if your daughter is in college please if your daughter intends or contemplates going to college please immediately contact the school or otherwise please sign that your daughter will not be going to college like myself who I mean I guess it would probably be fair to say Lauren can validate this that I was a habitual rule breaker basically since I've been out of the womb um and I've never understood like you know these kind of I when I hear these stories I I always wonder like well why can't you just like tell everyone to f off and go do what you want like what like what I want to know like what is the what is the whole what's like what is the what is the your book your your ear it is I found it in it I found it there it is okay base yaakov right the school I went to um in the last years it's become increasingly prevalent for high school girls to be preparing themselves and working towards a college degree while in high school this is not the reason claudiusrall that's the Jewish people have established basic of schools that's the Jewish the girls high schools for Benoist yourself for daughters of Israel it is not in line with the basic of chronic it is not in line with our education for girls to go to college meaning studying religious stuff does not mean the subjects they are learning uh it means they are connecting and drawing life from One Source only which is Torah meaning they should only be studying from us and from nowhere else it was established to give arbnosisra a direct connection to the Torah and it was to become the sole source of their learning and connection to life and then it goes on and on and on the fact that college courses may include religious subjects or subjects they've already learned does not change the fact that they are in college for all purposes once your daughter has connected herself to college she has disconnected herself from being connected and fully connected to her Torah learning to that and only that which is her only source of life if you're a daughter is presently preparing for or taking any college courses or tests please make an appointment to discuss this with us and then they have Little Dot little boxes that you'll have to check and sign my daughter is not taking any college courses or Preparatory tests and then you have to check my daughter is taking college courses or Preparatory tests I would like to set up an appointment I'm available to me but that should tell everybody everything they need to know I didn't lie I didn't exaggerate base Yakov trains you to be mothers and Housewives and that's it and they do not want you to get higher education so you can't believe this because you can't believe it because you're not seeing it and you're going to say oh well I guess because why can't you leave because it's community so to answer your question which is a great question how do you keep people in line societal pressure so for example go back um you know like you've got Bridger 10 and you've got all these other shows right we also just saw it for the last two years right exactly but like look at Bridgerton right if your family's reputation is ruined no one will marry into your family no one will do business will you you'll be shunned isolated and ignored that's my community if you don't follow the rules no one will marry your children and you feel like and I guess if you're in that community so deeply you feel like there's no other community that'll accept that's right I mean because again you're not equipped to handle the outside world the reality is that most women who come out of the community do not not survive many of them commit suicide they become drug addicts and whereas my community uses that as proof that the people who are leaving are somehow flawed that is absolutely wrong because the reality is we are 18th century women and throwing an 18th century woman into a 21st century world is one of the most disorienting discombobulating difficult things you could possibly do you know there's that uh I remember the name the movie with um Hugh Jackman and Meg Ryan where he falls through a wormhole in time he's like a 17th century or 18th century inventor who invented the elevator and he falls through a wormhole in time and lands in the 21st century and he's like walking around and everything is unfamiliar to him that's what it's like I mean you know people say oh but you read books you did this yes if you read my book you'll see the trajectory I did start watching movies I did started educating myself when I decided I wanted out but you guys deep sea dive um I'm never deep but I've I've been diving you've been diving so you know to go deep you need years of training I think there's only a couple of thousand people donate to the pressure line yeah because the pressure is insane and I think there's only a couple thousand people in the world who could dive under 50 meters so the example I always give people is so when I decided I wanted to leave I spent eight years educating myself watching movies reading books but if you watch a thousand movies on deep sea diving and read a thousand books on deep sea diving can you actually deep sea dive can you no you can't that's what it's like it's a tightly different ecosystem you can watch about it you could read about it but you have to actually live it to understand it and I had not lived a 21st century life I didn't have a boyfriend I didn't go to prom I'd never been to a bar I'd never been on a date with someone I chose when is the first time you actually went on a proper date I was 42 years old and Michael we're not even there yet you don't even understand you you also have to tell us like specific details how you couldn't show certain things the skirt links explain all all of that so in my world a woman is responsible for man's behavior okay so if he sins it's on her so meaning if she wears a skirt that's a little bit too short and the man wants to touch her tit yeah it's her fault or what if I go out and you know misbehave in some kind of way outside of the house if that's your fault as well yes as long as if I attract attract any kind of illicit thought about me that's on me to give you a really big example and then I'll go smaller when Hurricane Sandy happened I was called into synagogue with a bunch of other women and we were told that Hurricane Sandy was our fault what you thought it was the weather you were wrong it was my sheetal I'm not trying to laugh but like it's insane yeah but the the concept was our wigs and again we're already covering our hair we're already wearing wigs right our wigs were too long in our marriage I blame Lauren for a lot I know I could blame her for the weather no give me some ideas so that's what we were told is that because our wigs were too beautiful we were still attracting male attention therefore we were causing men to sin and that's why God sent Hurricane Sandy to punish us and it was our fault I mean it sounds comical but that's literally what I was told my friend in the community and I can play this as well I just don't have much time we have but my friend in the community sent me this video um this Rabbi is going on and on because even he was shocked so he's a more modern Rabbi and he couldn't believe this his daughter comes home from school I think she was not she's nine years old daughter comes home from school nine years old and says hey Abba we learned in school that we're not allowed to walk outside with wet hair a nine-year-old can't walk outside with wet hair why so he asks her what and you ready for this because if a man will see a young woman with wet hair he may think where did she get with the wet hair the shower and then he may think of her naked and then he will have battleless-a-thons this is what she's fighting against just if anyone's unclear this is what she's fighting against this this is so outrageous you can't even believe it listen I don't need you to have wet hair for me I mean that is like as someone that's very much an oversharer my entire life and beat to the tune of My Own Drum and do what I want that is crazy yeah to me it is and you know all your life has to be so small because for example you have to be covered head to toe right because your body could attract a man you can't sing in public because your voice could attract a man you can't dance in public because your voice could you know you can't do what I'm doing be forward facing in any way shape or form because men may see you have bad thoughts and then you are The Sinner and you have to wear the bag right you have to wear a wig once you're married no person is allowed to see your hair uncovered and that's the law now there is something called which is like an addition to the law like an added you know if you really want to be good right and this particular this particular Edition we were taught that if we do this particular Edition we will have righteous children and if we don't our children will be born flawed and what was it that the walls of your own house should not see your nakedness meaning even when you're sleeping you need to be covered head to toe hair covered body covered the walls of your house should never see your nakedness you have to be covered 24 hours a day every day of your life until the day you die why so that a man shouldn't have a thought about you can I can I ask you maybe an ignorant question because you know I think it's fair like Judaism in itself is a beautiful religion with Todd has a ton of great morals and I think sets a lot of great examples like what is the history of this particular sect like how did this come about is this how this is I'm assuming it's not how it started but like how does this favor a question ever so I talk about it in my book because I did have that dichotomy because if you look at the actual Concepts and precepts of Judaism they're beautiful loving-kindness you know we learn our rights not through a Bill of Rights but through a bill of responsibilities you learn what you're responsible for before you learn what's coming to you so the focus is always on your own self-personal responsibility which I think is beautiful right agree in Hanukkah I mean sorry in in Halloween you go around and you trick-or-treat and you ask for candy on Purim you go around and you give candy so there's always this Focus sorry guys there's always this focus and this emphasis on giving you give candy right the emphasis always on giving on taking care of others um it's an you know when my brother was killed when he was five years old the way the community came together and took care of my family I mean we had you know some of the wealthiest men in the community sweeping my parents floor you know there's so much kindness there there's so much Community charity uh you know there's this whole thing about uh rophey Holland that you're supposed to visit the sick so there's this massive movement of people who come on The Daily and visit complete strangers to me there's just such an emphasis on giving on you know being a kind and good person so how do you meld that with these laws that keep women down and that was a really difficult question that I had how can you connect something that is intrinsically magnificent to something that caused me to almost want to you know kill myself and that keeps women down and it really bothered me until I read a book about the six inventions that changed that shaped history this very small book really brilliant and it brought up this concept which is a scientific concept but I extrapolated it into religion because it's the only thing that makes sense to me so did you ever hear of the adjacent possible okay so the adjacent possible is this uh scientific theory that explains why inventions always occur in clusters so for example when Nikola Tesla is inventing electricity in Europe Thomas Edison is doing it here when Alexander Graham Bell invented it was inventing the telephone in America um there was Marconi in Italy developing the telephone and there is no exception to that rule for some reason throughout history all inventions occur in cluster all of a sudden five people invent the same thing and so the theory of the adjacent possible elucidates why that's so and what it says is we as humans are only capable of comprehending that which is adjacent next to our current possible what we know and understand in our world so what does that mean that means in 11th century they could not have imagined a television because first electricity had to be created olfacti lenses had to be created uh photography had to be created it was so far removed from their current possible as to be unimaginable but once something is invented now it becomes adjacent to the current possible and then all of a sudden 10 people have the same idea so that's why inventions occur in clusters because we can't conceive of something that is so far away from us just like they couldn't Envision airplanes you've heard about that in your book I did I remember that yes and and so what you're how are you saying to religion I know you said it in the book but can you say it again absolutely because I think it is a very important point because let me be very clear Judaism is beautiful it's genuinely beautiful um well I think my my takeaway is okay let's just imagine for a minute that there is God and that he did come down to some manifestation to humanity to teach us right and wrong okay these deep complex moralistic rules that pretty much all of the world follows you know and we are the you know the parents of every monotheistic religion that there is right and so if you look at that let's think about the life that they lived at the time you were a woman alone a Marauder was gonna scoop you up a wild animal would eat you uh you know uh coming an army that was going through would rape you as a woman in those days by yourself you earned injure women did not lead anything they did not run anything they did not own anything and so when God gives these big giant esoteric you know incredibly beautiful moralistic codes what do the people have to do they have to translate it into actions into set of rules and those rules were connected to the world that they lived in so you know uh in Judaism they always say oh but three million people received the Torah that's actually not accurate right because even in my religious teachings even in my extremely Orthodox school what we were taught is that everyone in the all the Jews three million people heard I am God and do not make anyone else your God the first two Commandments and then they couldn't handle God's presence they all died God had to resurrect all of them and so they went to Moses and it's in the Bible that they go to Moses and say we can't hear the word of God you go up to heaven and come down and give us the laws right very convenient so in the end it's still one guy telling the world What God Says okay and think about the time that they lived it in the time that they lived in just like they couldn't imagine a television or an airplane they couldn't imagine a world where women could live alone and be safe where women would be leaders and captains of industry and run countries it was as unimaginable to them as everything else in our world right it was too far removed from their adjacent possible so they built their laws their rules on what was considered moralistic and normal for their time in their time women did not live alone women were covered because if you weren't covered someone would come and rape you right so that's the problem every other religion has realized oh you have to evolve at the Times exactly except for this sect this sect still keeps those laws even though the world in which these laws were practiced is so far different from the world in which these laws were made as to have been unimaginable to the people who made it so I know you're tight on time right now so I want to jump because we are obviously your show came out and you highlighted a lot of your life and a lot of what happened in a lot of the transition and now you have this new season but in the first season you know you're happily married you're out this season looks a little bit different now from what I can see you think and our daughter's happily married in the first season you're happily married in the first season and now it's a different it's a different thing guys I feel so bad by the way I'm so sorry I mean we'll do it again so everyone in the audience we're going to do a part two because I have six million other questions about your book no no so I think you know like one people should watch the first season and see and like obviously you've just Dove deeper into a lot of the stuff that you are you are articulating in the show but the second season I feel like is a completely kind of like different look different life a lot of the same stuff still going on but you're in a different period now yes you know it's funny because I mean not funny like haha funny uh more like oh my God I can't believe this is happening to me again kind of funny so you know I thought in this world in the 21st century world right not my old world but the my new world that women would be treated equally to men I really did I genuinely believe that um and this year has proven me wrong in so many ways that it's basically been drummed into my head that we are in big trouble uh first there was the repealing of Roe versus Wade and then there was what happened to me the reality is let's just look at facts I took I became CEO of a modeling agency that was valued at 70 million dollars right I have the documentation within two and a half years from April 2019 until September 2021. Jeffries Bank valued us at 1.1 billion dollars that is 70 million to 1.1 billion through covet through covet without a dollar of investment I built avatars and metaverse in 2019 when no one knew what I was talking about and in fact we were in the process of taking the company public I wasn't even allowed to put it in the presentation the Banker's like Julia no one's going to know that's when we connected that's right nobody understood what I was even saying so I built avatars and metaverse in 2019. we created a digital an entire digital structure I signed on because I realized that the talent is the media they have the audience so it's not about the runway or the billboard or the magazine it's all about the digital the digital presence they're the new NBC CBS ABC they have the audience say that a little louder a few more times so so to me I realize that what we are is actually a media company and we have data of over 2.2 billion viewers and so I started aggregating that data utilizing it to help Brands sell their product to people who actually like to buy it and we created this entire Global Media company and then you know February 3rd so my uh Sylvia and I our plan was I asked for a divorce in January of 2021. and uh by April he was basically out of the house he rented a place in Mexico which our company pays for thank you very much and basically moved out of the house because the idea was he said let's not get divorced until we go public it will mess with you know people don't like it when the founders are fighting when Mommy and Daddy are fighting let's wait until we go public and then we'll get a divorce but then there's Omicron came and so just things got delayed and I just did not want to be married anymore so we decided we're just going to get the divorce and the plan was February 14th we were going to announce to the World on Valentine's Day that even though we're getting divorced we're keeping the holding companies together we're staying business partners everything's going to be copacetic we just don't want to be married anymore we have a different kind of love and then February 3rd I find out that a million and a half has been siphoned out of our shared account into this business called shs which he founded with our money and then took out a freedom holding when I found that out I was like I'm done I can't I want a divorce and I don't want to be your partner anymore I've had enough Thursday and Friday he sends the time trying to convince me to stay his partner and I still say no and again I have all of this evidence on Monday I'm a thief and I'm a liar and I'm a monster in this from Friday please please stay my partner to Monday you're a thief and a lie and I thought and then he went out and said I stole this and I did that and I thought to myself there's no one going to believe that the man was married to me is he literally think that anyone's going to believe that he didn't see my closet he didn't know I was just such an absurd accusation not to mention the fact that my name is not on a single piece of paper to a single auditor to a single accountant never had I once once in the company said this should be paid by that and this should be paid by that never I would send everything in they would decide where it went that was it and it's provable so I genuinely thought that people would laugh when he called me a seductress that I seduced him into hiring me that's giving that's giving your fundamental Jewish Vibes but that's exactly and the funny thing is we met for 45 minutes what kind of Seduction did I manage in a 45-minute meeting and I don't know if you could do that I might want you to touch my wife right exactly I'm sorry not make me an amazing person and how did I seduce him let's think about and even the court that decided against me acknowledge this he did promise me 50 50 when we got married right and I found out January 2021 that there was one share less that means in the beginning of our marriage before we were fighting when it was all love and La Dee Da he had no problem cheating me and telling me I own 50 wow no no I didn't even have that I didn't have 5149 I just had the common shares I found out that I didn't have the that I didn't I wasn't actually an equal partner in 2020 in uh literally almost a year later when we started the going public process I didn't want to work with someone I was like well we're Partners I don't want to work with them we can't work with them he's like no actually you aren't you don't actually own any piece of the company because yes I gave you 50 shares but then I issued myself all these other shares that negated your shares and made them completely not valuable and and he's admitted to that like that's out there so when he was massively in love with me he had no problem pretending that I was part owner accepting all my work without a salary I never got a salary because I thought I was co-owner taking my work I worked 20-hour days I built the company meanwhile all the while knowing that I don't own a piece right and that's when I found out about in 2020 that's when he said okay let me give you the shares I promised you so that's my seduction I seduced him to what cheat me so that I would work for free for all these years and get nothing out of it does that sound like I'm the seductress or he is this was obviously he had many other successful Ventures outside no no he only had the only he was very successful uh in selling fast web okay yeah yeah that's right and then every other business since then has failed which happens 150 million dollars down the tube over 500 million dollars lost at La Perla sold for one Euro you know the next company he invested in 17 million dollars they threw him out he had to relinquish his shares he has not had a single successful business in the last 11 years not one he made 700 and some odd million Euros which translated into a billion dollars and he lost it all when I married him he had eight million dollars in his bank account well that's it show your heart you've uh you got a lot going on I'm gonna harass you again though to come back yes I'm so sorry no worries just tell us where to find you where to find the show please come and watch season two on December 2nd on Netflix my unorthodox life and please pick up a copy of brazen uh which is sold in any bookstore or Amazon near you now I really got to tune in now that we have this kind of context take a selfie in your audience thank you for doing this

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Length: 51min 46sec (3106 seconds)

Published: Tue Dec 20 2022