Journey Home - JH in Sweden - Marcus Grodi w Prof. Alf Härdelin and Ulf Samuelsson - 01-17-2011

hello and what the dirty home I'm your host Marcus Grodi some of you may recall we featured a roundtable episode from Sweden which featured Professor Alf hare Dolan discussing John Henry Cardinal Newman's motto to be deep in history is deceased to be Protestant the professor works at the University of Uppsala the well-known Swedish university town and he sat down with us to tell us in depth about his conversion it's wonderful to have you professor here to the program this program will for over 10 years I've had the great privilege of interviewing men and women and their journey back to the Catholic faith we've done a lot of our programs of course in America we wanted to make sure people realize it is just an American phenomenon there are men and women returning to the Catholic Church around the world and that's why the great abilities of joining with you I always ask my guests to kind of back up and start at the beginning so if you would how about a little summary of your early spiritual journey I am the eldest child of a Lutheran minister they call them they call themselves priests priests and I'm the oldest of five children as a child we lived far up in the north in in the forests very poor people and my childhood was rather dramatic many poor people and Lord not snow so my mother was in practice the nurse there because there wasn't there was no doctor there there was the nearest doctor was 50 more than 50 kilometres away and the nearest hospital was 120 kilometers away so that is that was a very dramatic then we move down to not not far from Stockholm to the suburb because all of the school problems we had to cut schools so I went to school here and stuck or not far from here and Norrell a genius token I made my final years there and I was not a bad I was a bad boy school I was not I was interested in all things except school thanks so I I went twice in the class and and was hopeless in school that changed when I came to the University when I could start what I wanted to study but before that I when I was 18 years old I went to summer meeting Christian summer meeting and experienced I think conversion and I then into a group of friends who were all of the high church thought there was the boss then in industry Sweden a high church movement very similar to the annual Catholic movement in England and with much inspiration from them familiar and so I was converted and I considered from that day myself as a Catholic you know as the Anglican Seligman say there are Catholics you are Roman Catholics and the New York Catholics they say Sarah it wasn't Sweden I thought I was a member of a branch of the Catholic Church and I have never been a loser in my in my thought my thinking I have never been a law through because the conversion brought me into the Catholic Catholic theological tradition you were still Lutheran officially now I belong to the Church of Sweden which was officially but I in my thinking was I have never I have never cared for Lutheran I never how did your father feel about you he was the mode III influenced himself that after me he was a turn to hide chessmen after me on Matan but he wasn't good good lovable Swedish judgment know at that time you you considered yourself Catholic and that's like the anglo-catholics would have had a similar thinking how did you feel about the Pope oh I think that the remarkable fact with this conversion was I have thought of it many times was that I have never said anything against Rome against the Roman Catholic Church as most people in Sweden did of course Catholics were considered Christian sometimes sometimes I had a school friend who who who said they are not the Catholics are not Christian that was the common attitude among their church of features people in Sweden their time we experienced that in America - you know but I have never I am from that moment in 45 when I most converted I have never criticized Rome or or said anything engaged but I studied after some years and of the military service I came to Uppsala in 49 started started with a study of theology in order to become become a priest and that was to me very great experience I had a teacher for instance one professor for instance who who lectured about the Church Fathers that was an experience because we had never heard anything about them before and and I myself I went to the Catholic Church here no not not this one but another in Stockholm and bought my first Catholic books and I remember the first Catholic book I read was in German one by professor Karl hard I'm in Subang and famous that's reasoned eschatology smooth and he cured me from all liberal theology is that the spirit of Catholicism his book spirit of Catholicism yes yes oh yeah well recognized I read that in German as West Edwin still it's cool okay and he that is a directed against Harnack the great German liberal theologian and he cured me that cured me from modernist liberalism before for my life that's a great book we recommend that many times did at that point I mean first of all you early church fathers you said was a big stage for you that you hadn't read before did that you're Catholic even though you're still state Church you're right the early church fathers did that start pulling you towards Rome at that point you were and then of course Father Adam yes and so I entered the the serious meanness that was ordained in 54 and served in the countryside in the Diocese of Stegner's from the before Christmas time 54 to 58 when I went to England to prepare my my doctoral thesis we had decided that this should be my theme of my or my dissertation as I went to think you know let the audience know what your theme is going to be yes that is my thesis which that is my doctor's thesis and I started preparing that in and and went to Birmingham to the human archives and to Oxford Pusey house and other places in Oxford and and then I put it when I returned home I had got a scholarship for in Uppsala so I returned to sorta left my parish and returned with the family to epsilon and I have a family since 54 I want to tell them because the the title of his thesis was the tract Aryan understanding of the Eucharist once you tell the audience of significance of that the tract Aryans yes understand of Moses won one title of the Oxford movement not to mix it up with the Oxford group movement right so he was a tractor because and they are called trekked Aryans because their main publications were checked for The Times checks for The Times Newman wrote many of them and and he also wrote wrote the last one trick 90 which was a scandal and was considered as Catelyn when it appeared in 1841 a bit too Catholic right it became Catholic later because but he there he their interpreted the Anglican formula is 39 articles etc in so as not to exclude that the the Council of Trent and that was of course a scandal in in that in Velen of that day well when I worked with Newman and the tech areas I also came to see more and more that my position as a Catholic and the Cheshire Sweden was impossible it was as impossible as for you to be an Anglican and think that you are a Catholic in the Church of England so he helped me to convince me that that that if there are no branches I don't know Brown just you know their captain branch theory but they are no branches so so I have been so strong as to start thinking that there weren't branches there were breakaways right I realized then that that I would never return to a parish but it took some years to to mature to make it so I was received formally 63 August 63 did your family come with you they did not I had then I had then two children I have now fortune 700 and I wouldn't turn Catholic I in there until just 10 years ago now so I had to wait for her 35 years about but I have never pressed her I haven't oppressed her she went with me but suddenly it was clear even to her that it was her place in the Catholic Church so we are both Catholics now it's it's been becoming Catholic you've what have you done now your professor yes I when I returned and I had the disputation doctors disputation in 65 two years after my reception and what should I do I couldn't return to swing and what should I be a high school teacher what should I be I I had been a librarian and librarian in the university life while I was right in this book I was my behind my wife was also a library at the University Library in epsilon and so I wrote this in nights and evenings after having full time as librarian and and after my disputation as we say I God came to send Association Swedish this assistant professor in the theological faculty which also I wasn't the first I was in fact the second Catholic to become to get a post at the theorem perfectly but it was very unusual because this rule was all all teachers professors and assistant professor at the faculty where were you three nothing oh nothing or nothing yes that time seven or eight professors with chairs all except two were were ordained in the Church of Sweden and two were and I became then to set the center as in Germany intercept and I have taught that in in the theory faculty all the all the time since 14 since 66 and after my retirement so you were their token Catholic I have been been in my field is church history with particular emphasis of liturgy and spirituality said such things I have taught historical theology historical geology and the best thing of course to convince people of the truth of catholic catholicism mr. Chichester well let me ask you that because Newman made that statement yes to become deep in Henry's it seems to be Protestant I need not pitch I need not preach it's just enough to to state the historic effects we'd love to ask you some history questions too professor about that a large number of our audience doesn't know about the sources of Catholicism in Sweden yes you talk a bit about that we we have had bishops here Catholic bishop share who speak about us as an immigrant church and I think that is rather mistake because the Catholic Church came to Sweden in eight 830 with Saint Anne Scott who was the apostle of Sweden and at least since since the the former millennium me what you say in English there has been a Catholic Church in Sweden for at least 500 years before the Reformation 500 years and in the Swedish if you go on our right you can see some still some 1000 churches which were originally Catholic churches built during the Middle Ages they are now all of course president right but they were built and with many many of their they have been well preserved as room with beautiful paintings next year we are celebrating this Jean Church painter who died fifteen hundred and nine just before the Reformation who has painted some 30 churches in this area around Lake Melanie raw preserved very well but most of them are very well preserved so that you can go round and look at these churches with paintings and brilliant various prejudice from the Middle Ages the old guru does the three yeah sometimes yeah yeah we have three hundreds of them as relationships which is different than let's say what happened in Germany or England after the Reformation and so we have never had purchased since we have never had pure that Academy rest and Luther Lutheranism has been rather conservative in liturgical matters it was considered idea for a unimportant things that could be preserved and they have been preserved to a great extent they were thrown out of the church's lake but not the third information but during the 18th century during the Enlightenment they were some of them were destroyed and some of them were these things were whitewashed yeah they have been restored you have the marvelous thing that leads them to as well as America I mean had the same thing in America so that the yeah you can go around in Sweden and look at these old Catholic churches which are the greatest and preserved roughly roughly as they were at the time of reformation that of course they have taken away our altars except one in which cases behind us there's a picture of a saint in a Sweden a Saint Brigid yes of course the Birgit - yes I have I have I have written about her spoken about her and translated her into Swedish the selection of her revelations I published it was published at the Jubilee year 2003 because she was born we think thirteen hundred and three so it was centenary and with the I had also organized a symposium scholarly symposium international in watts Tina where her monastery was built with speakers from I think 11 countries from USA from Canada it seemed like there was a resurgence of interest in that because yes and biggie biggie Teresa was a marvelous woman exceptional in her knowledge in her courage in her strength she will is that was a mother of was a mother of eight children of whom one became a brother you must said I want you daughters became sisters nuts and what is a little bit of her history did she did she become a religious later in life if that's what happened with her did she become a non later in life it was have she what she was never become a nun she she went to Rome in 1350 and and did never return to Sweden but he mushy she wrote her the rule the bittitan rule and organize prepared her convent in watts Tina while in Rome together with his daughter Katharina Catherine who after the death of of the Asik Bonita in 1373 she returned with a group of Swedish priests and pagans who estate will begin in Rome returned to Sweden and started building the monastery which is a remarkable building you can see it still yes the church industry another monastic the old Abbey of course it is intestine in in the Middle Ages but fabric is still standing with many many pictures when any furnitures from that time it said there are businesses gain involves Tina but they they are not and they are they have built a new new church and you wanna see a new continent so big it is one of the famous Catholics from Swedish Middle Ages but she's not the earlier there are plenty of them now of important switch from the Middle Ages who who are known after to the end to know the missionaries tells about tell us about a few of them go ahead professor tell us about a few of the famous ones from the Middle Ages they particularly one or two you like to point out having our schedule was indifferent he came 830 from from from first from France from - Sweden but his mission was not very successful the real start the real start because it is to be around at the beginning of the 11th century when Sweden the king of Uppsala was baptized and there were English Michener's Benedictine monks coming here st. Davids st. Siegfried st. esketh we have a city called excuse - now that is similar to you yeah not far from here those arms changes whether it's a community there are many many important important people in the medieval Catholic Church and I often try to remind our Catholics our our immigrants we have the most Catholics in Sweden our or either from from from perrilyn or from Czechoslovakia from from Yugoslavia there they are Croatia etcetera and the later from from Latin America Latin America and down from Asia we have Catholics in Swedish congregations from all over the world they are coming here and I try to say to them you are not the first Catholic Sangha but we have a long long Catholic history and the Catholic Church once created the Swedish language as a wonder about that because often when I hear about German missionaries coming in well I'm wondering what language did they speak when they came to communicate the gospel to people they found in jeopardy they had interpreters of course okay watch them but the Swedish language as a written language and in cultivating language that was created by these early Catholic Christians during the Middle Ages particularly advanced in hobby because that was suppose there was you know a convent of sisters ethical mentor brothers and the brothers particularly but not even some of the other nuns translated things and read things so they they gave the Swedish language it's its first written reform probably translating the scriptures yes they translated the series of of Catholic classics like from from mattel from Latin into Swedish or from German into Swedish and thus yes they are the real creator of the Swedish language the strain our brothers and the majority of sweets probably don't realize that they've got their written out of church if you speak to the scholars they now know that just as I say that that Swedish language was created it not still in its written form and it's fairly modern form it's like you mentioned to me before the program that that modern scholars are recognizing that and Middle Ages wasn't a Dark Ages yes that sarah said particularly julian enlightenment and already at the renaissance many said so but but a couple of years ago first shift thought you was dead you know with the first ship yeah for someone's birthday or favorite art historian here's taco colleagues and gave him a Festschrift with the title the the light.the the medieval lightest of the the bright mid-leg is the brightness and and I think that that art historians that they are now recognizing this a great time of learning and education and as I said we are now preparing the celebration of this painter from the end of the 15th century beginning of the 16th century well professor thank you so much for sharing your journey with us appreciate that and and your you're also an inspiration for us in your becoming really Catholic right not just Catholics but real Catholic so thank you very much for joining us on the journey home thanks for staying with us old Samuelson's love of good music increasingly led him to the catholic church a director of church music his first exposure to the Catholic faith was handling the me PPP for Catholic Church he's now also the music consultant for the Diocese of Stockholm Oh welcome to the journey home thank you it's great to meet you oh and we have many things in common besides the fact we're both former Lutheran's now Catholics but we both have a great love for music as I know that your environment is involved with that now I would and each journey home I asked the guests to begin by starting at the beginning and givin the audience a little summary of your early spiritual journey okay I'm born in 1959 in the north of Sweden more than thousand kilometers from Stockholm north direction north in a Lutheran priest family my father was priest in the look around his father was a my father yes and also my grandfather in that we in Sweden called the Swedish Church yes it's a not a good name but they called the Swedish shirt that means the Lutheran big Lutheran Church the still in church state in Sweden and I grew up in a very nice family with a five smaller children no no children sisters and brothers yes yes so I the oldest of six okay and my mother was at home and we are small it's not very good for me and I go to church every Sunday with my parents and so and then I I figured that with a father as a Lutheran pastor you were catechized well you learn the faith well you would assume your father was a pastor yes and and I was in very in the beginning when I was very small I was very interesting on music so I started play piano and violins and so when I was 7 6 7 years old and I sing in the she required in the ocean so as many other priests child in Sweden sir and yes on this way it was and we moved around five years on this place and for five years or four years on another place - mostly in yes typical neutral priests not know but back and then we mostly no freedom yes and I the tradition perhaps we can call it a little like high shot many people know how short the Anglican High Church and it's the same with Anglican Lutheran High Church Lutron in Sweden so very high emphasis on following the traditional Lutheran liturgy with music can robes yes as a high shot is in in the Swedish church today a stay more near due to the real Catholic Church than the normal nutrients right and so and it's yes so I grew up in this good good how to say up growing yes good upbringing and good categorical training yes your faith then I come to Stockholm when I was about 20 21 years old for studying on the Royal music University here in Stockholm church music I was sure when I was 20 years that my I that my future was used to be a church musician and I met a girl in my class who was Catholic and it was the first Catholic young people I met have met the record no sweetness was never see a Catholic was okay so and I was very interesting of the Catholic Church and asked her a lot of things and on the way it was so that in the one of the two biggest Catholic parishes here in Stockholm they need a church musician and they asked her but she doesn't know it's not for me she said but I have a friend in my class who I think he's very interesting he can be good so in this way that way it was so I begin 1981 as colonist and choir leader in sancto FINA the biggest church in Stockholm in the in the city near the castle the royal castle in stockholm here not so far away from this place and I was there five year during the Antilla my studies church musician studies here in Stockholm was let me ask you here was the the transition from playing for the Lutheran worship yes very different not too plain for the Catholic minute no the the Swedish Lutheran Church after the Reformation they don't put their hold the hold the literally you can you can say so so so if you go in a Lutheran Church in Sweden many people's who come from abroad think it is it's a Catholic Church it's very similar with with the often mean strands and so perhaps not bells and so but it can can also have been sons oh so it's it's not not it was not a big difference okay and I wasn't Catholic but it was no problem for the Catholic parish so I I what are five years and have five very good years and I going also during this period when I was 21 ready to convert converting or how to say conversation conversion our conversations come no and when you convert it oh yes conversion yet a course okay trying the case for to be for be Catholic yes but many opposite many small things wandering wandering wonder do that I don't take the step 1982 was it but I stay there until 1986 and then I left Stockholm and have a hundred percent works in a Lutheran Church in South parish in South Sweden but after that when I I not take the step took the step to the home to the hell judge I have thinking about it and also my wife perhaps not every day but at least every week from 1982 and for shall we do shall we not was also so and it and 9 2006 we say no we cannot no we cannot wait longer we must go even if it's perhaps be problem for us to stay as musicians in the Lutheran Church so so we take this step what were the big you had a few things that were standing in the way back then what were those yes it's it's a small thing one thing perhaps it was my father was priest in the Lutheran Church I grew up there and if I be Catholic I couldn't go to the Eucharist to my own father and he shall not be angry on me if I have done it but it was some feelings in me so so it was one not be but one small and other what that I am grow grow up in the country of Sweden also not in a big city in the north and I liked it so and I have it worse case starting in stock combat but living in Stockholm is healed and I saw no it was not my good for me I thought so I and and then it was so that if I from Stockholm it was no possibility to have Catholic works as a musician in the Catholic Church right it's not yes no no is it possible but for 25 years it was only in here in the door and inside the area they could pay sure yes so I and this was not a big but that's some small like three issues there when you're making a conversion the same thing in America well yes especially for I the work that I do in America is I work with Protestant ministers who become Catholic well when they make that journey there's theological problems yeah but there's sometimes practical is yes yes are you going to support your family yes those are important yes and it was also so that I as many other high church people in the literature think thought that perhaps in the future we can Union weary you know yes or we think manifold I've thought also perhaps that my place I was born in Sweden and here is the big shot the Lutheran Church and it's no I'm born here and it's perhaps my place to stay there and do the best and so but often no it's not possible it's it's the Roman Catholic Church yes so your wife came in with you yes yes so it's just well it's no problem she was always Lutheran - yes yes from the beginning yes okay so the same journey what about were there any theological problems for you in becoming Catholic from your theall your Luther not bringing no no problem with many people think about Maria also no no problem and it's it was one of the reason that I have very big problems to to pay to the Lutheran Church and be a member of the very small nationalist National Church politicals decide everything and the beach of some more like give them man's they have not nothing to say it's most for the clothes and so for the ceremonies and so so so it and and this that and that the Catholic Church was the Worldwide Church and it was the first church jesus grounded to short once only once and it was the Catholic Church and and then the Swedish are come five 1500 years later and when I think you about that it's it's no it's not possible to stay there longer yes now so you know you're involved with music in the Catholic Church yes I'm still organist in the big Lutheran Church in my town or a broom in the middle of between Stockholm and Gothenburg and and I can stay there and the parish day and they like me and so so it's okay for them there so but no I have I have to say I'm free from this for for / you'd yes so I have half 50% and then I have a work on a new work on the Diocese of Stockholm the Catholic Diocese of Stockholm as on 75% as we call it in Swedish music consulate I don't know in English I was the consultant yes music for the diocese all right sighs Irish is the ricotta put for how to say you you put your stamp on good music or bad music yeah yes yes and and and they give I don't find the word some directions at me you know I was wondering both that in America for example after the Vatican Council yes not because of what was said in the council but because of what happened happened that a lot of different ideas came into the church about music and the place of music and what kind of music and what's appropriate music are you fighting those same battles here in and Sweden when it comes to music in the Catholic churches yes I think many things perhaps not be as the intention of the second right what was but I think it's in my way in my opinion better now than when I was here for 25 years in yes more Gregorian training gregorian chants chants and and not so many experiments yeah and it's so i think it's perhaps little slow perhaps but back on a more normal way with with many things but not not only on right do you so then that's probably what your work is here in the diocese is overseeing yes erection of the music in the diocese yes and inspirited the choir you know leaders and the choirs we have not so many choirs many parish catholic patients we know yeah not so small but they have not so much money and they have all perhaps only am and they do it with they have another work and do it on the free time and they need help and the courses you say courses and smaller education for helping them to conducting and play organs and so on and and that's my thoughts things like this I salute especially organ I in America we have a shortage of Organists and that's always a problem of getting our young people to learn how to play the organ because we have these churches with organs that need to learn out of play so it's still a problem here yes if this and also in the Lutheran Lutheran Church that it's when I starting for 25 years ago it was much more more who's searching to the to the school then let's know so it's a little problem but it's a lot a lot of Catholics I think Rafael Goya was shorter course we started in in or in September and many of them are young well that's a great I think the church should be even funding it more because I think if we like you said it's coming around again and I think in America I'm seeing that there's an interest in Gregorian chant again in parishes which is great so young people are learning chant and maybe they'll learn organ but it's still got a long way to go but yes seems to be a positive thing but similar here in Sweden right are you seeing a rebirth of some of the interest in that yes it's difficult to say but yeah perhaps we have a person who are interesting in the Catholic Church perhaps not so many but but there is and also young people now in the high church Lutheran yes is the music similar as in the Catholic Church yes yes also in the Lutheran Church in Sweden is it a lot of Gregorio yeah music perhaps much more than in other Lutheran churches in other countries they how do they receive and they don't get it away when after the Reformation yeah behold they behold the look like sure to hold it so so it's not a big difference so one thing I've noticed that in Sweden you didn't seem to have the the demolishing of the Catholic traditions during the Reformation that happened in Germany were in England it was a much more the break was much harder in for example Germany then he Sweden right yeah so and we also have a king hundred two hundred fifty years after the Reformation who tried to bring it back bring it back but it's crashed but he tried so so I'm so yes and people so so many Catholic have to say I DS and so still is in the Lutheran Church but they are also very liberal very liberal in the meaning of abortion and marriage and the priests and so was that a big change for you in the view from the Lutheran to the Catholic Church in the pro-life areas or was it similar in the high church Lutheran do they have the same values they those high such Lutron's have had the same as the Catholic but the highest Lutron are not so they don't like the the oficial swedish are don't like the hi George so they put more and more out no bishops or high shortened so and nope no priests new priests or high church they put is really yes in in the corner so like this yeah maybe those high church Lutheran's who become Catholic yes Manik many be that I think so in the future in the future yeah because we soon in the Lutheran Church have marriage bill pick between men and men and women over and and the state decided purchase we do Church the Lutheran Church say yes we also we do have to state and and then I think for many people is this the border but here I can go here but not longer right and so I think I hope so well that's happening in America yeah yeah in my denomination there are following culture yes Poland so that's a place where the hydrogen and relatively stands he said to poke relative to relative relativity relativity yeah yeah we're truth is what's good for you yes for me it's probably if it's true for you it's good yes yes that's running we in America when we think of Sweden often we only think about the sexual revolution yeah that's the end but that would have been the high church Lutheran's we've been fighting against that then yes yes they do what they do they don't all right one of the questions since you're much so much involved with music I'm not sure that that Catholics always appreciate how important the music is to the liturgy yes how important music is to prayer yes no talk about that because that's your life as a you mean that many Catholics don't understand that yeah many Catholics don't even appreciate how important good music is to worship I think it's very very important and if you say we all we often talk about or all churches it's very we will have them and its people have pray here before and in the same way we can say that we burger in music is too short music and the church have juiced it for a long time so we we must we must take care of it and and on the same way we must take care of the old churches because people have prayed there before us and so and I also think even other music of cost and Gregorian but it's it's necessary with good music it's helped for us to to worship what I think but in Sweden perhaps little in the Catholic Church many priests and other also perhaps think about music as a bit little bit leaks liquors if you have a person who can can play and so and without money yeah it's it's good but if you don't have it's sorry but it's it not so necessary and that this I don't like this I think it's of course you can have a mess without music it's possible it's possible but it's not to normal the normal way must be we have music and if you read the Second Vatican about music it's says that the finest way to have a mess celebrate Mass is with music in fact I recently read the Pius the tenth had an encyclical about music PS the tenth yes yes and I took his name when I was to confirm the confirmation and I miss Pierce the tap he had in what he emphasized in his encyclical on church music is still the norm for what we believe today yes in which he basically says that the primary music of the mass is singing yes yes that's the primary it's the primary and he allowed orders yeah yeah it was funny man but for man in in today is it not the primary the primaries reading this and I think you can have a reading miss but the primary shall be seeing us that's right and then you must have good musicians also that's right well that's also the beauty of Gregorian chant in that I mean you can you can sing the mass and you don't have to go all over the place you know if everybody can sing a note you know then that allows everyone to sing together that's the beauty of the chant sometimes the modern music that's added into the mass makes it complicated it sounds like a performance people don't feel comfortable I can't sing that so they don't sing it I just read it and I do believe that return to the Gregorian chant is really to record return to the simplicity yes of singing the mass so that everyone can say you know the poem many people said you're going and music is difficult but I don't think it's it is for if you ask young people my children or other young they often like very much much miss at the Angeles and other Gregorian and it's not as good and we also have another problem and that some some churches think that the primary instrument for the mass is the organ so that people don't sing they just listen to the organ okay okay and that's common in Protestantism yes a big organ yes and again that's the organ is there is to help this yes the leading but not over over power over but no no but you can inspect with a good organized with good playing can inspirated of the the parish to sing more but it's it's hot lift Cantor's give the Cantor's kirbridge yes is a stand forward with the organs helping them yes sing but not overpowering them well I oh thank you so much for your interview and God's blessings on you in your work with music and thank your family in the church and it's good to meet another musician yes thank you bless you too thank you for joining us in this episode of the journey home I hope you've been inspired by this story of a concert here from Sweden and a musician it's challenging us in our music to sing the mass and appreciate the mass to let the the great praise of God resound so thank you for joining us on this episode the journey home see against you

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Published: Tue Jan 18 2011