all right here we go the mighty return of John Sally back on Vlad TV yes yes how you been man man I've been good our first one uh 2024 it's actually been a while since you've been on last time yeah you just got a whole bunch of people you just given a whole bunch of you know camera let anyone come on come on board now but you know it is what houses and stuff you know what I'm saying all right well we got a lot to talk about yeah been here for a while but first and foremost your team Detroit set a world record this season but not in a good way well a record's a record a record's a record like a win's a win bro a win's a win but this was not a win this is actually the opposite of a win right a 28 game losing streak yeah now they actually tied the 76ers who had a losing streak but that streak had to get broken up into two different seasons it was the end of one season the beginning of the next they actually beat the Cavs who had a 27 game losing streak in one season so you guys are the world champions of of losing streaks this is this is you know it's so funny I I left Detroit in 1992 but I tell everybody I'm a piston you're a bad boy I'm a bad boy and I feel for I feel for Monty um I saw the craziest meme when they was like he's probably crying patting his eyes with his money but no I felt you know I'm I'm like everybody to meme I'm gonna find some some j in it I know they're not but our winning was transferred over everybody had to sacrifice for the Lions to win so all of that Detroit energy winning energy went to the lion go I that's all lions okay shout out shout out to Eminem um why do you think this happened um I tell you this the only connection of us bad boy mentality is Joe you they made Joe the President Joe doas and then Joe Ley now works for the NBA um and that was the only continuation of bad boy and then 200 uh and4 comes and the Pistons win in the championship and uh you know it it's it's that team so but none of us have been back in connection none of that mentality so I just think I'm really going to say this I really think uh it would have been been great if Bill andir would have been at least considered to be a head coach Detroit I mean he won two WNBA championships he's one of the smartest people on the planet letting on basketball plays but none of these guys had an opportunity of bringing that culture back and uh I think it's you know it's unfortunate because they have great players they just not winning game and I went and watch watch the game I watched KYB and I I was like come on these guys are talented yeah but it just could I I don't know what it is I it can't even be it gets to a point it gets to a point where you have to like smile at it and and just breathe through it there's nothing else I mean I'm sure we lost three in a row in Detroit one time three games in a row sure I'm not remembering because I probably had a busted lip by losing game two because game three would have lost the next practice it would have been fights uh amongst the staff and we just didn't do it and it was the most important thing is to win it's not whether you win or lose it's whether you win yeah that's it period period whoever tell you anything else it's whether you win yeah yeah I mean you think that they they just don't have the right leadership right now or I like Monty I like Monty when he was coaching the Pelicans I lik them when he was coaching Phoenix Suns you know what I'm saying I mean he can do what he can do um that're they're chanting you know sell the team to the ownership I don't you know right yeah they're actually chanting at the game sell the team sell the team and he's a good guy he's a good guy so it's it's an unfortunate thing I always tell tell people this I know they going to jump on the Dallas Cowboys and but I remember I think it was Troy amman's first year they went 14 I mean one in 14 or one in 16 something like that I think they lost they won one game the whole season and then some years down the line they turn to win three championships in a row it it can turn around yeah things can click there's no understanding on how you can lose St just not I mean yeah I mean they'll get a high draft pick you know the next draft and maybe things will turn around but they got to change the whole Squad like it it you have to get a a brand new team in it you have you should have no one talking about man that year that we lost 28 nobody should be left everybody get rid of the evidence get rid of everybody you know we're at Aztec I don't know you know that kind of just that's the way it should be it should they gotta erase everything and started new well remember I texted you when it was like no win November yeah and it got worse after that that's the funny part I know I was with like what's up with your team and you kind of like laughed it off but then it got worse afterwards and I said to you know James Edwards I was with him in Chicago uh for the Bulls thing but he was like s he said can you I said no I like I suppose to go back and be honored and go to the the game with diara you know she did this new movie called diara from Detroit that supposed to come out on bet that I'm in and uh I think I picked March 22nd but I don't know how I want to you know I don't understand how it would be you know I I can't wait to go I love the Pistons I can't wait to see what it is and hope by then they at least win 10 games in a row all right we'll see I mean season's still kind of early this halfway through almost I you know I mean I'm saying there's still time to turn around there's time to get some time to turn around but I would be playing my butt off right now yeah because at first thing I would say is nothing we do works so I'm just gonna do throw all out out the window I'm shooting threes from half court I'm putting I'm hey this is four Detroit this is four points this is six point try everything try everything get somebody to cheat on the clock I would I would do everything off some refs you know well they already they already paid off I I actually interviewed one of these paid off refs Tim Dy yeah I like Tim yeah you know personally yeah okay yeah I liked him we I bought him we bought him on the Best Damn Sport show too I think oh yeah well after he got caught cheating yeah ah his book but I knew him when he was when he was refereeing okay yeah I never thought he was a bad rap well no one ever cla a good I think he was a good that's the deal he's a really good ref that he can make you not pay attention that he did something questionable but he didn't seem like a bad guy you know I'm too bad for him I read his book I'm too bad that he got caught into the life he got caught in you know Gamblin is a terrible drug yeah it is a terrible disease yeah so you know I feel for him there well in our interview he said that you know this came from the very top of the NBA they would tell him to basically Miss some calls on Kobe you know like got all these rich people you know bu floor seats they want to see Kobe play they don't want to see him fall out that's not cheating it's not cheating but it's a little questionable specifically at certain times the NBA was favoring Kobe so what kind of message would they tell the refs in terms of you know make sure you call every foul and make sure that he's always you know you know there to to shoot extra points and so forth you know like like how how clear was was the message coming from the NBA to the refs it was was very clear I never forget when Kobe was in a playoff series with the Phoenix Suns and I forget who the uh Defender was but they called him the Kobe stopper or he referred to himself as the Kobe stopper and they would show us video of games previously of plays that fouls weren't called of this guy holding him or defending him too strongly and they wanted freedom of movement because they wanted higher scoring in these games so they would show you plays and say this was a foul that was missed and these three referees missed this play make sure you don't let this happen tonight make sure you call this when this happens and that's how they would TR program and train the officials in the next game to have more freedom of movement and have Kobe Bryant uh have the ability to score more points and and do well so they're basically telling you to give Kobe an advantage and people that were covering him a disadvantage in a way exactly I now I remember the guy's name his name was Raja Bell uh very good defender in the league and you know a guy that uh would defend Kobe very well and they would just show you a lot of plays of him defensively and saying these plays should have been called a foul and they weren't and these referees had a low score officiating wise because they missed this call so make sure you call it tonight and you as an official wanted to get the highest grade possible CU that would mean you would Advance up the ladder and have more playoff games and make more money so you would go out and call it no no no no I mean number one have you heard of have you actually seen something like this happen I don't I don't know like I I don't know I mean do you see like certain players you could just tell get advantages with the rest oh definitely okay but but but so but that's not game fixing game fixing is what happened to Detroit against the Cowboys that's G no I'm joking kind of uh I was pissed um uh this is the deal this is a product this is a league people are not coming to see the referee's referee they're coming to see the stars they're coming to see the Kobes the the god bling soul back in his day uh Lebron Damon Lillard um The Greek Freak um Steph Curry shoot clay shoot they're not coming to see the referees referee that's why when you see a guy all a sudden take the ball and it's going down as a fast break and they go that's a walk he took five steps but no one was in front of him no one was chasing him from behind you know he he can just dribble it and only take two steps but you know it's the same thing you're not going to call a walk on that that's not bad referee and you know he can't get caught you know he can dribble to that point there two points just let it go there's nothing to pay attention to and they were like no no that's cheating he walked Patrick Yan took three steps he dribble he dribble and he would take one two and then you go to jump and then he would take three and then shoot the hook shot happened every time but people knew he was going to get three steps um guys big guys would stay inside the lane and you know you're counting to three seconds we used to yell at you know this to get shacked and move he get in there we start counting three seconds 3 seconds one two we would scream it from the bench just to make him hear it and the referee pay attention uh but to watch the Stars play that's what the crowd comes for right you don't buy the jerseys of a star to watch him sit on the bench because of a foul or because he walked um no they they came to see them perform yeah he even talked about how Allan Iverson I think like threatened one of the refs and they they gave him kind of like a a slap on the wrist so they just went out of their way to just call everything on him and he final was like okay have you had enough already they're like okay yeah we've had enough yeah you know I would always say you coming to the ref it was a bad call I wouldn't do all the all that because it's showing them up you know you're sitting there and you're mean mugging him that makes I mean this guy has some sort of control so it's always like oh I can't believe you called that a foul that was questionable I said oh my God that was so questionable and the refu sometime would come and be right here and be like oh my God you you're taking money out of my pocket I I got I got a miniature restriction on my contract bro don't you take it from me too you know I would say funny stuff uh but I I don't like referees C day I would go to my daughter's games and be yelling at the ref and they were like yo you're going to have a heart attack I was it's only time I get to yell at people is that the game well uh red Wallace R I knew rased was right most of the time well he got into it with Tim I think he like actually tried to physically assault him at one point in the parking lot and they had to like break it up or something that that you know in terms of that and I believe he had the biggest suspension ever over situations with the ref that that didn't include like guns or drugs or or whatever else and he said he's been ejected more than any other player probably yeah you would wonder I used to wonder why he couldn't calm down you know she is she is our boy he is like no matter what no matter playing in W Wizard or whatever he's a piston and Masid is is our guy it just feels like when we're there all together too it feels like rashed played with us it just does and I'm wondering what would make you stay on a referee so long like when Draymond does it I'm like what what is happening but what it does is it makes the refs more involved in the game like if they feel if more people are booing and people are looking and he's looking around and he's realizing yo I missed that call he's in deep focus from that point on yeah he's not missing another call so I think I think they're needed uh and if he can focus his energy to get the referee to focus it works well uh Lebron he got bloodied up uh by scoot Henderson and they missed a call and uh you know when he went to the ref the ref said I didn't see a foul and he was like I give up man and he actually showed his arm I don't know if you saw this but literally he has deep scratches on his shoulder wow yeah that's a cool way to getting out of trouble what do you mean hey baby this came from school it was the girl it was the girl man you saw the game you saw the game the referee see it ref me is blind you got Stevie Wonder on the court with me you know that ref don't like me well uh speaking of the Lakers uh not not not so good this year not so good well you didn't ask me the beginning of the year because I wasn't here you didn't ask me who was going to win the NBA Finals okay so I had to you know think really deep who's going to win the NBA Finals okay and I I think it literally may be Philadelphia cuz I saw MB play and score 41 on Joker let me tell you something I I haven't watched or been that involved in it but I was going to do this this TV show so I started watching it more and more one joke is unbelievable but it be oh my God I I it was the same I got the same feeling when I saw him as when I saw Shaq huh I used to be like oh my God how many minutes am I gonna be in this game what do I got to do like Shaq was intimidating not by a size but you knew this kid was like athletic in that big and that's exactly what I see here so I I think I'm GNA go with Philadelphia this year okay cause nba.com actually put out their power rankings oh yeah number one is Celtics right two is Clippers three is 76ers four is nuggets and five is thunder the Nuggets I'm telling you it's going to be nuggets versus Philadelphia in the finals and I'm not wanting to go against Michael Malone I love Mike Malone since he was a little boy uh I'm I'm just thinking Philly just is is gonna be a Powerhouse and that I love you know I'm a Celtic fan um but I I watch him beid play and if he can carry people and everybody else does what's necessary around him they got to be unstoppable well because the Celtics are actually favored right now to win the finals right now at this moment but like I said we're only halfway like you said I mean we're halfway through March is when some guys get hurt after the All-Star game different things start tweaking team start getting better after the allstar games called downhill um you should have gotten all the Kinks out if not you're gonna be kinky at the allstar game you get those Kinks out but yeah I'm I'm gonna stick with it I'm gonna go with Philadelphia this year Philadelphia is winning the finals this year all right we'll see we'll see now what about the Rookie of the Year uh it's between Victor and Chad it's going to be uh it's going to be Victor okay uh not that chat home is not killing um but remember as I said this is a league and the kid at 75 with those skills yeah he moves and plays like a guard pretty much wait till he realizes how to extend more like Anna D compo when when when Giannis goes to the B basket like I was watching and I'm like I can't believe I did this right I'm so I was at the Bulls versus the Warriors game Warriors at the bull in Chicago and the bull scored 75 in two quarters when we were playing we would hold teams under 85 for the entire game right right they scored 75 in the first two quarters and I was like yo this game is faster and there's not there's no physicality like what they call physical that that's not physical yeah um there's no big guy hitting you with his hip as you walking by and your knee going one way that ain't happening but it used to happen uh when I watch dianis stretch his body out and go to the basket and grab the ball and like literally not try to dunk hard like just put the ball in the basket I just walk up to it yeah and I was like gently put it in I was like this dude is some when when when he learns to do that because right now he's still like this he's still bending over to talk to small people Prett pretty soon I think they should just give him tapes of Will Chamberlain because Will Chamberlain would turn around and do a finger roll and I thought that was outrageous to do a finger roll from the box um right but Willl was 71 71 I know but with long 74 74 75 with the sneakers on with this long Wing SP he can dunk without jumping so he could literally not have to jump at all walk up just he walk up and put the ball in once he buls up once he gets used to doing that it's it's going to look like when ya Ming played ya Ming used to just turn around and just put it in the basket right well Ying was 76 yeah he's only two inches taller exactly but he was he wasn't as fluid pause he wasn't as smooth uh as uh uh women Yama yeah oneyama God I just went blank like a like I saw letters and they were jumping around he wasn't as smooth but yaming had un believable skill too this kid is just much thinner learned y was 76 yeah this kid is but he was about was also bulkier was heavier he about 110 pounds heavier in this Cas exactly so once he gets to that mentality it's over well uh Lebron basically said we suck right now when it comes to Lakers I know when you got it sit D'Angelo it and you know when when you got to put guys in the dogghouse and then pull them out of the dogghouse and make him work for his minutes back make make them work for their minutes back um I guess it's what you have to do but it throws off the chemistry of the squad when when you have to in a way and I see ham had to he had to take some minutes away and give them to somebody else make you sit back and pay attention then you start working yourself back into it then they you play when they when they feel you're tapering off and that's what the report is is why he got benched and then why he came back so it's already a a chemistry situation that's not fit the best things about the teams I played for you know who was starting there's no gray area no I didn't have a problem with it yeah yeah you don't want to be a starter no let Buddha start uh Mark needs a start and Dennis needs a Scot you know if not Bill and be has to like we that has it's it's better for us to give them into the system let them feel comfortable that no one's breathing down their bat you know yeah I wanted to play All 48 minutes but that's not what we needed to win I mean do you see LeBron still playing for the NBA if his son actually joins NBA oh yeah to have like a Father's son NBA situation which has never happened before I know I mean not actively you know obviously you know Gary Payton's kid goes to the NBA whatever else but I'm saying like you know Scotty Pippen's kid but I'm saying have two players a father son in the NBA at the same time I almost feel like LeBron is hanging on just for that you know what I I tell you this man when I retired I was 36 and I could have still kept playing I didn't like it any I didn't like doing anymore plus I had you know late night talk show on BET and that's what I always I knew what it was like to be a pro I wanted to come to Hollywood so I was blessed enough to have that right after I finished playing with the Lakers like three months later I'm on television every night and you know it's what I wanted to do not not that I didn't want to play basketball but I lived that dream successfully yeah at the highest level now I want to do television now I want to act now I want to do movies now I want to produce you know that's now I want to go and see the world and I was still young enough to do all that so I would have played till I was 42 when Karim was 42 and I was a rookie you know what I'm saying or 41 and I was a rookie or something like that if I Robert Parish if I could have played to my 40s I would have played to my 40s well I just interviewed Rashard menal oh who left the NFL at 26 and he kind of explained how 26 is past your Prime in football yeah especially for certain positions not so much a quarterback but you know in his position and so forth what really made you say okay at 26 I am walking away from a sport that still wants me mhm so you got to think about it uh even with my mom going into um football she had always said that um uh football is like uh football is just a tool or a vehicle it's not the end all be all um I have a purpose in in in this life uh under God so like um that's that's more important than just what I do professionally than football um so going into the sport in the game I've kind of always had this idea that whenever the the cloud spoke to me whenever it felt like it was time to walk away when it was time to go then I wouldn't um then then I would acknowledge that so I've always kind of felt like when it was time to walk away I would um and and also thinking about professionally like if I'm if if the Arizona Cardinals didn't say oh we undoubtedly want you back and we want you to keep leading this team if they don't say say that then what happens I go back to freee agency again and um you know going to another team now with the Tennessee Titans I'm wearing a weird number like 37 and at that point you they start to devalue you as a running back anyway I feel like back in the day like in the emit Smith era like Jerome Bettis Barry like when you have those running back one guys you're given uh a chance in a space to mature as a running back where in their year seven eight n they may not have been the same as year three and four but they still they still carried weight they still evolved their play they still were um were those guys that led their team and commanded their te so I feel like back in the day you were given a chance to mature as a running back now it's like you want somebody younger you want somebody you know quick and faster right away um so I just felt like I would have been in a situation where I'm holding on for dear life as a running back as well um so so those two things together felt like it was time to leave I don't know what it's going to be for me but I'm pretty sure I'm be devalued anyway it was it was just time and I was like bugging out I'm like in the interview I was like yo strippers aren't past their Prime at 26 you know what I'm saying like they're still going strong you you mean to tell me a professional athlete yeah is past their Prime at 26 so I actually looked it up the average age in the NBA you know what it is right now 22 years old 26 26 right now oh I thought all the young guys bought it down can you imagine this though the average amount of years you play in the NBA is three and a half yeah well 26 means that half the people are older half the people are younger yeah so depending you know if younger players are coming in that number is going to keep going down and down and so forth yes you have the LeBron in the world but very few they don't like like it's not good for the league to have old players and still hanging around takes away from the advertisement takes really yeah oh it like you know you're trying to sell John Morant sneakers you're not trying to sell bronze you know yeah and you know to the point where what Nike had to get rid of Nike golf wait that's gone yeah I know that Tiger Woods just left Nike because Nike oh because the whole thing is gone yeah oh yeah they have to focus back you know so Jordan brand is the NBA and and Jordan BR was blessed enough to get Michigan so Nike had to get back to running back to because walk like they need to get back to their core so they had to drop things that weren't making them they couldn't you know yeah Tiger Woods was is great for them but which one of the new up incoming kids are going to say I want some Tiger Woods no they're gonna go with who the new guy is right so in in business you know you especially in sports you get in you get out if if you last 10 years you are blessed you are blessed that true no that's true I mean we're into our 16th year business and I've had to make the most changes I've ever made in the company last year yeah in terms of rethinking things Innovations trying new things switching things around yeah cuz you know I mean things change new new people come in people act differently you know viewer habits change uh the media landscape you know I mean you see like Sports Illustrated just went out of business Vice went out of business uh a lot of people Vice went out of business yeah they went bankrupt I don't know if they're out of business but they file for bankruptcy yeah I remember they got they got rid of cannabis talking about cannabis they had a great show oh really cannabis called bong appe peti and they they paid them but then they didn't take anymore and then they decided they wanted to be all news there's a lot of things man going out uh um but this this this's the only thing constant in life has changed yep you just got to be prepared for it yeah you got to move into it you gotta move and you gotta you know luckily as a CEO I've always been conservative in our spending so you know the pandemic hit we were okay you know as the the landscape changes we're we're okay you know we're not going you know having to take on Partners or take on loans or or whatever else like all you know we may have to scale back here and there but and focus on what it is that we're good at but you're right things change and you got to you got to look into the future it is what it is like uh I was just you know I didn't know what I was gonna do and I was uh thinking and I told you I was goingon to stop my own show so I started my own podcast John Sally podcast but I I watch everything right I'm watching you I'm watching Schultz I even once in a while I watch Breakfast Club uh I was on Shannon and I'm watching so my podcast is health and wellness one thing I realized that never changes is people want to live longer of course and so if they want to live longer I got a documentary coming out IEP called Longevity hackers like why we literally did the research on why people are living longer and I decided what if I just had a park some of it was funny but a lot of it was just information MH so I don't want to do what you do either I told you your job your job I told you man you you got you got some balls on you you got a hard shell yep you got a hard shell you say some stuff and I you know I'm like any other fan I'm just blessed enough to do this interview boy you say some things and I go Whoa man and I say just I call my cousin Mike I'll be like VL get in trouble for this well you know we'll talk about some of those things we'll talk about we got a lot to cover still okay let's talk about James Hart uh joined the Clippers and uh they had kind of a rough start but right now they're considered one of the top teams right now now remember I said everybody wants to play 48 minutes it's but that's not what makes a team win so when Westbrook was like yo I'll come off the bench I'll do whatever I need to do I'm gonna play like I need to play they became a better team when you didn't have to worry about who was doing what now I said this that they should give the ball the Harden and then move out of the way because one he was the lead scor in the NBA two years in a row do you know how to put it in the basket yes MVP yes that let him do it and everybody else feel in the spots around him he's a point guard he's going to give you the ball if he can give you the ball and that's what's happening everybody is feeling um value thank shout out to bishaw shout out to tyo uh like I said culture it's a culture and it's a feeling and those two winning championships together and knowing how to win championships know it's about the coachup team well yeah like I said they're the number two ranked team in the NBA right now which means that they you know possibly will go to the finals and he might get his first ring I hope so yeah I mean he deserves it I think it's G to be Philadelphia I keep telling you that I only because I I just feel that I just feel that the trophy is going back to the east coast but man what I love for the Clippers to win a championship I would I'm telling you uh this is a trip so the first year we opened the palace in 1980 1988 89 Pistons won a championship in 1999 2000 was the first year of the staple Center Lakers won a champion yep uh I think that's what has to happen right I think next year when they open their Arena they will have it more in place right because you know how many uh championships the Clippers have won so far yes zero yeah not a single one right right I'm just saying but this is the difference this is the difference they got two Co they got a head coach who's one who's dealt with the with the best of the best had to play against the best of the best he knows his way through the Amazon then he got an assistant right there Brian Shaw with him who will back him up wherever it needs to go and how you keep the team working then they invested in their Stadium which I drove by in Englewood bananas crazy bananas so to put that much as they would say in business that money that many resources as opposed to saying money that much resource into it they are really at at the point they need to be at well uh Draymond Green has finally returned from his indefinite suspension yeah um one of my members uh kg kg 4118 he wanted me to ask you this question he said would Draymond Green fit into the bad boy Pistons yeah like a glove like a glove but the problem is we would have been so many more fights or who was going to play like Mar laguire is not gonna let him take his minutes Dennis robman you're not GNA take his minutes um so but the mentality yes okay mentality perfectly I mean how does he compare some of the enforcers from his era like Oakley or lamb beer oh Draymond is right up there what it was funny they called Bill lamb ban and force and Bill just didn't let you run him over and he had really good hands when you were going up and he was going to knock the ball out your hand if he happen to hit your hands while it was happening you know there's like 85 bones in his hand uh but very intense play Oakley in forcer great with position um but when I saw him put old boy in a headlock for get next I'm telling you I was like yeah that's what supposed to happen and I'm sitting next to Steve Kerr wanting to talk Draymond so bad and I was like Steve I might want to come up you know interview you yeah take my direct number can I talk to Draymond like I I I seriously and I said this on television I I think he's the heart of the team I think and to prove he was the heart of the team he punched the guy in the face and that guy got traded right like this is the heart of the team uh he's there to do because when he wasn't there they were get punked well I mean they're questioning Steph Curry's leadership amongst all this kind of craziness and and the Warriors really aren't doing very well this year right but see when they question his leadership they want him to be more vocal he's not vocal like that and he was leading by example when I'm in a position to do something great I'm G to do it uh they they want they want him to be like Chris Paul you go here you know want him to be one of those quarterbacks that's not what it is plus they did jumble up their team a lot and like I said every only thing constant in life is change so it's Gonna Change well uh Kevin Durant he chimed in on the suspension yeah and you know they had their issues you know remember there was a whole argument where he was like uh I think that uh what happened yeah okay yeah Durant was got chastised by Green for now passing the ball and then uh you know Draymond told KD he [ __ ] I do this too I was going to give you give you ass the ball if you weren't bitching I'd do this too then they had to like get separated you know by Demarcus but I mean Katie basically said that it was insane what he saw and he hopes that Draymond gets help uh and I saw that punch I mean it looked like an accident I mean or was it an accident cuz you know listen he got suspended indefinitely I mean what was it like for 12 games or something when the de settled but when I was watching it it looked like he was just flailing and he end up hitting him and he even said in the press conference like look I've admitted to punching people I did not punch this guy right I believe that yeah so I'm talking about um in practice when he punched somebody and they got on camera that should even tell you when things were kind of falling down for the for the Warriors in the first place the fact that we saw a video from their practice that right there yeah like how did that get out that right there that was done on purpose someone wanted to take off some of draymond's salary yes that that doesn't happen yeah that's the first thing you you there's no there's no lie on how it got out whoever got that tape out the first one got paid for this if he didn't they're an idiot yeah because it didn't do anything um and I don't believe he punched the cat either I also think like I said we need to be very cognizant of what the league is selling and who they're selling their product to in China they do not want to see its subordination so when you got 300 million people watching and it's on the team with with with Clay um Clay is huge in China the the Warriors are huge in China when I'm telling you when I was in China and I'm going to I'm going to text you this picture so you can edit it into the commercial into the show there's a picture of clay looking like Jesus life bigger than me and he's he's floating like I swear to you I I took a picture and I'm looking around like is anybody realizing what this imagery is to sell his sneakers they did the same thing with um so it's it's way bigger than these guys getting in a fight yeah you can't show that you know what I'm saying we can't have multi-million dollar companies having fist fights and tearing shirts and multi-billion dollar companies billion dollar company multi-million dollar players yes you know um I remember I thought it was amazing on you know guys making $36 million a year and I was like man that's that's amazing man that's that's $3 million a year I mean a month man this is a trip these kids are making more than that yep well I mean Kevin Durant he recently spoke out and he says you know question why he's not in the goat conversation now you love Kevin Durant I loveed Kevin yeah because you guys have kind of built you know same I met him when he was a young cat I just I just I love his game yeah I love it and he basically said what haven't I done and they're they're kind of blaming the whole Warriors thing you know going to the Warriors I'm so happy you said this let me tell you what's stupid about people who say well he couldn't win in OKC he couldn't win in Brooklyn he had to go to a place to jump on the bandwagon well I remember the Lakers losing nine championships in a row and then they bought Wilt Chamberlain over from Philadelphia and then the Lakers won what what's the difference with wilt Chamberlin coming and being on this squad to win a championship with Jerry West in the 70s what what's the difference with the Lakers drafting Magic Johnson on a team that has Kareem Abdu bar and the number one pick James Worthy and what's the difference right they they had these uh unbelievable squads what's the difference when they bring Dennis Rodman onto the Chicago Bulls after haris leaves they realize hey okay we need to fill this spot it's it's good on how teams are put together they also said the same thing about LeBron needing to go down to Miami to win with d way well no one wins a championship by themselves there's never been no you saw what happened when LeBron was with the Cavs right he was holding that whole team on his shoulders and it did not win no I mean they got far sometimes but no well he did win a championship with Kyrie that one year with the Caps yeah and that's all he needed was one yeah then he was out Kevin Durant has two yeah and he fit in he made that team a better team and so when I when I see that I remember look list I'm going to give you old and new the Celtics right they were the Celtics but then they went and got Larry Bird and they had Cornbread Maxwell they had Robert Parish they had DJ then they had this kid named Kevin mcel like people are forgetting their Hall of Fame is like four at a time on a squad that's how you win it just just how you put it together he did I'm glad that they did that I'm glad that the warriors were smart enough to get just to cure those other two championships they needed to because winning three in a row is it's it's hard to do winning four is you know a tremendous feat I'm not just saying it because I did it I'm just saying it's a because I I really I did it as a chemistry guy on the squad I understood I do I understand it's the chemistry is the most important thing Talent is great but boy there's some days when the most talented gu guy has a off night yep and if you don't have that team chemistry and somebody know where to fill the uh the void you're going to have a losing season well uh John Morant came back from that long that long uh suspension because of the whole gun incident right came back did his little gun dance but from what I understand that was a New Orleans dance it wasn't like him trying to like do a Gilbert Arena you know what I'm saying shout to g go kill that's my man no I talk to Gilbert all the time that's my man but he came back and now he has a season ending injury yeah so he's out the rest of this season I know I watched I watched the other night man um I told you they they got me watching again and I I love it and I always said you know John Morant was major part of the season but this this is what happen this it happened to D Rose too right yeah so it's an important thing on on hey this is and guys don't get the rest this is one of them shut it all down let's figure out what's up let's build it back up and let's be ready to go we got the whole season just like Kawai every remember they were mad at Kawai for taking all that time off Ka was like I need this to heal no one is talking about the time he took off right now nobody no one is like yeah man you took that year off no one is saying anything they were like hey so the best thing is to heal back in the day when uh back in the day you really couldn't take time off you had to do what you need to do cuz if somebody else fills your shoes that's it that's it yeah this guaranteed contracts are wonderful now Lil Wayne said that John Moran should be the new face of the NBA after LeBron retires agree or dise he would have been could except for the whole gun thing right you know he could have he could do you think skill level he's could be at a LeBron status he could be at or is he already there Allen Iverson status he could Alan Iverson status okay that's a good comparison yeah he could you know he's gonna do what he does in that amount of time um to see him take off and dunk on a 74 dude and you knew he was going everyone knew he was trying I'm going to dunk on this cat and to do it dude is amazing man it is is amazing to see I I always say this like to see somebody with that much bounce like to get and then take off high quickly I he probably would have dunked on me I I would have I would have grabbed him by his waist though and carried his ass to the bed sat him down like you dunk on me on television but he probably would have got me because he is he is very clever who is the shortest player that's ever dun on you Michael Jordan yeah yeah I I mean I was smart enough uh Byron out uh Byron uh uh what's his name no Byron Byron Allen no no Byron uh Byron Scott what am I doing there you go boy this weed is amazing um Brian Scott would scare me if he was going to the basket cause he was going to try to destroy he and he's going to C guys are going to try to dunk on you Maxwell would try to dunk on you uh a whole bunch of cats but the only one that really got me was MJ and he got me I tried to run fou him too man got me well uh Kevin Garnett said that Jordan pool doesn't belong in the league agree or disagree I I disagree John P is a good player he just he's is having a rough time in life right now and and not everybody is not everybody's a general some people are really good at being a sergeant and lieutenants but not everybody's a general and going on that young team and winning championships with the Warriors you should try to want to translate that winning chemistry but I don't think they made the environment great for Jordan P to do that you mention chemistry so many times in this interview and it kind of reminds me of my my interview with Dominique Wilkins yeah where he was an alltime great yes he's got a statue yes beautiful statue in Atlanta uhuh you know he dunk on Jordan you know he'd beat Jordan one-on-one sometimes you know we talked about the whole St Louis you know under Arch game and you know where he you know dribbled it between his legs and you know between Jordan's legs and so forth what's that called uh nut magdum n n magum but no championships right and it wasn't his fault it was just like yo it just all has to come together and you know in the East there was a lot of competition during that era yeah and they came close a few times but ultimately I mean Atlanta hasn't had a championship since like what 73 or something like 74 maybe something something like that they weren even they weren't even the Atlanta uh Falcons during that time yeah they were they were the St Louis Spirits yeah something like that something no that was wrong too yeah they might be I being one of the great players without any rings did that bother you at all that you never have a finals no not at all because if you look at the great players that play in this game and all the great players who hasn't won a ring you look at car Malone Stockon you look at Barkley you know you look at Ying I mean I can go down the line the guys who are super players Allen got super players that never won that diminish their greatness no just one team get a chance to win it every year I mean but when you look at the Hawks as an organization they won their last finals in 1958 before you and I were ever born the last time they went to the finals was 1961 they they have the the second longest drought of winning a championship next to the Sacramento Kings and and there's been great teams along the way it's not like there hasn't been incredible players incredible coaches why do you think easn conference man it's been a great conference for a long time you know it's it's just recently where the West it swung back to the west but the E conference man is brutal talent and and great teams so I mean you're right you could have a great team great players great coach fans are excited you're not gonna get that ring and uh I love Dominique Dominique I have been around Dominic since I got to Georgia Tech I would play Class Act yeah I would Play In the Summertime we would we would clown each other he's so funny too man and uh he's a really good dude and the thing that happened to the Atlanta Hawks was a a thing called Detroit Pistons so that's what happened to the Atlanta Hawks because after 1986 so just let you hit a great one in the playoffs of 1986 scored 100 points in two games without a dunk like they were on their way and then they lost to Boston and then the next year they lost to the Pistons and they never recovered yep yep uh hey man listen you're playing against the best players on Earth period you know every every night on Earth not in America not from your state it's not just it's not high school it's not College it's you know they'll grab people from Europe from Africa from Australia they will grab the best human beings on Earth and that's who you have to play against and dentists were making more money than the ball play so it was like it w it you were really really working for your paycheck but every night in Diamond's position everyone talks about L bird but then he had to try to guard Bernard King and then he had to try to guard uh Terry cumins who would play power forward small forward then he had to try to go shoot when he came against us Mark aguire Adrien Dantley Dennis robman in his position that the small forward was a tough position it was the toughest position the most versatile as well yep well uh uh on Mason Cameron's new uh show it is what it is uh love the show yeah cool show man I'm glad they actually you know popped off a dope Sports show this makeing noise uh mace went off on DW wearing nail polish he compared it to seeing Jordan lingerie let me tell you with a pause after that by the way uh wow you know Dennis robman used to wear nail polish still does still does yeah do you see his new tattoo on his face yeah got his girlfriend tattooed on on his cheek I saw her I interviewed right before that and his girlfriend was like his manager so I was talking to her still is yeah pretty girl pretty girl not pretty not to put your tattoo your face on my cheek though remember we tried to get mace on this show I mace is horrible man mace is one of the worst people I've ever dealt with I've had conversations with him I've had so much my time wasted with this guy I'm not even going to try to get him on my show but I remember when I remember when we were trying and uh I guess let me say this self-expression should only be your self-expression if that's the way D way wants to express himself we should celebrate that like if if he feels comfortable in having nail polish on his nails no matter what it is you supposed to he was being honored for his basketball and that's the way we should leave it yeah well I mean listen he's got a trans child and I'm sure part of it is to make his child feel a little more comfortable and accepted and so forth I don't know any other NBA player outside of Dennis Rodman you know who has pained nails and you know that that kind of thing but I I don't know man listen would you ever paint your nails no no I wouldn't either no I remember one time they put a clear nail polish on my nails and I just kept staring at them go what what is that is this yeah uh I said let me hold that and I took it off and I get you know get him buffed but the fact that that was even there I mean think of the detail you know he had a really nice Rouge you know the colors of red and black that that was a really expensive nail polish it looked good got it um I love that he did it let me tell you why I love that he did it okay let's hear this no one else had just player outside of Dennis Robin but you're never going to see another player you're not going to see now you're GNA see a bunch of them sitting around holding their trophy and their nails and painted you're just not gonna see it well I mean listen Russell Westbrook wore a dress and a couple of shots you see people being a little well was it a kilt uh Irish Kilt or was it a dress no no Westbrook had a full-blown dress at one point hold on oh yeah well I remember I saw it just the other day ago when they were talking about this play he was wearing he was wearing a kilt so you know maybe he knows what Clan he's a part of in Ireland yeah that Scotland that's a dress bro that's not a kilt that's a dress dress you hav't see this is old actually it's not a bad look though I don't know about that I don't know that this is back in 2021 yeah yeah yeah look he's got a whole like little fashion shoot you know I mean that's a dress dress that is not a kilt right back pipes to go with it Roman soldiers wore the same mou yeah that's a dress man come on that's a dress dress I'm not I'm not going to let you not going to let you Slither out of this one here man that's your man with the dress he got big balls man he need more room and Sh the jeans is getting in the way yeah they don't make baggie jeans got it [Laughter] right I think it's a good look I think it's a good look really would you wear a dress no I'm Too Tall but I I you know sometimes when I when I was in India and I had uh this thing made uh but you wear pants under it you know hey yeah well it is what it is uh Josh giddy had that whole thing where he was allegedly dating a High School Junior and the NBA were looking at it but the police didn't press charges so they basic basically said well we'll just go with what the police are going with and we're not going to you know have any movement around this did he know yeah I think he did know well I'm not gonna say that I mean I don't I don't know all the details around this but from what I understand it was whatever consensual means in that world I don't know what the you know what the age of consent is where he was or whatever else cuz sometimes age of consent is a little bit you know cuz he's not that old he's not that old himself it's not like he's like 40 he's like what 22 or something right I heard in in Florida the age of cassette was 16 yeah you have a lot of Southern States like that so this is the other thing I have only daughters he's 21 by the way right I have only daughters so I take this you know I'm not making light of it but let me let me let me hit you with this one in high school right if you graduate high school and you're dating a sophomore by the time you're 21 years old she's a senior right he was 21 the girl was 15 or 16 at the time in California which is where it was done I look this up the age of consent is 18 but I guess since the family or the girl weren't cooperating or whatever else and police didn't step in he's been given a pass but what what people are saying is they're comparing it to the johnar situation meaning that johnar wasn't you know charged or whatever else and the NBA let him have it whereas this guy has a very questionable situation and the NBA is looking the other way cuz love and guns are two different things love for guns is two different things like is it love or is it lust I mean you knowy old I mean Presley was 19 years old dating a 14y old well no no you're talking about the the Priscilla Presley situation they met when when she was younger but they got married when she was like 19 or 20 or something they were dating when she was 14 that's the rumor she she's uh denied it but we don't know it was a little weird though I I I'll give you that and and this is another thing it's always been like I I I see so many things kicking in down and I'm not saying and I have to I have to be you know I have to make sure the words are coming out of my mouth I'm trying to explain but I remember in high school man there was those girls who were only dating those dudes who can pick him up in the car no I got it and it's it's always not saying it's right not saying it's wrong but it's always been that it's always you always had younger women with older men right that's been across the board since the dawn of time I get it but at the end of the day laws are laws laws are laws you know yes you could be 19 and dating a 17-year-old because you guys were high school sweethearts and you just happen to be you know two grades higher but at the point that you turn 18 and she's still 16 well at that point it becomes illegal so you have to make some decisions in your life you know di Dick Gregory said just because it's a law doesn't make it right true true and like I said he's 21 he's not that old but and they're saying the girl was 15 or 16 maybe he was about 19 at the time and you know what I'm saying it was it was one of those things but all I'm saying is they threw the book a job yeah it was two different things it was two different things but they threw the book out and J had no criminal charges right but the is a different thing to uh we had such bad experience with Gunplay in the NBA from from Gilbert Arena's time to Dennis Robin having a gun behind his head to Sebastian tare who who I just interviewed who got caught with guns on three different occasions yeah yeah well no no no three yeah three different occasions yeah three different occasion you need listen when I when I played for Miami when I was in Detroit I always had a gun just you know even though I was with my brothers and we had security I always carried my gun I just is this what's going to happen we in Detroit I'm not saying I was right but was ready not saying I was right but I was ready I was ready yeah when I got to Miami my wife then got a Casal weapon license and she was like I'll carry the pistol so it's to some people we're American we feel safer with guns yeah whether it's right or whether people think it's right it's this is the culture people feel safer with guns I felt safer carrying a gun at times then I did I I don't carry a gun in Los Angeles because I couldn't get a license but if I had can SEAL weapons license I would carry a pistol it a it's better to be a warrior in the garden than a gardener in the war okay I like that phrase I haven't heard of that before oh yeah better be a warrior in the garden than a gardener in the war in a war huh I like that GNA use that yeah I did too well speaking of uh people love with large age gaps your home girl Larsa Pippen age 49 and Mark marus Jordan age 33 16year age Gap are going strong they are going strong ah Larsa allegedly froze her eggs for future plans with Marcus um Larsa said that her Marcus have sex about five times a night okay she said the same thing about Scotty you know what what part of sex penetration I don't I don't know man I I'm I wasn't there nor nor do I want to be um well he better look out because it didn't work for Scotty didn't work for Scotty right sex she kind of DED him over all the sex they had and now she's like got this younger guy sheing about it yeah hold on that's kind of hypocritical you bash Scotty for wanting to have sex with you five times a night but you're bragging about having sex with Marcus Jordan five times a night what the hell what the hell no for it lson in 10 years if all of a sudden he slow down you know hey she get some young meat out there there's a new 23 year old out there you know I'm I'm team losser so God bless her well uh Marcus said he wants his dad to be the best man in this wedding oh he is so Michael's like dog don't put me in this like I'm in it enough oh my God you know what though I really think it's a good match yeah I told you that before I thought it was a good match um whatever and I remember Scotty you know she she was on the road all the time I think in Houston she was always on the road always going places with him she needs that up close typ validation is that common to bring wives no or girlfriends so nobody nobody brings their girls on the road really yeah you didn't ask why they I you just don't do that why is is that because that's you don't bring your throws you off no one brings their wife to work it's not bring your wife to work day aha but Scotty was the opposite yeah so how would she get to the game she would fly in she flew on the same plane oh she was on the plane with the rest of the team that's what I heard yo that's wild that that's exactly what I said one how do you do that I mean is there a open seat yeah everybody has a seat next to no one has no one sit next to each other so wait wait you're talking about the team plane or they team plane oh so it's an extra large plane yeah it's not big enough for just a team it's a huge plane okay I get it all right yeah like you have the media back there like the Lakers had it great I think we had the MGM plane Shaq had a bed and then there's uh the media had like regular rows from first class and then Phil had like this this situation where they were and then there were more wonderful seats and then a bar in front um so Kobe sat over here uh what's his name um I sat in this point and then hoer and those guys with Gamble and so we had we knew two seats but hey she was on the F listen she was with him all the time and Chuck D used to say uh this this league will keep you married for a long time because you get so much distance huh 15 games a month seven of them are on the road huh so you're you're getting at least 14 days because you get two days so you're getting 14 days away well I just interviewed Sebastian Telfair you know who I put you uh on FaceTime with right before this interview and he talked about his views on marriage what well he got married at 21 yeah and he basically said it was like one of the worst decisions of his life yeah I got married at 20 n it was one of the worst decisions you don't give up your 20s yeah uh he basically said that the NBA has a 90% divorce rate you mentioned uh 90% of players get divorced when I got into the NBA and I was going to the meetings they were saying seven out of 10 players get divorce now it's nine out of 10 players yeah so if people want to know where's the wealth and the basketballs and the divorce right the the Ex-Wives yeah giving up the pension and all that stuff I'm like bro oh yeah LSA pipp and she got Scotty uh Scotty's pension that was wild when i n need to do something about that and I actually um was on the phone with them two weeks about this about this issue and they said they was trying to come up with something to protect the players because it's the players though it's the players like like dudes got to understand that pretty girl that's on the side of you right now in that nice house her energy will shift n out of 10 Kevin Garnett got a divorce yeah like got a divorce Shaq got a divorce Michael Jordan got a divorce so I want to tell this is for all the players I'll be the bad guy I'll be the one like well shorty sitting next to us ain't it them basketball players or everybody you see right now with them girls them girls ain't it now you still got that one so no want to dis credit maybe Savannah the one yeah you know what I'm saying but the other nine y' bogus and I'm telling y'all Y bogus every every Business America now 60% okay no matter what your job is but the deal the NBA I mean he just kind of went out of his way to sort of describe and he basically and we talked about these various situations he was like look like everyone gets divorced you know uh Shaq got divorced like you know all the big players uh you know except for like Michael got divorced and he feels that divorces are a source of wealth in the NBA yes for the women and you know we talked about for example like the Joe Smith situation right right Joe Smith had like four side kids on his wife she stayed with him until no team wanted him and then she divorced him and took a chunk of money you know took like three million from him which was like the last money that he had essentially he was like 30,000 in debt you know a couple years later so you know he basically just went off on NBA wives called him gold diggers was like yeah you know like listen like if your a man cheats and the relationship is bad just leave him but no you don't want some other chick sitting there you know in the stands while he's playing you know you want to be right there the whole time but as soon as his you know his career is over all of you leave and he called him all bogus and he's talking from his own experience he had a bad situation with his ex-wife and he basically just dissed all NBA wives across the board yeah I hosted Basketball Wives this month oh you did yeah okay been a well how many of them are actually wives though uh one one it's such a such a they just fake name for a show they call it basketball wise there's one wife out of how many women out of how many women oh my god there so many of them now yeah that's what I'm saying but this is this is the deal and and you know I'm sorry for his situation and have to resay it wasn't the worst decision in my life it probably the worst decision in my wife's young age got married my wife when she was 23 24 years old and you were 29 I was 29 so you sleep on the couch tonight by the way right I took let me know we have a spare bedroom if you need you live down the street yeah your wife kicks you out after this interview I always say man I got a spot for you black car is not in the garage anyway what what I'm telling you is is I took her youth because I had such crazy experiences thinking okay I'm going to settle down I did but I thought I was going to settle down just I don't think during your playing years you should get married I think you should get married when you retire but it's kind of hard to do it that way because no girls are going to sit around and wait for you in your 30s where she felt her best years were in her 20s and best years having babies young mentality I I I did it and I told my wife um I shouldn't have done it that way I should have just dated you and you know given you all the stuff because that's what it comes down to it comes down to just stuff right and you got to give up your stuff and I remember when I was thinking about it 20 years ago I didn't want to give up my stuff I was like I work my whole life to get to Beverly Hills I'm not giving in this house you know what I'm saying saying um I get where he at that point but that's what prenups are for right right um after eight years they no longer um hold any validity so know that young fella understand what you're signing if you think it's about money start a trust put it in a different trust with your family if if it's your money you're worried about protect it if if you feel they're only after you for your money this is where it becomes hypocritical that's why you bought that chain that's why you bought that car that's why you have on that Gucci and that Louis Vuitton that's why you got on that $250,000 watch that's why you got a barber as one of your best friends that's why you got all of this stuff is to attract women it's not because you think it's fly you're doing it because you're trying to attract women and then when you attract women who are attracted to those things that you put out there then you complain about it then you complain no that's when you can't do it anymore your feelings get hurt that you can't afford the lifestyle anymore and you blame the female well right you did an interview and you talked about this whole situation you said I don't understand why the NBA doesn't provide athletes with an apartment A Car you could drive a liaison a chaperone and security you go play in Europe you have it like that Y and you know this is how you wash your clothes you don't need a thousand chains you don't need seven Watchers on one wrist or seven cars you have one butt just because you met her in the club doesn't mean she's the one you bring back to your house exactly see and this is this is the deal you get all this bado they brag about you coming in oh man here such and such such and such a girls all of a sudden run to your to your section they hit you with the sweet voice you think and this is so funny Charles barley used to say man you think you got that new T that new contract because you're talented no you got that new contract because the guy in front of you got a good contract and you got 5% more than he did H so when the NBA my first year I was at $230,000 a year and I was in the top four pay five paying on the squad right now you're getting contracts there's nil deals nil deals that are making quadruple what I made my in my whole life right so when you get that you don't realize you don't know the best thing about LeBron is that he had his crew he had this guy go to that school that school he had his mom knowing what she did and he he put people around him to take care of the problem and he could trust them I've been in a situation when I lost a lot of money with an account right there's there's guys that have been bamboozled robbed that thought they were doing great so in Europe you know when I pulled up man they I had a BMW I had to I was in Dominique's old house so Dominique had played the year the year before I got there and was this in Greece yeah in Greece he told me about this I remember in our interview he said it was like gold toilets yes he said yeah he told me about this house three level and first it it was insane yeah the Greek team asked me would I come over for a vacation and visit I went over there and visit and uh it was just one of the most breathtaking moments I've ever had as a as a player to be treated the way I was treated in Greece uh they gave you the world and so I was like how can I turn this down and I was the highest paid guy in Europe at that time I mean soccer or or basketball so it was just a just an offer I couldn't refuse well right cuz you had two years left on your Celtics contract mhm but you had a buyout option right so they basically bought out your contract and gave you 7 million for two years which is 3 and half million a year which like you said was the highest paid athlete in all of Europe more than the soccer players yeah I made more than that it was it took a lot for me to lead you know the NBA and but they took care and you don't you don't pay for anything especially in those days everything is taken care of oh yeah I heard the house they put you in had like gold toilets something like that something like that uh yeah had Kitchen on every Flor four floors all marble 14 karat go is it was it was a stupid house first thing I wanted right outside the house is dirt roads so in this huge mansion no phone jacks uh you got to use your cell phone and that was erson and it can work from the basement to all you girls that say oh I was in the basement I didn't hear my phone you're a liar work uh yeah that house was but I had a driver I had a interpreter and these two dudes were with me everywhere driver would park and they'll just wait and we would go in and then he was security too and you knew how things work you knew where to go when I was on Chicago man I say this all the time Jud bushler Steve cerr they made sure I knew how to get to the airport back to the game and back let's go to dinner with us to the restaurant over here you don't have that you have you come in there with your crew and your crew doesn't know anything they're not from that town you run into some bad situation I think they would take care of their product better in soccer they do this the way I'm telling you is how they do it in soccer oh yeah no I mean we talked about the whole situation with uh telair when he was in front of Justin in New York remember the whole situation his Rockefeller chain got snatched and then a whole situation happened over that which ended in fabulous getting shot not to say that telair crew had anything to do with it but I'm saying it was the chaos yeah of it all which ended with a famous rapper getting shot and he end up losing a $20 million didas deal over this whole situation you're hanging out at Justins which is Diddy's old restaurant and someone snatches your chain it was a Rockefeller chain yep okay what happens somebody stashed my chain it was like and he Up N I don't know but it wasn't like a an armed robbery it was like someone just grabbed it right um yeah it was somebody just um grabbing it ran off right type type of thing it was like I had my uh I was with my ex my ex-wife at the time and while I was driving the Flying Spur and I I parked it right in front of Justin's so I get out we going in it give us our table we sitting down a couple of minutes later the valet was like oh they told me the car you got to move the car so I get out move the car whatever when I'm coming back in kid came off the wall Just sh took off I turned around looking at him like just took off running but then fabulous gets shot and then the rumor was like okay this was retaliation for the chain snatching from someone from your crew and it it turned into a whole big thing which from what I understand is is even true yeah because that's what the newspaper got to do sell a little sell a sell a [ __ ] and then I'm connected to the NBA so of course that's an easy sale was that the reason why you lost your deal with Adidas yep it was a $20 million deal yep and and I had I had like a $6 million check pending right there so they just snatched that right back and yep ad is super bogus for that yeah Adidas is super bogus if you go to my documentary and they ask Adidas like why y'all signing Sebastian like what he you know he brings to Adidas and they was like street credibility that's Street Credibility they said that that's on my movie y'all could look that up right there and this is the head of Adidas what he bring Street Credibility soon some Street [ __ ] supposedly jump off y'all go snatch all the money back which he was essentially the victim in but this is what happens when you have a big crew of people you got to bring your whole neighborhood with you you know con Island's in the house like you know taking care of your your projects like right it's our turn it's our turn you know and and he he's one of these guys who was a superstar in high school who you know like we talked about he was on the the cover of Slam with LeBron and that the caption was these two guys the future of the NBA yeah you know what I'm saying like that's where he was positioned and just a couple of bad turns along the way and you know a couple of Trades and it didn't work out here didn't work out there he didn't he didn't have the career that he was supposed to have right so um and and I think you could really point the finger at him always trying to take care of the people around him as opposed to focusing completely on himself because no one he he wasn't allowed to you know what I'm saying he was allowed to he's a grown man I know it seems like gr man but this is the difference at one point you could say listen I I can't I ain't got it anymore okay I'm sorry you're gonna have to do it for yourself yes you can go and the one time out of 20 I'm telling you no is this one time and y'all gonna have to just deal with it right easier said than done Alan Iverson was the biggest victim of this one and I saw I remember seeing Allan out with like 20 guys it it was crazy to watch Antoine yeah Walker Antoine Walker um but let me let me tell you what happens but first things first those guys did what was necessary those guys made sure everybody around them enjoyed their lifestyle that life for amount of time my cousin Sabrina and my brothers my cousin Russell we all lived in the mansion in Detroit they all thank me for that time because even though it was my life they were living it with me so they got to you know like my daughters got to on private flights and to the point my little girl didn't even know it was she goes why are we taking this plane let's take the little plane like we been like like she wasn't understanding when we were at LAX she was like why are we around all these people who are these Sav TSA what is that I got to drag this thing for how long you know it's security huh no I'm just the plan's right there I'm just going to walk out the door so it's it's they are allowed to live this life life the difference is somebody was so smart with LeBron and I'm going to use LeBron because LeBron did a show um what was it on HBO uh survivors remorse it it was it it showed how you can get caught up into these situations um but understand in the community I remember I told my mom yo mom going to buy you a house you don't have to clean I'm Popp buy you a car you don't have to fix um we're going to live in a house together and all and all of that I did not knowing that I should have I was blessed the best way of doing it is tell people hey I can't feed you from the limbs of the tree but I'm G feed you from the fruit of the tree right now tell everybody hey first three anybody going now said hey I'm going get a signing bonus but that's not a signing bonus because I'm going to have to pay taxes on that in the back but if they give me a signing bonus and I got eight people I'm going to take care of each of them getting $100,000 that's $800,000 out of the way then you tell them hey I were you guys I would get together I would pull the money together let's buy some franchises that way y'all can keep making $100,000 a year the more franchises we buy um I'm not saying as I heard Chris Brown had 14 Burger Kings I know that oh really yeah I know that Rick Ross got Wing sto I don't look at Shaq yeah Shaq got a whole food Empire Whole Food Empire yeah I I understand it if somebody had taught us this is what you should do and everybody was in understanding cool I I bought a 4,000 foot house it was $500,000 it's now selling you said it to me it's now selling for $8.9 million yeah and to be in the middle of Detroit brand new beautiful I I snuck in beautiful you snuck into your old house I snuck into my old house last uh is it like a church now or something or no it was owned by the by the arch dases when I bought it okay oh no yeah yeah yeah I think an architectural firm bought it and they're redoing the whole thing beautiful they did an unbelievable job but it it's things that you're not taught what to do and what to say and how to go about it Shaq was blessed Shaq had um his mom and his dad was like got to go through us if he ain't doing nothing till this is in the play one of the best ones I heard was um uh Jordan um Deontay Jordan um his mom wouldn't let him buy anything until the second deal and the second deal came around he brought a as the mark that I know you have to take off your legs to put in but he finally got the car he wanted I don't know if he still has it but she was smart enough to say the first contract is going to be the roots The second contract you can spend you could you can W out a little bit but knowing that that money doesn't last forever oh yeah I mean when I talk to Rashard and he didn't have a very long you know NFL career but he had a you know a fairly good one you know from 22 well no four years M four years or or no five years I think he left at his junior year and he told me that he bought a used uh jaguar and he still had that car like 10 years later when he was like writing for Ballers and stuff like that he still had that old Jaguar he bought his mom like a $300,000 condo you know what I mean like everything he bought was relatively inexpensive and he still has money today he doesn't wear designer clothes he doesn't have jewelry he understood that this was a limited run he took it seriously and financially he's he's fine he's not super wealthy but most people in his position would have been broke right now but he was actually smart with his money lucky cuz Muhammad Ali went broke yeah this is another thing what happened with Sebastian um he was like he he's a grown man he he was it was his turn out of Brooklyn and everybody around is like people want to see you you know what I'm saying and the walking around looking like a rapper being like that yeah no no he he talked about he said that actually that was a problem in some of his like early teams like when he went to um Portland where he was the dude that was loued out Bentley and you know and some of the superstars on the team weren't doing that that caused a certain level of resentment so later on his career he had to tone it down yeah uh but I mean look it's one of those things he talked about where you know at the end of our interview he was like yo how come NBA players don't have hedge funds you know he was was saying how the NBA pension fund was going to start their own bank at one point so they could actually give loans to the players themselves without having to go through an outside entity and and you know we talked about how in these locker rooms no one's really talking about business you know you got a100 million doll in this room and people aren't making deals and and aren't starting businesses aren't talking about Investments and like youo that has to change yes the LeBron's it doesn't really matter LeBron can't go through all his money right but LeBron does not live next to his teammates he lives in a totally different part of the city right Kobe did not live around his teammates a typical NBA locker room you got $100 million in that room easy right okay whenever I've asked someone how often are the players talking about investments in that locker room I always hear never people talk about a car they purchase they talk about a trip they talk about buying their mom a house some jewelry but no one's like Hey listen I just invested in the S&P 500 I just bought these stocks I just you got your group you got your group but as a whole you have $100 million which could be a hedge fund you want know why why is that because you got 10 agents controlling that conversation all 40 or all 400 of them players ah you got 10 agents controlling it we supposed to been and a guy like Billy Hunter not foll not being able to follow through his plan cuz Billy Hunter was up there saying we about to buy a bank for you guys wow okay yeah he was talking like that we about to buy a bank um oh guys are coming out the leag early this is what I'm going do not only you goingon to have a 401k and your pension we GNA get you a SEP IRA a Roth account we going to get you a bridge account they got seven eight accounts now that's why you don't hear nobody crying broke you know what I'm saying so so so a bank sounds awesome though I mean because the bank could give loans to the players and everything else like that why are we not hedge funding exactly that's the number why NBA players is not hedge funding right you guys can make group Investments together because you can't have that though CU then it' be some real wealth they want they they like the perception that is real wealth it's not real wealth around the NBA that and that's I I promise you that because soon I say that someone's going to say they're going to bring up the richest dudes they're going to say LeBron got a billion dollars that's one dude nobody lives in the community with him yeah you know what I'm saying so I'm advocating to open up different fields also we got too many of our kids trying to go to the NBA right when we know it's only 400 jobs and we got to realize that where that money is coming from who else lives in Lebron community and they don't they don't play basketball plus is a difference yeah so first thing is is it's really hard to be great at something in this one lifetime if you're blessed enough to be a Serena Williams or Venus Williams or Tiger Woods I'm just mentioning black folks a Shaquille or Michael Jordan if you're blessed enough to be in that situation God bless you Denzel Washington but you're working really hard at being good at that when do you have time to be really good at Finance you don't you have to if you want it accounting you can't be good at that good at investing and good at basketball and it just you you it's it's yeah no I I feel you I'm not good at accounting I'm not good at paying taxes I have someone who I trust who handles it all right we always run into the the wrong snakes who we should not trust I had a guy it's worst thing in the world I'm not going to say his name and give him any publicity worst thing in the world seemed like he was helping me seemed like everything was great terrible and he was black mess it up even worse for me because I was so on that you got to be black now so uman Johnson doesn't have to say it to me I didn't I mentioning that I'm mentioning that I literally tried for years to start this thing on helping guys and prove to them as black people we can do this just hear me out hear me this is try this try to get to that you're not going to talk in the locker room because being on a in a sports team and I'm not making it any short of anybody in the military but you don't know if the guy next to you is going to get his head blown off tomorrow or you are so there's no really being close to people and I'm not having conversation with you about finances I I I already know you mad I got traded here because I took your boy spot we already got a problem chemistry it's what I'm telling you you're not I I went we was with uh Merl Lynch still they didn't want to do it didn't want to hear it the NBA started sending guys around is important that you have these meetings uh Jimmy Jackson and I was looking into and Jimmy got into it into boutique hotels and I thought that was a great idea Mash bur got into cars just like um Westbrook Westbrook owns these cars dealership these stores are going to pay them for the rest of their life at least a million dollars a year a lot of people didn't have those opportunities and they already people were already in their pocket and in their head yeah yeah that that's the sad part yeah that's the sad part especially because this is uh the weird part about professional sports is that your salary is broadcast in the world yeah people could guess how much money I have but it's just a guess and you can be a you could you could work until your 65 true these guys have four years is the most 3.2 two years it to make to make their fortune and then they have to go to work the depression I had when I retired bro the first time in 1996 I'm telling you um I I not getting up and going to practice FL oh my God Gilbert aren has told me the same story yeah he said that when he retired and he had tons of money because remember he had a deal that gave him like a 100 million or something for to not even play and he said what he would do is he would get up in the morning and he would go to somewhere in LA and he would pick the longest possible route he could take you know how usually you pick the shortest route he would go the opposite he would pick the longest possible route so he could just sit in his car and waste time cuz he had no idea what to do with himself used to okay now The Season's starting I got to go to practice I got to start working out get my body right whatever he's been doing this since he was a teenager that's all gone what does a retiree a 32 year old retiree who's worth a100 million spend their days over the next like year or two uh trying to find out who the [ __ ] he is hm miserable really you're miserable yeah huh huh I did not expect this answer okay because you know like any athlete right from the ages of 6 seven years old all we knew was one thing hoop yeah hoop school right summer hoop play right hoop hoop hoop Who who okay so you you were how old when you started playing six I started at 10 at 10 yeah you were a little bit later yeah I was later so from 10 years old but you were non-stop yeah so so so 10 to 32 nonstop all I knew was basketball right that's all I I knew regimen wake up ball sleep wake up ball sleep wake up ball eat like that was it yeah right you know you know my career right you know I'm not partying as much during the season because that's the weird thing about NBA players that you know they they work their asses off during the summer and then in the season starts they want to party more because they get to go to every city which is stupid right it's supposed to be the other way around Focus during the season party in the summer um so you know I handicap you know don't use phones don't party as much go to two three cities don't drink you know like there's there's things that I put so when I'm done and say all right Gilbert have fun enjoy life all right cool a week goes by you know the summer goes by and then what ends up happening is this is what happens to every athlete the season changes their season right I can can smell when The Season's starting getting a little colder you know that that September that September smell is coming so what ends up happening is my body naturally goes into get ready for the season mode huh okay well unfortunately there's no [ __ ] season yeah but for the last [ __ ] years of my life 22 years my body two3 of your life my body has been programmed 5 wake up right train go to sleep eat lunch train wake up boom train so now when training camp starts cuz every athlete they're going to get antiy they're going to start doing a lot of this when the season getting ready to start and now there's no season so what happens you're sitting there like what the [ __ ] do I do with this time all right I woke up at 5:30 all right okay I'm go to the gym okay and so what I did when I first you know retired I had to try to figure out how to be busy between 9 :' and 12 and then this lunchtime then I go to sleep and then about 5:00 to like 8 be busy again so what I caught myself doing not even noticing not even really understanding it I'm driving from Calabasas all the way to downtown just to kill time just to kill time in traffic just listen to music got a [ __ ] playlist trying to like you know how like it's like all right take this route for a shorter I'm taking the longest route right just driving to downtown driving back by the time I get back it's noon [ __ ] lunchtime go get some lunch go my TV pass out wake up do it again I spent a year driving in traffic wow like I'll buy a new car and I got like [ __ ] 30,000 miles on it in a year because I'm just [ __ ] in traffic the whole time and your family used to fall in line like my wife would be like it was no noise in the afternoon when I was taking my nap none like if if the gardener came too late be like dude to what you no can't can't cut today it it was everybody knew was part of the regiment it was part of the Superstition we're going to drive this way we're going to leave at this time don't have on too much perfume because I don't I'm in the car I don't need to be smelling that like guys walk in the locker room smelling perfume [ __ ] it's a game [ __ ] you doing you know what I'm saying um it's just a a way and you don't want your routine messed up and so once that routine is in the situation I remember my wife was asked me one time she's like hey can you come fix this light bulb I was like who fixed the light bulb when I was at work he like well you fired him I was like oh you know cuz we when when I had Mr John working for me you know he was Butler of sorts I got I brought back from Canada his course I needed I needed somebody greatest guy too he was a sergeant in the Canadian Army no in the British army man he cut your throat in a second um but you know when you have everybody all these different people all these different handlers and then you're no longer playing you don't need the handlers anymore but the presidents get to keep Secret Service yeah you know once you get to that lifestyle it's it's a trip to dial it back yeah well uh Sebastian telair told me an interesting story he said that uh he was uh working out this one time and Kobe was in the gym with him and Kobe walked up to him and said uh you know how I know you can't guard me you came here on a bus I came here on a helicopter you lifing weights okay and Kobe like you you can't I never started a conversation with him that's so funny he just came over there so I guess that was SM problem you gota wait till him come to you but um Kobe is like man you know how I know y'all can't guard me so I'm like how you know we can't guard you he said when the ball come in and come hit my hand I know y'all got here on a bus I said like you know every team comes on a bus you could leave from the hotel every team no matter who it is he's on a bus he said I got here on a helicopter I just got off a helicopter you got off a bus I'm I'm it's a bucket and I'm sitting there just stuck like I remember sharing that story with KD and Westbrook I remember Katie looking at me like I'm about to go ask Kobe he say this and I'm sure he probably got an opportunity to ask him but yeah definitely y shout out to co man that's that's like that's the Legacy we gonna miss oh psychological warfare you can't guard Kobe because his offense is unguardable it was already proven by what Michael did I I love when people show um side by-side video and they're doing the same moves it's UNG godible it's UNG goodable so like like I said seeing LeBron Go full speed taking off and dunking the ball I I would have so moved out of the way so many people challenge it would be no I would not go up to challenge there's certain people Charles Barkley 6'4 but when he was going to the basket no one got in his way so there's certain things that are unguardable and him talking to Sebastian like that he was the only way the only way to try to get into his brain plus he was so much younger in him he knew he was already he had to be some sort of fan just have to go into his bra just mess with his yeah mess with his head that's all it was yeah I remember I interviewed Joe Smith and he played with LeBron Kevin Durant Allen Iverson Kevin Garnett and Kobe and he said that Kobe's hunger was different yeah and we're talking about all time great that we're naming right now yeah he said that something about Kobe when it came to playing the game and winning was different than all these other greats what was different with Kobe than other players you played with um I think he had a different hunger I mean we all see it and we all we all can uh you know kind of tell but like it was from playing with I played with Kevin Garnett I played with Kevin Durant I played with LeBron twice I played with AI and his hunger was different and it was I can't put a finger on what it was but he was it's just had his will not to lose was was just different I mean he come in and uh just instruct how how he instruct practice how he goes through practice um his knowledge of the game and and what he expects defenses to do to him so uh he's prepared when they when he when he sees it out there on the floor I mean it's a it's a whole different preparation that he has for the game that you know you see anywhere else because he spent more time doing it hm like he okay so Kobe's father Jelly Bean he had some dough he went to Italy he was killing in Italy they had money in Italy Kobe's not from a struggle yeah so he only had to practice he's not from the hood only had to play basketball yeah period only had to play basketball as many hours as you want and you you got the DNA from your dad he never had to go get a job he went straight at 17 years old 18 years old into to the NBA so he' never only thing he ever had to do was play basketball right everybody else had to take care of everybody else Kobe didn't have to do that H so he had 100% Focus 100% And he was too young to go anywhere and and he was still living at his mom's house with with his dad so it may have been the house he paid for or whatever when he got out here but he had a room in the house so he only had to focus on basketball and he only wanted to focus on basketball oh he went out with Brandy oh wow Brandy and he you know they did the whole Hollywood thing just to get whatever but Kobe's only only he had to do is what he always had to do wake up somebody was gonna feed him he's gonna go play basketball what are you gonna do today go play basketball he didn't go to movies he didn't go to the ball he didn't go roll es skate rink right didn't go to none of that n none that none of that that anybody else does as a teenager that Kobe do so when you play with Kobe we play B after the practice and then after the media leaves and they clear him out we play one-onone he still stayed in the gym that's all he did he was nine I think 8 o'clock or seven o'clock he's in the gym at uh Go's gym for an hour then he's at breakfast at 8:00 then he comes over to The Practice Facility by 9 o'clock we got to be there at 10: Kobe's there at 9 o'clock 910 Kobe leaves 3 o'clock four o'clock it's a full day for him he goes home he watches film on basketball the only thing he did different was when he was doing his record that's the only time he we were at Sony and he was in the studi was rapping yeah yeah that that didn't really work out but you know because because all of his he got the shot which most rappers don't get the shot and the video and you know the whole living that that part out hey I got to do a musical three years ago I couldn't wait to do a musical I was like man this is gonna be like you know like comment like I'm it's a great great piece so he got to at least try it but his Focus was basketball well uh the Department of Justice is actually probing the NBA when when it comes to Ice Cube's big three uh I guess they you know well Ice Cube is claiming that the NBA's been pressuring players and advertisers not to work with the big three and you know if there's a doj probe there might be some legs to this might be a lawsuit you know might be a settlement we don't know uh Ice Cube got an impact award at the Basketball Hall of Fame recently thought which was amazing yes congrats ice CU um you yourself were to the big three yes the big three has had some issues didn't the season end early okay you were the commentator yeah I was side comment so what happened is the the next two years or the year after it ended early for a financial reason right this is the deal you remember uh Bill Gates got in trouble for starving out other companies in his business as well they came in they were like you bought these companies or you act like you got involved so they wouldn't move the NBA doesn't want anything anything going after its brand to the point where ESPN had a three- on3 tournament three on three thing yeah they wind up shutting that down having the retired players um NBA players with some cache added to yeah we still want to see these guys who we used to cheer play the whole time but if you have a league think about let's think about football right we had when Donald Trump don't yeah usfl now they the NFL has something to do with it oh they're part of that now yeah so that's why we have football in the middle of the month middle of Springtime because we can't get enough of it after February so now we got something else to get into guys who need to get it yeah I mean competition is competition look what Saudi Arabia is doing in Golf and boxing now yeah like they're they're really all they're doing is jumping in the game yeah and they're putting their money in and people don't like that when when you're the only game in town that's what people have to come PJ is trying to get players not to play in Saudi Arabia but at the end of the day competition's competition and look if you have a retired player who still wants to play and there's a check yeah you know especially if they didn't manage their money great they need the money on top of that even if they don't need the money think about this they're playing I remember Mark Jackson said to me hey where out there Mitch Richmond um Kenyan Martin these guys are way younger than me they were like hey man we playing up here in calabas it's like you should come through and run with us I said y'all still play basketball I I was yeah because you don't play anymore no yeah no and I could not believe it they were like yeah we you still get our run on and I'm thinking my coach Ted gusis what's up Ted he's 60 60 something years old Ted is still playing basketball and I was like yeah I I got it all out I I left it all in the NBA I don't I don't need that CH I told you it was at Cedric Entertainer's house this kid went around me so fast and my legs didn't move I was like I'm done you're done I'm done yo kid God bless a great run you got what four rings four rings 15 12 years 15 really hey I just don't have the desire to going into it but some guys still do well let's wish gears for a second now you've always been very involved in the comedy world yeah you have a lot of friends that are comedians you know me as well you a lot of regular guests on my show so when when Cat Williams did the equivalent of hit him up on Club sh Shay what did you think I thought it was the best interview I had seen Cat Williams cat said I had a chance to be involved with him but I at one time when I was out here first trying to get things going I found out we were both raised Jehovah Witness um so reading close to 3,000 books I do believe be being up on stage in the the uh Theocratic Ministry School which they call it in the window when everybody gives give these speeches come in with an intro his Vo vocabulary and his ability to he he made it a stage he made it a stage where it's now like sports it's battle rap it's battle R like comedy Now like Dave Chappelle said he [ __ ] up the game and D is like no he didn't what he meant is you now have to be in battle rap position C just took that mentality of I killed the stage I tore it up I burned it up and bought it to the masses that's what they do backstage it was like yo I don't want to go after him people no one wanted to go after Bernie Matt nobody earthquake can go after Bernie Matt earthquake and go out people don't want to go after earthquake shout out my man earthquakes man people don't want to go after they just whatever whatever cat said um he did it to put himself in in the position of being the best he could possibly be and he exposed some situations that he's been trying to get out for a long time but I think he is really really good and right at a lot of things I just also think that wearing a dress I mean Milt Burl did it uh Bill Ben Cosby did it uh most white comedians were addressed at some point Harry bellafante did it oh he did Harry balante did it know this and let's do it again in the movie Let's Do It Again written by Sydney porier and directed by Sydney porier Harry had to get that dress and they were trying to run at the end because they were trying to get away um in the movie so you know it's however they want to put it they always done it Shakespeare I mean they didn't allow women to watch the movie Shakespeare love women weren't allowed to be on stage so all no Shakespeare was all men right but in the movie Shakespeare and love they this is when they when they show that so men and dresses to some people are funny and not a bad thing but besides that um you know they made it a point we don't have to do it again we don't have to get it at that point uh I agree with some of the things he said if you want a gay actor you should there's a bunch of actors who are gay who have to play gay inside of the role you should hire a gay actor he won't be acting very hard it'd be a great situation I mean I kind of disagree disagree when it comes to this because it's called acting right right you're not being yourself you are being paid to be someone else that is the job requirement the best actor are the ones that you forget who they are you know the Daniel de lewises the Leonard DiCaprio they could transform into completely different human beings that's what makes them great but a gay guy playing gay guy okay like I get it but that's not really acting well they let a black guy play a gangster because that's the image they wanted to portray right or playing a thug mentality because they felt that's better at getting the point across I'm saying to you I know some great transactors right M and when they try to get somebody to play this a oh my God I can't remember I think the name of the movie is Sharon maybe I don't want to say the wrong name of the movie boy Patrick uh Patrick cage uh is in it and it's a movie about a trans actress a trans person in the movie and they use the trans person because you're going to get a truthful im a truthful display of what they're trying to get across no listen I'm I'm all for it and I think yeah when it comes to trans see blackface never worked even though they used to well except for except for Robert Donnie Jr yeah you got me on that one yep yeah and no one was mad at that some people wanted to be mad but no one really was mad at that no I didn't have a single black friend that had an issue with that I thought it was one of the funniest movies in the world and I thought he did a great job he killed it K he killed it and you know listen the whole dress thing I remember Dave Chappelle had this Oprah interview where he talked about uh being a Blue Streak with Martin Lawrence and he said how the director showed up with a dress was like Hey I want you to wear this dress you know for this like you know you're going to play this prostitute that helps Martin Lawrence Escape out of jail and he was like no I'm not doing this and I'm not going to wear a dress but lo and behold a clip surfaced with Dave Chappelle wearing a dress have you seen this well it wasn't a dress yeah had a tube top on he had titties right he had a tube top and earrings and lipstick yeah but he didn't have on a dress same difference no come on cut it out he was dressed like a woman how's that he was dressed like a woman but he wasar Dr like a woman and they were sitting down okaya it was a Howard Stern like an old Howard Stern clip right I saw it at the end of the day listen I don't give a [ __ ] you know I'm saying if you are an actor you should would get into the role as deeply as possible but at the end of the day you also have why would they need a man to play a woman well for comedy it's a it's a comedic thing a women playing woman is not that funny you saying women aren't funny women are funny but a man playing a woman is a different kind of funny what kind of funny it's it's it's more of a a visual funny you know you got a man who's dressed like a woman is obviously a man and that brings a certain comedy element to it listen if if you feel but but at the end of the day you know everyone has values me personally if I got offered a movie role to wear a dress I would say no okay why because it's just not who I am think about think about it's not who I am I'm also but I'm also not an actor think about the great people I'm also not an actor Dustin Hoffman I get it great job incredible job Robin Williams yes M fabulous great job the weighing brother I get it they all did great job Mar Wayne recently like defended men wearing dresses in movies what right if it if it fits if it fits listen I I I get it like it's not if this is what you do I fully support it I think that there's a certain stigma where oh black men are forced to wear dresses in order to get to the next level and you know there's always this where's the lion Denzel's never worn a dress and he's one of the most highly coveted actor in the world Samuel Jackson is the most is the biggest grossing living actor in America right now well Tom Cruz beat him but but no Tom Cruz did not beat him he did no no no no hold on he just beat him oh maybe maybe most okay but it's still very close very but this is the deal you named two this is the deal you you can run into a situation where you're both right okay I I'll keep going you're both right Will Smith's Never WN a dress Morgan Freeman's never worn a dress he James ear jones Lawrence Fishburn Don cheel Terrence Howard Ving Reigns Wesley Wesley Snipes War dress Vin rigns War dress Vin rigns oh was that the uh that uh Chuan Fu Chuan yeah thanks for all this okay you're right wesle Wesley was in that movie also yeah umal you're both right there's people who don't want to wear dress listen at the end of the day people choose their roles right people choose their roles and you could always say no you're not an employee of a studio you're an independent contractor you get offered a role and the answer is either yes no or well I want to negotiate the price and then at that point you figure it out the end of the day there's certain things that certain people don't want to do just for the check right I wouldn't wear a dress on video for a check not my thing I wouldn't do celebrity boxing for a check not my thing let me tell you what not my thing Sylvester alone said we're all hores and I said just depends on the price he said we put on makeup we put on outfits they tell us to wear we show when they tell us to show we talk when they tell us to talk and we shut up when we shut up tell him to shut up he said we're all hores so look at it that way all right uh all right but I I I also heard you um get a point about Taraji let's talk about that okay let's talk about let's talk about it I've discussed it a few times so so let's go ahead and talk about that I I I want know by the way I know teraj you know personally I don't know I did one interview with her during uh J right and I don't think she she's not mad at you because of the the your position in it but understand wait have you have you guys talked about me okay I she's no reason to be mad at you brought more light to the situation to so we can look at it differently yeah some of my comments have gone viral right Sharon Stone had the same problem Sharon Stone Sharon Stone who everyone knew who was in still was in the same situation where they would not pay her okay um Monique came out it wasn't even just being black it's females Serena William doesn't get paid with what men uh uh tennis players were getting well Fe female sports uh well when it comes to Serena Williams is a different situation because people watch the game to see watch to come see her so when they when they pay the top dollar to come see you you should get top doll top dollar get it but they have women have so have been underpaid for so long to the point where now it's so obvious to me because I remember not seeing it women in so many different positions so I understood her and I I understood I understood what you were thinking but if she didn't say anything and then Sharon Stone doesn't say anything and and Monique doesn't say anything and the um uh next actress doesn't say anything uh an haway doesn't say like they have to say something to get the level of the money back up I I I get it and number one I am all for people expressing themselves at no point have I said that she shouldn't have the total and complete right to express her frustration in a business that she's put so much of her life into I'm also a huge Taraji P Hanson fan right I've seen essentially all her movies and every role she's killed it every every every role she's not slouched in a single movie I've ever seen she's always I feel was a standout goes above and beyond if it was up to me she would be the star of every movie that I would ever put together right because I think she is that good unfortunately I'm not a filmmaker you know I make YouTube content it's a little bit different my point in what I said was this as a business owner i' I've dealt with Hollywood as well my first project my first real film project was a documentary which was purchased by image entertainment it was on Netflix it was on BET I got a check it took like four months of sitting in a in edit Bay put it all together was the producer and the director took a lot of work a lot of my life it was a great project it was you know at the Grand Lakes theater you know in Oakland I was very proud of it my parents were there to see it and everything else like that I got a check for like 25,000 and never saw a residual payment after that you know what I'm saying and that was it to this day you're talking about 16 years later I've never seen a penny off Ghost Ride the Whip ever since I got paid why because they claimed it didn't make its money back you know Hollywood has very interesting accounting practices you know what I'm saying very interesting accounting practices which made me say okay I can get mad and I can complain about how I'm not getting paid what I feel I deserve based on the work I put in and this was a project that was very well received you could ask anyone in the bay they've seen that project or I could say Okay instead of working with these big companies and waiting for them to pay me I'm going to put the power in my own hands and I'm going to start creating my own projects and that was my point when I said what I said about teraji that look and a lot of people point out well she's an actress she's not a director she's not a producer she's not a writer you're absolutely right but she has access to all these people and they all love her and respect her so my point of view there's nothing stopping her from creating her own projects when you compare her to the Reese Witherspoon of the world and say oh look re Reese Witherspoon is worth a billion dollars and she's only worth like 12 million because Reese Withers created her own production company started creating her own projects she had the opportunity teraji has the opportunity you're not going to tell me she does have the opportunity she's had she's always had the opportunity she just chose not to do it and that's in her that's her right but if you want in the words of uh Fred the hammer Williamson who's done a million movies he said he who counts the money first counts the most money okay so all I said was and and me and Michael J white were here yesterday talking about this and we're actually saying how these conversations might actually trigger something in her to actually do this is yo put together your own projects partner with the director partner with a writer partner with a producer create your own projects they may not be Benjamin Button with 150 million dollar budget but it'll be a project that you have ownership in and you will get paid based on how well the project actually performs or if it's a great project that you put together on your own there will be a bidding war over that project do you think the role she played in Benjamin Buton that she was only Brad made 10 million she made 150,000 do do you she asked for 500 they only gave her 150 so you understand not only as a female as a black person we were it's so common to be dissed that we so used to it that we take it and shve even in that situation they were like as important of a role that she had in Benjamin Button they still was like we don't care there's a ceiling that you just can't see her role was an important role but it wasn't she was like a fifth lead she was very important no no no no if if you look there's actually a listing she's like fifth lead on that role in the end and she ended up getting a um nominated for best supporting actress in that role and ultimately look she came in she asked for 500 they said all we could do is 150 she could have walked away from that role but she decided you know something I'm gonna take less money and I'm gonna be show my stuff I'm gonna show my stuff and I'm gonna kill this role I'm gonna get nominated for this role and I'm sure she made millions of dollars because of her performance in that role after the fact you know how entertainment goes how many free interviews have you done in your life oh yeah Bunch how many free interviews have I done tons right you do a lot of stuff for free or for very low money because at the end of the day there's different reasons you do things when it comes to publicity and certain looks and stuff like that and you'll make the money later on you know what I'm saying do you understand why she's upset Benjamin Button came out before 2010 yeah she took the pay cut then to get to 2024 and be the same sugar honey iced tea That's not right she's a nominated actress yes she should have been revered on that set paid but people were like hey we don't care what you did before what have you done for me lately that's what she's talking about it's like she doesn't get the respect she so clearly from my point of view as a business owner the route that she's taking of going to these third- party companies and expecting them to pay what she we still got to get past the gatekeeper so let me tell you why Perry Tyler Perry went All Around The Gatekeepers created his own production company built his own studio and is worth a billion dollars doing non-traditional lower budget films and she and she actually got her biggest check ever from Tyler Perry correct to star in that one in that one movie but that's but that's what I'm trying and that's what I'm saying if I was her I'd be like [ __ ] Universal [ __ ] Sony I'm just gonna rock with Tyler Perry and I'll just keep doing Tyler Perry movies he values what it is that I do or I'm going to start putting together films where I'm not going to take any up front I'll just take a percentage of the film which a lot of actors have done throughout history like she said she still got to eat every day she still it was hard to live here in California and not go out there hustling all the time even if she does hustle and doesn't get the movie or gets the movie and she finishes she can't do the next thing because she's still under contract here it's not like like it was they were dropping movies don't take a year to put together you're shooting for a certain amount of yeah but then you don't get the audition for the the next row or the next row or saying [ __ ] these auditions like at some point as an adult you have to realize this is not giving me what I want listen I love DJing I love it I adore it it was it it was the fire in my in my veins to be in front of a crowd with thousands of people and rocking out I love it at some point in time I said I'm getting older this DJ [ __ ] is not going to keep working into my 40s and 50s and 60s you know by my early 30s I said I have to find something different this is where Vlad TV started to form early on originally was with DVDs and it slowly you know when YouTube came around I saw the opportunity of it a chance to own my own content and look you and I live close to each other yeah you're way more famous than I am right way more famous but we're neighbors exactly what rock said cck Rock said I chose to take Les less Fame but more money right you see what I'm saying but so understand when you have Fame that doesn't bring more money it doesn't money sometimes sometimes it and this is the decision that every Entertainer must make are you going to take the the most Fame you could possibly get which will often times be a little bit less money than you were hoping for or do you want to be less famous and have ownership Tyler Perry took Route number two and became a billionaire right but that's Tyler Perry he's not nominated for any Academy Awards and he probably never will be he's an anomaly and he's okay with that he's an anomaly that's so so let me tell you cuz Regina King makes her own stuff exactly um Queen Latifa yeah um but those are what I met by Gatekeepers I'm not talking about Tyler Perry and hold on do you think that Queen Latifa does things by herself because she doesn't no Shak Kim has been her business partner from day one you build a team of people around you that's what I was telling you about being you build a team it seems easy it's hard like you know how hard it is for me to trust people because of all the stuff I've been through you it's hard to build a team you you just can't it's just not as easy as it seems you're trying to live is easy it's always hard it's always hard it's always more it's easier to show up to a job and get a paycheck than to build your own company and pay other people you know I have 20 people on payroll it's not easy there's a lot of pressure on me right okay sometimes it means I've had I remember I had a year where I didn't pay myself anything just so all my staff members can get paid I've never missed a payroll ever and one year it meant that I got zero as my salary wow and I I ate that I didn't cried any of my staff members I didn't lower any of their salaries I'm like yo they're doing the job they're supposed to do the company is not doing well because I'm the CEO and I'm the one steering the ship so I'm not going to get paid but what I'm telling you is that ownership Will trump paychecks in the long run almost every time unless you're an anomaly like a Tom Cruz or a huge Johnny Depp A-list Mega International Mega star and look like me and Michael Ja white actually talked about because when she was doing that interview and she was crying she was saying oh yeah what they always tell me is that you know that my celebrity doesn't translate overseas and what he brought up was very interesting he said this is true but not just because she's black or a woman it's because the only thing that really translates overseas are action movies White actors don't translate overseas when they're doing Dramatical films or comedies you think someone in Spain gives a [ __ ] about an American comedian they have their own meast star comedians they have their own meast star dramatic actors they're not watching you unless you're like doing a superhero movie or you're killing [ __ ] or blowing [ __ ] up action movies have always translated whether you're white black Asian look what the Korean market is doing right now they're killing it right now squid games and all these other like fighting films action translates unfortunately Taraji is not an action star so yes she doesn't translate overseas not because she's black or a woman any Merill Street doesn't translate overseas well hold on in some movies that she should have trans answer should have Benjamin Button worked overseas great film so but that was like more like a science fiction film right so let me hit you with what I realized and this was being on this show right so I supposed to be in Ghana in I 60 days remember I told you I was buying land and Ghana right finally going to see what we put our money into nice uh and I want to take what I want to take one of my daughters and then I W up having to take two and I was like oh I got this other hustle now I got to watch these broads because you know I got to be papa bear I realized there was 1 billion Africans I realized in Nigeria it was 200 million Africans so I said Hey how do I get in a Nolly film Nollywood film how do I get those stars to mix with American Stars let's do a movie that that that works for both for that St and that way we could at least have two million people at least 1% right yeah 1% might come see my movies or be involved in it that's what the difference is we have to start doing things like the Koreans they're not making the movies for anyone else they're just making the movie and this is what we're putting forth we're not we're not literally targeting anything we're targeting great great work and that somebody came to me and they said well you know it's not doing so well like The Color Purple musical even in black community black people don't watch the color I actually looked this up the color purple is actually um hold on a second I'll let you know right now because well what I mean is the color purle film right now had a $100 million budget and has made 60 million in the box office that's because it's looking like a losing project it doesn't transpire like my cousin said this and I had to sit there out he said man black folks don't really watch you know um musical I said that's not true we watch The Whiz we watch kmen plus those are movies like Carmen's 1955 and sometimes we watch you know what I'm saying they me they remade Carmen with Beyonce beyon and that didn't make it had great actor most def in it still didn't make well MTV movie or something yeah right it's just certain movies like you said if you get some suspense I got I got I got some stuff man cuz I well I just started producing now uh work in this thing called Dead mall I got a horror film because I don't like horror films I was afraid of horror films also translated naturally I saw get out and I said that's it yeah I mean it's it's a genre thing more so than being black or a woman you know what I'm saying theend Day end day this is not me saying this I brought an actual actor who's been acting for like 30s something years who now makes his own movies and I asked him I said listen Michael J white starred in spawn starred in Black Dynamite he was in Batman I was in Black Dynamite oh okay yeah that's what's up had a great had a great the animated one or the live action one the live live okay I'm jealous and Brian Mite yeah but we didn't get they they they they they killed us they killed you can see it when the credits are running right if we do a whole scene which was funny right but what I'm saying is I asked them you know cuz the outlaw Johnny Black he produced and directed it and and wrote it and I said when you look at all your Hollywood paychecks and there's a lot of them he's got like a 100 films under his and he's done Tyler Perry films and everything else like that he hasn't worked directly with Taraji but they've been on right they work the same production companies you know I say they're very close in terms of their overall vicinity and I said have you you know I'm not going to ask how much you made but have you made more getting a paycheck to be an actor or to do your own film he's like oh this film is not even close he pulled up in a new Range Rover like you know what I'm saying like he's he's happy right now but he decided to do his own project with his own people his own friends you know I mean I was supposed to be in it I'm still mad about that whatever but you know but he he brought all his friends to to go and play cameo role Samuel Jackson was supposed to be in it you know that you know he agreed to do it but they just couldn't make it happen because of his schedule you know I'm saying he put in his own you know cinematographers and he owns a project forever his kids will eat off of that you know and at the end of the day that's all I'm saying and I'm a fan of teraji I don't want anyone to think I'm dissing her or I I'm saying because the narrative is Vlad saying that she should accept less money than her co-stars it's like no I never said this no you didn't say I never said this you said you said the public doesn't want to hear you cry when you live in a $6 million and and that was actually below the belt and I I apologized about this I'm I'm sorry teraj you're right you know I don't know how you manage your money or whatever else maybe you made some good Investments which is why you have the money you have you know which is hard to do when you finish a movie yeah and then you trying that was that was below the belt and I'm sorry I should say I just know that as someone who has money myself no one wants to hear me complain about money either right you know what I'm saying saying that I was short at $350,000 on a particular deal when I live in a mansion like I I you won't live in a mansion long if you keep getting shorter and if if you don't say something people think it's okay to short you yeah and when you out it people then pay up cuz they don't want to be embar that part was below the belt and teraji if you're listening to this I'm sorry yes I'm sorry that had no place in the conversation okay you know what I'm saying but my point is okay I'm out of here thank you taji I told you I was gonna tell him my point is taji you have the opportunity at at this point in your life your age and your career to finally say I'm not going to keep running the same hamster wheel over and over again I could actually switch and there's so many people that will be completely supportive yeah of you doing this me being one of so me and my partner Eric Gordon right uh over film head seriously as much and the thing is teraji is so loved in the industry yeah not only the black community but in the white Community the Asian Community she's a great actress she's a great actress like I said in the beginning she's killed every role that she has ever done there's going to be directors actors producers videographers who would be willing to work with you for very cheap or for a percentage of the project because they believe in you and then you will get to count your own money you will get to pay yourself and it will be based on how well the project performs so nobody will be able to say I got shorted the project did great I made 100 million then you don't need to make 100 million either I did a movie called napol Ever After with saai lean saai was executive producer yeah and she did a she she did she did Justice by me for the amount of time I was there she paid me more than most people would have paid me for a small Cameo roll um but it is it let me tell you I'm I am the one of the celebrity ambassadors for the Pana African Film Festival this year we got 200 100 new movies out my my mentality has been hey I know which movies are really really good in this what you call it to go try to get them to get a deal to do a licens and deal with their movie and try to move it it's it's a hard way to run because I tell people there but so many hours in a day Netflix can't take everything yeah I'm trying to get to tuby it is just there's two be and here's here's the thing I remember TK Kirkland said this in our interview and I don't think this part is out yet but but this this is the cold this is the cold facts when it comes to this situation taj's upset that she got paid 150,000 for Benjamin Button which had a $150 million budget so she got like 0.1% of made2 billion yeah great film I watched it she got a little bit piece of my money you know what I'm saying right we talked about how you know Kevin Hart is seen as this big actor you know these days he's doing huge tours and film FMS he's starring the new Netflix film and everything else like that people forget that like around 10 years ago he was ice cold and he was doing YouTube videos chocolate dropper remember all those yeah he said all right no one's booking me I I'm not getting a lot for standup comedy no one's booking me for movies Paper Soldiers wasn't the greatest of movies you know Soul Plane came and went he started getting hot on YouTube which started translate into other projects and what TK pointed out is that 150,000 that she was complaining about in Benjamin Button if she started her own YouTube channel she can make that in a month easy and own her own content if you want to come to Hollywood you have a iPhone now they said teraj you made 150,000 on Benjamin Button you could put things together on your phone posted on YouTube yeah post it on different platforms and make that in a month yeah absolutely that in a month people forget because we were talking about Kevin Hart is at one point Kevin Hart was ice cold yes nobody cared about Kevin Hart Soul playe K went Paper Soldiers was a trash movie no one was really rocking with Kevin and he hit YouTube with the whole chocolate dropper thing and start doing skits YouTube building and building energy around his own content right and then he started getting booked more and then now look where he is he took it in his own hands on YouTube but the thing is is that when I noticed when I talk to a lot of these Hollywood especially the older Hollywood people they want to do their job and get their check yeah they don't want to do anything on their own if tarashi had her own YouTube channel making 150,000 to do whatever to do to do little skits to do to do interviews to do whatever to to make her own short films she can make that that easy 150,000 on YouTube is not that hard to do but you need 10 you need 100,000 subscribers you start with zero subscribers you don't think that shade room and all these other blogs wouldn't pick it up instantly and it grows very quickly it takes time I remember when I started Vlad TV in 2008 all my Hollywood friends laughed at me they said this is a waste of time there's no money in it you start going out and get more deals with Hollywood and I said n I'm good I'm going to make a little a bit of money here and over time I'm going to build a catalog you thought that yes when I when I first watched you I told you and I think I sent it back to you first time I saw you was in Florida believe it or not it was 2009 okay and this local dude had a show on channel 33 I thought I sent you the video and they replayed it that's why I was like hey you might want to talk to your boy CU they replayed it in 2021 one of your first interviews uh on Channel 33 in Miami and I remember saying man I should do that cuz I'm always going in people's you know you they in the dressing room before they go out yeah I'm in there with the black eyps I Queen Latifa was was I and I used to on the Best Damn Sport show have a cameraman with me and I would do these interviews and we would cut them up who knew that it was going to turn into what it turned into it's like I knew yeah you did no no I clearly knew it's taken me when when I first start here 2016 yeah it's taken me literally this long to do my own show in 2008 when YouTube start as partner program I knew instantly that this is going to be the biggest video platform on Earth which allowed me not only to own the content but also when I realized that other outlets other websites other blogs could embed your content and the advertising the views go back to the original video and I was doing DVDs at the time and the DVD Market was going away because you know DVDs were going away it was going into into like on demand you know streaming wasn't really around back then it was really more on demand I said oh this is what I've been waiting for chance to own my own content I don't have to wait on anyone else you know because you know how long movies take to approve like you know I was pitching so many documentaries until I got my one documentary approved I said no one has to sign off on this whatever creatively I could think of I could put out myself some of it will do well some of it might flop but the next day there'll be a whole new batch of videos and I get to get up to to bat again and look now you and I are neighbors me and de me and deal hugle one of the greatest comedians of our era lives lives down the street you know what I'm saying one one of the biggest radio hosts in America lives up the street one of the biggest rappers yeah Kendrick Lamar lives nearby you know I'm saying so does top who owns the label we're all neighbors yes we're all Neighbors neighb Kevin Gates Kevin Gates I just ran into him at the grocery store yeah yeah we chopped it up he's our neighbor as well we all live next to each other and we're all doing our own thing and we all have like you know what I mean we all went a own route you would think man all you guys should get together and we should do and Damon Wayne said you know um name oxy Mora he said black unity and I was like I'm not black by the way huh I just want to point that out that I'm not black you think that's what you think yeah you do that black that's you you think you AE black you see okay being that I played Detroit you played in Detroit and you still consider yourself a bad boy yeah you know although you played for you know the Bulls and the Lakers and everyone else like that Detroit is the team you identify with the most yes I do when Dr Umar Johnson said that em M you know the darling of Detroit said that and you are a real hip-hop head I love Eminem too he could not be considered the greatest of all time because he's not black do you agree or disagree no I disagree with Umar about color period it's certain things that uh I understand why he says what he says I am a fan of Dr Umar on a lot of things some things I wouldn't lean that way with and as he would say well you're just cooning I'm not cooning I'm just not agreeing um but Eminem should be in the conversation as one of the greatest rappers of all time it's it's the way he puts things together but in the conversation I'm still Coogi rap that's your favorite Coogi rapping Polo I I used to say my my cousin Michael and I will go into it I say if anybody has a list I want it like Coogi rap there's a rumor right now I'm not sure if it's true I should actually hit him about this gu his number that Alchemist and Coogi rap are working on an album really yeah that's gonna be yeah I love I love cooi rap I loved he I love Chino X XL man I thought he was dope um but you know I I think when it comes to Rhyman the just like Kobe and his Focus just being on basketball you can tell that's how Eminem that's how Eminem is cuz he still can tell you other people's Rhymes to this day he can reference other people's Rhymes just like L like the great rappers that did well they had pulled from everywhere oh yeah when you looked at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and all the rappers he shouted out it was like I've never seen a list that huge before yeah and and out of his brain out of his brain yeah no and he he truly is fans of all those guys right so to get into have that conversation I've heard him say some things go back and set him understand when he was attacking um I I just one same thing I said about MJ there's never going to be the greatest of all time the greatest in the 90s the greatest in two early 2000s um the greatest in the 70s because so much change but I Gotta Give It Up Michael Jordan is the greatest NBA player to ever say now I said it on your show I know Jaylen R jayen jaylen's gonna be like finally finally finally it's not Scotty Pippen anymore I said the most skilled player I know I know I know like when you see those throwing all that stuff but the greatest way but you know he was right I'm I'm a piston I'm designed not to not to like Michael Jor yeah I don't even think my leg works now that I even admit it I think it's I think my leg's gonna fall off right and and I just want to add this uh recently uh Jerry Krauss yeah um was honored yeah I was there at the the Ring of Honor IND induction ceremony his widow was there and you were there s right right behind uh Jordan wasn't there Pippen wasn't there Rodman wasn't there well Dennis flight got uh in Houston because of weather oh okay couldn't get there okay but Jordan and Pippen were not there Jordan Pippen were Michael sent a video ah okay they didn't play it nationally aha oh okay right I think I got it so I'll send it to you and from what I understand um his widow got booed because well she didn't get booed Jerry Krauss got booed so what happened is when they said he was villainized in the last dance yes is it because of that yeah yeah especially all the young kids who saw it he's the reason because he put the team together but he also broke it apart and he was determined to break it apart and no one understood no one understands that the difference with the Celtics and the Bulls is the Celtic Celtics ran it to the wheels fell off and then put a new wheel on but keeping the rest in place they kept the chemistry they kept the squad plus they won a lot of them 11 of them uh before 1970 um not taking away from Larry Bird or Antoine and Paul Pierce and and and um and kg but the mentality the the the culture like I said the chemistry and the culture I I think it was terrible when they started booing I was like oh my God the blessing is Ron Hopper got up and padeda and all of us started standing up and clapping and then they all started clapping it was a great great night that was the only thing that was a bad situation and that's the only thing they focused on so when I said because the rest of it I was there for three days and that was that was the worst part of it the best part of it is the Bulls when I tell you it was top of the top and I go back to Detroit and they do some cool things but the way the Bulls handled this uh my man Matt and and Kyle who took care of me it was it was like I was on a magic carpet for all those days and I got to see my boy Cliff Livingston and and Dicky Simpkins and uh Luke Longley Jake uh Jud bushler uh Cathy James Edwards Ron Harper Steve Kerr bill winon it was I'm telling you it was it was a great great Tony Cucos and I wish we could get to the story of Tony cucko man this was the deal he didn't if he would explained to Michael and Scotty how important Tony cucko was going to be for the Chicago Bulls if if that would have been a thing as opposed to I'm bringing in the next wave while you got the Messiah right here on your squad you know may have been handled improperly but Jerry cross was a hard worker he loved nothing more than Chicago Bulls too bad that you know those people didn't see it that way well yeah he was a six-time NBA champion as an executive two-time NBA executive of the year and he got the Chicago Bull Bulls uh Ring of Honor yeah on top of it I mean he was a force to be recognized he was a but you know they didn't like the last dance pissed off Scotty a lot of people actually horrus oh man um but it was it was Michael's way of getting back yeah that was it was was a [ __ ] you to everybody that was that was his chance that was his chance that's what it is John Sally man always a pleasure John Sally podcast come on right after the Vlad show there we go peace
