John MacArthur - Bible Questions and Answers, Part 31

it's question-and-answer time I hope my answers match your questions so what we want you to do is just come up to a microphone near and we'll take the questions and do all we can to give you an answer yes we'll start in the middle right here think Danny was the first one up there thanks John all we just want to say thanks to you for the question answer nights and I always look forward to as you all know yeah this is a question I've been saving since you were preaching in Matthew 17 oh brother so it has to do with to what extent do you believe that cases of epilepsy and lunacy today are due to demon possession and would it be possible to cure these illnesses by casting out these demons through such as our exorcism yeah I have to say this I think personally from just understanding the New Testament record and and knowing that demonic forces are powerful strong and the fact is we do wrestle against not flesh and blood but principalities and powers according to Ephesians 6 I think a lot more mental illness and a lot more aberrant and abnormal behavior can be attributed to demonic work than we ever imagined I think a lot of it is functional disorder a lot of it such as epilepsy can definitely be due to a physical problem rather than a spiritual problem but I think what can be diagnosed as epilepsy can usually be ignite nyog no Staz such by virtue of some physical things today we have sophisticated enough diagnosed diagnostic techniques to do that but I think there is behavior that might appear to be epileptic that definitely could be demonic and the answer to the question do I feel that a lot of it could be eliminated by casting out demons I don't believe necessarily today that the Lord calls us to cast out demons I believe anyone who comes to Christ will be freed from that and any Christian who is obedient to Christ will be freed from that it's not a question of having to go around and cast those out that was a very unique Ministry of Christ and the Apostles in a sovereign way I just spoke to demons and they left and the apostles as well I think today we have no such ministry existing in the church but the promised resist the devil and he will flee from you and we come to Christ greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world so yes I do believe that much of mental illness is a result of demonic and satanic activity but it's hard to just isolate it because it's a result of sin it's a result of willful choices made by human beings and it certainly involves Satan and if we knew the truth that we would know that standard psychological answers don't solve that problem I think we've basically in our contemporary psychological approach to these problems have come to the fact that you know for the most part psychology doesn't help and so if you have severe problems what will happen and I can tell you I've been in mental institutions all around this area calling on people and visiting people and so forth inevitably what happens when a person goes in there is they don't have any cure they just give a medication to calm the symptoms they can't deal with the problems I just got an article the other day across my desk which I've started to read which basically talks about psychology and its inadequacy there's another new book called psychological seduction written by the man who's a chairman of the psyche psychology department at Boston College I think it is who is a very respected academic who says psychology as such the whole business is bunk because it's it's shown now that they can't get to the problems just through psychological means as a solution it doesn't really work so I think the reason it doesn't work in many cases sometimes it does people just need guidance but the reason it doesn't work is because the forces there are greater than can be dealt with with just human information or human technique and I think it is supernatural but I think the answer is to come to Christ and then to live an obedient life I don't want to oversimplify but I think that's it can I ask one more quickie somewhere I've been following the Bible science panel and the spoke their age of the earth in different years by analyzing the you know so and so begat telling so and all that what how does the Bible say that there is well one of the things we we have passed down to us was what was known as asurs dates the man named assure us SH er and he did some calculations based upon the genealogies of Genesis and many of those genealogies and early in Genesis have time you know they tell us how old people were so forth he figured that all out and estimated therefore that everything sort of began in 4000 BC at 6000 years old the problem with that is the genealogies are not necessarily comprehensive genealogies in other words it may say so-and-so was the son of so-and-so and skip three generations in other words he is a son he's really a great-grandson so we can't we can't isolate the chronological history of the world down to the specifics of the genealogies because there are definitely points at which the genealogy skip but even with genealogical consideration we wouldn't be anywhere near beyond ten thousand years because as I say Usher's date came down to four thousand just using the genealogies and if you expand them a little bit isn't gonna be much beyond that okay thanks a lot John can I give you a real ask you a real quickie okay nobody's got a real quickie than an expert I'm confused about something a lot of a Jewish apologists object to the fact that I say a53 in verse 9 says that the suffering servant has done no violence ok and Siegel in his book brings this out he says how can Jesus Christ be the Messiah because verse 9 specifically says he'd done no violence yet he went into the temple and scourged the moneychangers or drove them out you know obviously there was violence how do we answer that well he did no violence in the sense that he committed no crime worthy of death the only thing he did in the temple was what should have been done that's not violence God does no violence either violence indicates an unjust havoc an unrighteous act of aggression or evil what was done by the Lord in the temple was what should have been done that was not violence what going on in there was violence he put the violence out and brought it back to a place of Prayer he it was unviolated I think what the Prophet is saying is that there was nothing that he had done that would make him in any sense worthy of any execution we find that don't we I don't know if you've been with us on Sunday morning but we're going through the trial of Christ there's absolutely nothing they can't come up with anything they didn't even and I I didn't point this out Sunday but I should have they didn't even bring up that argument so seagulls one up on the Pharisees they didn't even bring that up they didn't even make a case out of the fact that he did that in the temple as an act of violence because they knew that if they started talking about that they were going to get it because they everyone knew that it was just flat robbery that the violence was their violence and Jesus brought it back to where it ought to be so they didn't even bring that up which they would have done if they thought there was a case there okay yes sir she do thank you I have a young daughter who came home the other evening you know we sent her Decatur were Jewish and a synagogue and I guess they taught her a little bitter enough anyway we were eating our evening meal and she said to me she said daddy why do we eat the animals so I give her the best answer I could I said ask your mother right we went on to tell her well we don't kill the animals but then she said well if I give you $5,000 to kill somebody and you do it we both get caught I can't tell the judge I didn't do it because we both get the electric chair so I didn't know what to answer her so I went out to the different churches now I see 3,000 people three times a day leaving this church on Sunday so I figure since I gone to the Catholic Church and they told me well the reason that we eat the animals is because they don't have a soul no I'm sorry that wasn't the Catholic Church they're the Catholic Church said the reason we the animals is because we're smarter than they are they don't have the sense to run away well I said well we're smarter than mental retards but I never heard of sweet-and-sour idiot or broiled or fried imbecile we don't need our mental retards so that couldn't be the answer so that I went to the Christian churches the different ones Episcopalian is because I have to answer my daughter she asked me a question and the Christian Church said well the animals don't have a soul and we do well I know now in my own mind that anything that feels pain or craves affection as a soul because it's the soul that does the craving or the feeling of the pain you step on a dog's foot and Yelp it feels pain what feels the pain is the soul okay then the juice are going to tell you that it's okay but because it's kosher what makes it kosher because they say a prayer over it what's the prayer God forgive me for killing this poor animal you know I don't know what so I figure well I'm a computer analyst so I put this in the computer right you put certain data it's going to give you an answer well I put in dude thou shalt not kill not animals or human beings that's not like murder actually from the translation from I understand from Hebrew or Greek to you know the the the translation was different from murder to kill so it was not not murder right that's right okay so it didn't go on to say thou shalt not murder human beings is that that's aa murder period so when you put in vows shall not murder on one hand and on the other hand eat a cheeseburger that comes up error message sure here so it doesn't make any sense there so I can't tell this to my daughter so I really didn't know what to tell her other than it's not because the animals don't have a soul because they do and it's not because they don't have a spirit we've got a dog at home that has a lot of spirit jumps over a fence like you wouldn't believe so since they have souls and spirits and it's not okay to eat them if you're the one that doesn't kill them because he was guilty is the pure butcher that does then my god I don't know just so I went to the I fear I'll go to the Indian school right now they have a saying over there it says if it'll run away swim away or fly away from you need it because if you do you have to deal with the sold dollar what they call and I don't know I am what's the sold dollar he said they said that's who doles the souls to the foals and the moles that hide in the holes right and so I said well geez you mean everything has a soul they said well behind every pair of eyes there's someone looking through them that's what eyes are for looking through and I couldn't disagree with that I guess everything it has a pair of eyes is someone looking for the daughter how old your daughter are four four very brilliant young lady you know I hate to hear the question she's gonna start asking me at eight I was going to say when she's eight you better do I'm gonna leave the house yeah if my four-year-old daughter said to me why do we eat the animals I probably would have said because it tastes good that's a good answer and leave it at that you know I probably somebody said if your daughter asks you you know what time it is don't take your watch apart yeah like I understood that my daughter wasn't really asking why do we do animals but she was really asking behind it and then I just said that she would have asked me the next question because she is a pretty little girl she was said I think it's the life of a human being more important than that of an ammeter let me give you let me give you an answer first of all you can't trust your computer the other day I read about a guy who is trying to translate the Bible from English into Russian using a computer he put a Russian dictionary in and then he put the English Bible in and he figured the computer would select the right Russian word and he took the verse the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak and it came out the vodka is good but the meat is rotten so you really cannot trust a computer to interpret Scripture now not the family let me let me give you an answer from the scripture okay and the answer is a very simple one I believe I believe that God and this is indicated to us both in the Old Testament in the New Testament created the animals for the purpose of food in other words that is there created intent in the Old Testament God outlined very clearly and again you're back to the authority of Scripture and I appreciate you coming to ask the question I really do but we believe that you've got to have a standard in other words if all you do is try to dream up logical opinion about things you're gonna you're going to have people who differ and you're not going to know where the right answers are so you accept a standard and to us the standard is the Word of God we didn't invent it we have had it passed down to us and when the Word of God says something we believe it's true and the scripture says for example in first Timothy all things are to be received with Thanksgiving it says that some will come along and say don't eat this and don't eat that but scripture says all things are to be received with Thanksgiving now in Acts chapter 10 there was a group of Jewish people who came to a Gentile and Peter was in that group he'd been raised kosher he'd never eaten anything that wasn't kosher he was threatened by the thought of eating something that wasn't kosher and the Lord was making a transition and so the Lord gave him a vision of a sheet coming down and every kind of animal was in that sheet and Peter said in his vision I can't eat those things I've never eaten anything unclean and the Lord said to him what I have called clean don't you call unclean in other words the Lord said it's all now to be eaten and received with Thanksgiving so the best answer to the question is that scripture says that God has given us those things for food to be enjoyed from him now as far as an animal having a soul or a spirit in a sense as you use the terms an animal has a soul if by soul you mean an internal sort of consciousness not a self-consciousness in other words an animal doesn't know that it's an animal it doesn't know that it's a dog it doesn't know its name it has conditioned reflex it is an outer and an inner creature in other words there's a physical part and there's an immaterial response part within an animal you could call it one covered nerve is that what you're saying no it's more than an herb it's not just a nerve it is let's put it this way an animal is neither self-conscious that is an animal doesn't know it's an animal or know its name or understand itself and neither is it God conscious it cannot know God I have a dog at home that doesn't know it's unconscious I mean it's right not just it knows that it survive it knows it doesn't know it's alive it just is alive yeah and it it has it has the ability to be trained for certain impulses like Pavlov proved but an animal has no has no God consciousness an animal has no self consciousness and this high sense you mean is that what I'm charged it doesn't have a conscience right doesn't have a game has no sense of morality no shade right but when it gets hit by a car it knows it's alive I don't know that I don't know that it knows it's alive but it feels the pain runs away from the car you're the one who gets or must know that that's a reflex you know reflex so but scripture indicates to us that the bottom line is I mean if you if you just look at the scripture that that an animal is made by God animals were created by God for purpose and one of the purposes was food now further animals were not only created for food for people but frankly animals were created for food for animals the whole system of the animal kingdom is a self consuming system this everybody has a predator everybody has an enemy in that system isn't it interesting though that carnivorous animals don't eat other carnivorous animals you never see a lion eating another carnivorous animal it's always our bitterest animals that are being eaten by the carnivorous ones yeah lions eat sheep you never see a sheep eating any type of card and what you're saying sure is the Cardinal I don't know that there might not be some exceptions to that but as a general rule that's true but anyway the system is such that man is made in the image of God and that means man is self-conscious man is God conscious and that is beyond any animal it's very distinctly in the creative pattern God created everything that he created then he created man in his own image with conscience with a sense of right and wrong with morality with self-consciousness God consciousness the ability to build relationships a sense of shame to the data and that's why man is a sacred being whereas an animal is a part of the whole system of the world which depends for survival upon the consumption of that system now if I go home and I say this to my daughter and she says to me well daddy if we're supposed to be so conscious and so we're of our conscience our morality of shame and guilt and so on then why even though it's allowed to eat if God said here's a cow you can't eat it right why even though we know we can would we go ahead and kill a poor innocent animal who's done nothing wrong when there plenty of bananas fruits whatever vegetables and so on and so forth yeah available tea why would we just go ahead and be the murderer actually yeah well you're not that's not what the intention of murdering has to do with people nothing to do with animals in the first place what you have to realize that in all the animal is going to die anyway sorry Yuma being so right but we don't need your bet but a human being is protected by the laws of God an animal is made for food that's what the question my daughter wants to know the answer to the answer the answer I'm trying to give you is that the Bible says that all those things are to be received with Thanksgiving the only answer you need to give your daughter is that's the way God designed the world to work that's all I have to say if she's gonna say okay good okay thank you good yeah and that is the ultimate answer I mean that's the way God said that to my kids a thousand times that's don't I don't I don't know anything more than to say that's the way God designed it to be so enjoy your Big Mac don't worry about it okay thank you come back by the way we'd like to have you back I think he was ahem oh okay thanks John I go to LA Goss and we were discussing second Thessalonians and we got into chapter 2 and discussing the rapture concerning the rapture right and I've always been along the lines of a pre-trib rapture and I got into chapter 2 there and it some things seem to contradict themselves if you could just comment on what the apostasy is and what the day of the Lord is concerning in the in chapter 2 okay chapter 2 verse 1 of second Thessalonians now we beseech you brethren by the coming of our Lord Jesus and by our gathering together unto Him that you be not shaken in mind or troubled neither by spirit word letter so forth and so on what was happening in the Thessalonians was that some people were fearful that they had missed the rapture they were they were afraid that they had already missed it and so Paul is writing to to inform them that that's not happened so verse 3 says don't anybody deceive you don't anybody tell you've missed the rapture you haven't missed not only that but the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ the whole idea of that phrase in verse 1 the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to him may be a more comprehensive statement but it certainly would include I think the rapture but the whole idea they was they were being told that everything was happened had happened and they had been left out so don't anybody deceive you that's not going to happen until first of all there's an apostasy and the man of sin is revealed the son of perdition who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God and so on and so forth so well so I just think what he's saying there is the whole idea of the coming of Christ cannot come to fullness and fruition until these things take place and they have not taken place okay what do you consider the apostasy is that a special event or is that just a progressive to falling yet I think it's a progressive falling away from the truth it could be you know I I'm not sure that I'm at this particular point really in the first place I don't think it's the rapture some people believe it's the snatching away they make it the rapture I think it's an apostatize aquestion is is it an apostasy in the tribulation after the rapture or is it an apostasy that begins before the tribulation you know and then well we have to be after the rapture though or before before the rapture well yeah and I think the answer to that is it is before because it says in verse 7 the mystery of iniquity is already at work so the mystery of iniquity is already at work the apostasy in a sense is already at work the culmination of all of this is the coming of the Lord don't think that's happened because the rest of the stuff hasn't even unfolded fully yet the man of sin hasn't been revealed and so forth so then we're going to see who the man of sin is not necessarily he's not saying you'll see it he's just saying it hasn't happened well will he be revealed to the world then sure but not necess why not to us because we won't be here what says that the man of lawlessness has to be revealed before it shall come in verse 3 it that is the day of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and then the day of the Lord the day of the Lord is always associated with judgment okay it is always associated with judgment and what he is saying is that the judgment has not happened because this hasn't happened I'm just saying that it's not a question that sorts out the rapture here I don't see that you can sort that out he's just saying somebody may be telling you you've missed it all whatever part of it I'm telling you that the the final end hasn't come the day of the Lord the time of judgment he focuses on hasn't come because a man of sin isn't revealed and so forth and so and so on he's not necessarily saying that you are going to see that he's just saying it can't have happened because this event has not taken place okay okay good thanks and I let me just say this this question comes up a lot second Thessalonians is basically a book that needs great intense study it's got some very unique features in trying to sort out all these factors but in general I believe that the pre-tribulation rapture is the only is the only doctrine that makes any sense in Scripture you can come to Scripture and you can shoot it down I mean you can follow some of the the people who have wanted to put a postulated post-trib rapture a mid-trib rapture or whatever that means that we're going to be raptured at the end of the tribulation or in the middle rather than before but the problem is you can knock down the pre-trib theory by reinterpreting words and reinterpreting verses but you you find it I do anyway almost impossible to build up a post-trib theory it does it just doesn't survive scrutiny so I really believe the church will be raptured first then the tribulation and then comes the Lord in judgment and I think that's all the writer here is saying is that you didn't miss that because before that happens there has to be the falling away and some people say that's the rapture the catching away and they say apostasia means rapture I don't feel that way I think it's apostasy and then the man of sin who opposes and exalts himself and so forth and it's already working that way verse seven says but then that wicked one will be revealed and lying wonders and dadadada and finally after that is going to come the day of the Lord so I don't think the rapture is even in the discussion really I think he's just talking about the day of the Lord of course before that will be the rapture okay good over over here on acts 16:31 okay I have many friends of mine I come from the Pentecostal background huh-huh and they use the scripture to claim their family salvation and I've read the scriptures myself and I don't believe that I believe that a man has to give an account to God for his own salvation and it says here and they said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and I think people should deal with this with other Christians and let them know that that's not so in the process the verse of course it's the Apostle Paul and he was in jail right and the earthquake came and the jail doors were thrown open and all the stocks and chains were broken and everybody started to leaving the jail or nud lose his life and all this and and you know he was going to kill himself and paul stops him and says don't harm yourself and the guy must have known that paul was an evangelist he must have known the message he preached because he comes in he says sir what must I do to be saved what must I do to be saved and what is his answer believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and thy house and what these people are saying is that if you believe that means salvation for your whole house there's several problems with that the man says what must I do to be saved and he said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and then he says and thy house the same in other words what does everybody in his house have to do believe on the Lord Jesus Christ the construction there forbids that that it mean anything else he doesn't say believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou and thy house shall be saved thou shalt be saved and the offers extended to thy house and by the way that thing doesn't hold water anyway because the term here for house involved everything that was in his house family members servants and everything and the people who advocate family salvation out of that verse don't necessarily want to extend it to the mailman the gardener or anybody else who works for him so no obviously even back in the Old Testament very clearly God identifies individual salvation and the same thing is all the way through the New Testament and when people will take one little verse like this and build a doctrine a family salvation on it you know it's it's it's completely imposed on the text rather than in the text and I'm glad you pointed that out because a lot of people are claiming that and that's you can't claim that your house can be saved the same way you can what he's saying to the jailer is I'm telling you you must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you'll be saved and it's the same for anybody else in other words this isn't something special just for you this is available for anybody in your house thank you Jim and it says they spoke the word of the Lord hears the keep through I didn't finish it so listen verse 32 and they spoke unto him the word of the Lord they didn't just speak to him but it says and they spoke to him the word of the Lord and to all that were in his house why because everybody else if they were going to be saved had to hear the same message and believe the same message otherwise they could have just spoken it to him and let it go if everybody was saved on his salvation and he took them the same hour of night then I didn't wash their stripes and was baptized he and all his and when he had brought them into his house he set food before them listen to this and rejoiced believing in God with all his house you get that what does that mean that everybody in the house what believed yeah it's very clear I mean I'll tell you it just boils my blood when people take verses out of the middle of nowhere I just I build the theology around them when all you have to do is keep reading you know something I don't know what it is in the human mind that makes people want to come up with their own little doctrines I can't imagine anything worse than misinterpreting the scripture I've inside of myself I would rather die than do that I just wouldn't want to do that truth is it truth is the most sacred thing we possess isn't it and I just boy that's why I'm a believer in good training so that you can handle the Scriptures accurately I mean this is not this is not some somebody's ideas you're throwing around this is the Word of the Living God I mean you better get it right John I want to thank you for the things that we've all been learning about our response to the government and my question yeah I understand what you're saying how we need to back our government even though it's not the best government even though it's not a Christian government there is no Christian government only Christian people and I also understand when you say that we shouldn't be into full-time political even Christian political activism even though there are some people who are employed Christians employed full-time in politics but now my question is what about people who are interested in some of the political things that are happening say the gay rights bill or right now that there's a bill open for public comment on rights for newborn children who have some physical deformity and they're allowing them to die and it's and so that's open for public comment and I'm wondering what is our responsibility to the government to let our legislatures legislators know how we feel I think and I think I may have said this maybe not clearly enough but it's the I believe we need to take every means available to us as citizens to affect change in our country legally and every time you have an opportunity to do that you need to do that as a conscientious Christian if there's any way that you can legally protest against abortion Lee I saw in the Daily News today that Tom Bradley says now he's going to appoint more gays he's going to be giving more gay appointments he's sorry that he's overlooked the homosexuals well I mean that's sickening to me you know and I'm sure it is to all Christian people but I don't what I'm not going I'm not going to go down and shoot Tom Bradley but if I am if there's a forum where I can say what needs to be said and then I want to say that if there's a if there's a letter that I can write then I need to write that letter if there's a if there's a vote that I can make then I need to make that vote so and if the Lord called me to be involved in government or in civil service as a policeman or as a as a county prosecutor or a district attorney or I don't know what you know working even as a legislator or something I don't see anything wrong with that the thing that concerns me is the illusion that Christians banding together using political means can bring the Kingdom or expedite the kingdom I think what we have to do and what happens is when Christians they start out with good intentions to be involved in moral issues and I'm not against that I think Christians ought to stand up against abortion and gay rights and the ER a and and a lot of other things I really believe that we ought to take our stand on those issues but somehow what happens is in the midst of wanting to take the right and legal means to take up stand and preach and proclaim against sin we get diverted into the illusion that we can change our country by effecting changes in the political system and I think that the I mean we want to vote we want to vote together on some things we got to know for example who are the legislators in the state of California who are pro-abortion and we ought to let them know where we stand it's a fine line and I know in my own case if I feel like I need to write a letter to a senator I write a letter if I feel like I don't care to do that I don't do that but I want to use every legal means every means within my power I want to teach and preach here so that it's very clear what we believe and we make a statement and we teach our people what they're going to what their stands should be in the world but what bothers me is is when I know many pastors who have literally abandoned the church and abandoned the pulpit and abandoned studying the scripture abandoned teaching the Bible to run around and get themselves associated with the Mormons and the Moonies and all these co belligerents to gain certain religious freedom you know to me it's what to paraphrase like Sam Erickson does we'll what shall it profit the church if we gain our freedom and lose our message I mean what's the point so we just have to be sure we're clear on what our message is and it what I'm saying - is it because my government isn't all it ought to be doesn't mean that I can shoot people in my government or that I can be an unruly citizen disobey the law not paying my taxes over and so on I take all the legal musette help that does okay thanks okay good I too appreciate last Sunday night's message and Christians relationship to government John and my question is directly related to that how do you feel about a March Christians are marching I saw Frankie Schaefer leading I believe an anti-abortion March and let's just say that it was done legally it was done people conducted themselves the way they should and it was not done under the auspices of a local church name was concerned citizens I like your thoughts yeah I don't have a problem with that if it's done right and it's done in a proper way and it's not a rabble you know people do it for one reason they do it to get on television that's basically it are to get the people in Capitol Hill to see them doing it so that they know there's a large constituency there I think if it's done properly and done respectfully and shows due respect to the people involved that I don't have a problem with that but when the crowd is stirred up you know to think evil against the legislators or when it becomes a rebellious thing and it's fomenting and they're saying ugly things about our nation or about people in positions of leadership then I have a problem with that but I think if it's if it's done right as a citizen if you have if you want to express yourself that way that's great the thing that concerns me is when I see men of God who have been called to the teaching of the word and the preaching of the word abandoning themselves to all these kinds of things I would be very candid with you I really feel that in though this is a personal feeling in the last few years of Francis Schaeffer's life the tremendous capability that he had demonstrated to help the church get on track apologetically got totally lost and he was so busy marching here and marching they're all over the place that those last years before he went to heaven were not as productive in my mind in terms of theology and apologetics as the prior years had been and that's only a value judgment on my part I I'm not you know I'm not certainly second-guessing what he did in his life but as I look at his life and and realized that it seemed in those last years that he was so concerned about marching and protesting and doing this and doing that that that it diverted those energies away from the word and away from that great contribution that at least that I felt he made in the earlier years so it's a question of priority I think it's fine to have a part in that I certainly if there was an anti-abortion protest in the state and everybody wrote letters and so forth and so on I mean I would want to be a part of that I mean I wouldn't even resist you know marching and showing where I stood on that if it was done right but I would not divert the energies and the time and the calling of God in my life to do that because I feel this Inc is in you know carrying out the Ministry of the word thanks hmm yes John my question regarded how we as Christians are to view the new wave of science creating life as they want to call it in the laboratory the test-tube babies the sperm banks we had also seen a documentary on channel 28 regarding actually creating a womb like environment in a laboratory so that they could actually watch the development and it we just had our second gift from the Lord two weeks ago and we had it by the means that God provided and he does say in Psalm 139 now just weave me in my mother's womb and how do we associate that with our well I suppose everybody gotta draw the line somewhere I don't know how to answer the question it's such a broad question except to say anytime you do anything other than the normal God intended means I get nervous okay there are some things that seem to me to be just really beyond acceptance like taking a conceived embryo and planting it in another person I mean I know they're involved in doing some of that kind of stuff you know you can go back to the bottom-line thing and said if the Lord meant you to have a baby you'll have a baby you don't need to go through all of that on the other hand if you can't have a baby you can certainly adopt a baby that's the pretty much traditional view that's very comfortable with that view at the same time I know there are couples that go see infertility specialists in fact we have medical doctors in our church who are OBGYN and the infertility specialists and they do provide some kind of service to folks to let them know what their alternatives are I don't think it's that they're advocating any of this stuff but there are ways that you can assist a couple and somebody can say well if God wanted you to have a baby you'd have a baby so don't go to the doc but if you push that too far you know you're going to be holding on to a tree in the backyard with a leaf you know dropping your baby on it I mean that's a jungle approach you know we do want some help and so we go to a hospital and if we can't have a baby normally we don't say well I've gotten one we have the baby leave it alone we say no I'll take it cesarean I mean just get the baby so we're grateful for medical advances it becomes a very difficult thing then to know exactly where you draw the line but I think as long I think when you get outside the couple itself that's that's where I have a problem either physically outside of them or relationally in other words where you impregnate a woman with somebody else's sperm other than her husband or where you you have some kind of a surrogate mother situation which is done all the time of course in breeding horses and things like that anytime you get outside of working with those two people that God brought together for the production of that child I think you've got a you got a real ethical problem and it's going to get it's going to get you know more bizarre all the time as you see what in Crick and those guys you sort of set the stage for this but what they're after is genetic engineering and we're already a long way down the line abortion is one step towards genetic engineering abortion basically says we now have developed the right to murder anybody we don't want to be born okay the more sophisticated our prenatal technology becomes the more able we are to determine the character and quality of the infant that's there or if they can if they can grow a baby in an artificial womb and chart the course of that baby and monitor that thing they'll develop the technique to determine it's physical skills it's mental skills or whatever they'll figure out ways to do that and then pretty soon it'll be a question of who gets to live and who doesn't get to live and then comes breeding and so forth and so on I really believe with all my heart and I some of these things that I say might sound frightening and I think they are I really believe that there are people who want to engineer the human race the humanists you see they want to eliminate crime and they want to eliminate all the problems in society they want to eliminate the drones on society the welfare cases the people who just eat up the resources of society and our problems over land so the way to do that is to control birth first of all so first what did we we had a big wave of birth control birth control all the scare tactics in the world right we have too many people too many people I don't know if you know this the entire population of the world fit into the state of Rhode Island the whole world okay but anyway we've all been scared out of our wits about having too many babies okay they did that for a long time the next step was we'll start to kill the babies and we'll do it under the the guise of a woman has a right to her own body which isn't the case at all it's just murder plain and simple and of course it was basically generated by some Jewish lesbian women the whole thing and it's all part of a much bigger conspiracy than we understand and I think it you look behind the scenes and you will find that there are many people who are antagonistic to Christ behind the scenes and it's it's really something I could talk about that some time but anyway so the step by step by step then you come to the abortion thing and and pretty soon there's a tolerance for some abortions and now it's just anybody any place any time can get an abortion and it's become a method of birth control and so the next thing in the engineering process will be to determine how the fetus develops and then we'll find out what fetus is we want what ones we don't want and then as if we can plant a sperm in anybody we want then we'll start to do that and it's all part of ultimately taking us to the point of engineering all this stuff it's really frightening that's an attack on God and the sovereignty and so forth and so I think anytime you go beyond the couple that God brought together and try to create a life you really got yourself into a serious biblical and ethical problem thank you mm-hmm hi John my question is in first Corinthians when they talk about women are supposed to have something on their head when they're praying or whatever why doesn't that pertain to the day and also people are always asking me why are some of us blessed and there's little children dying in Africa and starving to death and mm-hmm you've heard the question before yeah well those are good questions so let me take the second one first God is sovereign I've always felt that more the more non-christian the nation is the higher the mortality rate will be because Christians have the highest respect for life there is look at our nation whereas the more we become non-christian the more we become humanistic the easier it is for us to Massacre in infants by the millions and you take a pagan country or Africa whatever India you'll find in those countries there's a low regard for life a very low regard for life it isn't just as simple always as famine and so forth it has to do with the whole regard for life unless you understand that people are created in the image of God they're nothing more than what this man was asking earlier the it's animal life so I think that that happens because there's a low regard of life the flipside of that is that I believe God in His mercy and grace sees the reality of redemption in that for a people who in many cases would never otherwise be redeemed if those those nations that are the most unchristian have the most have the highest mortality rate which is to say that those little ones are taken safely into the arms of God before they can come to the point in their own nation where they will be unbelievers so I think that's part of the answer the ultimate answer is God has got and God has designed the world the way he's designed it sin is running its course God has offered redemption to all men but but evil has a place and God for the sake of his own glory and the sake of his own revelation of judgment and wrath against sin permit sin and its consequences and so it's a sovereign issue aren't we also also responsible for helping to feed these oh there's no question the scripture makes it very plain that we are to share what we have to reach out to the poor and the hungry I mean you read the Old Testament that's just over and over and over and over again repeated as well as in the new in some places too regard to first Corinthians chapter 11 about a woman having her hair or head covered what Paul is referring to there was in the Corinthian time there were distinctive ways in which a woman demonstrated her submissiveness and a woman demonstrated her submissiveness with her hair the covering of her hair and women had long hair he says that the nature even tell you itself that if a woman have long hair it's a glory unto her but in those days the women wore a covering and the covering was the symbol of their submissiveness and the women of course in the Corinthian thing were going through a sort of an ER a equal rights movement and they were throwing off their covering and cut share a shearing off their head and Paul Carr kopi know in his book on daily life in ancient Rome says they were running around bare breasted with Spears sticking pigs and climbing poles and I mean women's live isn't anything new they were doing at them - trying to be macho wanted to get equality with men so Paul is saying to them look you want to be sure that in your society if a covering if a covering is a symbol of submissiveness you keep your covering on because you want to demonstrate your womanliness and your submissiveness by God's design and then he just supports that by saying can't you see that God's designed a woman's hair to be unique to a woman and of course the argument scientifically is that a woman's hair grows faster then a man's hair does demonstrating that God's intention for a woman is uniquely her hair I think that says to us today that a woman should do how I'm not saying some of you are going oh boy I hope my hair is long enough I'm not I'm not saying that off what I am saying is that a woman's hair should be distinctly feminine and a woman's demeanor distinctly feminine and whatever it is in our culture that demonstrates femininity and a woman's unique God intended role is how a woman ought to look thank you good evening John I've been studying John chapter 17 and I was listening to your tapes this week one thing that you know I praise God that I'm saved and that I know Christ and one thing that came out in the tapes was the fact that our names are already written in the book of life and I guess my question is is that like predestination and I'm sure you've answered this question before and it's probably on the tape and I just haven't found the tape yet yeah sure that's exactly like predestination and I have answered this question before and I don't hesitate to answer it again because I think there's an answer that will help you so by everybody who believes the Bible believes in predestination if you don't know how to tear out some verses we were chosen in him before the foundation of the world that's as clear as it can be our names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life from before the foundation of the world says that a couple of times the book of Revelation predestinated chosen preordained all that is there in other words every person who ever comes to Christ in the history of the world comes to Christ because before the world began God chose them for redemption that's clear in Scripture okay so we believe that the problem doesn't come in believing that the problem comes in harmonizing that with the call to respond to Christ and human responsibility in other words if we say oh well since God does it all I'm gonna worry about it if he wants to save me let me save me I'm surely not going to get uptight we don't need to preach the gospel we don't need to tell anything to anybody it's all done it's if your name's air you're in if it's not so what what's the point why should I evangelize the people whose names are they're going to come people who aren't aren't so I'm not going to worry about it the problem with that is the Bible also teaches that whoever comes to Christ he will receive and jesus said you will not come to me that you might have lie but if you come to me I'll give you life and when they didn't come you said it was their fault so the problem is I believe the Bible teaches predestination everybody who's saved to save because they were written down before the world began I also believe that teaches you have to come to Christ and if you don't it's your fault and you're responsible and you'll go to hell because you have chosen against Christ now how do you harmonize that that's impossible that's the problem so you don't you just believe both of them you say but how can you believe two things that are mutually contradictory easy there are a lot of things in the Bible that are mutually contradictory or that are absolutely paradoxical on our level and and to illustrate it to you very simple who wrote Matthew that's not a hard question is it Matthew who wrote Matthew Matthew Matthew ball by himself sat down and wrote Matthew and the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit they alternated verses you write one alright one you write one alright is every word in Matthew out of the mind of the Spirit of God is every word in Matthew also out of the heart of Matthew how can it be all Matthew and all the Holy Spirit that's two hundred percent that's impossible but that's exactly what it is ask yourself this question was Jesus God or man the answer is yes 100% God hundred percent man or half God half man half a man is nobody and half God is nobody he was all God all man that's impossible - that's an irresolvable apparent paradox ask you this question who lives your Christian life you say I am crucified with Christ nevertheless I live yet not on I Christ lives in same thing see anytime you bring the supernatural level down to this you're going to get a little bit of paradox left and and the wonderful thing about it is it's one of the greatest proofs that this is written by God because if it was written by men they'd resolve those paradoxes because men don't like them right and so the fact that you have those kinds of things tell us that God's mind is greater than ours and that's kind of God I want I don't want to god things like I do or we're in trouble so when it comes to predestination in man's volition when it comes to God's sovereignty and man's responsibility we say the Bible teaches both of them God's the only one who can understand how they come together that's his problem not ours all I know is that I'm saved and I give him the praise but when people aren't saved I lay the responsibility at their feet to come to Christ and I cannot say well I don't need to do anything because the Bible commands me to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature okay thanks alright let's see we'll go over here yeah we better not take any more folks we'll just finish with these and then we'll be done good evening John Sunday night on the Christians responsibility to government use the example of the early church as a standard for the Christian community these days well about the tenth observation made by historians in that day was that the early church was indifferent to the world's temporal materialism and political systems now my question is how does the salt shaker stand in relation to the example set by the early church which was basically they segregated themselves right government that's good question we have a little salt shaker that comes out even each month and we're back to this same idea the only thing you'll find in a salt shaker are issues related to biblical truth and morality in other words sin as over against righteousness we're not going to we're not going to put in there issues about whether they ought to pave Roscoe Boulevard write your Congressman or whether they ought to allow certain laws to pass related to schools or education or budget or zoning in other words what we're dealing with is moral issues when we feel there is due process by which we can articulate the Christian perspective now in the last couple days Sam Erickson has been here I was talking to Sam about how he fits because see he's a head of the Christian Legal Society which basically is a group that functions in Washington a group of Christian lawyers who go into the courts and lobby for the Christian viewpoint and again what they're doing is taking due process of law in an honorable and reasonable way demonstrating Christian character and Christian testimony and articulating a Christian viewpoint on these issues now that's very vital and that's what we're asking people to do in the saltshaker that's not political that's that's taking a voice in moral issues that face our nation and giving the Christian perspective the editor of the LA Times one time said to me with is coming here and he said that you the owner he said you why don't you ever use the platform there to get on the bandwagon for some of these really important political issues and I said because they own thing I want to talk about is what God talks about everybody's got their opinion I think God has a right to be heard in the midst of all of this and all we want to do is articulate the biblical view and it's key for us to have Christian lawyers who will go into a courtroom for example when a debate is going on and give a biblical viewpoint to an issue that is confronting the nation right now the Christian Legal Society has three cases before the Supreme Court of the United States in which they articulate the biblical view but they do so with a great sense of graciousness we give you an illustration they put out a magazine Christian Legal Society and then it was an ad for attorney wanted by some law firm it said a Christian attorney Christian legal firm would like to hire Christian attorney that it did it did it did it and the Jewish one of the Jewish groups which by the way are behind a whole lot of this stuff because there is that ancient antagonism to Christianity and we understand that we love them anyway but we understand there's an antagonism there but so this group called up the Christian Legal Society and said how dare you it's unethical for you to put a Christian lawyer in there that's discrimination that so forth so voiceover so the Christian Legal Society called them back in the next day or so and Sam said and he said I just want you to know that we want to be sensitive to you we don't want to be a discredit to the legal profession and if that is an offense to you in our magazine we won't put that there anymore and he said the girl was an attorney who listened to him in the Washington office broke into tears that anyone would be that conscientious it doesn't matter to them because their magazine only goes to Christian attorneys so they know what they're saying but rather than make war they would seek to make peace and express themselves in a gentle way but when it comes to standing for truth they need to be there to speak and so what happens is they treat those people with kindness on that level but when they get into the courtroom and those people are crying for the humanist viewpoint they say this is what we believe is right based on the scripture and the tradition that's been established by Christianity and so forth so it's a question of morality as over against just partisan politics and views on things that aren't moral issues okay that's a long answer to a short question will hurry real fast we have about five or six minutes so please try to make this fast I'm looking for your interpretation of Hebrews 10:26 in context with the passage says that for if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins in desiring to use the word of the Lord accurately I've often used this passage and sharing with people who would consider themselves Christians and desire to continue live with their girlfriends or Christians and justify getting divorces yeah I think it's a non-christian is talking about I think it's talking about a person intellectually convinced of the gospel who knows it but goes on living in sin willfully already knowing the truth and if you reject the sacrifice of Christ there's no hope I think it's basically another one of the warning passages that are all through the Epistle of the Hebrews those warning passages are directed at people who are intellectually convinced to the truth of the gospel but will not separate themselves from sin and come to Christ and the warning there is if you keep on doing that you're really treading underfoot the blood of the Covenant accounting at an unholy thing in other words you're trampling the blood of Christ you're ignoring that and there is no other sacrifice for sin so I think it's a message to an intellectually convinced unbeliever who won't break with his sin now you may be giving it to the right people they may say they're Christians but if they continue in a protracted state of sinfulness there's a good chance that that might be their case do you know of let's say what could be a better approach to someone who is a Christian at least from God's perspective when someone is continuing to sin because there are really no Romans six Romans six shall we send the grace may abound god forbid if you died with Christ and risen again you better walk in newness of life and mortify the deeds of the flesh so shall you live I got hit Romans 6 and then Romans 7 the cry of Paul wretched man that I am we wants to deliver him see himself delivered from that kind of thing yeah but Romans 6 is there I mean thank he says you were the servants of sin but now you become the servants of righteousness if you're not a servant of righteousness either you're not saved or you're kind of addicting everything your salvation means okay thank you very much I have a family member that a couple years ago was taken in by the Mormons she had a very bad experience in her life and she my grandmother recently who lived at there died and they had converted her she was very senile so I know I have no doubt in my mind where she went she didn't know what she was doing but I know that they probably went through the baptism of the Dead now she quoted to me some time back first Corinthians 15:29 mmm-hmm and I've looked at that and tried to study it and figure out what are they saying because she said it says right in the Bible that you baptized for the dead yet Scofield says down below in the footnote that they're not talking about that but I have chosen well that verse just says Paul is saying why are people baptizing for the dead if there's no resurrection sunday we're saying what in the world is you mean by that right what is the baptism for the dead it isn't even important what he means to us people then knew what he meant there was some pagan cult at that time that was doing baptisms for the dead today it would be the Mormons but all Paul's trying to say is he's trying to prove the validity of Resurrection in general in other words the whole chapter is to prove there's a resurrection and all he's saying is even the pagans understand that there's a resurrection else why would they be baptizing for the dead do you understand yes in other words he's only using what we would call a natural argument rather than a supernatural one like we say for example I like that the old story of immortality that's told about the little blind boy that was sitting on the top of the hill and he had a kite and the kite was pulling against the wind and somebody said to him can you see the kite me said oh no sir and he said well how do you know it's in the area so I feel the tug of the string and I hold in my hand and the old adage was and that's the way it is with immortality even pagan people feel the tug of immortality but there's life after death that's why Indians buried ponies with the Dead Braves that's why people in Greece put a coin in the mouth of a dead so that he could pay his fare across the mystic river of death that's why they put a canoe in a in a Pharaoh's pyramid so that he could go down the river of life in his canoe in other words there's something in the human heart that longs for immortality and Paul is saying in first Corinthians 15 if there's no resurrection then why are these people baptizing for the dead even the pagans feel the pull of immortality thank you it and of course it was an error and it still is with with the Mormons to do it and John all of us are started with Adam and we're all descendants of Adam and yet there are many different races around the world and my question has to do with the origin of different races and also language I think language was at the Tower of Babel right that God dispersed in different languages did everybody speak the same language up to that time and whole earth was one language it says in Genesis 11 and and is that true with races also yeah I think basically once they were scattered and scattered all over the earth and of course various ethnic groups began to develop but you have to believe him back before that in Genesis chapter 9 where the Lord took three sons of Shem of Noah Shem ham Japheth and I can just quickly refresh your thinking on that I think Genesis just a brief answer 9 24 9 25 and he said cursed be Canaan a servant of servants shall he be to his brethren blessed be the Lord God of Shem Canaan shall be a servant gottle enlarge Japheth he will dwell in the tents of Shem took the three sons Canaan would be a servile people Shem would be the blessed people the Semitic people out of which comes the Arabs and the Jews and so forth and Japheth would be the colonizing people who would enlarge mostly going into Europe and so here even from the sons of Noah God begins to separate out the races now as to how it is that they took on physically distinct characteristics that was because that's the way the Lord began to to create them and the tower of Babylon contributed to that as they were scattered in different places there's a certain amount of adaptability black people are black because they came from a place where they needed that as opposed to Scandinavian people very very white you know and so forth so the Lord in the process of the development of the races you know allowed them to adjust and adapt to that particular thing frankly it some of it there are no answers to accept that God and His sovereignty designed it that way but you go back to Genesis 9 with God sorting out the three sons and separating them apart and then Genesis 11 where he scatters them all over the world and they begin to identify themselves as unique ethnic groups with their own language and develop their own characteristics okay good evening John first of all I have an example that may be a good way to look at pre destiny versus free will and that is that very likely or possibly I shouldn't say even likely that the Lord gave Satan all the pieces to the chess game and in other words every individual eyes were born were born in Satan's camp and that the Lord then said Satan you know look I'm going to show you the names in this book that I have here and these names I'm going to call at a given time and because of the power of my love and only the power of my love when I call their name they will come to me out of their love and there won't be anything you can do to stop them it gives a possible I think that that well I think I understand what you're saying I'm not sure Satan I'm not sure God gives him any information but I understand what you're saying sure sit there we're all they're bound by Satan but when he draws us it is this is what the old theologians called irresistible grace that is when the Lord sets out to save you he will save you yeah yeah just how the power that's right the power of is the power of his drawing sovereign love that's right good I got two questions two of them that have been with me for quite a while first of all I have a brother-in-law who is involved with the church somewhat on the cultic side I believe he's given me a couple verses that he their group believes that the tribulation occurred in 70 AD and that this generation in Matthew 24 verse 36 ganado as he puts it means this generation and that the word millennium does not necessarily mean a thousand years and well it does as a thousand years but he's missing cheese reinterpreting okay can you give me something to say to him that would turn it back around also I would say real a stickler about the beginning I also think yeah I would say to him expose yourself to some other material you know if you really want to know the truth don't get locked into that situation be willing to study some other sides of that obviously he's in the wrong place and he doesn't have the wherewithal to make the decision himself so he becomes a victim of whoever teaches him but I mean there's nothing you can say about an isolated thing like that you'd have to take the guy back and teach him hermeneutics in other words you got to learn how to interpret the Bible let's go back to where we started tonight if you don't know the principle is to interpret Scripture it's for sure you're going to come up with a wrong answer it's it's for sure it's a guarantee if you don't know what you're doing you know it's amazing you you couldn't fly an airplane without training and you couldn't operate on somebody without training and you couldn't run a computer system without training and you couldn't do a lot of things without training but people think they can pick up the Bible and tell you everything it means off the top of their head and if they've got any personality or any charm or any dynamics they can get a bunch of people to follow him it's the old story in California grow a beard say your Moses about 50 followers in a half an hour and you can build your own Little Kingdom and you can just keep unloading on them and as long as you keep them happy and think they think they're really into the deep stuff you got them but again it's tragic that people don't know how to interpret Scripture and the best thing you can say to someone like that is you need to expose yourself to some alternatives read some things give them some good things to read let them listen to the tapes that we've preached on that or someone else has say if you're really if you really objective and really want to know the truth listen to this find out if he's open if he's not open you're stuck if he is then maybe you can feed him some stuff that'll help him to see you know where's Eric I had asked him why the Dead Sea was still dead but he didn't have an I didn't know that the other question that I had was do you believe that Christ as he exists now is a material being and if so do you believe that before he was incarnate he also existed as a material being yeah the answer to the first question is yes but not a material being as you know it or I know it because there's a body of there's a body of Resurrection first Corinthians 15 again there is a body of resurrection there's one kind of body in another kind of body in another kind of body and I borrowed a body of birds and a body of animals in a body of resurrection and he has a body body that he said I'm not a spirit you see the flesh and bones that I have he went through the wall and yet he was there and they could see him and touch him and feel him and all that so he has a supernatural body which is a visible body I do not believe he possessed that before the Incarnation I think a body thou has prepared me he says in Hebrews a body thou has prepared me so I don't think he entered into that body until his incarnation then fully became the Incarnate Christ now is the glorified Christ son of man son of God in Genesis 18 do you believe that he just well I think not burial God appeared in some some manifest form as to what kind of material form it was I don't know you're talking about Abraham and Sarah right God coming and seeing it I'm just wondering whether you know that a lot of people believe that that was you know Christ yeah I think it was God and I think he appeared in some form let me just get these last two very quickly okay thank you we'll go right here real quick and and I'll go over here is it wrong and how would you tell a fellow Christian that it is to get involved with some of these multi-level marketing things such as Amway where you set your sights on certain material things or or wealth and then come back and say well it's all going to be for the glory of God because when I get all this money I'll help support retired pastors or I'll do this sure we'll do that Here I am but I'm not going to retire no it's all a question of motive nothing you know nothing is wrong with that kind of thing if your motive is right and who can say whether the motive is right the Lord knows that I mean if you're in it to get the biggest car in the biggest house and the biggest ring and the biggest gold watching the fattest diamond bracelet and and parade I mean if you're working at save on sweeping to do that it's wrong or if you're you know underneath a car for that's your goal that's that's oh that's not a good goal so that doesn't quit isn't a question of what kind of organization are you in it's a question of what's in your heart I know people in various multi-level organizations who have pure motives unfortunately those organizations many of them tend to corrupt their motives because all they do is dangle materialistic goals in front of them yet there are people who resist that and again it's a question of where your heart is yeah because the main thing they do is they tell you to get a picture of something they don't want yeah hey my wife my wife blushes are closer with Amway so great stuff yeah it's a good product oh I'm not putting the product it's cheaper at the price club but I'm not gonna anyways you know I but it's a it's it's a good product but so I don't and if we get it from very lovely people and it's wonderful so it's just a question yeah where your heart is sure okay well great I'm we're gonna have to cut it off sorry okay next time write me a letter all right I'll answer my mail thanks folks for tonight I hope we covered some things that were helpful to you and we'll do it again sometime let's stand for a word of Prayer and the honor would thank you Father tonight for our fellowship thank you for all these folks who have come to share with us and thank you Lord that we can look to your word and find all these many answers a range of subjects and we know Lord that when we have this truth that's in your holy book we know whereof we speak even the things we don't understand are okay too because you do understand and we accept the fact that we can't know everything but what we do know causes us to rejoice and may we realize that the scripture says though a man be a fool Oh a wayfaring man be a fool he need not err the truth is so clear so help us Lord to be faithful students and bless us until we meet again on your day in Christ's name Amen

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