Joe Rogan | The Strange History of the Denisovans w/Graham Hancock

the girag an experience is there any evidence that there was other species of human beings that existed in the Americas like we're finding in Russia and there's many of them that are being discovered all over the world now these subspecies human beings yeah this is an issue that I go into in in America before and what first drew me into it was Denisova cave in Siberia I think everybody's heard of the Neanderthals and these days I think everybody's heard of the Denisovans as well a lot of people have a lot of well I guess a lot of people haven't but but first of all let's take the Neanderthals for a long time it was held that the Neanderthals were stupid primitive subhumans shambling lacking symbolism turns out that that's not true at all the latest scientific on evidence on the Neanderthals is that they were symbolic creatures that they did do art that they were in every sense human and they were in every sense human because anatomically modern humans interbred with Neanderthals you can't interbreed with another species they clearly were human human beings but they looked rather different from us and that's why certain populations in the world today still have three to five percent of Neanderthal DNA then in Russia in Denisova cave they find a single pinky bone from a little finger and they do the DNA testing on it they're able to get a complete genome from it and what they discover is this isn't a Neanderthal this isn't an anatomically modern human being this is another human species who they named the Denisovans they think they're more closely related to Neanderthals than they are to anatomically modern humans but they're clearly another human species and they also interbred with anatomically modern humans and Denisovan DNA survives interestingly enough it survives predominantly in Australasia in Papua New Guinea and amongst Australian Aborigines so as part of the research for this book I went to Denisova cave I had an amazing actually just incredible trip to Russia I hadn't hadn't expected it to be like that at all Siberia I mean America is vast but my god crossing Siberia this is endless rolling plains you know this is just vast area how does cross we took a car well you can't travel independently in Russia it's very difficult you have to get you have to get permission and you have to state in advance where you're going to be stopping off that so what I found and I just did so through the internet was a was a local guy called Sergey Coogan who had a little tour business in in in Siberia in the city of Novosibirsk I got in touch with him he found a translator who would translate my emails and I said we want to make this journey to Denisova cave and can you set this up for us and get all the permissions and he did and so we flew into Novosibirsk Sergey and his translator who turned out to be a Russian student who spoke good English joined us and we did this immense journey across Siberia oh it took us three days to get to to get to Denisova cave three days three days of driving every day some stopping off along the way incredible hospitality of the of the Russians that we were were amongst very independent people people who are living out there in the wilderness and who actually do do know how to survive it's the first time I've ever drunk milk fresh from the cow literally milked right out of the cow and poured down my throat how was it it was delicious and a cream I mean thank cream there's a lot of things about Russia that surprised me Denisova cave is a fascinating beautiful place to visit it's another it's another example of a missing chapter in the human story that is beginning to be pieced together it's obvious now that we were not alone that there were multiple other human species who were human enough to interbreed with us and leave leave DNA and this Denisovan species was only discovered in like was it 2000 so I'm very recently in 2007 it's a very it's a very recent discovery and and it's a lot behind art hmm did they leave behind art better than that they they left behind certain physical objects which are extremely hard to explain one of them is a green stone bracelet and that bracelet is in the form of a talk we was therefore slipped on sideways onto the hand it's not a full ring and a hole has been drilled through the bracelet and from that hole it's been possible to reconstruct that a pendant was hung then the archeologists there it is then the archaeologists started to take a look in detail at the drill marks on that hole and what they discovered was a huge anomaly that that was drilled with a stable fixed drill and it was drilled at extremely high speed it's a this is thought to be 40 or 50 thousand years old there is not supposed to have been any such technology in that period that was capable of drilling with a stable fixed drill and yet there it is and and and there it appears so there there are also incredible very fine needles bone needles that the Denisovans made very long ones which suggests that they were stitching very heavy stuff together and the suggestion has been were they making skin boats for example to use to navigate that would explain how they managed to get themselves to Australia which is where the largest amount of Denisovan DNA survives today there's one of those there's one of those needles so that there are indications of strangely out of place technology amongst the Denisovans which is twenty thirty thousand years earlier in the human story than it than it should be those kind of needles that kind of bracelet you could expect to find them in what archaeologists call the Neolithic but to find it in the Paleolithic is very puzzling and very odd and it suggests that the Denisovans were certainly not shambling sub-sub humans that they were refined creatures can you find out what year they discovered the Denisovans Jamie can you google that real quick I don't want to say it's in the 2000s but I mean imagine that human beings been around for this long here we are in 2019 and within the last decade or so they figured this out yeah we're discovering new stuff about ourselves we're discovering that our story is much richer much more textured much more lead than we thought it was it's not a simple story it's a very complicated story and we ourselves are a hybrid species we are we are the result of interactions with all kinds of different looking human beings and the end the end result is our cell so it's not just that we carry Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA in a sense we are on the under thoughts and Denisovans you know and have that there they are part of the anatomically modern human human heritage so you make a good point the fact that this is only being discovered now and that it's an incredibly important I mean it it completely rewrites the story of our ancestry the notion the note in nineteen seven 1970s where the real work that's been done in Denisova cave has been done in the 2000s from from 2006 2007 that's when the major papers have been 2008 there have been published yeah which of which have revealed the genome of the Denisovans and revealed the Denisovan connection to to anatomically modern humans the fact that we are only finding this out now that we that we told the story of our past and weren't aware of this raises the question how much else in the story of our past is there that we are not aware of let's stop being so arrogant so sure of ourselves so confident in our findings that's been more tentative let's keep an open mind and see and see where it takes us that's that's the main message that I have from all of this and I think and I hope that this will be an effect of this book I'm not I'm not kidding myself that the archaeologists are going to jump on board overnight particularly so since I'm very critical of American archaeology in this book and I'm critical of it specifically and explicitly because of the dominance of the Clovis first model for so long which prevented other research taking place [Applause]

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Published: Tue Apr 23 2019