Joe Rogan talks to Sargon of Akkad about Anita Sarkeesian & VidCon

hello freak bitches for them but there's been a bit of an interesting development with miss sakis and if you like hear about it well Pete tell people who she is I don't even even know if I need to but a lot of people don't know do you live in a very insulated world when I asked my mom Wow frequency yeah thing area of course your mom I know okay any sarkeesian is an Internet feminist who decided after after making a bunch of videos on the YouTube channel in like 2009 through to like 2010 or something 12 she ended up getting a sort of you know favorable reception with the progressive intelligentsia were very feminist very Pro social justice and they liked her patter because it's um pretty stock pretty pretty stock in trade and it's and she was she came across as being very respectable you know she's well presented she's attractive she's well-spoken she knows her pattern so they promote they you know they made a big deal ever she sounds like a total bigots when she's talking about anything they get yeah so because she'll just say well this is men I mean the whole premise of feminism is the men are oppressing women and if men aren't oppressing women then feminism has no argument and they also have a sort of thing they say to each other where you you have the right to hate your oppressor it's right to do this it's like okay but I don't think it's ever right to hate even if you want it this is something that she said personal I'm not her personally she probably has said it personally but this is the the sort of ideological thought I mean if you read their papers if you read they're doing that they them thing again okay yeah we are talking about like a specific sphere of academic feminists in her case sex negative six negative ejected fication titties sex negative yeah they don't like sexy women and the male gaze depressingly moral raft yeah yeah that was that was part of the big issue right it was excesses of lara croft terrible terrible oppression i don't know how women can get over it but any sakis instep that was like you know it's wrong to look at these tits and everyone was like that she's wearing a really tight top for a reason and she's not real yeah but yeah so basically any sarkeesian comes from a school of sex negative feminism and she decided that she would take advantage of all this now in 2010 there was a video I think was 2010 that the video is recording black and white her Anna University giving a speech where she says I'm not a gamer I had to learn a lot about gaming to get into all this and then come 2012 I mean that video wasn't released until after she did her tropes vs. women in gaming Kickstarter 2012 May 2012 she starts this Kickstarter and I was in that within the first few days she starts posting updates on that I'm being harassed and said well yeah people generally react negatively to phenomenal bigots on the internet they don't like him people don't like it I mean when you say men are oppressing women and everything she says is a variant of men are oppressing women you know the male gaze is highly oppressive to women toxic masculinity is highly oppressing women okay when when can men legitimately look at women Anita no answer what is what is non toxic masculinity there's no such thing so what you're saying is masculinity and men checking out chicks is just bad and you hate it and the men are all bad for doing this and they're oppressing the wind when they do this well that's why I said it seems like she's a bit of a botanist she's got an angle and she realizes that there's a lot of attention that goes towards that angle and she runs with it I mean if I tell women a bunch of manipulative slags who will take your money and run they'd be like you're a massage but I got to stop you there because I don't think she's ever said all men I don't think she said that she doesn't she just uses the tournament I don't think she does I mean I really don't think she says in said she has that guy is her head guy writes for now he's nothing basically this this terrible thing but I want to set the record straight a few things because this this is something that really annoys me so I went to VidCon recently and VidCon yeah what is that YouTube convention in Anaheim something a good time it was a really good time for me but it wasn't wasn't for them there their panels look like a bloody Death March when they spotted us sing in the car there my face it's like why they get upset at you yeah just because we sat there listen to what they had to say in fact no dude I'm insulated oh this is so any sarkeesian she spots me sitting in the audience and then she starts freaking out freaking out yeah she starts she starts saying things like there's a constant harasser of mine call me you know she called me a shithead it she called me a garbage human a garbage human I did nothing to her I didn't say what I just sat in the audience while she's there cussing me out on the stage knowing this now so she's on the stage with the microphones calling you a shithead in the garbage human and this was because you've made videos about her as though this is because I've made videos debunking her points like and she's under the impression that all of my videos are about her and I actually on the ride over I got people to like counter up for me I've made around 30 videos in about four years referring to her and that's a lot no no it sounds no he did it sounds like a lot but that's less than 4% of the videos I've made I've made 790 videos I work hard I'm sure you do but that's still 30 videos I don't care if you've made a hundred million videos you still make thirty videos it's a large number you know maybe it's a large number compared to Anita who hardly does any bloody work but that's that's another interesting point but what's what's interesting about it is if someone put something out there you know you're gonna get expect that someone is gonna come along especially a guy like you that is very opinionated and if someone has very different opinions in yours you are going to have a contrary point of course that's definitely not harassing if they don't be what can't be we're in a scary position is that's terrifying yeah so howhow are you harassing like what it was it and that's the thing the worst thing you've ever said about her that she's wrong yeah well yeah I mean she's it you will never find someone who says she's a she's a good critic she's a terrible critic and she always has been she's always been put it's always been rightly pointed out her that she's cherry picked every time no one stands by her work she's become like a symbol of feminism because of all the harassment she's received now is a part of the problem right there victim culture it's a very strange you don't get any props unless someone's sending you horrible messages and then because a lot of people's been caught doing it to themselves which is really up the black lives matter activists and what yeah so basically she's her work sucks it's it's just bad work I mean nobody in the videogame industry would turn around so you know what that's great criticism need to only only like the progressive press what black lives matter it was a protest they basically had run around into the university's computer system logged into a fake Twitter account on something send themselves a bomb threat and the police tracked it down and they're like we have the video camera footage we're so funny with their need to be a victim well it's validate you know yeah it really does when you don't have an argument you need to be a victim well does she expect that well somehow I know that she's going to be able to put these points out and not have anybody dispute these points well I'm guessing so and she always she always conflates all criticism with harassment she's never addressed the critic and the first time she addresses a critic it's me and she's calling me names look she said she says that I'm responsible for all of the harassment now was it well at least not hers that's not her fault piñon and someone disputes it that person who disputes is responsible for all the rasmus yeah well basically I've always I've always said from right from the get-go don't ever contact them don't ever contact them because for a start I mean it they don't want to listen she's not interested in hearing your opinion so don't bother she's got nothing but contempt for you but secondly don't send a harassment because a it's immoral and B she's got the victim card that gives her money when when you go when you send her a message saying hey neither I think you're a bitch she goes teaching you know and then she runs off to the next interview well it she gets paid I mean some of her speeches at university she's been paid 20 grand a speech just learn I'm not joking right and it's just and for her to go the Internet's being mean to me well maybe if you weren't being a bigger online they wouldn't be maybe if you actually did some solid work and didn't say video games are making everyone sexist which they're obviously not this wouldn't be happening to you but the thing that pisses me off most about the accusations towards of harassment apart from the fact that I've never her ass her and if there was any evidence I'd harassed her it'd be all over the internet right now you know I mean it would be nothing but Twitter's because they're trying to paint me as a harasser when I'm actually just a critic of hers and I've always been completely against it but what really annoys me is that her Kickstarter if you look at it now if you go to it you can pull it up now and you can see tropes vs. women and like you know she's got a spill and then all the terrible messages the harassment the harassment that was in May 2012 I didn't make a video on YouTube until July 2013 this has been happening to her her whole career is nothing to do with me is to do with her it's because she's a dick and everyone can see it Gaga yeah do you wanna know something I've spoken to a lot of interesting people recently since I've been here yeah lots of people who know you personally Anita and they say everyone hates you because you're a dick oh this is again mean you put up about me today another one well yeah it's calling me a harasser call me all this stuff aside no you're a dick Anita yes being it did you find a video of her saying that there's no biological difference between the sexes and that millions stray they'll be buried in the middle I really think that it was her now that I'm thinking about maybe she took it down some because I remember seeing it I wish someone on the internet will be able to tweet ass or something but that so hilarious because it's so contrary to biology just a virtual science everything she says is contrary to reality I mean she'll sit there and she'll pick out like like the game hitman in her video she said something like you're incentivized to kill the woman and then they stuff a body in a trunk and the footage she's using was she didn't take herself obviously and didn't credit whoever took it in the footage she's using you see like the guy go up and kill the girl you see them lose points I know that's a disincentive ization you know that they're not incentivizing you they're saying that penalizing you for this Anita ug I mean I thought my very first video was to an eater as well you know you very first like in like July 2013 and I started because of her yeah I were inspired what kind of but I there was a lot of things that kind of you know they were going on I was like you know I I feel the need to say something just but I said part from the quality being terrible I'm bewildered at her look I listened to it the other day and I was just like wow I had no idea what was going on and I was just like looking Issa I think you're just wrong on this I think you I don't think you understand like that there is a lot to this that you you've left out and you should've said cherry-picked but you know and that's that's something that's dogged her whole career because that's all she's ever done her criticisms terrible and everyone knows it nobody likes her because she's a divisive bitch and all she does is play the victim she's got nothing she has nothing let's not talking about her specifically because we're kind of beat her down here but this is it's hard to think of anything genuinely good about it let's not talk about her I'm what I'm saying is about these ideas instead of concentrating on her as a person what's the point they've been debunked a million times all over the internet by everyone and their mother at this point I don't write well what I want to get to what's interesting to me is them what causes these people to group up into these weird sort of echo chambers they said are reiterating things that don't really work or make sense like there's no biological difference between men and women especially when it comes to strength ORS and then the the tropes about video games and also like here's the other thing like when that gamergate thing happened yeah it was it was really fascinating to me that everybody wanted to absolutely lump people in one or two categories and the two categories of people that are appalled to it appalled by it and then think that you know sexism is abhorrent and all the stuff is terrible and then the other people who supposedly if you if you wanted some sexy images and video games you had to be a piece of oh yeah like sex-negative feminism yeah but that it got into this weird category where people like hey we don't want you meddling with with art and whether it's a frank visit of censoring it yeah I mean look if you look at some of roseto stuff with the girls the bikinis and sort of familiar though I mean how famous fantasy artists oh well we sort like talk about like the 80s are yes and or really beautifully painted it's like these oil barbarians it's a it's celebration of the human physique it's all Robert E Howard's yeah Conan and Frazetta yeah was like the most famous of the yeah it was but it's very cartoonish depictions of women yeah you know like with giant tits and Brian blood all over the place and it's it's it's it doesn't make you hate women that's what the gross like just like looking at Fabio on the cover of a romance novel doesn't mean you hate men Yeah right in fact it seems you're kind of lionizing look this is this is the perfect depiction of what the artist wanted see like a man look like in a huge rippling hero carrying the maiden or whatever but it becomes this weird thing when it's a man people don't have a problem with it like no one says that it demonizes the male figure and that you know that you have set these unnatural standards so you with the self-esteem of all these young men but you absolutely have in the same way you do with women like body shaming or you know having ridiculous standards for bodies for females that works with men too it's the same thing yeah but they don't care because feminists dichotomized the world there's women being oppressed and men the oppressors and it's okay take your oppressor that's that's the that's the root of all feminist thought but that's why I want to talk about this in terms of the ideas because I think it's kind of the same thing as the right versus the left and I think it's all like a symptom of human psychology right the right the right versus the left is tribalism it is tribalism but so it's female versus male it's it's these when you look at this blind allegiance towards anyone with a vagina it's very similar to someone who has blind allegiance to his anyone who's in a red state yeah this VidCon thing that you want to would who puts this together Hank and John Green and who are they the vlogbrothers they're famous youtubers and I find it very interesting look when Anita was calling me a shithead and garbage human that's a direct violation of that code of conduct and did I do anything about it no no because she's a feminist because she's a woman oh because she gets special it's because she's any Stuckey's and why did she get special treatment because at this point she's basically become the how feminism if she fails that real though I swear to God in that what I mean is she respected in that world no no everyone hates her why did they still prop her up because she's a nice sarkeesian any sense I mean well sir there's a mythos that's built up around her and it word yes it's and they've all propped her on they've all propped her up they've all said good things about her they've all defended her and if it turns out that she is in fact an abuser which she did according to the VidCon code of conduct which what is the code of conduct oh I can't remember it was verbatim but I read out on a video it's one of my latest videos it was just a quick message to Hank and John Green and I know that thousands of people email them saying hey look she did violate your code of conduct from a position of institutional privilege at VidCon she was on the panel I didn't have a microphone she had a microphone she's calling me names she's accusing me of things aren't true she and she was doing that while you were in the audience directly looking me in the eye and it was like okay that's fine but that's not right and they've done nothing they have done nothing they've said not to talk about it and then afterwards all I got from her fans and I mean like you know hundreds and hundreds of messages all and I just retweeted them all night with exactly the same language she uses when she's displaying oh look at the nasty messages I'm guessing of people calling me ate garbage human which is what she called me and so she has done absolutely nothing different and so I said right Hank and John she's violated your code of conduct her fans she's incited cyber mode of her asses exactly as she claims I do but she has actually done this then on the Saturday she was due to be on a panel about cyber harassment see but it can't be harassment when she's a woman and you're a man because you are the oppressor so it's the same thing as racism like a black person being racist against a white person yes impossible but the only reason to do this then to not to take no action right is if you are highly ideological and interesting so you feel like they're hydia highly ideological yeah incredibly biased but I are they if they're youtube stars I mean aren't they like don't they understand yes if they're very progressed very progress so you're fairly progressive - now I'm a liberal I'm not progressed what is the difference between a liberal a little rules courses opportunity a progressive ones cause you're welcome quality of [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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Published: Mon Jun 26 2017