Joe Rogan & Gad Saad - Men, Women, Money and Mating

that you know like to say that you've never dated anybody who's over six foot five well you're tall phobic that's that's a ridiculous statement that doesn't make any sense you know to say that you've you've never dated anybody that weighs more than 300 pounds you know you're you're Mass phobic yeah that's ridiculous the baddest yeah it's just all of its stupid it's all stupid people telling but this what they're doing is it's a bunch of people that are pushing this idea of being open entirely open to all things trans that you as a heterosexual person should not just recognize that this is a woman because they transferred from a male to a female but recognize even if they haven't transferred and recognized them in terms of sexual selection in terms of a date right and that's just [ __ ] stupid but because you can decide right you're not into certain things like I'm not really into girls with short hair you can decide that it's not my thing I don't like girls with shaved heads I don't find it attractive like a woman can say that too I don't like guys are creeping mustaches and nobody gets mad at them right but if a man says to certain people I'm not into chicks with dicks then that guy's a piece of [ __ ] or what about there's a thing called sexual racism where you specifically you know are not attracted to a particular you know yes I don't like Asian men I don't like black women right you're not supposed to instantiate those sexual preferences if the racial cue is the one that's causing you to either be attracted or not attached to someone what do you think of that well there's certainly beautiful people of all races not make a whole lot of sense to me in terms of the person selection like if you tell me you've never seen a beautiful black woman right like you're crazy like you haven't met enough black women if you tell me 17 a beautiful Asian woman like what what are you saying like there's beautiful people in this also you should be allowed to to be with whoever you want in terms of not but why is it it's always sex right because like obnoxious people here's a perfect example I don't like friends that are loud and get drunk in public Oh what are you drunk phobic no I just don't enjoy that so like in terms of sexual selection dates I tell you why that analogy might fail look at some of the progresses you could alter your level of obnoxiousness you could grow heart of your obnoxious well I know some people conceivably female I know some people are [ __ ] that's just who they are fair enough do you want to name any names no but your race is a immutable part of you okay that's the perspective yeah I see that I mean I'm playing devil's advocate I'm not agreeing with it okay but what about tall versus short you know what if you're a woman volleyball player and you're 6 for 3 you don't want to date a guys 5 feet tall you know are you what are you what do you by the way that is one of the biggest problems of being a very tall woman because one of the one of the so there's something called assorted of mating in evolutionary theory a sort of mating is basically birds of a feather flock together and that's very much the mechanism that drives mate choice much more than opposites attract so one of the sources of mating cues that people most assort on is height so it's not so much that women want guys that are only six foot or taller it's just that the woman wants a guy who's taller than her right so if you look at there is a study that I've discussed in the past that looked at something like 720 actual couples and I think there was only a single one out of the 720 where the woman was taller than the man now once a woman gets to be over a certain height she's 6 4 to 6 4 3 her potential pool of prospective suitors really shrinks and so if you have a daughter you really want to pray that she doesn't get too tall because boy or her choice is going to be limited because few women want to date a shorter guy and then yeah when you're at 6 foot 3 6 foot 4 woman yeah that's got to be a tough spot I mean you're basically relegated to big athletes or big giant people the other place where you get this sort of a sort of amazing is where you get women who are super educated that makes sense the exact same thing happens for the more educated a woman gets the worse her marriage prospects because the more sophisticated women are the more they insist on a high status male and therefore as I get more educated as a woman there are just fewer men who are as educated or more than me and therefore I'm do to a life of Solitude that totally makes sense that totally makes sense especially considering that men you know in general they get insecure around women who are more successful yes and more educated or more intelligent like very rarely are men comfortable with a woman who has to explain things to them absolutely Anna yeah by the way I think so I have another theory which I'd like to at some point test maybe someone will steal it now so when you have a couple that gets married very young they are judging one another based on their made value at 18 or 19 right so Tony is the high school quarterback and so he's the hot guy and I'm the cheerleader and then later he stagnates he doesn't go on with his career whereas I go on and become a physician I'm cheerleader so at 29 there is now a huge inequity between our two mating values on the mating market right so when we were both 19 the fact that we had roughly the same mating value made us a very attractive stable couple but Tony turned out to be a [ __ ] loser exactly he's a lame duck exactly and so I so have a theory that and I'd like to at some point that's it maybe some graduate student will write to me saying I'll work with this on you dr. Saad I have a theory whereby I think that in many cases where people end up divorcing when they married young it's precisely because that which started as equitable mating values at time t0 turned out to have huge divergence in our trajectory on the mating market and that puts a huge strain on the marriage especially when the wife's status is going up the best way to ensure that the marriage ends is for the status of the woman to keep going up and that of the man to either stagnate or go down that's going to be doomed that makes sense it may it makes sense that also you know obviously the young marriages are rough because people grow and they don't necessarily grow together all right you catch people ten years later and there are oftentimes radically different people great but then there's also the thing that women don't seem to for the most part respect a man who's not doing as well as them that's that's a giant issue even if the guys doing okay like say if your guys making $50,000 you that's a very good living he's out there doing well but you make 300 I make 300 grand a year and this [ __ ] losers over here with his 50 grand like you're kicking ass you're like some bigwig it's some big corporation like that that seems to be a real sticking point and with men especially if they have a household where they contribute in come together they they pile all the income and the man starts spending the woman's money on stuff you know he starts buying stuff you got a new fishing rod what did you get that with your money or my money you know it gets weird right and incidentally so speaking if we could say consumer psychology stuff that I study when you take a very rich woman and you go out on a date with her even though she obviously can afford the dinner and she can afford anything that you're going to buy her if you exhibit cues of frugality cheapness mm-hmm that's the perfect way to ensure that you won't have a second date so it's not so much a question of you know it's an all sexist ritual whereby men were wooing women it really is an honest signal of your commitment to a woman so the best way and I get many of these letters where people ask me hey professor what do you know what you know dating advice well you do have to exhibit generosity when you go out yeah that's I mean nuptial gift-giving natural gift-giving is sort of a fancy term for courtship rituals across animal species so many species you have typically the male engaging in some form of courtship gift-giving and depending on the quality of the gift will determine whether the female will mate with you or not well so much of what we do in marketing context is exactly that right it's the exact same phenomenon repeating itself in the human context right engagement rings right the fact that you supposed to spend a quarter of your yearly salary on this rock really what it is yeah it's that's what I'm I don't know if everybody meets it but that's right it is that right three months is that god when you say a quarter of the yearly salary it makes you just go what in the [ __ ] is wrong with people but so much money but here's the but here's the reason here's the reason you ready it's what's called a Zahavi on signal I don't know if I've ever discussed this in this in this podcast Zahavi on signal is basically the idea that for a signal to be honest it has to be costly otherwise everybody could imitate it right so something so think about for example rites of passage in different cultures right if you want to demonstrate that you're a top warrior the rite of passage has to be brutal otherwise if it's only we all have to do five situps then every male could do it and then the females can't determine the the pretenders from the real guys right so so you have for example bullet ant you know this one here right you put your hands through right I mean that takes a lot of courage and explain it to people don't over talk them so this is a tribe in the Amazon whereby you take the bullet ant is supposedly the the biggest purveyor of pain that is humanly possible that you could experience my friend Steve got stung by one did it and what did he was in Bolivia I believe and he got stung and in his heel got him in the heel and he said it was just he was delirious he said it last for a few hours then it goes away right so what they do in this tribe is they take a bunch of these ants in the order of a couple of hundred one is enough to cause you agonizing impossible delirious pain and they sedate them through this compound and then they interweave them in these gloves these leaf gloves so that when they're coming to they come out of their stupor and you have your hands in there they start viciously biting you stinging you and you're supposed to withstand that pain without screaming you have to take an answer you sort of almost go into this religious fervor this kind of incantation and you have to do that ritual 20 separate occasions 20 different times on different days 20 20 before you are admitted into the tribe of warriors whatever well now let's think it back to the engagement ring right if all it takes for me to convince you my honest intentions is to buy you flowers and now let's go back behind the shed and you know have sex well then a lot of cheaters are going to convince you of doing this one they really didn't have good intentions but if it takes for me to spend a quarter of my salary to convince you that I have so therefore this is a form of what's called as a hobby and signaling because Zahavi was a israeli ornithologist that studied this type of behavior this costly signaling behavior using arabian babblers which is a type of bird so here's another example of as a having signal you probably have seen this when you have a predator that's looking at who to attack you often will have gazelles starting to actually make themselves conspicuously visible to the predator they come close to him they start jumping from have you ever seen this do you know and it's called strutting not strutting and can you think why that would be no why are they not hiding why are they not making themselves inconspicuous why why are they drawing attention to themselves when there are 50 different gazelles that the predator could be pointing to why well because what it's what what that animal is saying is the fact that I could stand here in front of you and jump up and down and make myself this visible suggest that it's probably a lost cause for you to try to go after me I'm super fit right it's a costly signal of my fitness it's an honest signal right the one who is not doing this behavior is the one that you should be paying attention to right so this is called and so I used this principle of Zahavi and signaling to explain things like conspicuous consumption right the reason why you buy the fancy car that the other males can't hope to purchase it's precisely because they can't afford to match your signal therefore it's an honest signal the reason why I buy a hundred million dollar painting that a monkey could have drawn shows how wealthy I am that I could waste a hundred million dollars ah that makes sense that makes sense it's all just mating stuff it's mating and food yeah you don't want to become somebody's dinner you want to find dinner and you want to have sex good night everybody yeah those signals are so fascinating when we see them in our culture and people get angry at them like you see some guy pull up in a Ferrari and you go look at this [ __ ] loser with his little Duke right you like maybe or maybe guy with a shitload of money wants to let the world know cuz he likes to [ __ ] you right I've shared actually on this show I think the stories about Mike one of my brothers who was a big car collector three Ferraris Aston Martin Lagonda and I've even shared a story which I'm happy to repeat of we would go to night clubs where he's just this is Olympian this is the five foot three guy who and we would go to night clubs and he would pick the most beautiful woman and approach her even though she's accompanied by six-foot-four you know tough [ __ ] guy and and he had that confidence I think because he had that wealth catapulting him he certainly helps it certainly helps yeah it's um you know it is a weird ever prevalent aspect in the communication between men and females is how much money does the man have right I mean and this is one thing that a lot of women hate because they don't want to feel like they could be purchased and they can't they can't they can't some can write a lot can it's a factor it's a big fan and a lot of women are very just rapidly ruthlessly independent they don't want that ever in their life and good for them but but the reality is it's a very effective strategy you pull up in that Ferrari or that Rolls Royce or whatever the [ __ ] you're driving and it has a big impact and get to that nightclub and those studies have been done endlessly and downstairs I called you so here's one example and you don't need to have a signal as big as a Ferrari just how you dress in terms of the status that is exhibited there's a study that was done I think in the early 90s where they manipulated the status the sartorial the attire of men and women into one of three different types you know high status medium and you know t-shirt or McDonald's you know from whatever and then they asked men and women one of six possible you know would you go out for a coffee with this guy would you go out on dinner would you have sex with him would you marry him and across all six levels of relationships the status of the attire of a man had a profound effect on the likelihood of the woman saying yes higher the status the more likely she said yes that same manipulation on women had zero effect on men yeah in other words no man has ever uttered the following word words my god you've got a juicy butt and I'd love to have sex with you but you're not exhibiting cues of ambition therefore no sex for you Linda yeah that's that's a reality that's a reality that people are very uncomfortable with and I don't think women necessarily are craving the same reaction from men because of their ambition I don't think women are ever saying through my ambition I'm gonna get a good man right you know that just it's not a factor but they do say through my I ambition I am never going to need a man true that's because that's just look the reality is there's a lot of shitty human beings out there and some of them have penises right and if you're a woman and you run into too many of those or for bye for whatever reason because of your environment because of your behavior because the circles you travel in you're around too many of them there's a large dating pool of [ __ ] out there you know you just say I don't want this in my life I don't want to be like my mom I don't want to be like my sister I want to be independent but what you're not saying is I am gonna get a baller house and a baller car and I'm gonna get me a man and the only woman that I know of that I've ever heard say that is disgusting and the only woman that I ever she's like you know talking about her success and our success allows her to get man she's a foul Beast Wow yeah she's not it's not healthy but incidentally a lot of women it's not so much of their interest I mean resources are good only to the extent that they allow you to ascend the social hierarchy right this doesn't explain why some women are attracted to the starving artist right because what why are so many romanticizing over the guy with the guitar but that's because they are choosing him based on his future trajectory right I am banking right I am banking on the fact that you exhibit enough talent that I suspect that by investing in you by choosing you it's gonna take me to that trajectory no woman has ever uttered the following words you have no talent you exhibit no ambition you're never going to step out of the basement let's have sex right so so it's not that women are only interested in money they're interested in a panoply of cues all of which relate to the potential of ascending the social hierarchy

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Published: Thu Dec 20 2018