Joe Rogan Experience #2147 - Mike Baker

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day Mike Baker it's very important that I ask you about this what that cuz uh I know you're an expert on conflict how do you feel about the uh Kendrick Lamar and Drake beef man I am so glad you asked me about this cuz my boys you know I got I got three boys and all three of them have mentioned this in the past few days right and they want they want to talk about it right so scooter will say God did you hear what he said and I was like honestly no I haven't but um they they've all brought this up uh I am completely unfamiliar with the although it sounds like the old days East versus West right in the old R battle I think it's a it's a personality thing CU one of them is Toronto so it's actually America versus Canada oh well real conflict there and which one is the the little guy Kendrick Lamar Kendrick Lamar that's right yeah so that's what my middle boy Sluggo said I think he's like 5 foot one or something he's not a big fell him and uh Drake have been going out it now four songs a piece so eight songs dedicated to beef I think that's fantastic I think we need more of that right it's better than the Hamas conflict security guard injured in shooting outside Drake's home in Toronto oh Jesus Christ Drive damn it it was a drive by yeah and the security guard was outside said he was shot I think unconsciously taken to the hospital oh my died see it was do not know whether the shooting was related well what take a [ __ ] guess you think or was a driveby might be related well that's when [ __ ] gets scary when people start shooting at each other yeah no I when it was just cuz like I I think it was Sluggo who told me that one of them I think it must have been Drake who was talking about his uh he dissed him by talking about his size seven feet or something right and uh that's fine I think it's great if everybody would just like if the Israelis and Hamas would go after each other in in song WS yeah battle wraps yeah why not yeah dance off that's how they should do it yeah this is this uh it was hilarious but everybody's invested in this beef my oldest daughter and my wife were in the car this morning and they were having a conversation these two grown ass women having a conversation about who's the superior rapper and they felt that Kendrick is a better Lyricist although Drake has more hits Drake has more hits started from the bottom now we're here I mean look he's got some bangers they both have bang I love Kendrick Lamar yeah I just wish these two would hug it out yeah well now it's now it's moved on to the firefight stage of the of the battle Yeah well now they're shooting what did you say J Kendrick's first big point was that it's it's 20 verse one because Drake has all those Ghost Riders helping him make all these all these hits so that's an allegation in the RAP Community apparently that Drake hires Ghost Riders I don't know how I feel about that so uh I feel like the same way I feel like if I find out someone there's a banging song like Beyonce has a song out I don't get upset if she didn't write it get upset it's mostly only in rap that people are like you didn't write that like comedy like comedy like the same thing with comedy country song they don't care country they do care not really yeah was guys like Zack Bryan shine through because they write their own but it's very collaborative the countries are hugely collaborative Tennessee whiskey right Tennessee whiskey was a song Oh Chris Teton yeah but but you know he didn't write it and came out did write no came out he performed it and someone else wrote it yeah came out years before wrot for people correct but yeah just like I even think there's tons of right for each other exactly yeah there's a lot of those guys that like Chris table to met a living for a long time as a writer yeah because people looked at them like come on man you ain't sexy yeah meanwhile they were wrong they were and it's a very it's a smaller Community right you know the country music community and and there does tend to get more uh crossover between musicians and riters right I mean a lot of them will start out like you said as riters there you go Tennesse Whiskey country song written by Dean Dylan and Linda Hargrove originally recorded by artist David Allen Co for his album the same name peing at number 77 in the Billboard Hot country singles in 1981 wow George Jones 1983 version of the song was included on his album shine on and reach number two on the hot country singles chart what great artist did you hear that Randy Travis Randy Travis is using AI now to make new songs because he's he was paralyzed by a stroke but because they could take his voice voice which is an iconic voice Randy Travis has it incredible voice but because of AI they can get recordings of him singing and he could plug it into Ai and he can still make songs and you know how much of a recording they need nowadays to actually mimic the entire range of a person's voice 30 seconds but less than that now start not that long ago it was 30 seconds now you need a snippet and by a snippet I mean seconds yeah and you can then you can you can then uh mimic that Voice through a range of emotions and and and uh scenarios it's it's stunning a guy who just got fired because he made a fake AI recording of a guy he worked for saying a bunch of racist things and the guy like everybody was attacking him and got in trouble and then they somehow or another did an analysis on IT director did it to like the principal of the high school he was about to get fired so he's like instead of me getting fired watch this right he thought he's being slick but he's a dummy and he didn't know that they can tell they can analyze audio recordings and tell whether or not they're real how do they do that how can they tell well that one specifically I think someone else was like they it was a conversation between two people and they both were like I didn't hear that and I didn't say that so they're like all right well well what could have happened I mean there if I broke I don't I think they got the guy's computer to find out what he so he must have had a secret recording and then in that secret recording and he took it and then threw it through Ai and had him say a bunch of nword in there yeah there's there's two aspects of this whole thing right there's the there's the detection portion of it right can you detect like something like this is is fake whether it's audio whether it's video uh combination of both and then there's the other side of it which is trying to stay up with the capabilities of those that are trying to do these you know identity thefts or whatever you want to call it and that's the um that's sort of the proactive effort to lock down recordings right and there's some some interesting work being done in that space where if you film something say you go to a a campaign rally and you film that campaign rally there are uh there are a handful of companies out there figuring out that you can essentially water market right so that it cannot be [ __ ] with right and that you can determine if it's an actual recording or not and that's really I mean you think about you know how much disinformation is roiling around out there now right so but detection it's important but it's not enough anymore so where the focus has to be is on ensuring that anything that's being recorded whether it's a body cam for a police officer whether it's maybe somebody's at a protest right and they're and they're a protester or they're on the other side whatever to be able to to film something and then ensure that it's accurate and true going forward right and that's that's a really important part because you can't the detection side of it's important but it can't stay up with the developments of all the folks out there all the criminal gangs criminal elements and whether it's state sponsored or not that's out there you know just with this disinformation effort so I mean it's a fascinating it's a fascinating problem that people are getting duped constantly it's a fascinating problem that is only going to get worse as these new versions of AI get rolled out it's going to be more and more difficult to detect what's true and what's fake it's and people could do it on their computer so easy now I was this one of Biden he's walking and he pauses to talk to people and they CGI [ __ ] like that he's pooping himself I saw that the one where the one where he kind of stops he that weird pause he's got a fart you just see and poop himself and people are out there saying look that's a that's a midstage dementia stance right that's what they're that's what they're saying now they're they're talking about that I don't know I don't know about that but but look something's going on there are if you talk about uh just uh what do they call it face swap right so they can take a photo of somebody now they can take a little snippet of of somebody talking now and there are over a hundred apps out there readily available to anybody right um that can basically do this face face swap technology and put somebody else in there and and criminal elements are doing it all the time so if I'm a fraudster and I send a note say to to somebody in in uh in procurement I say hey you need to send a a check for $100,000 to the to our vendor right here's the details well they might have protocols in place at the company says okay well first this is a large transaction I better call the finance director right or whomever they've got a way that they can they can figure out how to spoof all of that right so you could be talking to whom you think is the finance director but they'll actually with the face swap technology that's available out there right it's it's somebody having a conversation you think it's the the finance director but they're they're talking to you and completely different person completely different gets Chang their face gets Chang they look exactly like you so I could use face swap technology that ex exists today and with all the recordings that we have of you from this show oh [ __ ] yeah yeah 100% we could have you saying a bunch of [ __ ] that you never really said and some [ __ ] that I probably did say over the years yeah we've said a lot of [ __ ] yeah there's some [ __ ] but um um let me ask you this like when they when they're doing this uh this all this face swap technology and all all this different stuff like what what can be done to try to keep ahead of it to make sure like from a national security perspective like how do you how do you keep how do you know right um there's a couple parts to that one if Netanyahu all of a sudden has some crazy speech right and says some wild [ __ ] and like we're going to war like hey yeah is that real well what they I mean again part of it is like uh there there's a handful of companies out there um and uh um they will they they're able to again record and it in instantly as it does it it it embeds information right it embeds specific time location uh you know uh your coordinat in the recording and it's in there right and then it and it's sort of a blockchain uh system where then on the other side the person can look and go yeah this is accurate this is correct right this but people have to be able to take that and that's I guess where I'm going with this people have to be able to to to to take that step to ensure what they're watching is uh accurate so when people say well how do you how do you prevent this how do you keep this from happening the unsatisfactory answer to to a large degree is it comes down to individual people right everybody has a big [ __ ] responsibility now more so than before to understand what they're looking at listening to watching well we're [ __ ] we're [ __ ] we well now we're really [ __ ] I don't want I don't want to sound cynical because there just too many people that are concerned about Drake and K Lamar and don't even know what's going on in Gaza they're much more concerned with that like we have like a lot of 84 IQ out there bouncing around walking into traffic yeah 84 what is that average nowadays or is that I don't even know I think it's 15% of the population is 84 and Below right is that what it is remember we yeah that would also be mean 15% is whatever 100 plus and above what's the actual numbers like let's let's get a pie chart of IQs see it's it's a standard deviation thing for uh see already I know you're above 84 just because you said that yeah you said standard 8 deviation wow and he Googles with one hand so like that's cuz Carl's being petted just no matter what almost no matter what thing you're trying to average out they're almost always end up looking this way and 15% will always be bro what what percentage 0.1% are 55 and Below [ __ ] 2% of the population is 70 Jesus between 55 and 70 2% of the population and then 14% of the population is 85 yeah but 34% is below 100 so most people are between 85 and5 and me I'm in that sweet zone between 115 and 130 oh yeah yeah really that's that's impressive I I suspect I'm to the left of that somewhere yeah um I've never taken an IQ test I took one at 2 o'clock in the morning and I I wasn't even awake I wanted to sit and I said I should probably take some Alpha Brain and take this [ __ ] again and get fired up but I didn't I'm happy with my score yeah yeah I mean honestly I just wanted to know was it really stupid you know well God uh that's okay that's interesting so you know what a lot of people hanging out in the 85 to 115 I don't think the the real issue with all this stuff though is emotional intelligence and social intelligence and uh there's people that are very brilliant people that I know that that suck at those other things and that's held them back in life so are you smart are you really smart if you your emotional intelligence sucks so hard yeah yeah your ability to read social cues your ability to form meaningful friendships suck so hard that you know you're you're isolated and nobody likes to be around you but you have a high IQ some supposed to think that's good that seems dumb I mean it works for some people I suppose it doesn't though that's a a recipe for an unhappy life that's stupid yeah well I mean you never know you get you get somebody who's who you know they're a brilliant scientist and they just they have very little social maybe they're happy in in in the science lab I don't know that's true I agree empathy is I mean we try to work with our our kids all the time on that right I mean you want a well-rounded kid our job is to raise not average children but you want them to be well-rounded and and empathy uh being able to read social cues read a room that's that is super important um my kids are all very kind and I love that it makes me very very happy they're very kind they're they're kind to people they're kind to their friends they're kind to people they feel bad when someone's not doing well they they're kind that means a lot I'm very happy they got that from us that I think it's did they get that from you or did they get that from probably more from Mrs Rogan I'm nice though I and I work real hard at it too because I don't have instincts to be nice my instincts are not to be very nice my my instincts are survival the fittest it's very hard to like put that aside and just be kind sometimes but it always feels better when I do it is you know what and and that's how kids learn to do it right I mean people always ask you know about with with parenting the kids are watching from the time they're nuggets right and they absorb [ __ ] and you know if you want your kid to be empathetic you've got to demonstrate that you got to demonstrate kindness you got to demonstrate consideration uh our boys my daughter's great my daughter is uh is is very good and our boys are are boys and they're they're aggressive and competitive and and all that they but um I think ARS probably follow the traditional sort of multi- kid path right so like the oldest boy is is empathetic right and kind and and considerate youngest boy is probably a Savage youngest youngest boy he's like the [ __ ] mayor of party time that's what I'm saying because he's got to deal with the older brothers he had to grow up quicker yeah and the middle boy he usually better at things too um yeah I actually you know what he's he's as my wife says uh who's the greatest person I know she she calls him the sleeper right because he kind of comes in on the radar you don't expect him to be great at something and then he is right because he's been watching and he's pissed off and he wants to be better than his brothers right and then the middle boy is is just like he's just like [ __ ] you get out of my way uh you know he's the basketball player he's down IMG he's into his own thing and and he's he's a great kid but he's just like this is what I'm going to do I don't know what you're doing or what you're doing but here's here's me he's got to focus that's cuz there's a lot of people around realize he can't concentrate other people being happy got to do what he wants to yeah that's right so it is I mean it's and I think that's interesting Dynamic right it is and and you think about it and you think about they all grow up and people talk about this all the time so it's nothing new but you know kids grow up in the same environment right and then they end up being so uniquely different in ways they different out of the box this and boy genetics plays a factor my God plays a factor and you realize it when you see your kids grow up and you see traits that like there is no [ __ ] way this is getting to you any way other than genetics there's no way yeah cuz I mean at at a certain point yeah they start to take some influence from their friends you know and they but by then hopefully you've kind of already set their whatever their moral compass right and and they know what they're supposed to do maybe they stray off that path occasionally right um but for the most part no they I I think You' you've got to you've got to set the parameters you got to set the course kids little little kids want to know what the hell's expected of them I'll tell you one thing reports from the front lines of kidss in high school today that woke shit's out the window that word [ __ ] comes flying out these kids mouths they're they're bringing that back strong they are bringing that back strong I'll tell you that woke thing it got into college it and then the high school kids the ones coming up now they are rejecting it I 100% agree with you and I and I know that because um our youngest um Mugsy he like what 12 years old now and so he's in sth grade and he was in the complete blast zone of woke right because and and like the oldest one who's you know 16 he kind of had some of it the middle one again didn't care he was like you know [ __ ] you you don't play ball so I'm not paying attention to you and um but the youngest one was in the complete firing you know fire zone of this this this this woke culture and you'll never meet a more conservative sexist kid in your life cuz he's just like I he'll come back and he'll tell us some stories from his his school which is a great school but it's it's pretty woke it's pretty liberal right you got you got kids walking around as furries you got a lot of multicolored hair you got all sorts of things going on there and uh and he'll come back and tell us stories and he's just like I just don't understand what the hell's happened so he works harder to sport yeah that's what you get from a lot of people that work hard at sports people that value hard work and people that value hard work tend to be more conservative and more less inclined to indulge people on their mental illness you know oh you're a cat no you're not you have cat ears on they don't even look like a cat you don't even have a good costume on like you're not tricking people in the dark okay shut the [ __ ] up you're not a cat yeah you don't yeah no you're you're just 12 and really confused and I get it yeah he he came home one day and he said he said some girl turned around dressed as a cat and kicked him right because she thought he had pulled her tail and then apparently she hissed at him and walked away and he was like I didn't [ __ ] pull her tail oh my God I don't want anything to do with him yeah so she hissed at him Jesus Christ this is so indulgent that's so crazy you know what's interesting is like tuo Carlson has a had a very good point when he talked about um the difference between different dysphoria like uh body dysphoria for like anorexia versus gender dysphoria and he said when a child has body dysphoria and they think they're fat you don't tell them oh yeah you are fat no you help them you say no you're not fat this is just a mental disorder but when someone says I'm a boy you say oh you are a boy you don't say sweetie your name is Dorothy yeah shall we go shopping for dresses Dorothy why did I come up with Dorothy Dorothy are people still naming their kid Dorothy I don't think I think bring it back dthy Carol nobody names their kids Carol it's beautiful name those are beautiful names dot that was the nickname for Dorothy it was dot I know that cuz I know a Dorothy that's right she goes by dot that's right yeah people are like what the [ __ ] are they how bizar dot God how yeah that's a weird one so but you're right it's it's the Indulgence it's and again look everybody fine do what you want to do I don't need to go along with it I don't need to celebrate it I don't need to you know and that's but that's what's expected it went past like maybe I'm I'm a little bit different I'm going to go through a phase in life now it's like I'm going through a phase and you better [ __ ] well accept it right it's also celebrate it there's like a value a social value to having anxiety there's a social value to what you will call childhood trauma you know or social value to like everybody has PTSD from like it could be from like high school it could be like from minor stuff but it's it's looked at as oh we have to be you know we have to be considerate of someone's past everybody's got trauma everybody yeah that's part of life but the the the answer is not to overindulge every single aspect of everyone's idea so that you do let a kid wear a [ __ ] t and ears and run around the high school and be a freak cuz like that's not good either that's not healthy well it's crazy it's not healthy and it's and it's confusing for those kids too right I mean I honestly believe if you if you address it properly right and you and you deal with it it's long-term better health for that individual right which is what you want right everybody wants that and you know but we've we've got I don't if you want to go to a once you're a grown adult and you got your own job and you pay for own apartment you want to go to a Furry Convention God bless you God bless you I just don't think you should be able to wear a [ __ ] tail in school and hiss at people that just seems that seems silly yeah it seems silly also my friend's son goes to a school where you can't wear hats so you can't wear hats in class but kids can wear like [ __ ] duck ears or Ducks don't have ears like don't they how do they hear they have they they're like they don't stick out when I I was coming up with a stupid animal from for some reason duck that's how you know I'm not invested in this idea I think a duck with ears would be a good-look duck um you got [ __ ] dog ears or cat ears or whatever the [ __ ] you think you are a raccoon stop our boy schools they can't we can't wear hats either our boy schools yeah they can't wear hats but they can wear these stupid [ __ ] ears is my point yeah it's like a headband I guess or you know this time of year is a great time of year and it's a great time of year because speaking of hats and everything is said um this time of year is is is uh crew cut flat top season ah so the youngest one Mugsy went ahead and the other day and got himself a a buzz cut nice it's nice there is I we used to go all my brothers and I we knew it was summer was approaching when my dad would say okay here we go and they we had the home Clipper kit right and uh there was something great about that flat top that crew cut right and so anyway he's got his he's got his crew cut going on and uh I suspect he's the only one in this entire school that's got this and it's a good look for him right um and it also you know it it i i again I think there's there's so much happening in the school in terms of the way kids are are what's the word I'm looking for coddled right that you know I feel proud about uh Mugsy CU he he comes walking into school there's no mistaken like this kid is not this kid is not angsty he's not worried about anything right he's uh he's got the crew cut going on yeah this uh this is a very unique challenge for these kids to get through this [ __ ] and come on the other end understanding that no one's coming to save you you're responsible for yourself in life and you got to get after it you got to actually do something if you want a successful happy life you have to be engaged in some sort of a Pursuit something that you enjoy whatever the [ __ ] it is find it go for it hard work is important the world really does operate on a meritocracy except in corrupt situations but it's also Battlefield right for these kids to Minefield is probably better way to put it because got yes you've got you got the kids you want them to do all those things right play sports be involved in Hobbies activities whatever it is stay busy focus on your grades be balanced be nice to people um but they're walking through this Minefield every day there's a potential for them right to to upset somebody who's looking to be upset and and I'm talking about 12 13 14 15 year old kids right who are looking to be insulted right and and very quickly use the system that's been put in place right which caters to them right and so it is you know and and you know my boys you know have run a foul of that system a couple of times for you know it's lunacy maybe speaking their mind maybe not saying calling someone of them not addressing someone as a plural yeah I one of my kids went with a they them went to school with a they them and this girl wore [ __ ] makeup she wore makeup and dresses but she said she was non-binary and she would get upset if someone didn't call her or they or them how old at the time 11 12 God 12 12 I guess yeah what the [ __ ] man were you worried were you worried about that sort of thing when you were 11 years old I didn't even know it was a thing I don't think I realize it was a thing until I was 50 yeah I never heard of non-binary I mean I would imagine that there are people that are asexual they're not interested in attra physical affection they're probably on the Spectrum God bless you but is that what is that what n means no but that's like asexual asexual I get but when you say you're not a boy or a girl okay if you were a puppy and I wanted a boy puppy or a girl puppy which one would you be I know you're not a puppy yeah you know like this is the thing with the Supreme Court Justice with um katangi Brown Jackson who said she's not a biologist they asked her what is a woman she said I'm not a biologist right but you're a woman so how about take a shot at it yeah like if I brought you a puppy how do you know if it's a boy dog or a girl dog can we use that same judgment for humans is that possible isn't it true in the majority of cases that a woman has ovaries and a vagina and they can have babies for the most part yeah yeah for the most part yeah well just try to watch people like just lose their minds try asking somebody like that you know is there a difference imagine between a man and a woman to a Supreme Court's Justice 20 years ago imagine if Ruth Bader Ginsburg 20 years ago somebody asked her she would go shut the [ __ ] up with these stupid questions I'm here on the goddamn Supreme Court to get [ __ ] done okay I'm not here to hear what what did you ask me God what a woman is why don't you ask me what paint is now ask me what tires are now how about a bunch of other [ __ ] what's a pencil shut the [ __ ] up but it's also it's but it's it's University administrators it's it's anybody in a position of leadership who's afraid of getting bullied right and so that nobody wants to State the obvious we went through the whole pandemic with one side screaming believe the science right and then now they're like well I no you know it depends on the context of whether a man and a woman are different you're thinking look you can you again do whatever you want to do but if you're if you're a a girl but you identify as a boy then you're a girl identifying as a boy and vice versa right that doesn't seem complicated to me also if you want us to trust the science you got to make the science trustworthy you can't leave the science in the hand of Corporations is stand a profit if the science reflects one thing or the other you can't do that because they do it they've done it forever they've been fined for it you know they do it you know it's standard practice you know that they've run multiple tests and multiple studies and they'll throw out the ones that don't show any positive results and they finagle the studies to show some kind of figaz positive thing and then they'll start prescribing it to people and they do it for money you know they do it for money every body knows they do it for money so shut the [ __ ] up about this science thing until you can sort the science out until you know the S unless you have a third party nonbiased where there's not a revolving door between the the the government organization and the pharmaceutical drug companies which we know there is and we know that they know there is so we know that they know where the [ __ ] bread is buttered and they know how to get things through and then lookie dooo he works for madna now lookie do God dud galaxo Smith Klein just hired them you know I mean look I'm not everybody should make money I'm glad pharmaceutical drug companies exist they make awesome stuff right but you got to be honest and you don't hit me with that trust the science [ __ ] if you haven't made the science trustworthy stop yeah and you can't it also can't be a moving line right either you do or you don't right and and and it can't be based on where you fall politically right which seems to be how it works right and so it's when whenever uh yeah yeah we trust some just not chromazone chromone stuff is is it's very subjective very sub fascist I wanted to ask you this before I forget yeah when you were uh working for the agency did you guys I know that there is a program where they use special effects makeup to change someone's appearance have you ever seen that in person oh yes yes how does it look yeah it um well it it gets better all the time so could I go to a concert like could I sneak into sneak into a concert with a rubber nose yeah get me a nice yeah that's what we used to do we hand out rubber noses and uh googly eyes yeah then nobody would see us coming like CL yeah no we have a disguise uh unit uh at the agency and I'm I'm super proud of them and I I I was the benefit of their expertise on numerous occasions because you might guess I mean I I'd spent almost my time with the agency overseas in operations and there's some places where I don't blend right in I know so they Blended you just like on Team America World Police remember yes bro picture one of the one of the greatest H bricks H bricks how good is that movie that's a it's the greatest movie ever they're the best Parker and Matt Stone are the [ __ ] best oh my god when they did the puppet sex Matt Stone and Trey Parker did I switch their names yeah M uh yeah the puppet sex scene when they thought okay a few minutes of this it's making people uncomfortable nuts keep going with it right well you know the original is far longer the original she poops on his chest or he poops on her chest and she pees on him or he pees on her God this is his [Laughter] disguise oh [ __ ] come on Gary you have the power [Laughter] [ __ ] Durk durka La durka durka muhamed Jihad Haka shaaka man thises this take me this takes me back no he's an actor bro God it's so good he saved them he saved them being an actor one of the greatest yeah that really that really takes me back to the operational days too such an amazing movie yeah the disguise unit is fantastic and okay so mes yeah so this is from the disguise wow she was there she was uh you know senior officer there did you ever were you ever talking to someone y I think this motherfucker's wearing a disguise no but I've talked to people wearing disguises i' I've had I've had the full overhead mask look how good that is with sunglasses on with sunglasses on that's crazy I never did wear the uh the uh monkey outfit um yeah we we didn't do that one but look how good that looks yeah that's insane no and here's the thing about this is it because what they did was they went they went to Hollywood um and there's been this this liaison for years years and years between the agency and and Hollywood when it comes to special effects when it comes to makeup and again and and it's horses for courses so sometimes you need a light disguise right I'm not giving away any secrets this is stuff is all out there and and U um so you know you get get a light disguise it's for a brief You Know cover for Action you know there's not you're not going to be engaged in this what would be light disguise you know like a rubber nose um yeah it could be it could be like a wig it could be uh you know uh facial hair uh change of glasses could be um just a change of hair color um in reality if you're out on the street I know I probably disappear down a rabbit hole and people would be like oh this is [ __ ] boring but if you're out on the street and you're just you're in a surveillance exercise say right and you're you're covering a Target then all you got to do is you're just talking about switching up your your look a little bit it could be a hat right it could be a coat it could be a backpack whatever you're doing so it doesn't have to be much and then you got the full other side of the Spectrum which could be a full overhead mask right which is that's a process right you got I mean it's it's just like with Hollywood I mean there's no difference um and the key is when you're out on the street and you're in Disguise nobody is thinking that person's in disguise right so it's dependent upon your bearing I've seen people in Disguise who who don't pull it off well right because they they're wor like oh I'm in Disguise people are thinking I'm in Disguise nobody gives a [ __ ] everybody's worried about their own little bubble out there so it's your your body movements and your body language it's your it's your bearing how do you how do you comport yourself how do you how do you carry yourself are you confident in it and also do you understand that the vast major majority of people out there no matter where you are right fourth world country us wherever they're not thinking about it right right and I've I've had extended conversations with people in Disguise where you know they don't they don't give a [ __ ] they don't know and it's it is remarkable how good they are at at this but that that unit is fantastic did it give you like a rubber muscle suit ever no I never got a fat suit no muscle Su but I know one one of the guys I worked with he got a fat suit really yeah yeah yeah changed his weight because that's that's also one of those things where you know you you you're looking to right I mean you're just looking to alter your profile and weight is a big part of it and what does the fat suit entail is it like a a skin one where it looks real or mostly it's under your clothes right and so it's like a it's padding basically but it's quick you have to be able to do this quickly look I I've been on the streets of of you know capital cities around the world where I'm on a motorcycle and you know I've got i' got a helmet on that's a pretty good disguise but you got to get off that motorcycle at some point and walk the streets or go somewhere whatever and so you've got to be able to do these things quickly right or you're you so again not not giving away any sources or methods but I will say the disguise unit and uh Mrs Mendes who they just showed briefly uh she ran that operation to a great person and a great uh a great part of the agency and it is but it is acting right there's no different so did this is what I was going to get to did they teach you how to walk casual they teach you what to see in someone that's tense well yeah I mean you you spend a lot of time um yeah yeah you do uh that's that's a good way to put it I guess you you spend a lot of time um observing people right and and understanding and and part of that is you're trying to get a sense of um if you're trying to get a sense of whether they're lying you're watching for certain things you're watching their their body movement and the way they're behaving and the things that they're saying a lot of times they're just they're they're uh they're not consistent with what they're saying so that's not necessarily you know watching their movements but um a lot of times if you're trying to uh get on side with somebody right so if I'm if I'm trying to develop a relationship with the deputy foreign minister of whatever from some country right because they've got inside information on their nuke program then I'll spend a lot of time thinking about and watching and observing that person and eventually I'm mirroring that person's activities right so you know if you're sitting across from somebody and and and they they lean on the desk right and they they start talking to you they move in a little bit closer well I'm going to do the same thing I'm going to come in it they don't know it they don't understand it but it it makes them more comfortable right so if you start mirroring their their actions their activities that's just one of those things it's it's a it's a small part of it but it's one my bud told me that when you see people like leaning against a wall M that we see people in foreign countries leaning against a wall nine times out of 10 they're American like with leaning like one shoulder against a wall he said it's a very American thing to do like lean against doorways with one shoulder lean against a wall with one shoulder yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't make a lot of book on that I mean cuz you know it's a western thing more than just an American thing I've seen you I spent a long time in in Europe and you know Italians will lean against the wall you know Spaniards will lean against the wall but it is a western thing so you know if you're walking the streets of vlasto or wherever then you have to be aware of it it also little things like how you eat right how do you hold your fork and knife I mean it could be it could be anything that could you know um show out as a certain cultural um handle what is the way that different people hold their Fork well um you know um you know if you hold your like if you hold your knife here and you hold your fork here right and you just keep eating with this hand you don't switch the the fork over to your your dominant hand right that's an interesting take and and I mean like if you're over in the UK you see it all the time right people just kind of eating like this right pushing pushing their food onto their Fork there's 15 things that stand out Americans are known for leaning on things while standing still aha ah there's a habit the CIA even trains ah CIA trains Americans to unlearn when trained to be a spy don't worry we could still stand out on our own two feet Americans are always eating on the go one person living in Europe was asked if America if they were American because they were eating a bagel while walking hey we got to fuel up for all that small talk Americans are known for being loud and friendly and our accents are a dead giveaway yeah that okay Americans love small talk and are super friendly okay Americans are known for wanting ice in their water a habit that might seem as strange in countries where ice is not commonly consumed Americans often G people with hey how are you the greeting may be seen as too friendly or even mocking In some cultures Americans are known for leaving tips are they okay yeah yeah it's true Americans have a reputation for being confident okay even if you're walk you're walking in the wrong direction Americans are known for enjoying sweet treats for breakfast a habit that may be seen as strange in other cultures where breakfast is typically a Savory meal Americans are often seen as being obsessed with their appearance and constantly checking their appearance in mirrors it's cuz we're the [ __ ] Americans are known for wearing Tactical sunglasses [Laughter] a style that we seen as unusual in other countries okay Americans are known for saying y'all oh God Americans are known for their love of baseball caps yeah especially when worn backwards Americans in love for the the love of saying the US or America when asked if they're from even though these terms refer to the entire country Americans are known for their friendly grins when making iton okay yeah basically just a lean against the wall thing that seems odd yeah yeah uh yeah that's interesting but I yeah I've seen a lot of leaners in my time so but yeah those all those things it's good to be aware of but um you were saying with the fork and knife thing that that the Europeans keep a fork in one hand a knife or other they cut and they don't switch hands what people switch hands um I've seen that a lot here in the States where people like they'll eat you you you'll cut you'll put Town you'll te and maybe it's just because I hang around with a lot of Posh people I don't know yeah they seem like [ __ ] they'll sound like that's a I'm not saying I'm not saying they're not your left hand sucks so hard that you have to swap out you're going eat you're scared of the for left side it's considered very uh it's etiquette also you're a [ __ ] for not being able to cut your food with your left hand too both those things you make you a [ __ ] it's just a lot easier if you also if you just kind of push you're pushing around right there like that and I but then again you know you can do it if you want to eat quick you got a twoand thing a Gent Magazine here that says that that's an American style apparently to hold the fork in your dominant hand and switch yeah that's the [ __ ] of America so let's say for a steak for instance oh look there's even pictures there's pictures to explain this to us how you cut too as zigzag style or something so Fork goes back and forth now let's take a Clos look at the details this is ridiculous if actually that guy that guy holding it like a dagger looks like my boy's eating I bet that that dude's very boring in real life or a serial killer yeah or or an etiquette teacher yeah um either one so uh but the dis the disguise thing is is fascinating and I've been like I said I mean sometimes it can be very simple you you slap on I know it sounds silly you slap on a fake mustache but you're just changing your profile quickly right and and so it doesn't I will say there were times when you'd get a disguise kit and it would have a baseball cap in it you go I don't I don't think so I I think CU we're overseas and probably not a baseball cap so who's putting together these disguise kits for you it's I mean the the outfit again it's the it's the the disguise unit um and the disguise unit isn't aware of cultural differences oh no they are but I'm just saying in the old days I'm fairly old but in the old days they throw in a ball cap and you think like okay well you're giving it up here kids yeah so um but yeah hey what do I know um so is there any video of people wearing these disguises where we can see what they look like I I found another video I trying I didn't want to I want to see what it looks like yeah we see how cuz I saw one on Instagram but I don't know if it's real one wired same lady I think here she form is probably like the reporter yeah just imagine again and what are you doing you're so here's this lady they gave her a mustache they gave her some wacky hair wow that's incredible I don't know she' tricked me no what's going on that not that one's not the best one yeah it's not the best but that's then that's also then they brought up the fork and knife in the video interesting boy they love that fing holding holding a cigarette comes up in the video and then how you hold a cigarette yeah it's very quick here they just show like like the way you either between the fingers forward like that or is that American pinching it and who pinches it I don't know I've seen people here pinch it so I don't yeah then it shows a guy doing a very quick thing like people that pinch it here they probably like European music guy goes from a suit to just like taking it off putting on a hat and now he's in Disguise see it can be that simple right I mean and and particularly if you're in in in surveillance or you know or if you're doing you know counter surveillance you got to be aware of these things um did you see that I had a guest on the podcast that came with my uh friend Josh Dubin who works with uh criminal reform and getting innocent people out of jail so we had this guest that came on and then uh after he was on the show W up killing somebody cut some dude's head off and uh yes yes yes yes um and the UN surveillance footage where he tried to wear a blonde wig and walk around yeah but he didn't realiz I think he didn't realize like how good modern surveillance cameras are yeah it's like crystal clear that this dude was wearing a [ __ ] wig God yeah that was um yeah that's a hell of a story crazy story I was trying to explain that to my daughter last night this is what happened God yeah and that's that's it's interesting you know that that video that you just showed because I I I uh there's been some talk about the protests on campus right and the fact that all these all these outside agitators activists and then the students the actual students the ones that are actually affiliated with the university most of them wearing masks right right and you know part of it is I don't know it's they they're mentally ill yeah they're mentally ill it's a I I photograph people every time I see them I photograph one today yeah saw somebody walking outside with a mask on the some kind too the surgical blue stupid one yeah oh yeah that doesn't do a goddamn thing but this was I think was was a solidarity thing they're all wearing masks and part of it was also I think they were thinking they couldn't be identified and then there's a lot of talk about retinal scanning right so how much of the face do you need in order to identify people right and it's not much right retinal scanning it's not 100% accurate so there's other things you have to do so would you be able to retinal scan that lady with that crazy outfit on yeah it's just retinal scanner and then none of that [ __ ] would work the mustache which is which is and that's yeah that's a great Point glue on your face for nothing that [ __ ] is tough to take off too gross it's not good um so uh yeah and that's that's a it's a really good point because now it's made the life of of somebody who's working uh in operations a lot tougher right because of the ability of and it's got to be a country where you're operating where they've got the resources in the technology but it makes it a a [ __ ] ton tougher to get away with things right and as the ability for communications intercepts and tracking of phones and and all the other things so you know while you know it's it's always the same story right Technology's got an upside and a downside um but the the face recognition the retinal scanning um it's creating all sorts of problems from an operational perspective overseas and here of course the problem is you know people are talking about civil liberties and you know invasion of privacy and you know so you've got some students out there and they they're covered and next thing you know they're identified right now they're suspended and you know I fine you you know you not only some of them aren't getting to graduate there one girl was watching this video where they were they just told her she couldn't graduate CU she got arrested well you know what you you what do they say you play stupid games yeah you win stupid prizes yeah so they all think they're doing something great they think they're going to fix it it's it's you know a lot of misplaced energy with tents with tents yeah and with with matching tense and um and that's that's the part look I again you know hey God bless the the the actual students who are out there feeling like they're being a part of something I get that they're young people most of them are gormless right they're just saying whatever right this is you know this is their moment to shine so they're excited so they don't and they you know most of them couldn't find Gaza on a on a map of Gaza so I think that you know that's that's one side of it right and I can't you know whatever but it's the it's the coordination of it all by the various outside groups and the activists and the funding of it right and the potential for that funding and the coordination to tie back to groups like Hamas or Hezbollah which basically means you're tying back to the Iranian regime right because they that's the only reason those groups exist but nobody seems curious about that because a lot of the media wanted to portray this as just like kids being kids oh look at this is their moment to shine as as student activists and isn't it wonderful and it's their Vietnam protests and and [ __ ] some of it okay fine so it's layered right right so some of that's true you got those kids that are just doing that but there there's the incuriosity of the media to say well what the hell's behind this right and what groups is it is it uh you know students for justice in Palestine is it um you know us campaign for Palestinian rights Sammy Dune right which has connections back to Hamas um there's the education for whatever just peace in the Middle East there's groups that have been actively engaging in this and that's why you get the coordination of all of this right it's but nobody asks okay what's behind it h just students act no it's not it's it's a coordinated effort and then you look at those groups who are always active in this in this realm right and always looking to uh have organizations disinvest from uh Israel or to uh you know uh promote causes that are anti-israeli right and then you say okay well who's funding it right so you look at these groups and you say okay where's the money coming from and the money is always coming from the same places right the the tidde center right which is part of the tides Network which gets significant funding no surprise from soros's uh open Society Foundation um you get uh Westchester people's whatever Action Coalition um so you get these groups and you get the legal support so all these people the activists who are getting arrested they can turn to Palestine legal which provides legal support to the activists and the NOS that are engaged in all this again you get they're getting their money from Charities a lot of times the Charities don't know they're putting money into these groups right it goes into the Rockefeller Brothers fund right and the Rockefeller Brothers fund provides money to these NOS you know like justice for you know Palestine or whatever and then uh and and Rockefeller Brothers gets you know funding from uh Soros open Society Foundation as well that guy bit of a problem right well yeah and now his kid is even more an activist than George is right kid is yeah kid inherited it kid inherited it make up for the fact that he inherited it by being extra woke yeah and and he is and extra guilty God for having all those billions you should feel guilty you little [ __ ] yeah exactly God how can you live with yourself young Soros that what you're talking about though is a very important point that this is not organic and that this is this is what I was going to get to earlier when I was talking about social media what how much do you think foreign governments have an influence on certain Trends and certain things that people are talking and promoting and pushing and being a part of on social media because I think it's a I think it's a big factor I think it's a big factor with a lot of things and I I think it's a big factor with all this the most insane woke [ __ ] I think they push it as far as they can so that the stuff that's not as insane that was insane just a couple years ago seems less insane now it seems more palatable and then they just keep moving the goal post I think you can do that through social media with kids you can kind of engineer what kids accept oh 100% And and the the answer is you know how much do they do they do a tremendous amount right look um the Iranian regime nobody's happier with these protests on campuses than the Iranian regime right and they've even come out the foreign minister um kamini himself right the ayatola came out on his official X page yeah who knew and praises the protesters they talk about the oppression that the and the violent tactics of the police right and suppressing protests which is which is crazy when you think about what the Iranian regime has done to anybody who dares protest inside Iran yeah they they executed world champion wrestler over there yeah they that constantly right and they're they're they're trampling of All rights not just women's rights everybody's rights right so so it's [ __ ] but people you know I don't know people buy it I don't they have a peripheral understanding of the workings yeah so the inner workings of all this stuff but then the Russians and the Chinese they're all taking advantage of this as well right Chinese Bots have been out there trolling around and and promoting um the chaos right if you were to switch on uh Television right in in Moscow or in Tyron or or in Beijing you'll get a lot of coverage of these campus protests right this is this is ideal for them it's exactly what they want and it feeds into their larger Nar of trying to um discredit democracy and say what a what a losing system it is right capitalism and so you know but but again people are incurious they're busy they're trying to just do their lives whatever they're not taking the time to sit and think where am I getting my information from what's the validity of this information and if they don't do that you know then to your earlier Point yeah we're [ __ ] yeah because it comes down to individual responsibility you got to focus on where your information is coming com from and you know right now um you know you could argue I mean that the the whether it's the face swapping techniques whether it's AI that that can mimic and whether it's for criminal purposes or whether it's for state sponsored efforts to try to to to uh put the knife in into the American system or or the West um you know we are it's it's democratized misinformation right it's made it so that everybody can engage in it not just State sponsors but everybody because all those apps are out out there all the abilities out there and you've got an incurious public for the most part that that doesn't take the time and an uninformed public they did most of them are not even aware that there's foreign elements that have an influence on our culture yeah which is we which is shocking if you think about it it's shocking but so few people are aware of anything other than what's going on in their own life and what's going on at work well life is messy and it's tough and you're trying to raise kids and and you know you're trying to put food on the table you don't have time and I talked to some of my friends about this stuff eyes glaze over yeah they don't even want to know I'm busy bro yeah but you know what it does I mean look look at the state of look how dysfunctional we are right now right I mean this is this is remarkable you know times and again everybody wants to think it's always the worst time right it's not the worst time right we've had worst times Civil War I think was pretty bad um you know so we've had more dysfunction I suppose at times but the technology speeds it along right and and and you know we just have more people so the the potential for more of a [ __ ] show is there but um that is ultimately when people always talk about well how do you how do you you can't you can't just use detection you can't be on the defensive all the time trying to identify okay that's fake that's fake that's fake right you got to rely on people right to say uh you know what I'm not going to buy everything I read right I'm going to pay attention and I'm going to think about it a little bit and I'm going to I'm going to chill the [ __ ] out and but it's not it's not in human nature apparently right now so yeah we've got a problem and those Nations particularly Iran China and Russia are having a field day right now right this is we we are making it very easy for them and think about it we got the [ __ ] election coming up in November yeah so think about what that means in terms of disinformation and it's yeah it's it's remarkable I we I we live in a very interesting time uh I think we're going to be fine it's a very resilient environment I suppose but so I try to be positive but it's FR with Peril yeah yeah yeah let me ask you this from a perspective of someone kind of understands all these different influences and all the things that are happening in these universities what can be done to sort of like unwind some of this [ __ ] if anything at this point I mean are we just going to operate from here on out with this understanding that our kids get indoctrinated to this Preposterous ridiculous way of thinking where they're taught these Marxist leninist ideas as if they make any [ __ ] sense and they've ever worked anywhere and if they don't always lead to totalitarian authoritative governments that take over and enforce all these socialist policies which is a [ __ ] nightmare that happens in every single regime when they go socialism yeah so how what can be done to S sort of like unwind some of this [ __ ] in colleges and balance it out a little bit like there's nothing wrong with having ridiculous ideas as long as those ridiculous ideas can be challenged but if you're the only one that gets to talk and you just indoctrinate these kids and no one comes along and says hey you've never even functioned in the [ __ ] real world like this [ __ ] that you're teaching these kids unless they go into Academia they're [ __ ] yeah or you're going to ruin corporations with this ideology because it just it doesn't jive with capitalism it doesn't jive with and oh yeah we got to tear capitalism down okay well then what you [ __ ] idiots then no one has any incentive to get anything done well that's great for you because you've never done anything yeah so you think all these people that did things even if you don't agree with them even if it's Bill Gates he still built that [ __ ] company that's his he did it do you want to be that guy then go do what he did if you don't like what he did then you you can talk about it you can protest but the idea that you should everyone should have to give all their money away and there should be no billionaires and there should be no capitalism and all the money goes into and then who who's in charge and who gets to tell you what you can do and not do who gets to tell you you can't have your money anymore who gets to take your house away cuz it's too big shut the [ __ ] up this is like so shortsighted and so stupid that it's so hard for me to believe that it's being taught in universities right or or the the idea now what they're saying like you got a big house you got a couple extra rooms you know what you should do yeah taking these [ __ ] migrants murderers yeah that we haven't we haven't bothered that guy with 13 T dude on his forehead bring him in he's fine he's a nice guy he's trying to clean his life up that's why he walked here yeah and the border is fine don't worry about it it's all good it's fine it's only like 20% Chinese Nationals that are of military age no this the Staggering number The Staggering number of Chinese have come across the border in the past six months it's wild yeah it is it is fascinating because you think what accounts for that increase they want to learn MMA yeah these are the best gyms a lot of even the Chinese Champions that come over here to train really yeah I know so maybe that accounts for what 20,000 of the 26,000 30 of them yeah 30 30 of those guys are future MMA Stars future UFC stars but I I mean you look at the universities and think yeah University is supposed to be a place where you exchange ideas so that's great you want to talk about it you want to have classes in in in in Marxism or whatever you want to talk that's great but you you're right you need to have that discourse you need to be you know I again I keep reverting back to the examples of the you know real world and and from my own experience you know my daughter went to undergrad in grad school and she kept her mouth shut for most of that time right six years because she always knew as she said there was no upside to her arguing in class right you know and she's a Centrist right she's and that but that's not popular either right you can't be a Centrist on campus no because you can't say there's good ideas on both sides say [ __ ] that there or not terrible so yeah so she she went through school and that's that's a terrible thought yeah right particularly when you're paying for it but she's she worked out fine she's great but she and she understood the joke right she got the joke but it shouldn't be there right you shouldn't have to decipher that for four years you didn't have to like oh let me put this through the [ __ ] filter right okay let me just get through this class and figure out what's applicable and what I need for my degree yeah but unless you know I do think there's there's some bounce back on on the corporate side with Dei for example right I think there are a number of companies out there just as with the sort of the climate you know change you know I've watched I watched oil companies like do this complete left turn saying we're going to you know we're going to make a over half of our revenues from Green energy in the future near future like a couple years from now and you think like it's not going to happen but they have to play that game for a while and then they come back and go it's not going to happen so you know what we're doing we're investing in all of this [ __ ] including fossil fuels so I think that whether it's that or whether it's the kind of the push back on Dei from corporations that are saying um you know maybe it is a grift right maybe you got all these Dei grifters out there and they got it it's a cottage industry they can make a lot of money off of this [ __ ] got a lot of government grants and all this things so but I think there's some push back universities I think are a tougher issue yeah right um I don't think unless unless parents and kids just say I'm not going to that [ __ ] I mean look have you seen some of these kids at these supposedly Elite universities talk how the [ __ ] did they get into these universities cuz they must have passed the application process some kids are just really bad at talking they're school so you think that's what it is yeah yeah could be could be well I I think you know you you basically have to just memorize what they're teaching you and that's that doesn't require a lot of critical thinking and then when you have to think on your own and say what does from the river to the sea mean yeah what river are we talking about do that mean yeah what sea are we talking about and what does that mean what happens to the Jews that live there where do they go they go back to Germany like what are you saying that's an interesting um it's an interesting phrase I will say that you know it you talk about Kamas and and the Israeli conflict now and it's I mean there's there's a Minefield here actually one of my one of my managing directors for uh for my company Portman Square group for all your information and security needs thank you um one of the managing directors said knew that I was I was going to sit back down with you and they said look I know you're probably going to want to talk about Hamas is there any way you can do it right without pissing off people and that's that's cute yeah I know that's what I thought right so you want me to talk about the Israeli you know Palestinian issue without upsetting somebody yeah I don't think and she's a brilliant person but I don't I don't think that's going to happen but I will say it is it's obviously it's complex but it's complex in part because it's not absolute right and and everybody talks in absolutes when it comes to this right it's it's it's hamas's and it's a pales Hamas is a terrorist organization so [ __ ] them but it's the Palestinian problem or it's the Israeli problem you know what if you look at their history right there's problems on both sides right and no and and yet we talk about it like it's black and white one or the other right and you we're never going to this problem's never probably going to get solved in our lifetimes anyway but it is it is disturbing when you hear some of the kids the actual students I mean try to explain what this is right and what this problem is and and talk to me about The River To The Sea which again you can say that phrase you know in in in in 10 different circumstances it's going to mean 10 different things to 10 different people right um and that's legitimate you have to understand that that's okay I get it the Israelis view that as like you're you're talking for a destruction genocide of of Israelis right because that that's a destruction of a group right not not a war crime or something not crime against humanity genocide is your intent is to destroy the group right and so they they they'll see that Palestinians some Palestinians not Hamas Hamas has it in their Charter they know what river to the Sea means right it's it's you know it's taking over that entire territory and you know [ __ ] Israelis but Palestinians can say it and it means something else it's a yearning for whatever freedom for a Homeland so there are variances in it but that never gets discussed sometimes because people are just screaming at each other like every other [ __ ] subject out there right that that is the issue right yeah and and then of course when you are on a college campus and all this is being encouraged by these groups that are funded yes then you seem like if you want to be a good person you have to be a part of this group you have to go there and be a part of this protest and we see a lot of that yeah but they're just there because they're they think they're supposed to be a good person to be there and they want to make all their friends think they're a good person they're carrying around signs and yelling out these things got the kefon and they're like hey look at me I'm I'm in the encampment I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm doing here but meanwhile it is a fascinating time if they allow debates because if you could see a pro-israeli and uh a pro Palestinian debate like a real legitimate honest intellectual debate And discussing all the various issues like from the beginning of the formation of Israel to back in the history of the land and then what's going on today all the treaties all the different things that have happened all the different peace talks that would be a fascinating opportunity for people to hear both sides of this conflict and and try to get a better understanding of it instead of just running out there with signs and camping on the lawn like universities and these places of higher education are supposed to be where these difficult conversations get sorted out exact because you're supposed to have the smartest Minds and to bring in the smartest Minds from either side there's brilliant people that are pro-israeli and brilliant people that are pro Palestine they're brilliant and if you can get them together and have them sort out your details all the people in the audience can get a better more informed understanding of how complex this conflict is and that is supposed to be what universities are for that's what it should be it should be a place where people can sit down and learn something about something very difficult which is international conflict these crazy moments in history where we get entwined with military conflicts that are happening all over the world and it's nowhere near you and it's it's complicated [ __ ] man and to just run out there with a sign because these [ __ ] are organizing this on campus if it messes everything up it messes up everybody and to have like only one sides perspective her messes up everybody the whole thing's a mess man well I think that the the students for the most part again the actual students who have an affiliation with the universities um look you know the pal the the the pramas groups the uh Pro Palestinian activists they tend to view the students I believe as essentially U useful idiots right window dressing um and it gives it a sort of a veneer of of as you'd point out before sort of this organic Grassroots movement that's sweeping the nation when in fact there's this underlying infrastructure that's always out there trying to take advantage of opportunities like this and the chaos and then aside from that then You' got this other 30,000 foot problem where you've got the Iranian regime and others who are promoting this and pushing for it look you know Hezbollah Hamas they've got they got a lot of money right they they they they have again not not to disappear on a rabbit hole but the leaders of of Hamas are extremely wealthy right um you know ish h and and marzuk and and uh michall and the other cats you know um they have billions of dollars right because for years people say well how could that be possible well for billion for years and years now they have been receiving uh a great deal of money conservative estimates from you know from from Iranian regime Kamas gets maybe a quarter billion a year right cutter it appears gives them even more than that there have been years when they've given about 400 million to Hamas for for a variety of reasons right ostensibly and and part of that money coming from cter is is by agreement with Israel right because part of it is for over the years the idea that you're buying quiet buying peace right and so yes and and so there was a process in place to try to track that money right that came in just same with the Palestinian Authority from over in the West Bank but that's a lot of money right not to mention even the the money going to unra right and this is s the same situation with Ukraine too right we don't really know where it all goes and some of it definitely goes Pockets into yeah AB there was a guy did you see that guy I forget what what his position is in um Ukraine but he's driving around in a rollsroyce this [ __ ] $600,000 in he's driving around in a house he's driving around in a house he's got aoll a [ __ ] rollsroyce and he's got the only Rolls-Royce in Ukraine this one whatever it is is it a spectre is that what it is is it a phantom maybe it's a phantom I'm Google well you got I mean it's a [ __ ] dope car though and that's been but isn't it crazy it's like the scene in Good Fellas where the guy has the Cadillac he goes what what the [ __ ] what are you doing with didn't I tell you told you [ __ ] told you it was a great scene what a great scene god um yeah it's you got a video that dude driving around in his rollsroyce I got before before I F too far was it that car um I don't know AR was saying this is false claim but this was a yearo no no this is a real recent one driving around but it might be fake that might be fake too it all might be fake um Ukraine politician Ukraine politician Rolls-Royce WR that right in Google politician crane Rolls-Royce politician cuz this mm videos go to videos oh was I was news fake BBC news clip Ukraine's ex Army from a month ago yeah X army Chief paid to leave Ukraine now that's not it that's a different clip but this is but this is a good example right I mean you you really got to dig Ukraine protesters discover L luxury cars allegedly belonging to president's son 10 years that's 10 years ago oh that's nothing listen 2014 when the [ __ ] coup happened well Ukraine has always had problems with corruption corruption yeah yeah but I for I forget what this guy's position was but he was driving around it's not Russell Brand some guy I had no idea Russ Ukrainian is this it Rolls-Royce Spectre that's it 600,000 ukra politician paid with us EUR look at his [ __ ] car look at that car sweet look at that car that's it that's the video bro that's a house that guy's driving around a house God damn it is he driving it himself I wonder of course he is that's a bold move right there of course he is that's a beautiful car you're not going to let it you [ __ ] idiot drive that car you stole that money hard work well and that's that's again yeah when you talk about like where we're talking about money that goes to um to the Palestinian cause and gets filtered through Hamas and that's they've been able to carve off billions of dollars for themselves they're living big lives in in Cutter and turkey but uh part of the problem with Ukraine has been you know in terms of well they've got they got big issues right one of them has been explaining why it's important to the American people right the the the Administration hasn't really accomplished that uh yet right and trying to say why are we doing this right they should have been did you see them wave their Flags in Congress yeah well they waved the Ukrainian Flags I don't know what you're saying they they explained it they explained it here we go yeah but you remember at the very beginning everybody had a Ukrainian flag on there front of their house see it in Congress and they passing that Aid bill it's like who handed those out yeah where'd you get those well exactly did you guys get those from home yeah who's telling you who's telling you to wave those got them from Amazon this whole thing seems coordinated you want to tell me about how this happened plus also where's the money go that's the other big issue is the transparency and how are we spending this money how are we spending your money a taxpayer's money and look I fall down on the side of uh I don't want to see Putin win and he will win you know without significant support that gets to the point where he feels so much pain he actually negotiates a settlement right we're not going to get to a victory in this war that's [ __ ] the idea that Ukraine is going to win the war and claim all their territory [ __ ] it's not going to happen you think they're going to reclaim Crimea Putin's going to give that up right he'll probably go to tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield before he does that right and so you've got you've got to get but you've got to you got to hurt him enough so that he says oh [ __ ] it okay because if he's hurt enough that means at home he's facing some descent right and that's the big thing for him he doesn't you know he just wants to hold on to power right he want I hear two versions of what's going on I hear the war has already been won by Russia and Ukraine is down to like a minimum amount of soldiers they've lost half a million people rough estimates like no one really knows what the real estimates are yeah and then I've heard other stories where Ukraine is actually doing much better than people think and Russia has hemorrhaged people because they're essentially just sending people into the front line they sending prisoners they're and they're just using bodies to win this and that well both sides are are accurate both sides are true right so yeah Ukraine is is has been hurting they have a they have a what Russia's got a 3 to1 Manpower advantage in terms of population right what they can what they can do to recruit and put more people on the on the battlefield and Russia has a no problem with sort of a meat grinder strategy right just throw bodies at it right just and the stats on fatalities on casualties on both sides are completely [ __ ] there's no transparency really and it's kind of understandable why you don't want to tell the other side how many sold you've lost or injured um zilinsky came out a while back and said you know we've suffered 31,000 you know fatalities on the battlefield it's it's higher than that and and it's higher on on the Russian side right because of their strategy and the way they just they you know Putin doesn't really care so he throws bodies at it um the Russians are making Headway on the East right and they are making an effort to push through those Frontline defenses that Ukraine has up on the Eastern side of Ukraine and you know the lack of armaments the lack of Munitions while Congress and the US couldn't figure out what they wanted to do that was a decided problem for Ukraine right if that continued then yeah Russia will win they will push through and they will eventually end up in keev and look Putin's already engaged in in Shenanigans in in mova uh in Georgia right he's he's they're working very hard behind the scenes in Georgia right to uh to split Georgia away from the EU right and that's because they're worried that Georgia could eventually you know be part of the European Union and they don't want that and so they're engaged in all sorts of activity there off the radar which they do very well right what does that mean well disinformation and political uh influence campaigns um instilling Personnel that are that are there's a a party there in Georgia the Georgian Dream party or something that that's that's Pro Kremlin and they're pushing very hard on a iety of fronts right they're pushing a bill that's sort of like a foreign agent bill which is it part of it's a Russian tactic right to um basically you know single out anybody who's got uh foreign influence or foreign uh involvement and that could be NOS it could be media Independent Media uh and the Russians have used that foreign agent Bill very successfully um so yeah but but I my point is that it it depends on your on your thought process if you think that no okay Putin takes Ukraine who gives a [ __ ] right that's all that's all it's going to happen he's not going to try to reconstitute the former Soviet Union in some fashion by going after a couple other states right he wants a buffer zone with the West which is what the Soviet Union was right he wants to rebuild that in some fashion not the same right but in some fashion so my experiences and and other people's are different and so that's why you end up with differing opinions and you know God Bless but you know mine is that he's not going to stop there so what my my belief is you got to hurt him enough get him to the table and call it good and that good may look a lot like the way things were you know and in 2022 when they started the invasion and that's going to be unsatisfying to a lot of people but at least you end the [ __ ] conflict right and and fine that's where but I think that's where this goes the idea that you know the only the only outright winner will be Putin if we back off and say we're not going to provide you with certain Armament certain weapons to allow you to inflict enough pain to stop this and it's this is a a incredibly complex and dynamic environment because the US is the White House the the Biden Administration is pushing very hard on zalinski to not uh attack any Targets inside of Russia right the Ukrainian military is like well [ __ ] it why aren't we attacking Russian oil refineries right and energy infrastructure like the Russians are doing inside Ukraine that's been a tactic of the Russian military for quite some time now right and you just because it it impacts morale of the population it demoralizes people so the Ukrainian military is saying do that the White House is saying no we don't want to escalate so don't do that right now the other side of that coin is if you [ __ ] over the Russian energy infrastructure what does that do to oil prices around the world and what does it do to gas prices at the pump when you're in an election year I I want I don't want to I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist boy but but then you got the and you know mron is over there saying well you know if Kei asks we you know I can see putting French troops on the ground in Ukraine he's trying to distract from the fact that his wife's a man [Laughter] right I like that no it's that is the wildest one ever heard the fact that Candace own is like I stake my reputation on this like are you [ __ ] and sure yeah yeah is this where you want to go is this is this how you want to be known I'm so confused by that one God I've tried I've tried to look into that one I really have and to my own embarrassment I've looked into it yeah my point is like this person this woman that he's married to even even even I can't believe it even if it's a man yeah the real problem is they had a relationship when mcon was 15 yeah and she was 39 that by itself is wild yeah because if it was the opposite if it was a 39-year-old man who was a teacher and a 15-year-old girl was a student this would be horrific everybody would be up in arms well I the greatest line about that is uh what was his name burles scone right the the old Italian uh U prime minister someone asked him what he thought of of uh macron's wife and he says well he's got a good-look mum doesn't he so anyway uh but the very was this the guy oh well no so I did a little research MP this is the story that came out was this was that this guy bought this super dope he looks like a dude to be driving around rollsroyce look the story is he's super rich guy has a bunch of dope cars but I found they post on what nine gag which is like have many dope cars they found the VIN number and the VIN number was is to a a car from last year so I don't know that it makes maybe that makes sense that what do you mean this is the plate the plate numbers to a car from last year and this store was saying that it's for a new like a brand new car it's the yeah but those are hard to get the first electric Spector and yeah yeah yeah but those are hard to get like you there's 20 20 23s that are for sale right now like you don't it's like like when I got a if if you go looking for one like I got a Nissan a GTR I had to get a 2023 2024's weren't available like when I got it so that could be you get a Nismo it's if you get one of those Rolls-Royce spectrums those are [ __ ] hard to get dude and a brand new one that's a 2023 with zero miles on it could be what you're buying new and I'll tell you one thing this guy could have you know he could have carved this money out corruptly from a variety of sources over the years right so this is ways to mix the money yeah that's they bottom line is I get [ __ ] with M car look at this car that's a really good accent good accent this is basically your house you know with the right this is multiple of your house with the right to Skies you could walk the streets of of Ukraine I can be Ukrainian wrestler give me a cauliflower ear I walk around like I'm in a hunch like I'm ready to shoot a double like you're in a hunch yeah yeah um um I think that uh there there's definitely a lot of corruption over there and to deny that I'm sure you saw saw that one thing where Candace was going back and forth with the New York Times when they were saying what evidence do you have of Ukraine being corrupt she's like oh you mean your [ __ ] newspaper stupid yeah and she said these these different articles about the rampant corruption in Ukraine it's been I it's decades right and we've known that and we've known that and and but anywhere you've got you know vast sums of money coming in for a variety of reasons which is again I'm always astounded when people say oh there's no way that that uh that the three top leaders of Hamas are are you know worth 11 billion collectively I like okay well even if it you take a tenth of that and you think about these guys running Hamas which supposedly I mean they've been governing since what 2007 2006 um supposedly for the benefit of the Palestinian people and they're sitting on billions of dollars and you think and so that's why you know [ __ ] him us and and I understand the Israeli perspective which is we can't allow them to retain control I get that right I understand that operational perspective right the problem is that you're you know you're you're not going to win The Narrative you're not going to win what's happening on the international stage and sometimes you know sometimes the Israeli government can act like they don't understand how public relations plays out right I me this this like look at the past couple of days what's happened so uh Hamas wasn't going to accept the ceasefire Hamas has turned down opportunities for a ceasefire right they just and the okay and then they say okay the other day uh 48 hours ago whatever they said we're going to walk away from the negotiating table [ __ ] that right knowing knowing that Israel is is ready to do some you know limited operations in Rafa so because they're not stupid they've got a very good intelligence Network right and they they've got a lot of and so they understand what Israel is about to do right they say we're walking away from the negotiating table Israel says okay fine everybody you know evacuate Eastern Rafa you know we we're going to engage in some targeted strikes against Hamas targets that we've identified um Hamas turns around shortly there after and says Ah we accept a peace proposal a ceasefire proposal from Egypt and cutter right so look at us we're accepting a ceasefire proposal and Israel is moving on Rafa right that's a you know on one hand that's a brilliant communication strategy right now you've won the day on the international stage and and exactly what they knew would happen just like what they knew would happen after the seven October strikes they knew knew what was going to happen they knew that civilians were going to die right they understood that and and again everybody's got their own opinion minus Hamas doesn't give a [ __ ] about dead Palestinians fact that's their currency that's how they that that's how they work the game and so they understood what was going to happen Israel was in a bind they got to respond they're in an urban environment it is [ __ ] up right and too many people have died right um I don't necessarily believe the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry in terms of their statistics and also they don't separate out how many you know how many combatant were killed right they just like oh 34,000 people have died so people imagine oh my God 34,000 civilians well thousands and thousands of those people are Fighters or homas Fighters right again it's horrible I'm not saying it's not it's awful right and both sides have have are problematic here but what I am saying is Hamas has a much better Communications public relations oper a so they knew what Israel was about to do they claim oh we accept the ceasefire the ceasefire was completely uh different from what had been presented you know by Israel and to Israel right just during the past 48 hours they say no this this thing is not what we've been talking about we don't accept it so now they've moved in on Rafa and they've lost yet again the narrative on the world stage so now it's now they're the ones who are are causing problems yeah anyway so it's it's kind of [ __ ] but the again the point is is also when all that money is sosing around of course you're going to have people who are benefiting from it and in this case it's it's people like you know Hane who you know can sit and cutter you know with with with all that money and what are they worried about they're worried about losing a revenue stream right they know that if Hamas is destroyed you think Iran's going to continue giving them a quarter billion dollars a year or Cutters going to allow them to live this lavish lifestyle and give them money or they're going to continue to be able to you know extract uh taxes from money coming in or from Goods coming in to Gaza you know or or put tariffs on things coming in you know to the tunnels the Contraband no so in part it's just it never changes right where there's situations like this whether it's there whether it's Ukraine or wherever yeah you're going to you're going to get this right you're going to get this level of corruption and so I'm not surprised at all when when people are worried about or concerned about what's going on with Ukraine and we give them another $61 billion and how much is that is it in Up In Pockets but I'd argue that that's part of the problem that the the government the US government has faced they haven't done their job they haven't provided as much transparency as possible and accountability to the American public and so you lose the support of the American public who had been just two years ago waving their [ __ ] flags and putting Ukrainian flags on their Twitter sites and all the rest of that [ __ ] yeah anyway what do you think happens to Gaza if you had a guess um look this you go back to the Romans right putting down you know a Jewish Uprising in Judea which is essentially Jerusalem area right West Bank you know they call it the West Bank now and you know Israeli still call it Judea um do I think the problem's going to be solved no um in the short term will the conflict end yes um but then what happens to all that area that's been destroyed they're going to have to rebuild it right and that's who rebuilds well they've been they've been trying to put together an Arab states Coalition right of of countries that would then be responsible for a couple of things the rebuilding of the infrastructure and also uh security right because again no ceasefire no permanent ceasefire is going to be accepted that allows Hamas to be the governing Authority there right so the US has been pushing very hard uh to have uh the Palestinian Authority right run by m BOS who's been in charge of the Palestinian Authority for God 20 years now and he's not popular in in Gaza right they were they were kicked out I mean they were well there's a there's been a a rift with uh the Palestinian groups factions for some time you go back to when was the pl PL was PL was started in like early 70s right um yaser Arafat remember him looked a lot like Ringo Star and they were never photographed together so I still think there's something there I was going to investigate that on the like season of black files small mustache yeah costume they looked a lot alike look similar I would be able to tell if they were in a room together yeah but but they never were is my point why would he be the [ __ ] you doing hanging out with yazer arat Arafat was a he he loved music um who doesn't who doesn't God The Beatles were great but anyway um so yasat PLO gets put together see what I'm talking about yeah but his nose Ringo's nose is clear he's more Arab he looks more like yaser aat than yaser aat does doesn't he doesn't he maybe we're on to something here I mean come on dog this is what but you see what I'm talking about look look pretty [ __ ] similar you changed the sunglasses yeah just nice little CIA disguise but yasu could not play the drums the way Ringo plays Dr play dumb maybe played maybe didn't want to throw everybody off two of my boys the oldest uh scooter and the youngest Mugsy they they play drums they play drums for a long time they're very good both of them um Mugsy in particular loves the Beatles right and and he'll tell you he said Ringo is completely underrated as a drummer right a and you know not in the drumming World they all know he he's great but in the music world he's kind of underrated period as an important part of the Beatles I never understood why they decided that guy sucks yeah yeah yeah what the hell what the hell he was one of the Beatles come on [ __ ] wrong with you he married Barbara Bach what do you want yeah he did well he did well um she's not to Katherine Bach is she do I sound like an idiot if I say who's Katherine Bach from The Dukes of Hazard Daisy Duke dude that was Catherine Bach yeah see bro she's she [ __ ] hot as the sun son what was the other guy what was it there was like cter Cooter and sker and Bo and Luke Duke and then there was Rosco P cold train he was the sheriff yeah remember him yeah Rosco be c train and then there was uh cter ran the garage damn it I knew there was a cooter in there and then there was uh Boss Hog that's right godog was the man they don't make TV like that anymore no you can't even show that show anymore because of the Confederate flag on the roof of the general Le they have to blur that out yeah they blur it out now yeah no you're right how do they do they handle that did they cji that now so you can still watch that show cuz I there's show is that what they do yeah I think so CU there's car shows where you can't go if you got a General Lee cuz if you have a real like they used to do the 01 on the side yeah see that's what it used to look like that's right Amazon considers pulling Dukes a hazard from video because of the Confederate flag but didn't they didn't they CGI out the Confederate flag for the show CGI out Confederate flag C gii remove flag yeah Google remove flag remove flag consumer products divisions decided to cease licensing replicas of Duke of Hazard gener Lee okay that makes sense yeah remove the flag Warner Brothers announces removal of Confederate flag from The Dukes of Hazard they be removing it oh from all merchandise not on the show not on the old video they sold up until eight years ago they sold Confederate flags you know what they could do is they could they could if they want to renew the license on that thing they just put an lgbtq plus whatever flag on top of there it is kind of TV land pulls Dukes of Hazard amid Confederate flag I heard that they were going to put it back up and CGI the flag off I like the people are apparently have enough time on their hands to worry about this [ __ ] I think they like you know what offends me that's [ __ ] General Lee it's kind of bizarre how they didn't think that was offensive in the 80s right right there's a lot of shows you couldn't remember uh starski and Hutch remember Huggy Bear the uh the the I think he was a pimp on on starski and Hutch you couldn't get away with that [ __ ] anymore oh that's right bear hug Bear yeah um so anyway moving back to the pl uh so back then part of the part of the rift between uh the Palestinian Authority and uh and Hamas is Hamas was came out of the first in inata in like 80 whatever ' 87 but um they took exception with yaser aat because he uh basically denounced violence right as a as a way to attain you know the Palestinian objectives and goals and everything he was like okay and he you know remember he was he was involved in signing some Peace Accords in Madrid and Oso Accords and everything so so Hamas you know in their Charter basically is like no Jihad is the way to go violence is the way that we're going to you know it's Liberation not negotiation they have all these sayings in their Charter right about this and so anyway so there's but there have been problems and and eventually they had an election in um in uh what the H what year was at 2006 I think in Gaza right and fat yasu errat's party the old PLO party um um was up and was expected to win didn't win Hamas won uh and during the course of the next year they actually got into a war right uh between Hamas and and and PLO or Palestinian Authority and uh Hamas booted them out so they they govern so when you think about Palestine or the Palestinian you know state or whatever it is you've actually got two completely separ entities you've got Gaza run by um uh Kamas and you've got the West Bank right run by mmud abas and the Palestinian Authority so and is the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank are they popular there uh yeah they're popular enough yeah yeah they're they're they're popular they continue to to govern right they continue to be in charge they hav beened Israeli objective that the Palestinian Authority control all of Palestine no they don't see that's that's where it comes in the US uh secretary blankin and other have been pushing this idea that somehow the Palestinian Authority will will be the governing body in in Gaza um and uh you know gazin look they don't they don't necessarily you know they don't want that he's actually less popular Mahmud abas is less popular now than he was even before the 7 October attacks and Israel is saying no look you know abas and and the Palestinian Authority they haven't even denounce the attacks of 7 October right we don't we don't want them it's it's like in their mind it's almost like just Trading one for the other right if they're the governing Authority so I think when you say what it's going to look like um you know it's probably going to be and and Israel said we don't want to occupy this [ __ ] they stopped occupying Gaza in 2005 right they were like you know done now they still controlled the border and they they controlled the coastline right uh and the the one Crossing there's basically two Crossings there um Kem Shalom Crossing uh with Israel and in Gaza then there's a Rafa Crossing um but you know they're saying no we don't want them governing so it it it could end up looking like a some type of un Arab states type of Coalition right that then is there and they're responsible for security of Gaza and they're responsible for you know the rebuilding effort um but he has a long ways to go right to get there um so so Israel is not trying to take over Gaza they don't want it yeah they got look you have to go by kind leveled it they kind of leveled it yeah they I mean there's look and and people cry genocide you know they're saying genocide you can debate the you know the meaning of genocide but typically and in terms of of Academia and you know people that talk about these things you know you've got war crimes you got crimes against humanity you've got genocide and they all mean different things right um Israel wants to destroy Hamas right there you have to ask yourself is there intent to destroy all Palestinian people as a group to just get rid of them is it like what they tried to do with the Armenians all those years ago or um you know the German effort against the the Jews I mean is that is that what they intend to get to to make this group disappear or is there intent to destroy Hamas a terrorist organization um that has been attacking them and continues to attack them and it's in their Charter because it's in the Iranian regime's objective and in their mind is to remove Israel You could argue what Iranian regime wants to do is genocide right they want to remove Israel right that's pretty much the definition of genocide so again it depends on how you but there's obviously a disproportionate amount of military power um well yes again between the two of course yeah yeah and but you have to say okay are we are we lumping Hamas into the the Iranian proxy Network they built a belt of terrorist organizations right whether it's Islamic Jihad Palestinian Islamic Jihad or Hamas or the hutis or the hollah of North they've created this network of proxies designed with the objective of removing Israel at some point right because that's the state purpose of the Iranian regime they you know they want the destruction of Israel so you know you could argue well look all of that together that's the military power or is it just this one group now you know in a in in a in a in a confined sense yes of course Israel's got far more military power than Hamas as an organization right um and again it doesn't you know it's not it's it's not one thing or the other it's horrible what the Palestinian civilians go through and have been going through you could also argue that Hamas knows exactly what they were going to go through when they when they instituted they instigated the attacks they did get support and training from the Iranian regime so the Iranian regime knew what was going to happen right so what do you think the stated per what is the purpose of the attacks the attacks are not just to kill those 12200 people no uh it's not no you're absolutely right and and and part of it is uh tied to the desire to uh Scuttle the Abraham Accords and the potential normalization of of uh of relations between Saudis and Israel that really worries them right and is Hane right um came out ahead of the political wing of Hamas came out after the attacks and talked about this and said glorified the attacks and also said that look this you know people our Arab Brothers our Arab states should realize that Israel is not um you know is is not uh you will have no peace basically with negotiations and with relationships so he was clear in the way that he put it that you know he was sending a message to the Arab states about this idea of normalizing relations with Israel so uh that was part of it part of the desire was to was to tank those discussions which were pretty well underway right and now are back again right they they they kind of took them off the table for a while but the Saudis and and the US uh have been having some uh pretty good discussions recently over the normalization of all of this right and I think it's in the Arab states you know look Bahrain and and uh Morocco and and others all understand too that long-term stability down the road is going to come from normalization of relationships and some long-term ability to have peace um which is part of the problem look they don't want you know they that's why they don't take Palestinian you know um they're they're worried about the the Palestinian refugees right uh you say well why doesn't Egypt just open up the crossing and set up a refugee camp across the the way from the Rafa Crossing well in part because they're worried about their own security Egypt's been building a big wall they've been adding to their wall down along their border with Gaza Strip so you know there look they they formed the PLO Egypt was in charge of the PLO all those years ago back in the early 70s right um you know they were essentially the leaders they put in place in the PLO all those years ago were basically just puppets for Egypt right and part of the reason why they were putting those people in place was because they wanted to minimize sort of the radical Islamic extremist actions right and the acts that they took against Israel because they wanted stability they did the the families down there right whether it's cut or the Saudis or the Egyptians or whatever they're just as worried about radical Islam right and the potential for them to lose control and to lose power as are the Israelis and others in a sense right not necessarily from the physical sense but they've attacked you know Arab families for Arab leaders before so it's a complex problem I guess what I'm saying is there's a lot of moving Parts here and sometimes it all just gets you know thrown into one simple-minded argument right it's good or it's bad Israel's committing genocide you know you know Palestinian people are terrible no it's there's there's so much [ __ ] more to this so again you know I don't know that there's any solution that that uh will be long longterm committed peace in the region in our lifetime but in the short term I think you know the conflict when it's wrapped up um I don't see how it ends with Hamas still being in control of Gaza I don't I I think that's a red line for the Israeli government now maybe Netanyahu doesn't last as the leader of of the government and somebody like Benny gance takes over and they're more inclined to say now you know what just for the sake of some peace right now you know let's just call it quits but do you think that's possible it it yeah it could happen he's got netanyahu's got a lot of internal uh issues political issues right so uh but I think well that's something that we talked about before the people are protesting on the street for months hundreds of thousand of people protesting on the streets about Netanyahu expanding power yeah with their courts yeah and I and I think that if there's look if there's a change in government um fine they do what they're going to do I just I just think that you know from an operational perspective and this is just operational I'm not talking about the moral the ethics of the whole thing of people dying all this I'm just saying from an operational perspective um leaving Hamas in place isn't going to create any even midterm is possible for them to get Hamas out it is possible they have to keep doing what they're doing just bomb the [ __ ] out of everything well they do a lot of targeted strikes they do a lot of yeah there's there's it's look it's it's [ __ ] ugly right there's no you can't you can't sugarcoat any of this and say Well they're just so when I say targeted strikes I'm not saying it's all very Surgical and people aren't getting of course people are dying um but and you're not going to remove them you can't get down to zero sum here right it's like it's like CED terrorism you never reduce the risk down to zero so when you're talking about Hamas you can't destroy them in the in the concept of saying you know they're all dead right because the leaders are still like I said they're fat and happy sitting in Cutter and and turkey and and elsewhere that's where they're hiding they're not even hiding right they're guests this is how [ __ ] up some of these Middle East problems are they're guests at the Qatari government right they and we know they're there and so did they go there when the conflict started no oh no no no these guys have been you know living abroad for years right they've been living abroad for years and then and in part because look Hamas runs a network of businesses and uh charitable organizations just like Hezbollah does hezbollah's got a global presence right so but they they're they're sitting over there um in a country that is also one of our key non-nato allies right so we have our largest Middle East base there you know um in Cutter and you know so it's it's only just recently and I recently it's like the past week or so where the US is is is broached the idea of say look if Hamas doesn't accept a ceasefire right then the Qatari government needs to move these people out they need to expel them right and whether the Qatari government would do that or not because they're playing all sides right the Qatari government does you know they've hosted the Taliban they've hosted Isis leaders uh nice parties nice parties a great party what a great party to host the canopies are delicious it's a lovely it's a lovely time in the conversation um and so you know at the so it it is I I I'm just trying to paint the picture that it's more complicated than somebody sitting on a campus at UCLA might imagine right right right and and and and to your point it deserves more debate it deserves more intellectual open conversation right not necessarily when you talk about who's right and who's wrong how about focus on how do we [ __ ] solve the problem right if if and the problem is maybe intractable if the problem's a two-state solution then maybe you know this thing is just never never going to work because you know maybe a two-state solution is the best idea but if one side or the other is not going to accept it and both sides have have have have pushed back against it at various times then you know what do you got where where's it going the thing is like most people never get to hear this like wide ranging perspective like you just laid out with all the different factors I'm sure there's more factors but all the different you know significant pieces that are in play here yeah and I think that's but you the same thing happens with every major issue right because again if you turn on the news um you get a three-minute piece of news about a a major crisis happening right like the Ukraine conflict whatever so and you know not everybody wants to sit and and listen you know to to details about [ __ ] Israel and Hamas or on Ukraine and and or you know what Iran's doing with their nuclear weapons program or whatever but um you know we we tend to we we we tend to have ADHD right as a as a nation I think and so again people are busy people are just focused on other things but it deserves more conversation it deserves more detail and not the [ __ ] that gets thrown out out there from one side or the other right sort of the hard edges right and or the [ __ ] that comes in from outside elements like the Chinese the Russians the Iranians who don't have our best interest at heart right and you know so again we keep going back to the same thing if people aren't curious and they don't take the [ __ ] responsibility upon themselves to understand what it is that they're listening to is it is it verifiable is it credible whatever get a balance of of news don't just sit and get in a silo and listen to [ __ ] because you agree with it MH right have a conversation with somebody who disagrees with you it's very interesting yeah so it's very valuable too if you could if you have the ability to just let someone talk and engage in them and not get upset and angry and just why do you think that what do you think about this and just have r i mean that used to be of an admirable trait well I think that's why you know I'm not blowing smoke up your ass but that's why I think this your show works right is because you have conversations now you piss people off because I think sometimes people have a hard time putting you in a box right and that makes people uncomfortable if they think you know okay I know where he's coming from and then you have a conversation where you're listening to something completely on the other side right and you're not just saying well [ __ ] you that's wrong you're saying well why is that right and you're having people explain things that can piss people off right because everybody wants to to to to identify make a quick judgment and say move on right um and judging is a lot easier than thinking it is a lot easier it's super simple yeah it's very very [ __ ] simple thinking is [ __ ] complicated especially you're dealing with layers upon layers decades and generations of conflict like like you are in Gaza and Palestine yeah Israel it's nuts yeah I don't know I don't know where it's going to I mean again I think um I think the the US is in a interesting position they're not the key mediator here right they're not the you know they can exert pressure on on Israel to some degree but Israel's been very clear and said look we're going to this is existential for us right if the if the shoe was on the other foot if it was the US that was facing this sort of thread right if we were attacked by Mexico right or Canada Canada's a threat but Canada's Too Close yeah at least Mexicans speak Spanish it's easier to that's that that makes us uniquely different meanwhile there's way more Mexicans over here than there are Canadians right that's well I don't know I don't I don't know if I trust the Canadians I think they're coming across the border at night when we don't see them I think they're in a cult yeah that [ __ ] Trudeau is goam in a cult the fact that they voted that guy in again is mindblowing like how what are you [ __ ] paying attention your your country is literally falling apart and you guys are so wrapped up in one ideology or another you don't course correct yeah you know it's like if new was the governor God not just the governor of California but the if he was the president and he was running the same policies on our country yeah I don't know he was he was thrown out there as I like I mean now yeah they moved off of Pete Budaj and some others but now he he's unwinable Buddha judge is incompetent he's unwinable well you could argue that Newsome also is incompetent 100% but that's slick [ __ ] you know I think they were trying him for a little while but then they decided to just run it with Biden again which is just absolutely wild absolutely Wild Well I was pretty convinced that this was going to be the month they were going to remove Biden I was like yeah I was like I think may I talked to Tim Dylan about it he put that idea in my head and I think I was like you know what that totally makes sense May seems like it makes sense because if you're going to really get a new guy in place if you know Biden is like guys I got a problem there a thing be here on the sidelines I'm going to work really close with Governor Nome and I think it's our next four more years pause pause pause that was actually brilliant it's it's [ __ ] crazy it's [ __ ] crazy that these people are gaslighting us but they can't they can't move him out right if they move him out they got to move KLA Harris out right or they've got to elevate her to the top of the ticket which is nuts that's not going to happen no one's you You' have to be the nuttiest [ __ ] Democrat and I know a few I know this one nutty Democrat that I'm guess I kind of friends I see him I'll say hi but this this [ __ ] is a k Harris fan you know thank you madam vice president like he's one of those how do you get to that point how do you get you're [ __ ] you just completely give in there's no critical thinking at all and you're just [ __ ] blue no matter who you you ride or die well that's what I mean I I assume that they've looked at the scenarios and they thought to themselves we can't have Biden step down and put somebody else at the top of the ticket so we've got to clear the ticket entirely right because we can't run KLA Harris as as as the presidential candidate so and we certainly can't bring in Newsome a white dude you know to run the top of the ticket and keep her in place right that's not an optic they're's just valuable in that spot she doesn't gain you she doesn't gain confidence that we'll have a great vice president if he kicks the bucket and bro how are they keeping him alive yeah what are they giving him and where do I get it well she'll be she'll be pres do I get where do I get he's on yeah I want to try as an able-bodied man of uh complete control of my cognitive functions I'd like to know what that [ __ ] cocktail is like I was going to say the cocktail that they gave him before the State of the Union Address whatever they gave him yeah right that fired him up just long enough to make it through long enough boy he must have slept for a week after that I bet God I bet it's some high do stuff whatever it is and I bet it feels great yeah yeah in the moment and then I think there there probably there's probably a come down oh boy but uh yeah but I so yeah so she she'll be president this is my theory I know I've lost a bet with you before on on Trump but I I worry that look I I you know I think you know the Republicans can't really go after Biden's age completely only because Trump is what 78 right but he's not as com absolutely compromised right and that's and that's absolutely true but I just I think that what's going to happen is that you you have to have a perfect storm for Trump to win in terms of the independence right and Suburban moms and you have to have enough people come back into the tent right to vote for him MH and I just I don't know that I have enough confidence that that's going to happen so we end up with President Biden and Harris again which means we will have President Harris I hate to say that right you you you wish well on everybody right good health and all that yeah but come on come on please are you kidding me on it's not goingon to two years into this this next 10 years president is Trump ahead in a lot of polls in states he is he is but I you know again I I don't I don't know that I'd make you know Bank on on polls um nowadays I think it's it's I this is going to sound like I'm I'm going off topic but um after the 7 October attacks in in Gaza um I think that the survey was done in maybe January and February time frame they released it in March so a Palestinian Research Center based in uh uh where rala I think in in in Gaza um I forget where it was but anyway um they ran a survey and according to this poll that they did of of residents of Gaza over 70% supported hamas's 7 October attacks right 70% over 70% supported hamas's attacks it was a minuscule amount that thought that Hamas was responsible for their troubles right it's like that's like less than 10% I think that thought that that that Hamas was responsible for all the chaos now happening right despite the fact of what they did but they supported what they did according to the poll now you you peel that back and you think to yourself okay well first of all the the survey was done in in Gaza so somebody knocks on your door and says do you support hamas's uh actions on 7 October what the [ __ ] do you think I'm going to say right of course I'm going to say yes it's kind of like if you walk up to somebody in in in San Francisco on the on a crowded Street and say do you do you support president Trump no you know so I I don't know that people are particularly honest at times in in in surveys and polls especially in this these circumstances in these circumstances but but you're right most surveys most polls show him uh you know some points ahead and you know don't get me wrong I you know I'd love to see less regulation you know we we got all sorts of problems on the economic front and you know one thing we could be doing as as a government is is peeling back some of the regulatory environment that's [ __ ] us over right in a lot of ways not just the economy but it it impacts our national security down the road right how much when you you hear about Shenanigans when it comes to voting when it hear when you hear about like particularly corruption involved with mail in ballots it seems to be a sticking issue with people yeah how much of a security issue is that like the mail in Balance thing yeah look if there's an opportunity for fraud or chaos some people somewhere you know whether Democrats or Republicans or whatever if there's if there's a fraud opportunity there will be an element that will try to play off of that right that's especially if they think that it's imperative that this happen for this future of democracy future of democracy oh my God I'm saving the country despite what I'm doing so you're doing being very unamerican right exactly you're engaging in voter corruption so I don't I don't have any insight or Insight information about you know to what degree there's a a problem with with uh with uh mail in ballots and voter fraud but to me I I tend to be a little more simplistic I remember a lot of Elections where you just show up you show your ID you fill out the form and then by that evening you found out who won right it didn't seem to be that complicated and now and nobody seemed really disenfranchized right so I I would like to see us just go back to the normal way of voting right and do we vote on it like how do you how does people how do people decide whether or not mailing ballots are appropriate because the reason why they were there in the first place was Co right right but now that it's there and it's set up now there's this resistance to get rid of mail and ballots but if if that is the thing that keeps us closer to corruption and it seems to be that's the thing that's an element that you can [ __ ] with right and you and you do this all the time in in uh in the business environment or whatever you you look at your protocols in place you remove you know lack of controls where you know fraud could seep in right it's it's a common thing you don't it it's it shouldn't be shouldn't be difficult but so then you have to look at it with some skepticism right are you genuinely concerned that you know somehow there were vast swaths of the the population that were disenfranchised and not able to vote right or just can't get themselves an ID right which I think is an insulting stance to take for a lot of people but you're not you're not I'm sorry you're not smart enough to get yourself an ID but you need one if you have a vaccine yeah but you need one if you have a vaccine or you yeah or or from s feed yourself you need one but you don't need one to vote cuz that's you know that's racist so yeah exactly something so I think you know to me it's just seems like we should look at it from from a perspective of the way that you would do it if you were running a business which is I want to minimize the potential opportunities for fraud how do I do that it's very [ __ ] simple seems [ __ ] simple you phrase it that way yeah so but they that's not how it's not how they're how they're doing it right now and is that something that can be voted on that's the question uh I like who who decides leave it up to the people you mean well who decides that mailin ballots are still legitimate well I I guess that was that a a federal or a state decision I think is I I don't know that's a very good question um yeah I who knows CU I have friends that believe there was no VOE of fraud at all and I have friends that believe that 100% Trump one yeah yeah I'm the same way I've got both sides and you think okay well look someone's got to be wrong well and and usually the answer is somewhere in in you know in that range in the middle there's some fraud was it enough to like [ __ ] things over I who knows I don't know it's it's but again I keep going back to the operational concerns which is just just minimize the potential for fraud mail and ballots have always been mail and ballots have been a thing right you're you're serving overseas or or whatever uh but there was a protocol for it and it was very straightforward and and very clear and now you know the the the concern over ballot harvesting and and mailin ballots and having you know months to get you having you know uh weeks pass before you know who won CRA right yeah talk about uh instilling you know skepticism Over The credibility of your voting system take take weeks to figure out who won a [ __ ] election is there a real danger that Trump could win but lose meaning that he could win the election but lose his court case oh and literally have to go to jail while he's the president I mean yeah this was the topic of discussion at the Rogen house today was it well they were trying to figure out like because yeah he could he could he there's nothing that says he can't govern from jail jail is it possible they really might put him in jail is is he in danger of actually being put in a jail for these crimes of not what did he do exactly he paid a lady off and I guess he did it in a secretive way or in a well he did in the same way that Arnold Schwarzenegger did it or they did it in the same way that a variety of people who are trying to suppress a bad PR story do it right so I think the I think the trial that's going on right now involving Stormy Daniels in New York uh was the least favorite trial of the Democrats who are the most Keen to see him put in prison right they all felt as if this is probably not the one to start with but they started with it because Alvin Bragg was dead set on on doing it right he just like I'm going to throw this out there and you know a variety of other entities had looked at that case and said we're not going to push it forward and so they've put this forward I I don't think that there's anybody other than the hardcore never trumpers the the the people that are just desperate to see him in a in a jumpsuit uh who believe that there's any Merit to it that the analysts that you watch um across the board even the the the hard left ones they tend to speak in caveats right like you know they're not completely convinced that this was the way to go so I don't know but having said that that um if he gets convicted and if there's like some he got to go to to prison sounds so [ __ ] bizarre how did we get to this point then uh I don't know of any any you know uh I don't know of anything that says he can't you know continue to run or be you know elected is the what he's being accused of is this generally a crime that people actually have to go to jail for no no no they're trying to tie this in to uh to sort of the campaign uh issue of campaign funds um uh influencing of the campaign that's what they're trying to they're trying to tie it into well of course he's trying to suppress a story right that he thought would be bad or that they thought his team thought would be bad uh for a campaign right but that in and of itself so they got to tie it into how the funds were expended they've tried this in the past um and again it's not like there haven't been countless dudes who you know did the mess around and then had to pay to get the story suppressed right I mean that's that there are PR firms that specialize in that sort of thing so I don't know I I don't see that this is going to I don't see this is going to tank him right there's probably other cases out there is it a case where yeah there's probably more cases right waiting they're going to keep throwing it at them yeah they've got a timeline of cases and look there's you the Democratic strategists have been you look they stick to a message they're very smart and they're very dis disciplined but they all sat in a room somewhere and they looked at these various thing they looked at the election calendar and they looked at you know where the primaries are and they looked at when they could maybe get these trials going and the idea being let's just keep this thing rolling keep him in the news as being in a court right right the idea the look the idea that he's got to sit there um and can't leave you don't see that you know that's not a typical move right but now he's locked into that court on whatever Monday Tuesday and Thursday and Friday whatever so with the idea being he's not out on the campaign Trail right so but he's also in the news and his supporters think that he's being unduly prosecuted or unfairly prosecuted right and that it's a political prosecution and that all they're trying to do which is essentially unamerican is suppress their political rival right and that is a large uh number of people in the country a larger number every day I think as this goes on as they gain more of an understanding of this case like the problem is if a Democrat and you support this if he does get in power now he has this ability you have to understand there's a precedent that's been set yeah and if you don't think that Biden has a shitload of things so let's say Biden loses okay let's get really crazy let's get really really crazy Biden loses they inject him with stem cells for three years and then they roll him out in 2027 like let's do it again let do it again Trump won the second ter we saw disaster that was and they say you know what he's been sharper than ever and you get these New York liberals who just Gaslight the [ __ ] out of you I saw that video and I'll tell you I'm pumped he's as sharp as a attack he's never been better sure he's old but that's his superpower theyed his work EIC his work ethic looks fantasticness he is so kind he's such a good man he's the father of our country so lucky I read an X poost by a uh admittedly a guy that works for a consulting firm in DC right he's a democratic strategist but he wrote this glowing thing about how oh Biden's had his great couple of weeks man as he had a good couple of weeks's on fire yeah he's on fire look at what he's done in the Middle East right and you think four more years well you could argue that part of our problem was we coddled the Iranian regime for three years and that's how things got to this stage and now and now what you suddenly he's had a good couple of weeks he's not they're not leading the charge on and ceasefire negotiations right they're in fact you could argue that they're making uh National Security decisions related to Israel based on domestic policy concerns or political concerns right you don't want to lose the youth vote you don't want to lose the Arab American vote by being overly supportive of Israel so there is some concern here but isn't that losing the Jewish vote then cuz Jewish we talked about this yesterday 70% of Jewish people identify or vote as Democrats yeah I know and and what's that all about I'm not I've never been quite clear on how that that number worked right and so yeah it is interesting but but anyway you know I don't I don't want to say that you know they're making too many decisions based on domestic political concerns but I think that they are that's just the nature of the of the game right and and so I don't think I'm being overly cynical but um yeah what I was getting to was that if Biden did we went crazy in 2027 they got him on stem cells and they put him in a hyperbaric chamber every day for 4 hours he's sharp as a attacker attack look at him knife he's sharper than his uncle Bosey was imagine if Trump goes after him because there's a lot to go after if if they started uncovering the emails and the the bisma stuff and the fact that he said he never talked to any of his son's business partners but hunter Biden's former partner said they had at least 20 phone calls the fact that he allegedly used a pseudonym when he was changing emails all that's nuts yeah all that is nuts if that if that was the case if now Trump gets to go after him this is now we're dealing with Insanity now we're dealing with every time someone is President they have the power to prosecute their political Rivals for Unnecessary means which is the whole argument of immunity right this not a thing that should be a thing that decides whether or not a guy gets to run for president no it's a that's fourth world thing right I probably get in trouble for saying fourth world people oh my God how can you denigrate the fourth world well are we fourth we're heading in that direction I don't know for first world anymore I'm where are I'm not sure where we stand we who's first world we're not that's what's scary recalibrate um maybe there are no first worlds anymore but when you find out I mean we found out that the 1% of the world is $34,000 a year when you you hear that you go oh that's why they're walking over here that's why this is all chos that's why this is all nuts yeah like yeah like this is first world as crazy as it is this really is first world yeah well look I know I i' spent most of my life overseas and I met a lot of people in some very bizarre environments um and some and some sort of uh remote areas and they all had this idea you know get to America right work hard and you you could do who knows what right so it's still and it still continues to be a very Dynamic you know driving element of of you know of of people overseas I think we forget that sometimes right and and certainly you know you could look at the campus protests and go to well okay maybe maybe you know the Youth of today but that's not true either right because we can fall into that trap and say well the [ __ ] youth of today don't understand how you know great they have it and everything every generation has said that about their kids well not only that if you look every generation has said that about their kids for sure but if you looked at this this population of college kids and you could remove these kids from their friends and with total immunity and total anonymity get their real opinions on all this stuff I guarantee you there's a lot of kids they say some of this is so crazy and you can't have opposing opinions and we just sort of accept it and we move on and it's what percentage of the kids are out there tents in tents what percentage of the kids are out there blocking the roads and protesting I bet it's a small percentage it's it's a very small it's a lot of people and then there's a lot of people that go there that probably don't even go to that school right right well that I mean if you look at the uh arrest uh statistics so far right you know what say it's not you know a completely accurate number about 2400 arrests right campuses across the country um and the statistics are starting to show that you know upwards of half of those arrests those people have no affiliation with the university they're not college students right they're outside either agitators activists however you want to refer to them right um so yeah I agree with you it's not we're not talking about a lot um and again I would argue that you know from the outside activist perspective again whether it's you know students for justice in Palestine or or you know um the other groups that are involved they look at the students themselves as just window dressing and again sort of useful idiots but right I we'll tell you one thing is you can get cynical sometimes about the the state of of you know the youth however you want to call it the Utes um but then I I took uh I took my oldest boy uh scooter for his candidate visit at the US Naval Academy a couple weeks ago that is a way to uh strengthen or reaffirm your belief in in where we are as a country right when you see the kids that are there holy [ __ ] right and I probably shouldn't say that when I'm describing all the kids there but what great kids right they're still out there they're still out there and that's and that's the point there's a lot of a lot of what we were saying earlier like you know oh the generation before I think this is the best generation it's just there's so many morons yeah but in terms of just the sheer number of people that aren't it'll surprise you there's a there's a lot of great people in this country we have our problems and we're going to always have problems but that one of the ways we find Solutions is by having problems and that's one of the ways we come to understandings and the the people that are trying to stop you from discussing this that's the real problem the problem is not disagreement folks the problem is people trying to stop people from discussing very important subjects and that is look [ __ ] all hail Elon Musk because that [ __ ] stepped in spent $44 billion and shifted the entire the the whole like the environment of social media is very different because X is the wild west yeah it's very different everywhere everything has to kind of relax just to kind of keep up with it because the the whole power Dynamic the whole bell curve has shifted and now you got this one dude is like I don't give a [ __ ] I'm going to post ridiculous memes I'm going to talk [ __ ] I'm going to say funny things and remember he was a darling of the left for God now he's Nazi czy is the worst having one of his cars was like a virtue badge like my friend made fun of me because I had a Tesla I was like dude I don't give a [ __ ] what you say if you get in this car it'll change your mind remember that South Park episode with the Prius remember that see that one thank you there was a whole episode about people of South Park buying Priuses and feeling incredibly super self-righteous it was fantastic was almost as good as their they're they're smacking in San Diego bro it is a thing in California it is a real thing that some of my liberal friends that I know what you're doing you [ __ ] you're waving a flag that's not even a good car you don't even like the way it looks what are you doing get out of here with that [ __ ] stupid thing but now he's now yeah you're right now he's a now he's a Nazi see but the Tesla thing made sense to me I'm like okay when you drive one of those things regard you get both things you get to feel like you're better because I'm out here doing something amazing for the environment and then also you get a [ __ ] time machine that thing moves like a time machine it doesn't even seem real how fast those things are did I tell did I tell you when I rented a I ended up with a Tesla I think I I I don't know if I told you about that when I show up at a rental car place and I forget even what town I was in and I hadn't asked for an EV right but I guess now they're kind of like they're pushing out yeah so the guy says oh we you we got a Tesla for you I like okay fine so he hands me uh hands me the card right that little card so I'm like all right so it's out there in uh whatever space 428 so I wander out there and I stand it's and it's locked right so now I'm standing there thinking I don't have a [ __ ] key I don't have a clue how to open this thing right so a guy walks by and he goes oh you just tap the the the card on the on the car so I'm out there like tapping tapping the [ __ ] tap of the door handle tapping it all over no he didn't tell me little little panel right there tap it on that so I'm tapping the [ __ ] car I look like a monkey [ __ ] a football and I'm like what the the hell and so finally finally guy the guy walks over and goes what are you doing I said I'm trying to open the car so he goes oh it's this he Taps it car opens I go in he say hey thanks very much man and he walks away you know how he did it did you pay attention well I watched him and he just hit that one spot on the on the the little panel there by the door okay and so I was like okay got it so I sat down in the car now I don't have a clue how to start the [ __ ] and so I had to Google I'm and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna walk back all the way over there and say look I'm such an idiot so I sat there and I googled how do you start a Tesla right and I had to sit and watch this stupid video and it was fine and then I will say yeah I was I was very impressed I loved it it was a great experience I'd never done that before bizarre right right bizarre how fast they are it was crazy right they're bizarre and and then you know then you got to figure out how to charge it and that that was a whole another oh yeah and then you got to make sure that there's Chargers available right and some places there's a [ __ ] line you got to wait an hour to get on that goddamn thing in there for an hour and we're all going to drive electric vehicles when you don't we don't have the capacity yet right I me we don't have the Grid's not ready for it yet not only that the [ __ ] source of the minerals is a horror story yeah yeah oh uh I meant to tell you there's a great story in uh which was it W Street Journal today and I love when they have stories like this because I'm thinking no no [ __ ] Sherlock it's about um it's about access for the uh uh defense industry to uh magnets right rare earth magnets which you need for everything submarines f-35s whatever think about what you need for I mean and magnets are also for obviously for variety of everything else household appliances and [ __ ] um 92% uh of rare earth uh magnets are controlled by China right now right materials and and Manufacturing and so now the US is suddenly un realizing that they've got an issue because a while back handful of years ago they put in place a law that will actually come into effect in 2017 and a big way which says you know no magnets you know from China where the materials or the processing or uh manufacturers in China so we don't have the capacity why wa why why can't we get them after 2027 from China well that's that's kind of when they said that's it because we want to be in control of something that's critical to a variety of things right and so do we have the cap capability well yeah I mean we do uh look Rare Earth it's interesting Rare Earth minerals are not they're not called that because of their rareness right they're they're actually you know you could argue critical minerals are are more difficult to get your hands on but it's it's the refining process that that's kind of makes them difficult and we can get them we could we could have this capacity we could we could have had the capacity for years and years and years but we it's the regulatory policies right so it's like the mining industry in the states is is more abundant right it's almost dead because you know we put in place so many regulations and say you can't no we can't do that it's bad for the environment well you know what's worse for the environment is the way they [ __ ] M these things overseas right whether it's in China or Africa or wherever else and so we've we've kind of shot ourselves in the foot with this but they're now starting to catch anyway it's a good article Wall Street Journal so if they're going to catch on like where do they get these is there a place where they can do it where they don't ruin everything there's a another article I found right below it's talked about Mountain Pass yeah which used to be a huge place if it was oil it would be considered Saudi Arabia is that where the Doner party died uh yeah maybe in between Califoria of audit say right here is that where they died I don't know world's number one source of rares bro started in a gold rush and then production changed and things changed oh is it still the number one source Mountain Pass is arguably the best Rare Earth asset in the world whoa if it were oril it would be Saudi Arabia well let's start digging [ __ ] he was talking about the refining of it and that's I think this article starts talking about so we don't have the refineries we starting to put money into whether it's us or the Australians or the Germans or whomever they're starting to you know realize but good news is they' figured this out but while we were paying attention to whatever we were focused on China was dominating you know above 90% And and knowing right strategically thinking ahead years ago thinking what's going to be important right and so they did and they don't you know they're not playing the same game in terms of regulations and environmental concerns and practices and that's a good thing we should have environmental concerns I'm not saying that should but China is not having these concerns no they don't one of the wildest Things that you know these social media uh Bots you know who knows what countries are using these but there's a lot of them that are being run by foreign countries and they'll a lot of times be like real inflammatory about climate change and if they're funded by China while China is building coal plants all the time don't they have like hundreds of new coal plants that they're building yeah opening up I forget what it was two a week or so uh new coal plants yeah and the EPA just just crushed the coal industry here over the past week and a half or so with some new regulations that are going forward in terms of you know what you have to reduce your emiss nuclear isn't that the solution it would I would say the solution is all of the above right it's everything right and you got to and and yes eventually work towards something that makes you know Sense on the green energy front but yeah nuclear is certainly a big part of it but uh we we get in this mindset it's like everything else we get one it's it's got to be all this or it's got to be all that it's like it's like the way that we have we have arguments um but yeah you're you're right the people should look at like if you have a an environmental uh activist group right and they a lot of times they'll want to shut down a a mining operation here in the states right and it looks like it's a Grassroots it's like the campus protest looks like it's a Grassroots thing oh it's just the neighborhood organization that's against this idea right you got to dig into it a little bit and then next thing you know you find that there's there's outside elements involved because it's in their best interests and China's figured this out we've talked about this before they figured out that the way to impact the US for their own good was to impact local and state regulations and Regulatory policies towards things like mining right because it's it it it helps them in their cause to dominate the industry or to dominate whatever that market is that we're talking about so you know again it's just a matter of Peel back the layers pay attention think about what you're what you're doing um I wanted I did want to oh so this arle talks about the uh overbuilding of plants but they're going to run less frequently to keep their capacity high and then it's asked like why and they might just be doing it just in case yeah in case what who know that's you know well maybe that's they're they're preparing for their electric cars by the way China has the most advanced electric car suspension that I've ever even heard of it's so good that you could drive over speed bumps and you could have glasses balance on the Hood wow that sounds like that old Saturday night Liv skit where they said the ride was so smooth in the Lincoln you could conduct a uh circumcision in the back so they had a they had that they had a rabbi in the back of a link and doing a circumcision to show how smooth the trans the suspension was well this makes that look like a motorbike like like a motocross bike holy [ __ ] like these things go over everything and they stay flat don't feel anything the car just stays flat as it's riding over all these bumps it's nuts and if you see how it works like all the different things that are moving around inside of it all the Machinery that they've developed to have this insane suspension it's crazy wow China is like really innovating right now in the field of electric cars in the field of cars period but their electric cars have made massive leaps cuz just a few years ago I think Elon dismissed a lot of their electric cars but now he's like no no no these are like really legitimate and they've got they've got their version of a Rolls Royce that's like a million dollars and you can't even get it yeah have you seen these Chinese rolls-royces they're insane yeah and they've also and and part of that is because they've been strategic about locking up uh critical minerals right overseas in terms of you know getting in there working with countries to lock up that market and and also to dominate completely the refining side of things right they've got the confidence in knowing you know where they where they can take this and so this is like okay we can dominate the EV Market you know because we've done the we've done the hard work ahead look at this thing this is their their Chinese version of Rolls-Royce and it's supposed to be sick like you get inside of you like oh my God this car is incredible but you can't even get them in America yeah I like my Jeep Grand Wagoner better Jeep Grand wagon ear are great but I would drive this dope ass Chinese luxury sled this thing looks insane hey you know that that uh thing you sent me about the Manta remember that yes yes that that se ship yeah the like UFO it's fantastic it's it's um uh it's that U underwater uh unmanned vehicle that's it right there sick yeah that's that's what I hope America's making without me knowing with my tax dollars and and we and we are I hope they're making [ __ ] like this look at that thing man that is so cool like that is if you imagined like what was G to be like the kind of technology in 2024 and like 1967 that would be right up there like a spaceship that they use in the ocean yeah and it's and it's fantastic because it is it's it you you can you know manufacture thousands of them right and they're for very specific purposes they're they're long duration you know unmanned Vehicles underwater um low power right so interesting they're doing this that that thing called Energy harvesting but they're getting it from the the gradient salinity in the in the water and the change in in saltiness in the water but it it is fascinating but I part of this explain that how do they do that uh no I'd like to say that I'm a gradient salinity uh you know afficionado but I'm not um but this is this is interesting because they we behind the curve in developing uh particularly from a naval perspective these these uh new capabilities and we're seeing how the drones and the unmanned vehicles from a naval perspective have impacted Ukraine right and their to attack the Russian Black Sea Fleet we're seeing what the hoodies are doing with them right and we've been a little slow to the game and so you know it's interesting to watch now that they're developing things like this which you can take apart and then ship someplace right it doesn't need to travel underwater to get to where it's going right you just you ship it off you put it together you assemble it you put it in and it's got a variety of of uses and uh can carry payloads but it's it is it is fasinating but there's a there's also we talked about Ai and there's something else that DARPA has been doing because this is a DARPA related project as well is uh something called U Ace and they've just finished um an AI and machine learning dog fight they've created a it's like X something x62 uh which isn't yeah so autonomous now you you you put two guys in there there's still pilots in this thing it's a modified F-16 essentially that you you got two guys in there but they're not flying it so they've conducted actual uh dog fight scenarios against a human crew F-16 right and it's it's remarkable this this plane is using Ai and machine learning to uh to dog fight basically and is it winning against people yes yeah yeah and you know so you you still have a couple of guys in there but they're just there like an autonomous truck right they're just there in case things go wrong right they can take control but it's it's unbelievable and in the centor tests insane how what is the range well in the virtual tests well it's it's it would be the range of of an F-16 right I mean it's you you you've got um so the all the everything that's Computing all the that's all happening in the computer on the plane Lear and it's making decisions faster than the human pilot can do it it's not connected to the internet at all with sky with Skynet or whatever the [ __ ] that is Sky what is the [ __ ] called oh uh starlink starlink Skynet bro Sterling yeah no it's but it's I wanted to bring that up because that is that is to me that's remarkable and insane that's insane that it's doing in real time with a jet it's crazy um but it makes sense there's no margin for error it would get it perfect and the and the virtual test that they did the virtual tests they were undefeated against humans [ __ ] so yeah you think about what that means down the road okay so what do you think these drones are that people keep think seeing or these uaps I should say say drones some of them they think are drones they're like hovering over ships right what do you do you think these are foreign if China can make electric cars that advanced and we can make drones that are pretty [ __ ] Advanced yeah what kind of [ __ ] did they have well I think it's I I think you're right I think most of the most of that uip sightings and I think it's important to for them I'm glad the government and the defense departments finally at least come forward to some degree to say look we've got we've got an interest in this we want to investigate we want to know what these things are these sightings that we can't readily identify off the bat um look we were tricked out in uh the Korean War the Russians you know designed the Mig whatever it was the Mig 15 maybe and we had no idea right so they they come out they roll out the Mig 15 against we were still using you know uh you know old rotor aircraft from um um uh propeller aircraft from World War II in Korea at the outset and we didn't know that the Russians had Advanced Material Science to the point that they had so that they could build something like this so it would be insane for us to think somehow that the Chinese you know who have proven themselves to be brilliant at reverse engineering other people's technology haven't figured out something else so yeah there there's always this game of of trying to understand how advanced they are and I'm I suspect some of the UAP sightings are definitely probably Chinese I don't I don't think the Russians necessarily but uh not that they wouldn't try or not trying but I I I suspect the Chinese are are further Advanced on this and they've stolen a lot of Technology from us over the years and we've talked about that but um I think a number of the uip sightings that that that get listed are just that but that's why they do it that's why they have a an office now that you know they've admitted to that investigates because it's a national security issue you got to know if a hostile state has created something that we are not aware of right propulsion or Material Science or whatever it may be how much that stuff could be kept secret and for how long do you think like is it like is it equivalent in terms of like the physicists that are working on this in China versus the ones that are working on it over here like is it possible that somebody made some sort of a propulsion breakthrough well yeah anti-gravity or something well that was the thing we had this lady um that went missing do you know that story yeah yeah yeah yeah um uh she was but she was working on an anti-gravity device and she back went back to China for a little bit and then yeah came back here there's been some talk about you know there's some various people salvator pis um and some others who have been working on supposedly on things you know similar you know various propulsion systems anti-gravity you know um how do you you know how do you change the laws of physics right and I don't know that if I don't know how long that could be kept secret for right CU could you keep it secret for a little bit though yeah yeah you could but at some point you know it's going to get rolled out and and you know someone's going to get wind of something it's human nature um and we're always trying we're always working just like the Chinese always working against us we're always working to understand what they got and so you know I'm not a big believer that you know you keep secrets of a of an immense nature like that for a long period of time well if they did keep it a secret if that's what the Tic Tac thing was that was 2004 yeah it's hard to imagine them having that complex uh propulsion system that's so alien from what we we currently know yeah and have that 20 years ago and no one hears about it yeah I know I know and that's that is a long time that is the I've been in conversations with some folks who want to do a new series on on uaps right and you know I keep coming back to that incident right and fraver and and the folks that were involved in those sightings as one of those things right like if I had to you know because a lot of things can be explained away that one still is a tough one that's a tough one yeah there were a lot of Eyes On Target Radars and and the and the wingman and there were there was a lot of things here that just that up the physical movement of it if all the Machinery works if all the sensors work if all the detection equipment all all the the if all that stuff is accurate that thing's doing something that no one's ever even seen before Oh no absolutely no sign of propulsion system um speed of movement change of Direction everything was so bizarre um but that's again what we're what we're looking for and we're moving in eventually we get in that direction right eventually you have an explainable technology that could create something like that but back then like you said I you know maybe 2004 so long ago when it terms to technology yeah no it I know right it sounds crazy but 20 years ago is a [ __ ] totally different World well there's that that exponential advancement of Technology as you go along and as you create things but which is really crazy if that was ours so if we if we had something like that in 2004 who where what how much money where'd you get the smart guys I don't think that would have been the case cuz I think that that we wouldn't have heard about it because I think they would have had a a classified briefing with frav say you saw nothing don't worry about it you know it's all done you think that's the case or do you think they allow some talk about it because a lot of the talk is nutty anyway a lot of these people that believe in UFOs you're right I I am open-minded about the idea to a certain extent but a lot of these people that that they could be telling you Bigfoot stories it's like the the same kind of folks there's people that just see [ __ ] and it makes it makes their life way more interesting and then there's there's people that have really seen those things I have good friends that have seen things so bizarre things yeah you how did that move talked about that yeah and and and I I've talked to a couple of Pilots that were out in IRA and they said we were flying nighttime saw [ __ ] that we couldn't explain we had no idea what the [ __ ] it was over the Skies of Iraq while we were on a sorting and so yeah I I'm I'm well then it gets to like Tucker Carlson territory he believes they're like Spiritual Beings yeah yeah I'm not sure he thinks they're like interdimensional Travelers or something skin walker Ranch and uh if that's true if that's true then the world just got so much weirder imagine us trying to deny that this whole time but that's really what was going on yeah although you know what it would help to explain a lot of things maybe and we I could at least it wouldn't seem like we're you know I don't know that yeah I I'm I'm not a you know me I'm not I'm not a conspiracy theorist I don't believe that because I again I going back to your other point I don't believe that people can keep secrets for a long period of time right but but what about the Kennedy papers well there is that okay all right well or the one that I we talked about this before Martin Luther King yeah that's the one that's the one that if if you're going to really dig in I I just you're never going to shift me off the position that there were state local officials Federal whatever involved in in that it just doesn't make sense still um some conspiracies are real exactly yeah some of them are real oh yeah yeah and and it's and it's it's yeah you go back to the uip thing it'd be insane to say that there's no such thing my favorite one is the Roswell one because if that one's real the Roswell crash of 47 yeah yeah yeah I don't know that one I'm not yeah I I don't know I I don't know seriously I don't know you're looking at me like you just looked at me like you know come on if you know you wouldn't tell us that's the problem or would I no you wouldn't you wouldn't be able to but maybe if you wanted to give me more disinformation you can give some some n that's a whole that's a whole segment of society out there that believes that I'm just here to to to to push disinformation right that's my job well you're here because you're a nice guy and you're a smart guy and you actually know what you're talking about and so I I don't I I know what I read and I go oh my God what does that mean and so I can have you in here and you can explain things from a guy who actually understands the comp you had the best explanation of what's going on in the Middle East I've heard yet well thank you I appreci do you mind if I do now on the heels of that do you mind if I do a little Shameless marketing oh do some Shameless marketing okay so you know we've got the president's Daily Brief uh the podcast and that started up in September it's done remarkably well despite me being the host um yeah and uh so it's it's every morning every afternoon it's it's We Touch SE we hit the the top issues critical issues of the day international stories conflicts whatever um and because it's done well uh that's the weekdays that they're going to launch a um a weekend version extended weekend version on our YouTube channel so we're going to video so starting Saturday May 18th we're going to take the pdb it's going to still be during the weekdays on Spotify and all your other P podcast platforms but then on Saturday May 18th we start with this the situation report it'll be an extended version on YouTube uh with video we're going to have guests um and uh which leads me to my question of how do you interview guests um but it's going to be great news commentary we're going to have some very interesting people uh same idea touching on critical issues and stories we're going to just stick with the facts we're going to stay away from opinion right which I think is one of the reasons why the pdb has done well um is that it's 20 minutes in the morning 10 minutes in the afternoon we hit the facts try to stay away from opinion occasionally I might you know make some stupid remark uh but uh for the most part it's just a little bit of context and then you know you get on your way Bob's your uncle a little bit of Personality flavored in with a little Personality yeah I try not to inject too much cuz nobody wants that um but it's yeah it's good people need to hear these kind of balanced perspectives on things and I think it's very important that you provide it because you're actually a person who really understands these conflicts do you it's cuz most of us it's the whole idea behind it's so alien like what the hell's going on over there like it takes so long to try to penetrate to just like so who's funding that yeah and then Iran is doing what and then so why do they want that oh there's Accords and what how what do the Accords mean and what happens oh okay like all that stuff is [ __ ] complicated and it's hard to find like a singular Source where you could just sit down and read it all and have it all make sense to you well it's and and I think that's that was the reason why we talked about that that was the reason why I said okay I agreed to do it was because they said look we want to stick with the news right we want to try to get back to the old days here's the news and again it's always going to there's going to be a little context or analysis in there but for the most part just give people what's happening tell them what's happening don't tell them how to think about it necessarily just tell them what's happening and the the president's daily brief's got a great it's got a great staff you know it's not like I'm you know doing everything I'm just like sort of like the the monkey crashing the symbols together there's a very unfortunate sort of combin in of the people that give you the news with people that think they're activists you know or people that think that it's very important that you stick to a very specific narrative and ignore information that's contrary to what your belief system says right well if all you do is just say here's what's happening right here's what we know is happening right and you don't try to again you don't try to tell people what to think and you don't try to say okay we're going to approach it from a particular point of view and leave out half of what happening right right yeah so just and it's like that old thing you know there's there's still some news outlets out there that that do a good job of of just presenting facts but most of them you know like you you pointed there is most of them are opinion-based right and you know if you look at um if you sort of look at the the there's a survey that regularly looks at the news in terms of objectivity right and it changes somewhat and interestingly your your show doesn't change much right it's always kind of it's right up there in terms of because you're not you know other news outlets disappear off of there or they change position in terms of relative objectivity right but yours has been very consistent but you've got outfits like Fox News or CNN and they'll drop off the radar right because they become nothing but opinion right for a period of time then maybe they self-correct and they realize we need more news we need more facts so they'll come back on the survey and come up higher in terms of relative credibility of actual news so anyway it's it yeah goes back to our original story everybody's got be a little bit more careful um because it's getting more dangerous out there in terms of disinformation yeah it's it's getting weird it's getting weird when you know we've talked about this before but it's an important number the the this guy who used to work for the FBI who analyzed Twitter and said he believed that it was as much as 80% of them were Bots seriously yeah I did not see pull that pull that up Jamie it's crazy cuz he might be right man like there's there's really sophisticated one oh yeah you know there's and then there's ones that are very crude there's ones that is just like a bunch of letters and a bunch of numbers and it's someone just retweeting like patriotic things you're saying and you know okay I know what that is top tber SEC cyber security expert claims that more than 80% of Twitter accounts are probably Bots this is 2022 yeah so this was in the process of Elon buying this all this stuff was going on where people that's interesting yeah they were looking at this and they were saying like when did he buy it I think I was that's part of the Catalyst I thought cuz he wanted to find out how many were B right but they they told him it was 5% I think you mean old Jack what's his name the guy that ran Twitter yeah yeah yeah yeah but I think Elon felt like they didn't base it on enough of an analysis they they based on a small number of accounts I can't imagine it's 80% right I can't imagine it's crazy it does sound insane I I'm sure it's higher than 5% sure sounds higher than 5% tweeted Musk along with the tagging the news article okay so Dan Woods Global head of intelligence and cyber security company F5 who spent more than 20 years with the US federal law enforcement and intelligence organizations told the Australian that more than 80% of Twitter accounts are probably Bots that's so nuts yeah it's somewhere between five and 80 if he's even if he's halfway right even if it's 50% let's just say 50 40 let's even say 40% it's crazy 40 % of her Bots and then and but that is that's probably you're probably getting to to accurate because I think just a Chinese alone right and the Russians they invest an enormous amount of resource into this because they know it's effective right they know how damaging it can be and why wouldn't you right why would why wouldn't you and this cyber era you know it's it's a way to influence people's opinions it really is it's crazy how well it works yeah if you can if you can just get like arguments going on Twitter you know people get engaged in those AR and you to like start a fire and run away from it yeah yeah um can I ask you one more question yeah uh what is your what would be your best advice for uh interviewing people because like I said we're we we're starting this show and it's going to have guests on it do you have one thing that you've learned over the years in terms of talking to people and getting the best out of what they say I think it's just a number thing I don't think it's one thing I think it's like everything else like you you realize when you're being clunky like I do it all the time I real like I interrupted too quick like I I didn't know like when to step in when not to it happens all the time and so you always got to like try to get the most out of your guest that's my my idea when I go into a conversation is I I want to talk to and we're going to talk to each other but I'm just trying to get the most out of you you know I'm trying to encourage what you're saying just like ask more questions I'm trying to just genuinely engage with what you're saying and get the most out of you the problem with a lot of people when they host things is generally like you want to talk and so if you want to talk you start talking and then sometimes you talk too much and then the the guest isn't talk enough and it's like it's a balancing act but I always go into it like with the intention of like whatever this person's doing like help them make it the best version of this discussion that I can provide okay yeah no I know what what you mean about the cuz like you go on a news show and the question is 5 minutes you know and you think okay well that question includes a lot of the talking points that you producers asked me to send to you so so all right then um okay no that's yeah that that makes sense those shows are so limited man it's it's a real problem because if this is how most people consume complex information that it's too limited just just your explanation of all the [ __ ] that's going on with Gaza and Israel just just that alone that had to take 15 minutes right yeah yeah and you're you're making these like summaries that are easily digestible well yeah you and they'll say okay you got you know you we got 30 seconds left uh how are they going to solve the problem in Gaza Jesus Christ so so crazy it's just like that format of a limited amount of time to talk about complex things right in this day and age it just doesn't really make sense anymore but it's how people I mean whether it's that or whether it's the you know I get my news from Tik Tok I get my news from X I get no that's the way to get it Tik tok's the way to get it they're going to be the most honest there's defin when you find out the difference between American Tik Tok and Chinese Tik Tok oh God Chinese Tik tok's doing it right it's all like science achievements athletic performances martial arts yeah there's no way that X regime would never let their youth get on American Tik Tok do you think you could be a dude giving makeup tutorials and Chinese TI talk they'll [ __ ] find you they'll find you no it's true and so that's always a thing when when I talk to my kids about it and and uh you know I always tell them don't use Tik Tock don't get on tiktock you know it's but they're going to do it they're going to do it their friends are on it everybody's on it it's crack yeah it is those kids are cracked out it's an incredible time suck which again they know right the Chinese regime knows they understand this but but think about Tik Tok in terms of its disinformation capabilities going into election right and the White House has a problem right cuz the Biden campaign team has been using Tik Tok and at the same time they're trying to say we shouldn't use Tik Tok I think it's a danger it's a national security issue but we but we found it very effective for reaching the young market right and so they're they have no grounds to stand on when they talk about a national security issue they got a problem they got to figure that one out again not to not to get overly political dancing with the devil uh yeah you made a deal with she she sorry but if it's that's a thing is if like this is little dance they can make you more effective and make your opponents less effective that's a crazy manipulation of the way people think about things and you don't you don't think that that's true but it's just like what what percentage of what side of you getting if you're getting like 80% of your information that's very specific to one yeah ideology that's not good for anybody and kids aren't thinking about that it's been a progression right it used to be from The Daily Show with John Stewart that's where people young people get in their news right now they've aged out and now young people are are turning to Tik Tok and and and they're getting their news and they're not thinking okay of course they're not thinking about they're not thinking I wonder if the Chinese regime is is is you know constructing this in a certain way but of course they are and of course they understand the and and that's really the danger people talk about the danger of Tik Tok is their ability to harvest uh personal information right and that's a problem to some degree but the bigger problem is 170 million American users of Tik Tok being vulnerable and reachable by a Chinese regime that does not have our best interest at heart by any means right so that's the bigger issue I think rather than the harvesting of personal data which Amazon and Google and everybody else already has it right they got they got all that [ __ ] so it's not you know yes it's a hostile regime and yes they're harvesting your data but you know I think it's more of the I think it's more of the disinformation campaign and the potential for that that is the is the problem with with Tik Tok because if you can't control like I If rather if you can control if you can control exactly what percentage of stuff gets out like if someone if you can limit someone's reach like if someone posts something and it's some right-wing philosophy and they post that and they immediately tag it as such and limit its reach but then you take the other one and you expand its reach whatever the contrary position is and you promote it and you push it out everywhere how much of an effect does that have on young people well then that's and that's the whole point of the game anyway is to is is you know you're suppressing and you're promoting and and again you're doing it to an audience for the most part that is very vulnerable to and so I yeah I I'm again I don't know that that they're going to ban Tik Tok um somebody's going to come in and view that as as an opportunity buy right and I think so they will be able to sell it even though right now bite dance is saying absolutely not we're not going to sell it you know I think they I think they probably will right I don't see them Banning it from U from App Stores so I mean think about The Angst that would create amongst the Twins and the te I think the fear is the language that's being used here though too right that this could be interpreted as the ability to censor other social media sites sure yeah yeah yeah and that you really can't give the government that power especially based on what they saw on the Twitter files yeah you can't justess if you're if you're looking at suppress accurate information because you don't like what what you think that's going to do for an election like that doesn't seem like you should be able to do that this this seems like that's that should be that that's not good don't do that if you if you develop an organization that is allowed to do that to all of social media by law you're you're in territory that's real slippery now because it's just so ripe for corruption right and it always goes back to this which you talked about before which which is this idea that well okay one president can do this to you know another former president and the next one goes the next one goes and it's the same problem right hey maybe sounds good to us right now to to censor something or to uh suppress something but we're not going to be in charge forever unless they figured that out um how they can be in charge forever it's so dangerous it's so dangerous that it's it's so ubiquitous it's so everywhere and you don't know how much of what people are seeing is being manipulated right right well again you know not to not to beat a dead horse but you know if people could take away one idea it's that you gotta it's incumbent upon you and you know whether it's for you or whether it's for the sake of your kids to to be curious and to actually make the [ __ ] effort to understand what it is that you're seeing and reading and hearing and yes it takes time and you know maybe it sounds daunting and you'd rather have the government do it right but that's that's that's not a good idea right I think it comes down to individual responsibility like a lot of things in life and I don't know that I'm optimistic about that as being the solution but I don't see another way around it right I mean you we can detect we can we can create apps to protect and be proactive you can do all those things which are incredibly important but ultimately it comes down to the individual and if they don't take it upon themselves yeah to go back to our earlier point then you know [ __ ] yeah well I have uh hope Look At You Look At You glass half full I'm I'm a half full kind of guy these days I I feel like uh that's cuz you got kids it's also because um I I know that most people are good people and that I think people get swept up in Madness and I think they get swept up in tribalism and that's a real problem with someone that's as polarizing As Trump right yeah and the real problem because you have to accept the nonsense that Biden is okay if you're on the left like both of them are like they they they lock up like the [ __ ] Dolphins versus the Raiders and then people get on teams man they're like [ __ ] the Dolphins you know that's what it is it's just people people get super [ __ ] tribal it's in our nature we have to fight to avoid it yeah and the more extreme that you get on one side the more extreme the other side gets and they because they think look and again you get this this not that I'm saving the country one side or the other right both sides the hard edges of both sides feel like they're the ones that are trying to save the country yeah and they have to win just like they want the Yankees to win it's it's really like that it becomes the number one team it's the biggest Sport and you know that's why it's important to have a big personality it's part of the whole stupidity of it all yeah and AI is going to save us from that you think that yeah you is going to take over much better government it's going to be a much better government it won't even be controlled At All by people it runs on its own algorithm that it created after it realized the flaws in the way human beings are processing reality do you know what the US government's trying to do right now they're trying to get China and Russia to sign up to an agreement essentially an international treaty that would ensure that AI does not uh alone run uh nuclear weapons systems right and there's no treaty that prev there treaty prevents uh taking the out of that decision process oh my God so I mean the Russians did during the Soviet Union days so they're going to be playing like some kind of crazy world war chess game with supercomputers yeah but right now it's it's the US has committed to this idea that we're not going to take the human out but the Russians and Chinese have not then no one's going to commit to that why would you commit to that the best weapon of all time we already said that these fighter pilots exactly can't compete with these things that are AI controlled that's nuts yeah it's a it's it's it's a problem I was about to say there there's a statement of the obvious Top Gun 3 is [ __ ] what are they going to do I did not see what is Top Gun 3 going to do I didn't see Top Gun 2 well you're unamerican sir did you watch it I watched a little bit of it it was fun it was fun I just couldn't I wasn't in the mood to locking that that vibration I know I know it's a fun kind of movie though it was it was a one time for me it was Top Gun was a kind of a one time Top Gun was [ __ ] great it was a great movie it great Goose God yeah but and I I will say I'm very impressed with Carl he I haven't heard him snore this entire show he's kept it together today he's holding it together God he's a cute dog he's the cutest yeah all right anything else no man I I sufficiently scared the [ __ ] out of us I'm sorry about that man always do but uh again we have hope this is always a pleasure man I just I I love this and and you know I've said it before but you know the time flies by you sit down you think I don't know I don't know if I've got enough to say in in in the time here and and you always you know yeah you always take it someplace like the Kendrick Lamar thing I still still [ __ ] worried about that yeah I hope they hug it out all right thank you Mike appreciate you people bye [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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Published: Wed May 08 2024