Joe Rogan Experience #2135 - Neal Brennan

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day on in sketches I could save for the air but we're on the air oh we are on the air yeah we're rolling I just turned my monitor around cuz I could see myself and I didn't want to be but what in sketches I'll just open up with a Chappelle story cuz that's what everybody thinks they do anyway Dave would be watching himself on the Monitor and then and I'd be like I don't know man just be in it and then i' turn i' tell the cameraman to turn around i''d be like did Neil tell you to turn it around so so he couldn't watch himself it just felt like you're just if you're doing Rick James maybe just be Rick James not see yourself as Rick James maybe it like affirmed that was Rick James well James would look at a monitor Absol that character I would imagine that's actually a good move by the way rest in peace oh my God Rest in Peace juice we lost the juice we love you juice juice we love you Sim tripley uh posted something on Twitter today it was OJ Simpson it just said I did it he he posted on Instagram oh but I guarantee that that's fake it looks like a fake tweet yeah I watched there's a lot of fake tweets there's a video of uh a compilation of Norm doing OJ jokes and it's 11 minutes and I watched it I watched it and then went back and started it was It's So Glorious it was so relentless he was so good he was so [ __ ] funny we're talking about OJ no he was Norm was so [ __ ] funny and the glint in his eyes and half the time he was bombing on SNL cuzz it wasn't really his crowd right and he didn't care no he did not care and he kind of got fired for it well he had a he had a view you know he had a he had a a frequency that he was on and Comics loved it and the audience loved it but yeah it wasn't wasn't necessarily SNL yeah it was the the audience audiences audiences at home liked it yeah it's 11 minutes Norm just like and then this stare after the punchline as it's either working or not it's just glorious skinny Norm look how skinny he is there yep suit too big yeah and yeah they didn't it wasn't like well well uh wasn't like lauded within SNL it was like his own like gorilla unit him and this guy Jim Downey who wrote kind of all of it themselves well SNL seems like they hand cap themselves like they're handcuffing themselves back then it was but less less back then but now for sure I haven't watched very much I'm I'm me and Jo are friends I haven't I just haven't seen it in a long time he's funny yeah Jo is very funny but like and uh but but I haven't seen it I I yeah I haven't seen it I had a sketch that I wanted Jo I wrote so the so the weak Shane got fired whatever unhired I thought of a sketch and I texted I was going to be in New York and I have S I had like a sort of open door policy at SNL where I could just write because I wrote there with Dave so so I had a sketch idea for Joe where it's like it was a it was a couple is getting rid of to they're in bed and they're like so any um STDs you want to you want to tell me about they're like no I'm cleaning the uh any uh podcasts and we wrote and then it was like I did one it was it was like it was a good idea about Shane but like whatever and then we wrote it and then it kind of got sheld like the my understanding was some of the people at the show didn't appreciate this and then I was hoping Joe I was going to text Shane and be like hey there's a sketch you should do but I don't want to be like there's room for a show like well Gillian keeves is that if you watch Gillian kees I mean I think I've seen a couple [ __ ] amazing It's [ __ ] amazing it's underappreciated within the the Gillian kees fans it's really appreciated but the mainstream does not know how good those sketches are he does uh only only fans dad a dad who needs to make money and so he he does only fans it's [ __ ] insane it's insane he does this Trump speed dating sketch oh my god oh that one I think I saw that so good they're so good because it's Buck Wild because they're on the internet and patreon and you kind of get away with doing whatever the [ __ ] you want and it just has to be funny and but that's really you can't do that anywhere you know if you're on a network television you're dealing with so many Executives they're all terrified and everyone's scared and everyone's ideologically captured and there's certain things you can't joke around about and it's like God there's so much ground you can't cover and it's just you handicap yourself you just you just handcuff yourself well it's also the the as two aged men who have seen many parts of many eras of Show Business it seem it's it's so the whole thing has got the the TV now feels like uh 78-year-old woman who still thinks she's fine and it's like [ __ ] you're not fine no more you don't got to carry yourself like like you like you know everyone wants to [ __ ] me it's like not really you you have have all like the props from when everyone want to [ __ ] you but there's a lot of other women out here now and they still think they haven't really adjusted they kind of can't right you know what I mean like how do you reduce Network television how do you reduce late night TV how do you reduce sketch shows how do you it's all still has to be what it always was the format is just it's so restrictive the fact that you have to break for commercials the fact that you have a specific amount of time all that is just you can't compete with the internet because of that it's just you just can't and then you have all the meddling I mean you've done networks I mean you dealt with Comedy Central was [ __ ] insane over there it was insane trying to tell them what is funny and what is not funny I will say after six episodes of Chappelle Show they actually said I believe the quote was we don't understand your show so kind of just do whatever you want they really said like we don't understand it's funny right well that was the thing there was a there was a they we we did the sketch the mad real world and one of the execs said like it's an unfunny it's a collection of unfunny scenes back to back and I and I was like well could we at least show it to the audience do you mind and then we showed it and it crushed of course and then I kind it's the only and I and I and I got in the EXA kind of ear and I was like I heard what you said about this and she was like hey Neil take it oh they were bad cuz I was like I was kind of attached to it I was attached to it and I was also very I knew it's with any of these things you know you Dave any anyone who's a star of the show they're jumping out of the plane let them pack their own shoot you know what I mean like you're jumping out of the plane if you don't want to say it or you're not confident in it then you shouldn't have to say it right and they wanted to pack the shoot the way they thought a shoot a parachute should be packed and it's like no let the jumper do it and if it doesn't work then you guys can it's really like someone who's watched surgery who wants to cut it's it's so dumb it's so dumb they don't know what they're doing and they their instincts are almost always wrong and if they're lucky they find someone who's really good who can kind of work around their nonsense and still create a quality show but a lot of the times it just gets in the way so much that you you get like six 50% 70% of what you could have had yeah and you got to come you got to also hope that you get they that the audience overwhelms the network meaning South Park got off to a hot start well South Park was South Park before Comedy Central was Comedy Central right Comedy Central they were a little Wilder back then Comedy Central was kind of the Renegade yeah you know and then South Park became so undeniable you had to just leave them alone they were so good you just had to go just shut the [ __ ] up and leave them alone alone yeah and that kind of has to happen so like and it kind of happened with Chappelle Show pretty quickly like after the blind white supremacist there was first episode to they were kind of like oh and then the ratings were good so they kind of didn't they tried to medal but they kind of their heart wasn't in it it hit a cultural Landmark yeah it hit it hit this thing where Chappelle show was the show it's like when is it on when is it on again yeah whereas the man show was more like ah yeah you know it's doing pretty good I think maybe we could help it somehow yeah or there it's you kind of either want to you need to if you you just have to succeed in a big way and then they'll stop yeah they it has to be so undeniable that they have to get out of the way and you have to actually say that you got to get out of the way like leave us alone if you don't leave us alone yeah if you don't leave us alone we're not going to do it and and that's the only way to do it it's like that format is just so limiting and you know that format was all that existed and that was the essential format for television it was the only way to do it you had commercials you had an 800 p.m. time slot this is all simple you have 44 minutes with commercials do it what would you do if you were the owner of NBC univer you know what I mean like I don't know what these companies should do Comedy Central is basically a production company now like they don't yeah well they're doing the right thing I think in switching to streaming right so it's just a matter of being able to get enough quality stuff on streaming and get people over there so they they're going to have to Shell out a lot of money for big properties and they've done that with like you know Disney's done that and Paramount's done that and a few of these viable streaming platforms have managed to make like really good shows and put them on streaming and they can still do that you know like there's shows like Shogun you know which is just [ __ ] so good but you know it exists in both it exists in streaming and on television and and they they kind of make it for that you you know you still have the commercial breaks but when you watch on streaming you just get the full episode yeah I also think there's probably very little input from advertisers meaning right if something's popular people will just want to advertise on it they won't give a [ __ ] what the message is it family hour is this does this line up with Proctor and Gamble's values or any of that [ __ ] right it's just like uh yeah are their eyeballs let's go yeah but even then I mean there's people that try to push back even against Shogun there was this thing about like wiring their no black people on Shogun like well what do you think it's about it's about Japan it's like what are you talking about Japan the 1600s like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you this is exactly what it is yeah I hope that didn't get very far no it doesn't get far but it's like they try and that's the indicative of the kind of pressures that those people feel behind the scenes yeah cuz behind the scenes it's all a bunch of grifters it's all a bunch of network executive grifters that are all just working a DE EI angle and they're trying to make like where's the diversity I mean how many times have you had pitches where you bring it in they're like where's the diversity like I don't have that problem because I generally come with a diverse you I am Mr White diversity but like I hear you and yeah I don't the the Dei behind the scenes [ __ ] I think that they're just they're scared they're just scared there's just like what's the latest priority culturally so they go like we have to service that priority or I'm gonna get in some kind of trouble 100% And they don't know they don't they they're just blowing in the wind and they're so Expendable you can move Network Executives around like chest pieces you just move them around like get rides yeah not even chest pieces yeah it's not even Tic Tac Toe yeah just move them along they don't matter they really don't matter and basically anybody could do that job as long as you have good quality television as long as the people that are making it you know the the Paul Sims of the world the people that make like really good shows just leave them the [ __ ] alone and they'll make great things well yeah that's the thing I always want to say it's like my standards are higher than yours well you actually understand I want to bomb less than you do right I'm more I don't want this to go poorly I understand that it's because they're basely backseat drivers they kind of are like extra like overc cranked yeah but like you know I I'm worried I'm more worried than you I'm again jumping out of the plane yeah let me pack the parachute but that's that's why that's not why they moved to LA well they also want to make their mark on everything that's exactly right they want to jiz in the soup every chance they can there was a thing uh I remember on when we were doing Half Baked I wanted to do uh I wanted to say hey let us do what we want and then at the end we'll pass around a hat and you guys can take credit for something like oh the title okay that's not bad H the cat like just take we just let us do the [ __ ] thing right but that's they want to do the [ __ ] thing yeah always they want you to get started you you get the started and then I'll come in and be a producer I'll be my what I imagined a producer was yeah and they but they don't have any original I mean but the good news is you kind of defeated them I mean podcast YouTube Etc it's like they're on there it's hard not to kind of curb them well it's just they almost can't compete with the instantaneous access the free access you can get it anywhere get it on your phone you get it on a tablet get it on your computer you get it anywhere and it's available anytime you want it you can pause it you can leave you don't have to wait for a time slot you watch all of them when they come out it's just that that format that exists like the Netflix format of releasing the entire season of show you can't compete with that people love that they love binging they love it they they love the fact that it's available anytime you want it they love the fact there's no commercials all that [ __ ] is just they're just trapped and if I was a network executive if I was at the top of the food chain I would be really thinking like is there another way to do this does it have to be this way does it have to be commercial breaks because nobody watches those they're not good they're not funny okay but you I've heard and I haven't experienced because I haven't made a show of Netflix other than stand up the there are things that they they need you to hit certain [ __ ] by minute 10 uh the end of every episode has to be a cliffhanger oh really that's what I've heard I haven't experienced firsthand but so so it's as a you know Show creator I wonder if there is a imperative to want it it's you kind of want to know the the information in terms of like when do people turn the [ __ ] off right when do it will will it I heard something like if they watch the first three then they'll watch 10 like you have to so they're like frontload the first three with plot character maybe SE I don't even know what the so I'm kind of talking out of my ass a little bit but I do know that they have information so it's a formula that they're yeah that they want it's like you want people to watch your [ __ ] or not yeah like I I I in my my new special 53 minutes cuz I don't need it i' never I've never been like oh good it's an hour 20 I it's never better longer to me and I 53 minutes is perfect yeah it's perfect uh and I mve jokes up I was like that's a that joke that's it's like when you do the live show the first really big laugh like in my live show is probably at I think it was at 11: and I so in in Netflix I moved it up to like seven or eight mhm you know what I mean like the big big like oh [ __ ] like a different energy laugh move it up that's weird though but I but it's it's a for I'm de I'm meeting them where they are yeah you know what I mean I know what you're saying yeah but like I don't feel like I'm selling myself out or like I'm the Integrity of my ACT it's like that's just how I did it right you're just formatting it for this very specific system as opposed to a live show yeah where you're like setting things up and yeah and at a live show can't go anywhere they're there they're there they want at home they can watch everything ever recorded yeah right I'm competing with everything that's ever been made The Godfather yeah can I beat is this better than the Godfather Apocalypse Now Yep heat yep that's right rocky rocky anything all of it and every comedy special every one of and Norm yep and OJ and Patrice yeah everything all the old stuff all the new stuff everything all together yep it's an insane time for your attention like try to Captivate people's attention now it's just it's an insane proposition there's just so much available are you I mean what's funny is you kind of it's you're not it's not even the tortoise in the hair you just haven't changed you're just like I don't know I just talk for [ __ ] three hours well this is what I did in the beginning so I just keep doing what I do I do it because I like doing it this way and in the beginning like Ari was the first one he was like you got to edit it you have to edit it no one want listen to 3 hours I'm like then don't listen it's that simple I don't care I'm just going to do the best thing that I can do do it how I feel like doing it and that's it yeah but you know that doesn't work for most people most of the time most of the time it doesn't work but it works well I'm not even you know it worked but I'm saying like do you ever think about why or do you even give a [ __ ] um it's none of your business I think if you think about why you'll second guess your own instincts yeah and that's never good yeah cuz they've been good to me so far I know what I'm I just stick with me I know what I like and if I'm actually genuinely interested in that thing this subject I think other people will as well like if I bring on someone who's a beekeeper I don't think wow this going to be a big episode all I think is like I'm interested in bees I want to talk to someone who's really interested in bees like tell me what how do you do it what's going on what's H what what is your T do you look at which episodes do well or you just fir wallet none of your business none of my business yeah I don't care I don't pay attention I mean I know I hear I hear this one's huge this one's huge whatever I don't pay attention I just this is what I'm interested in I want to talk to this guy I had a mush I had Paul stamus on yesterday mushroom expert amazing [ __ ] Proto guy's got his own protocol I know that's his stuff right there host defense um all is this no no no that's uh agaran and uh turkey tail that's his uh immune uh stack that he uses there's there's all sorts of uh medicinal mushrooms that have no psychoactive effects and do is any of this stuff proven yeah yeah there's peer reviewed studies random controlled trials double blind Placebo controlled styles with a gacon yeah we talked about that yesterday too yeah he's a real scientist so what the stuff that he does is uh very very legit and you know he's also he's very diligent and the way he sources the mushrooms they test them find out which ones have efficacy which ones don't because you can have he was explaining that a garon they've identified he has 107 strains that he has personally and out of those strains they've identified at least four of them that are like the most hyper beneficial and they haven't tested them all but those four then that's the ones they sell great yeah and then some of them are different from different things like some of them are better for pox viruses where other ones are better for uh RNA viruses it's very very interesting very interesting what they've done good I mean I mean yeah that's you know this [ __ ] is it's cool it's we have lived in a time with a a good amount of change yeah oh there's a lot of change there's a lot of change going on for better and worse yeah I don't know how much worse uh there's a lot of confusion but I think ultimately there's more information and that's always better and there's more freedom of communication although there's a lot of attempts at restricting freedom of communication there's still more Avenues of communication than there's ever been before which is almost always good and and we've talked about this before but the trusting that people can people can figure it out yeah well they have to learn to figure it out just like people had to learn what things to eat that are poison and what things are edible you know like you have to learn that and we have to learn that with information we have to learn that with everything we have to learn that with styles of communication we have to learn that with you know people that are really shitty to people like people don't like that that's not necessary and learn that we people need to learn that and that's how you learn it you learn it by watching people sort of get ahead just by being [ __ ] and it only go so far and the audience turns on them and then you know recognize that some people are just you know communicators and just calm and nice and that's better and you could still get all the same information and still have interesting debates and conversations you don't have to be a [ __ ] yeah the the I because I think about I'm not very so I feel like you're paranoid or not paranoid you're skeptical of control right yeah and I T and I and I always go why am I not skeptical of control like compared to you or compared to a guy like Dave who's also very skeptical of any sort of Authority or uh institution and I think I was thinking I'm so glad to not be under the Catholic church anymore that everything is better right to me like the government I don't give a [ __ ] like I truly don't Apple you want to listen in good I don't give a [ __ ] you can't send me to hell so I don't even care if you overhear me I don't I just this is better than the way I grew up right even uh and then I'm but I am I'm skeptical it's it's one of those yin-yang things where I'm skeptical of too much uh information chaos you know it really I'm sure there this will be probably the balance of the next at least 20 years well information chaos is also engineered that's one thing to take into consideration that information chaos is not always organic and I agree but and then what about that if if if you know Russia China are en are enemies in quotes wink wink whatever yep like what you know if somebody somebody's Dave made a point that if you're if a country has racial divisions anyway and then and an outside actor so you know FS them it's the country's fault for having them in the first place and it's like yeah but that's kind of [ __ ] because like if there's a marriage that is having trouble and then someone comes in and [ __ ] with it that's the outside person's fault the because the married people want it to be good you know what I mean like America's going to have conflict naturally and I think it's natural to have that and it's okay to have that and we need to figure that out but the once the outside actor comes in I still blame the outside actor for fomenting and that's and I feel the same way with the information stuff like I'm I'm with you in terms of like we do need freedom but I still blame the outside actor for coming and creating more chaos I think it's an unavoidable evil if you're going to have freedom you're going to have the freedom of bots you're going to have the freedom of people that hire people in these troll Farms where they have thousands and thousands of accounts and they just push different narratives and they get involved you know we had Renee Desta on once who studied this and one of the things that she studied one of the things that Russia had done during the 2016 uh election was the creation of memes and some of them were really funny and they were memes that were very specifically designed to push certain narratives and make fun of certain things and that they had made so many accounts thousands and thousands of accounts they had actually organized uh a Texas secession meeting across the street from another meeting was so it's so like Monty Pyon meeting yeah they wanted these people to be fighting with each other and they do that online constantly there's so many times where I'll see something that's contentious something that's uh socially something that's like very explosive and then I'll look in the comments and I'll see some outrageous statements and it's like a couple of letters and a number for the the the account and I'll click on the account and I'll go into oh it's a fake account how many of those are there there's [ __ ] hundreds of thousand if not Millions there was an FBI analyst that uh that did an estimation and he thinks that there's 80% he thinks 80% of the Twitter accounts that are in that in circulation at least at the time were trolls mhm 80% and so that would be part of the information chaos thing that that I'm like a bit like this is going to be bad it's bad now and it's probably only get worse with AI and all that [ __ ] and and I don't but I don't know what the I don't know if we talked about this but like if there was a governing body you know let's say like over not let's say over all of social media sort of morality or whatever or ethics MH who would you even put on it you can't it can't be done it can't be done because the government can't be trusted because they're doing it right but let's govern invol the people elected it do you know what I mean if there was a way to get the right get around the government it's not possible for in like I who who John Stewart yeah but they would people would have access to that like John Stewart couldn't talk about China on Apple so he right he left he left yeah it doesn't work no I'm with you I'm but that's that's corporate I'm saying like who are even I think the solution is more complex the the solution is the solution is technology ramped up to a point where lying is impossible and I think that is going to be tied you're going to be able to have opinions but lying about specific facts I think is going to be far more difficult with widespread use of AI and also when people have Universal ability to translate languages instantaneously right now it's a little clunky you could read tweets and you could say translate the Tweet you can you can do things like that but you don't necessarily know what the [ __ ] is going on when it's Universal when you're going to have instantaneous translation into that you're you're going to it's going to be far more difficult to deceive people when you have instantaneous access to AI which is as long as the AI is not biased which we've seen AI is programmed and the Google AI you know founding we talked about this like eight years ago when I pitched uh Robo president and then it became if there's a ro if there's an AI president then it's the thing that's going to be argued about is what information are we loading in right right and what are the values that the AI has like is the values for the human race is the values for New York City is the value for the country in general yeah what is the values and what what is it's uh imperative like what is it trying to do yeah it's but the thing is like that's rudimentary AI as AI scales up and gets far more advanced and it's going to happen very quickly it's going to bypass all that stuff and it's going to come up with some sort of a moral ethical Foundation that everybody is going to have to operate under that's it's going to be very weird Neil and it's going to be very re weird very quickly very quickly I totally agree with you yeah I completely agree with you I mean in some ways whenever I hear about AI I'm like help us AI come and when they're like it may obliterate us I'm like but if it doesn't please help us AI please help us get out of all this garbage we've gotten ourselves into yeah it could both help us and obliterate us it's it's going to be a wild ride it's going to be a wild ride and it's what when do you think it'll be four years at the most and four years were [ __ ] and four years the everything's tossed everything's [ __ ] I mean there's so many things that that are just we kind of like let slide today that won't be a you're not going to be able to let like Congressional insider trading slide it's going it's going to be a real problem you're not going to be able to have bills where you have a border funding bill that also has funding for Ukraine like there's all that kind of stuff is going to have to go by the wayside you think AI will prevent that yeah how come well because people will be able to analyze everything about every bill instantaneously it's not going to be as simple as you know you have to sit down and read a 20 th page bill it's going to be AI is going to break it down and it's also going to break down who the people are that propos the bill and then also what the influences these people have in terms of who their donors are and you're going to get like very specific breakdowns of what all these things are and people will be far more informed I my feeling on that is that people are in some ways are informed and we're all kind of powerless to change it there's a little bit of that right now you know what I mean like citizens united or like dark money astroturfing or or or porkin bills or tying things together or emergency it's just all this [ __ ] of like how the [ __ ] are we supposed to even move the needle at all as people right at all it's It seems impossible the way the shit's set up yeah it definitely does now and I don't in AI doesn't seem like oh I don't think that I don't think the problem is a lack of understanding I think the problem is a a it's the system set up so that it's the only way to get a law made is like getting a building name you got to have 10 million bucks yeah there's a little bit of that going on too I mean it's there's no way to run for president unless you have hundreds of millions of dollars backing you which is just insane it's insane and money and there's no to run for Senate without without a you know 100 right you're you're getting a job that's $150,000 a year and you're spending people in the primary have a hundred yeah sweet isn't that nuts is that nuts people like ncky Haley that had no chance of being president had hundreds of millions of dollars behind them yeah and that's just like oh fourth runner up yeah congratulations yeah it's a it's it's and I don't and that's one of those things where like how does AI help us Supreme Court's locked in for as long as they live [ __ ] insane yeah until you die a star CH like a Sci-Fi Star Chamber until you die wow that's a horrible idea it's not even dependent upon whether or not your ideas are even they even make sense like did you see Kenji Brown Jackson who they asked her what a woman is and she said I'm not a biologist like right but you're a woman like maybe take a crack at that you know what's funny is because you you go more right you go to her and I'm thinking AO you go did you see what's whatever I'm just talking about one specific thing that's ridiculous you ask me what a man is I can tell you what a man is and I'm not a biologist either but I am a man yep uh yeah so the I do worry about I to me it's not even a lack of information sometimes it's a lack of information I mostly think it's rigged against the people it's rigged against the Citizens to not have any Say in any of this [ __ ] it definitely is somewhat but you also do need someone who actually understands the law to withhold the Constitution to uphold it and to make sure that like you don't pass things that do violate very core tenants of how our society is structured what did AO do that was oh I don't know I'm just as a liberal I'm just like it seems like those guys want to like get I'm pretty liberal I'm just liberal what a liberal used to be right you know no that's what I saying you learn more lean more right I learned I don't even lean more right I lean more Center which is right now like it's just it's so the left has gone to so far to the left it's gone so far into this strange territory this bizarre land of cult-like thinking it's very strange uh it's driven by the it's sort of everyone's afraid of upsetting uh the it's the tyranny of the minority no one can say hey do me a favor shut the [ __ ] up or we're going to lose all of this right if we make this about just your your minor grievance or issue we're going to lose the whole thing but they it becomes about the various you know di or transgender or whatever all these things that are that are not unimportant but they're just not the most important and no you're not allowed to say to someone anymore your [ __ ] is not the most important thing because of what the ego Mania of our culture everyone's issue is the the number one issue and it's like no it's the number one issue for you but it's not the number one issue for half of the population of the country well it's also the thing is if you oppose any of these protected ideas you'll get you get attacked yeah you get attacked and labeled as the worst thing possible whatever that is when you're in when you agree with them in 99% of other issues but they because it's they just prioriti it's just this thing of like no this is it's like the kids playing soccer where it's just running a bunch of this is the most important thing and it's like is this really and you can't go the [ __ ] you talking about you have to go yes uh I honor you have to start bowing and I honor you have to do the Nancy Pelosi down on a knee with the K claw and it's like no that's an important issue it can't be the it might not be the most important issue and then they go well then we're not we're going to withhold our vote oh really you're a [ __ ] child yeah and you don't understand the way politics work if you're going to withhold your vote because of one issue yeah uh and it happens and it's just and it's also a revolving thing of like we're going to withhold because of Israel we're going to withhold because of transgender we're going to withhold because of Dei we're going to withhold uh on and on and on and on yeah and it's as someone who is on their side it's a bit like oh please shut the [ __ ] up yeah because you're going to blow this for all of us well each party becomes captured by the most extreme versions of know you look at the right the right gets captured by you know what people think of the right they think of like proud boys or something like that they think of or guns just the left they think of or now abortion yeah yeah there always something there's always something that's ridiculous and there are and then you and then it turns out that like the Republican stats on abortion are like 55% of Republicans think abortion should be le you know what I mean and it's like well then how the [ __ ] did they because it's you know it's almost like they did it's they always about Republicans they like the dog who caught the car MH you know like they they they use uh abortion as a you know driving issue thinking like it'll never happen and then they it happen they're like oh [ __ ] yeah okay I guess it's I guess Arizona goes okay we're going back to 1864 or whatever it's a law from the 1800s that they upheld two days ago well it's always interesting how ignorant people are about the W the rest of the world too like I'm going to Europe where women have have the right to choose well go to France because they have a limitation there too it's like I think it's looks up also try to get a try to get it citizenship how you going to do that how you going to do it look it up once but they haven't looked it up yeah I've been doing a joke about how American women are like American men are the worst and I'm like who do you think's coming who do you who's coming Italian Guys first of all they're bringing their moms that's a and b you're going to have to start cooking dinner at 2:15 every afternoon I hope you're happy well that's the least of your worri Sharia law I mean that's the the ultimate punch line it's like Middle Eastern guys I'm not even going to finish this joke because it's they don't have the best sense of humor about about their yeah but if you look up like look up genital mutilation yeah it's really Grim yeah uh in terms of the what these other guys are out here doing ladies not like us American hero men no but it is it really is like a pretty people don't look it they just they like suking yeah well also there's so many issues that most people are just not informed they just know what their side goes with and so they adhere to whatever the whatever the doctrine is I was I remember looking up abortion laws worldwide four or five years ago and be like oh it wasn't as like blanket as I thought well Burr had the best bit on that I think you should have the right to choose but I also think you're killing a baby yeah yeah uhhuh I mean at a certain point in time it is a baby it's the question is like who gets to the side right that's the whole thing of when because I did a joke uh like uh I you know liberals have to support everybody not fetuses uh and and the New York Times wrote me up like I just saw Neil bernon do a sort of anti-abortion joke Jo and it was like joining Bill Burr and George Carlin and I was like are you trying to insult me goes thank you for that [ __ ] uh Barbed insult but but yeah like the even knowing when even if you go no I believe it doesn't start it's all sort of ah scientist it's like the heartbeat or the fetal whatever it's all a bit like you're all guessing yeah and I will also I'll admit I'm guessing it's just which guess uh suits my needs you know what I mean like if I'm if I got a girl that I'm not trying to be with who's who's uh who's pregnant who's whose period's late I'm like I believe in abortion to the fifth trimester like I believe in it late whereas if I'm if I'm you know not if I'm 65 and can't get somebody or whatever probably can't get 65 whatever whatever age there is no age of alpino just had a kid alino is 80 years old I know [ __ ] 80 years old yeah and he also wanted to make sure the kid was his which is like a great way to start somebody I know was doing pickup at school with with DeNiro like recently was just like I can't believe you're still doing this well isn't this is like I mean how many times has he been married these guys just did just Dive Right Back In yeah I've never understood that I've never understood that need like ruer moch just did it R M just got engaged I think they're just comfortable with having a partner and they just don't want to exist in this weird state where they're texting people and calling people especially when you're in your 70s try you're trying to hook up don't get me wrong it's humiliating right I bet if you're a 70-year-old famous guy and you get divorced I bet I bet it's probably pretty easy to find someone new who like plays the role and probably pretty easy to get duped pretty EAS yeah cuz they know yeah like the time is I if I'm the girl I'm like time I just got to ride this baby out yeah all you have to do is just be the right person that this guy needs for a small amount of time and you don't have to work ever ever again ever like if you're a person who's running around there scratching out 60 70 grand a year and barely getting by and then you hook up with in order to change your life you just have to need to you need to stand in Robert Dao's ey line yeah with what my friend calls available Sexual Energy yeah available Sexual Energy and just be nice just be nice to him it's all he needs just uh talk to you're candy striping yeah you just don't you don't have to work hard don't be offensive don't be rude don't don't [ __ ] with him don't insult them don't play the same games that You' play with a 30-year-old guy that doesn't have any money n Play play a different game if he doesn't text you back it's cuz he doesn't know how to text Sweetie cuz he's a [ __ ] old dude or he can't he doesn't have his glasses so he can't see what you wrote him a lot of this yep that's the sad part about being Rh is any any time I go look at this meme all my friends have to put glasses on and start holding like Christ [ __ ] humiliation you can mitigate some of that um there's a there's there's certain vitamins that you could take that stop macular degeneration um pure encapsulations has a macular support formula but doesn't work it's legit yeah it stopped it stopped it for me for you yeah totally stopped it totally stopped it you were like do you wear glasses cont I can yeah iar I I wear glasses when I write you know I wear reading glasses when I write but I can look at my phone no problem I could read websites no problem did it get better or it just stopped got a little better yeah little better with red light too red light therapy you have a red light bed that I lie in and that do you are your eyes open yeah yeah keep your eyes open and uh you're laying in a bed yeah it's just staring at red lights just chilling usually I just listen to books yeah I would like to do that cuz it's it gets it's worse it just gets it's such a bummer Ari got surgery he got Lasix on his eyes and then his eyes got worse after the surgery they got better that can happen sometimes right well you have the natural course of macular degeneration that takes place as you age so his eyes were great at first like this is great I don't have to wear glasses anymore and then couple years later five six seven years later starts getting really shitty again and it's just they go yeah that's just what yeah I think that happened to Bill Mar too it got wor he couldn't he kept getting lasic I maybe I'm remembering this wrong and then at a certain point they're like we can't lasic you in you just have to wear glasses that's scary getting more and more ey surgeries is [ __ ] terrifying yeah that's that's probably the the one that makes you wince the most those those videos it doesn't go well every time like there's certain times where people get infections or it just doesn't heal or you just your eyes are [ __ ] you have a halo around lights and [ __ ] oh yeah I have a friend who can't drive at night he got Lasix and now he can't drive at night I think I I would murder the doctor if that happened to me he was so upset because he's like I could have driven at night and just worn glasses when I had to read things he goes now I can't drive at night cuz if he headlights see him it's just like he's just blinded by Halos he can't see around the circle like he doesn't know where the car is where the headlight is he just sees this circle of light that surrounds things like headlights and street lights just terrible um yeah I don't that would that would make me so that would make me feel so sorry for myself if I went for surgery and was like worse off yeah that's a problem with some surgeries and the problem with surgeons is that you know when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail MH and you know that's the only solution I mean yeah that's most you know I've had a bunch of surgeries that I avoided where the doctor's like you're going to need surgery and I was like are you [ __ ] sure like are you sure and shoulders [ __ ] like that shoulders is the big one yeah I W up getting stem cells and my back I had uh bulging discs and they were like you got to get that trimmed and I was like are you sure that's the only way to do it it's not the only way to do it decompression stem cells fixed it I hav zero problems yeah zero problems with my neck zero problems with my shoulder I had a full length rotator cuff tear on my shoulder and they were like you're going to need surgery 100% And I went back to the doctor 6 months later it's like this is [ __ ] crazy like that that tear doesn't exist anymore what did you do stem cells and direct into it yeah direct into it yeah and all was it did you have to go far did was it just like local I did it well I did it in Vegas and I did it in LA I did it several times and I I think I did three injections in my shoulder and then six months later I got another MRI and they're like you don't have a tear anymore this the doctor was blown away cuz this was all you know we're talking about uh I think my injury was like 2015 2016 somewhere around then so this was all fairly recent in terms of like the amount of the kind of results they were getting and this doctor had never seen anything like it he was blown away he'd been an orthopedic surgeon for 20 years did you have to do anything did you have to rehab it or I did re I did Regular rehab like once I got the surgery I did like I do but you're trying to bring back what do you bring you're regenerating tissue you're regenerating rehab help you with that or is that just it strengthens it I think the the rehab with the stem that the key is it's like not injuring it while you're healing and the problem is it starts feeling better and then you start pushing then you reag gravate the injury and then you're in this repetitive cycle but if you can avoid that like um my friend Shane Dorian he's a big wave surfer and he got serious stem cells down in uh Tijana where they could do wild [ __ ] and he got his entire back done so they put him under and they do every disc in his back and they're like you can't do anything like you can only walk for like a couple months like that's all you could do and for a guy like him who's a world champion Surfer and he's an athlete and he's always exercising he's always doing something was crazy to just not all you can do is walk but now he feels [ __ ] incredible and it's just has the back of a him his old back well it's definitely a lot better than it used to be yeah you know and that's the key to these things and if you were allowed to do those in America like you're allowed to do those overseas I think you'd see remarkable improvements but the problem is then you have orthopedic surgeons who don't want this to happen and they'll try to tell you not to do it because if more people do it they start telling more people to do it people are going to avoid surgeries and they're going to be out of a job there's one of these in uh Jimmie if you bring this up there was there's a there's a film that they can put on teeth that will basically just prevent cavities forever really yeah I saw it like three weeks ago there's like a a microscopic film invisible you like they like kind of paint it on they want to do it on kids uh like uh lowincome kids and uh and it will again maybe I misread it Jamie if you look it up wow I haven't heard of that that's crazy no it's a new thing but there are and I'm not even I mean I I am conspiracy-minded in terms of like yeah people will try to prevent that but I wonder which ones they'll let through well if there's money in painting people's kids with that stuff they might let it through the scariest one is fluoride the fluoride in the water thing is bananas cuz they're like oh it prevents tooth decay it also [ __ ] causes a drop in IQ that's absolutely measurable if you could see the difference between the amount of fluoride in a water and the amount of the the droping IQs in that area it's there's a direct correlation it's but it's in like a lot of countries fluoride is a weird one man because there's a lot of like very credible scientists that would point to the fact that fluoride is a neurotoxin it's not good for you at all and they're like oh yeah but in small doses but [ __ ] says who says who and for what purpose the way I pointed it out it's like say if someone gets skin cancer and you're say oh okay well we're going to put sunscreen and all the apples well hey hold the [ __ ] on how about just brush your [ __ ] teeth why do you have to put that [ __ ] in the water so every time I cook spaghetti I have fluoride in my [ __ ] spaghetti like what are we doing like yeah I mean I don't I I'm curi because I looked this up recently cuz I what I've heard is the the amount of fluoride that makes it toxic is like just a huge amount it's like the dog eating chocolate thing they look up how much chocolate a dog has to eat to kill it yeah it's like half its body weight or something it's like it's a huge amount and I what I remember is that in order for fluide to be toxic it's got to be a a major amount right but there's a correlation between high levels of fluoride in water and low IQs there's we don't really know and it's developmental cycle of a child that you're interfering with so if you take children and you give them this neuro Toxin and you you have it in the water to prevent them from getting cavities and you literally lower their IQ which seems possible yes I don't know I don't know how they came to the decision [ __ ] reason to do it there's no reason to do it it's stupid cavity fighting liquid prevents 80% of cavities finds largest US study new treatment uses silver diamine fluoride sorry buddy which is an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities should have never brought it up well it's it's a surface thing though you're not covering well it's stuck in your mouth though I think you're not drinking it what's it what's it saying d uh Dental cavities are distressing Sensation that if left untreated can result in terrifying pain swelling and Relentless night restless nights team of researchers New York University identified a cavity fighting Solution that's both effective and affordable new treatment uses silver diamine fluoride which is an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities and even Shields the existing ones from getting worse so that doesn't really prevent you from getting cavities it like stops cavities to say it prevents cavities well it in expensive liquid that prevents cavities but does it cover the teeth and prevents future cavities I believe I believe maybe in the next paragraph it'll say that uh it's quicker to apply and less expensive than sealant so it seems like they're doing it on cavities prevent and arrest cavities reducing the need for drilling and filling so they can prevent cavities on people that don't have cavities and then they can fill the cavities with this stuff and prevent them from getting worse Dental cavities are prent concerns control but doesn't just brushing your [ __ ] teeth prevent cavities yeah yes I no I I have I haven't had cavi since I was a little kid I just brushed my teeth thank you fluoride I don't think it's FL that's tonight's episode to I don't I don't have fluoride in my home water is that true yeah yeah I I try to avoid fluoride wherever possible I just you live with I mean but the first half of your life was all was you riddled with fluide I'm sure I until a couple until youve fluoride tooth no even when I lived in La I I never drank water you didn't you had your own well or never drink water out of the tap it's [ __ ] terrible for you it smells bad it smells like chemicals and even if it's like mostly okay it's like why are you doing that to yourself like have you ever like seen any of the studies on fluoride and the ones I saw were just like it's pretty minor the ones I've seen it's not necessarily minor it's poison and it's not necessary there's no reason for it and it seems like there's a lot of money tied into flu fluoridating drinking water look up countries that fluorinate their Florin eyes FL florify flate their water um cuz it's I looked it up yeah I looked it up so if we all have bad IQs it's fine did you watch the cinon thing the what there's a HBO documentary about this it's really you'll really like it it's like about what it's called sinon it was like a group it was a bit of a it's it was a cult and then they they it started out as like kind of a self-help as like a 12-step Fellowship it's the classic then it became a cult then the then the leader goes crazy I'm on it's only episode 2 but it really does follow like the the the thing of like every cult at some point the leader goes hey I spoke to God and he needs me to [ __ ] all your wives sorry sinon yeah what is it about it's oh so it's old cult it's from the 70s yeah the Golden Age The Late started in the 60s went into the 70s starts in black and white anything about this yeah it's on HBO Max or whatever everyone shaves their heads it's [ __ ] right up your alley uh like it's yeah there's the guy audio of him screaming at them uh an attack against hon was attack against America yeah it's it's it's it's [ __ ] custom made for you that's crazy I've literally never heard it's been on for it just came out last week um oh I I have a thing in my in my new uh Netflix about where I'm talking about you I'm talking I'm talking about the outsize role that um you know because Corporation corporate leaders have been are basically piece of [ __ ] politicians are piece of [ __ ] clergy imams pastors piece of [ __ ] now somehow it's all become like well what do the clowns think now it's up to the now it's up to comedians to be the moral Arbiters and it's you Dave I mentioned Ellen I mentioned Kevin Hart I mentioned just all these people that's like why are you guys consider I mean I know why because it's just everyone else couldn't do it and comedians have opinions and like Carlin was moral sometimes uh John Stewart is moral you know but I don't but it's one of these things it's like it shouldn't be up to us guys right we're like we shouldn't be the back stop we we shouldn't be the moral backbone of America we're one of the rare people the rare groups of people that are allowed to speak freely yeah and that's what it is it's like we're the one as long as we can find an angle where it's funny well that's the thing is people are mad it's it's like on here people get mad at you for not being uh reading the talking points of the national inses of Health you know what I mean like what do I never understand what people want you to be like what do you or walk me through this where Joe says everything you want him to say it's not possible I it's also not it's not a show anymore right but you also you can't make everyone happy it's impossible and if you try to operate in this world where you're trying to make people happy versus just trying to be honest right you're [ __ ] you're [ __ ] you're [ __ ] from the jump there's no way to do that it's not possible you won't be you anymore you will be compromised yeah you know I mean I I feel that about so many things I feel that about reading comments I don't think you should read comments I I don't I think that it's it's a it's been a detriment yeah to certainly like public comment it or what what whatever we do whatever like public speaking to cuz it really does kind of you think about like what are they going to what's the worst thing you could possibly say about what I'm thinking of saying right and it's a bad way to approach things it's also people that are deeply dishonest of course and and deeply unhappy and yeah deeply they did with your joke about abortion like oh he's a he's just a grifter he's a pro-abortion grifter trying to get that right-wing money instead of just trying to make a point but everyone's trapped they're trapped these ideological Bubbles and they don't know what to do and it's uh if you keep reading the comments on that bubble you will stay trapped you will stay trapped you're you're [ __ ] you have to be a you have to be able to think freely and express yourself freely and you can be wrong and if you're wrong you have to be able to admit you're wrong and you have to be able to say why you were wrong and why you thought this and why you think differently now and that's just a function of being an honest human being and it's possible to do but God damn that is a white water rafting trip that is [ __ ] filled with rocks yeah there's like there's bears catching salmon you're full it's it's crazy scrape your [ __ ] yeah it's scary it's scary how do you like do you do you monitor yourself at all do you know what I mean like do you have you had have you gone like boy this is getting pretty this is getting pretty uh this megaphone is getting pretty big you're having to hire a lot of security at your live shows you know what I mean like like just I'm assuming like the bigger the venues are getting bigger there's just more does it ever go uh does it I mean it's got to be validating for you as a person right you got to be like oh I must have I kind I must have done some [ __ ] right and then does it make you uh police yourself do you go like let me really try to be I think it makes you you you definitely have to be more clear with what you think and why you think it instead of just shooting off the cuff which I definitely used to do a lot when I was younger I'd have an idea in my head and i' just run with it and then I try to defend that idea but even the fluoride thing right yeah what we just talked about M that's the same conversation we would have had 10 years ago sure right yeah does it do you now think of how do you go I have to know what studies are what and if that's a true and it's been uh you know replicated etc etc etc or is it still kind of the same like yeah I think I read that the same thing we all do generally which is like yeah I read that or I heard that or whatever well it's been a while but I have read multiple studies on talked to multiple experts and if I didn't I would say I'm not sure MH I'm not sure I I'm not sure but fluoride is not healthy it's not it's not a good thing take that's one of those ones where I can just say that but then there's other things where it's like vegan diet I know people that do it I know people that have pulled it off it's possible to do it yeah you look like [ __ ] no I'm just kidding you [ __ ] you look all right you look thin and healthy thank you so much but you can do it if you supplement carefully and you're a smart guy you know what to eat and what not to eat you and I can get my blood tested and go a guy vitamin you have money you can do all the things you do to make sure that you're okay and it absolutely can be done I know people that eat a vegan diet and I also think there's biodiversity there's some people their ancestry is very different their their genetics are very different and their their much more vegan diet is more tolerable for them like Indian people Indian people have been eating vegetarian food for so [ __ ] long you know I would imagine that their body their genes have adapted if they've come from a long line of vegetarians yeah like they're kind of stuck with vegetable they're you know I mean they're kind of stuck with maybe it would be beneficial for them to to supplement with or they figured it out they have it their body has figured if there whatever was deficient in it's figured out a way around it by was what was available to them right but when we look at countries that consume more meat they they're healthier and they live longer Hong Kong is a great example of that so there's some great studies that have done been done on Hong Kong they have like one of the highest meat consumptions and higher life expectancies and but Z how long have they been doing it yeah and the Blue Zone and the like a little bit of protein yeah it's it's I guess what you're saying is the acknowledgement that like shit's complicated and there's no one right or wrong answer there's also things like healthy user bias like the most important thing that pretty much most of the objective doctors will say the most important thing is physical activity and that if you are not physically active and you eat well you you're almost better off smoking cigarettes and being physically active than than than doing that by the way this is always fascinating me because I've been asking people do you know what percentage of people die smokers die of lung cancer what percentage 10 to 15% that's crazy isn't that low that's crazy wouldn't you think it's like 60 that's crazy it's 10 to and I I've looked it up repeatedly like am I misreading this the amount of smokers that die of lung cancer is 10 to 15% but do they die of other stuff well yeah of course CH aridities Etc ET but it's like smoking just in general like you're limiting your oxygen intake there's a lot of factors there but it's not as bad as you'd hope right you know what I mean that's this this one doctor that I was talking to that was very adamant about that he goes physical activity if you don't have physical activity you might as well be a drinker and a smoker yeah you're [ __ ] and then there's also that loneliness thing oh yeah that's a big one man it's a big factor what percentage of f studies found the risk of developing lung cancer increases to 14% if you smoke cigarettes if you smoke one to five cigarettes per day your risk is around 7.7% and if you smoke more than 35 cigarettes a day you have a 2 6% chance of devel well that's a lot that's all 35 cigarettes 80 though by 80 I know like a whole lifetime of smoking 35 what is that a pack and a half yeah almost two two yeah is two t packs 40 yeah yeah 20 in a pack wow 26% three out of four yeah it's like you're which by the way is the exact same number of uh FDA drugs that get pulled 25% of all FDA approved drugs get pulled cuz they've killed too many people oh right when they're like oh [ __ ] whoopsies we didn't test it good enough yeah whoopsies we we believe the pharmaceutical drug companies yeah that was that was the weird one for me during the pandemic was the trust in the pharmaceutical drug companies and especially when I started talking to experts that actually spent their living litigating Financial uh settlements for adverse effects of drugs and you find out that scientists when you hear about peer reviewed data they're not even allowed to see the actual data they see the analysis of the data by the pharmaceutical drug companies that performed the studies I I I'm up two minds about this cuz on the one hand I agree with you and I've had similar experiences and on the other hand I'm like people I don't [ __ ] have time to do the research right on all of these things myself and I have a lot of time like do you know what I mean like I don't I don't they are everything's [ __ ] corrupt right and it's so aggravating and so like predictable because just human beings and they're just going to be corrupt and you just have to hope that the thing that you're the pill you're taking wasn't a victim of the corruption or the operation or even the stem set or whatever you do you just have to hope it wasn't a victim of humanity and so I'm with you because I've heard [ __ ] about vac I've learned you can test for anything you it's to you know I've heard statisticians say you can make anything you can crunch numbers any way you want to get to what you need well they certainly have done that you know and that's that's the big Vio Scandal like the in the emails when they released Vio they literally said which one's Vio Vio is an anti-inflammatory that they use that is no better than non-al anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen and it's killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 60,000 Americans before it was pulled well there was that other one the IB not IU the one the antihistamine that wasn't anything what's that one the psea FED one the one that was like a month and a half ago most cough medicine wasn't medicine what look at it's it was I was I assumed you just did you did like an emergency episode about this I heard no look at I don't even know what to look up cough medicine uh fraud yeah look up cough medicine isn't medicine it was [ __ ] insane and but again I have my kid has a cold right right so my kid's literally stuffed up this very second I'm a parent the [ __ ] am I supposed to do right you get medicine this is medicine it's at the store cough medicine got it got cough medicine okay good I'm a good parent this should knock it out and now it turns out it's just a bunch of garbage what is it Jamie do you find anything um yeah I got I'm trying to dig through I got conflicting information real quick so I'm trying this is what happens CH yeah W the pharmaceutical drug companies are like little trolls they put up a bunch of fake studies or shit's complicated yeah [ __ ] is definitely complicated but there's also a lot of financial I know that's the issue it's with all this stuff it's like shit's complicated and people are corrupt and people try to thwart information and bad information Rises and there's no it's just it's it's spider meme yeah it's just everything's [ __ ] incredibly complex uh OJ was dead for about an hour before I saw people connect to the vaccine OJ was telling people to get vaccinated well he maybe maybe this guy who murdered his [ __ ] wife and her boyfriend maybe he was racked with guilt his entire life and lived in a constant state of anxiety and everywhere he went people yelled at him and called him a murderer and maybe he didn't sleep good and but by the way still made it to 76 right which is like I think 2 years older than most people die I think the average age is like 7 2 74 like what's the average American male life expectancy Jamie it's either let's guess I'd say two I want to say well black men is way lower and [ __ ] football players is probably 58 right right good point good point but which is interesting too because one of the things that his one of his attorneys said that if CTE the information was available today like it wasn't 94 they would have used that in his defense right okay which is kind of crazy but the well does is he found more innocent 76 so 76 years so he hit the number o good for you juice OJ landed exactly on the average American number here what I found so the FDA press release says this FDA advisor declares ineffectiveness of widely used over-the-counter decongestant active ingredient the active ingredient in decongestants was nothing that popular over the-counter medicines for colds and allergies don't work FDA panel said and that's Puda fed what it really is is they took I gu it's like this ingredient in there which ped Fel fadil and most decongestants don't work wow the overthe counter histamine antihistamine badril is not being pulled from the pharmacy show the misleading headlines it says despite misleading headlines such as psea fed badril and most decongested don't work they're not being pulled from Pharmacy shelves a FDA uh Food and Drug Administration advisory committee voted 16 to0 on Tuesday that current scientific data does not support the use of active ingredient phenoline phenoline uh and over the-counter products such as badril algae plus congestion this does not however pertain to antihistamines such as badril which contain the active ingredient Dien hydramine yeah this is already confus you know what I mean like I'm already like wait what they're probably monkeying around with the stuff just to try to get it a little less less scammy it says it's a nasal decongestion okay brand names the medications include phenoline such as badril have other products with distinct active ingredients so there's one ingredient that doesn't work okay committee voted on the question of whether or not the evidence supported the use of the active how is that word muy muy muy fenine as an effective nasal decongestion the Panic panel concluded that products which include phenylephrine are not effective against nasal congestion though they were not deemed unsafe but they don't work so that's like parts of them work one of the ingredients doesn't is is nothing but it says but it says that that the products that include phenoline are not effective against nasal congestion they they were not deemed unsafe it still says it doesn't work right yeah there might be other ingredients that do work but they might not work either have to wait and see though the FDA is not bound to the committee's recommendations why should it be it's only science very likely the agency will follow its advice in turn this may lead to pharmacies pulling products containing oral filine F fenel fenel fenel at least until acceptably reformulated versions are offered uh there are branded products that include names Sudafed and badril that do work as nasal decongestion they contain the active ingredient pseudo ephrine pseudo iDine y uh but because the dangerous illicit substance methamphetamine can be made in illegal Laboratories with Pseudoephedrine these products were placed behind the counter years ago in 2005 Congress passed the combat methamphetamine and epidemic act which required pharmacies and other retail stores to maintain purchase laws yeah you got to show your you got show driver license I I remember I bought some of that stuff once and I was like what what do I have to do yeah and they were like yeah people can make meth with this I'm like you're like do you know who I am I'm never going to stop talking about that I'm like how much meth can you make off of one of these things is it enough like how many these no yeah they they would do they would go from Pharmacy to Pharmacy and just get boxes and boes of it and then cook it up just like just [ __ ] get a job also just get at yeah or yeah exactly they'll prescribe that to you just now we're running we're running short Joe yeah apparently we are right yeah we're running short on an roll uhhuh uh yeah so no it's interesting to see you know you and people we've known so long being held up as like uh you know when it's like what was the thing you uh Fitz Simmons helped you steal back a car radio or something huh didn't Fitz Simmons when you were roommates you guys or you dated his roommate oh yeah yeah yeah I jumped a fence because my car got towed and they had my radio in it I jumped a fence to get my radio so that's the joke me and Fitz immit have whenever there's a headline like White House concern with Joe Rogan we're like I bet this is about the radio right him jumping the fence to steal that car radio in 1990 yeah I forgot about that yeah yeah like like it's he was like what are you doing I'm like I'm going to hop this fence get my [ __ ] radio yeah and he help he was he ate it in a p but it is like hey what who sh like I don't know maybe you and Dave are as good as I don't [ __ ] know you know what I mean you know everybody should be able to discuss things and the problem is I can discuss things and millions of people hear it that's the problem and do you ever yeah that's what I guess I'm wondering like does it does it I think you're right to not pay attention but it does a party go like should I be paying more attention to this should I be more concerned about being a news Outlet or whatever the [ __ ] you're supposed to be I think I should I I'm very careful about certain things and I'm I'm very careful that I at least now that I know what I'm talking about or I say I don't know what I'm talking about yeah like be clear and then also you know if you know something and you don't say it and that thing can benefit people or they can inform their decision- making you should say it it's important especially if you know things if you absolutely know something to be a fact like say it and especially if you realize there's like immense pressure from these financial institutions or you know pharmaceutical drug companies or whatever it is to not say that thing because it's going to it's going to squeezed not squeezed but do ever people ever do you ever feel people floating information you like def J jimy float that baby up on have conversations with people where I'm like this person's feeding me [ __ ] yeah definitely yeah it's like you have to learn how to like navigate those Waters like I definitely think people have probably been angled to come on the show to feed me [ __ ] or are feeding me [ __ ] once they get on the show yeah definitely and you know you have to kind of make a decision then like do do I even air this do I not air this do I do I how do I dance around this like this seems like we should pause this and actually research it before we go any further because I feel like I'm being [ __ ] with yeah yeah yeah and it is it is there is it's the the new institution news media institutional news uh Legacy Media or whatever it's another one of those like 77y old women who yeah still think they're fine it's like can't [ __ ] lie if you pretend you have a monopoly on the truth you know what you have to only say is the truth it can't be obviously there's biases whatever human biases everywhere and instit B but you some of these people are so lazy well it's just like you were saying with a 75y old woman that still thinks she's hot like the news still thinks that people believe them MH you know and I I counted that when they were saying that I was taking horse medication yeah you mean the horse medication that won the Nobel Prize for being for as an antimalarial that one for like four years ago yeah four years before and now it's for horses well everything's for horses well yeah a horse medication if the horse is sick enough uh grass is [ __ ] everything if a horse eats it they're so dumb that they thought that they could do that yeah which is absolutely wild yeah but that just shows you the arrogance of those organizations they're so full of [ __ ] and so captured by money that they're willing to lie and that not just lie but lie with the same lie across multiple platforms and they're doing it specifically because they're being told to do that yeah and they're just hammering credibility and for like for what for nothing for one thing that is it's going to last for a year or so until people realize what the [ __ ] is going on and now you're doomed and now everyone's going to go yeah but they lied about that what do they say about Iran what do they say about Syria what do they say about this and nuclear energy what do they say about pollution well what's funny is super it makes it complicates things the it like what are they saying about Israel like the Gaz in Israel feels like the uh it's like the most modern it in 20 years ago this would have been like open and shut 20 years ago it would have been 911 right they did this we're going in and anything we do is justifiable right and now it's they did this we're going in and they're going with the 77-year-old former fine woman and they're doing and [ __ ] thinking that they can get away with it and now it's like ah now everyone's watching the all the [ __ ] that that slowly leaked and came out IU gra all the sort of severe violations now we're it's all happening on the daily yeah and it makes things it's so everything's so complicated it's so complicated one of the interesting things about the Israel thing was that you know Hamas attacks on October 7th and within days there pramas rallies so before Israel has even retaliated Douglas Murray talked about this a lot that was the most insane and I think that is one of those things where I am very inclined to think that that is fueled by Foreign actors I'm very inclined to think that Tik Tok algorithms and Bots and all these different things fed a lot of these like hyper woke kids into taking this contrarian stance against the popular narrative that you know is Israel was just attacked and so you know Israel is an oppressor and look what they've done to Palestine it justifies it and what else can they do and like what else can they do besides go door too and rape and murder people is that really what we're saying yeah like that that you should cheer them I know and that's and and then and then they Israel does [ __ ] all the time that you're like [ __ ] don't do that exactly exactly but at the same time like I'm not yeah it's like bro imagine living there though imagine living either in isra or Palestine and trying to find a solution to that good it's you once you you look it up once you start researching it you just go [ __ ] this is not I don't think I can figure this baby out this is a video game that you just toss the controller yeah my [ __ ] I'm not this this I don't even like this kind of game and I was reading today that there's there's the state Department's warning that Iran is planning attacks on Israel like oh my God oh my God what are you doing and do you have nukes do they have nukes yet I know they've been working on nuclear program forever what if they're the first person to use it and they use it on Jerusalem Jesus Christ uhhuh Jesus Christ yeah and but people think that they have they know what it should be and it's like do you get anxiety thinking about like world events ever yeah I I I get it less so less so in that which we can talk about a little bit but but less so just in terms of my own personal development but it's um if I had kids I would really really worry about it I yeah I don't I have I'm involved with a woman who has a kid so it's like you know it's growing uh my my sort of paternalism but um yeah I don't I don't it's it's a it's pretty we this is a pretty rough time it's a weird time it's a really weird time but I think every time is a weird time like in the 1960s during the Vietnam War people were terrified of the future and people didn't remember during George Floyd Chris Rock goes this is every week in the 60s Martin Luther King and Malcolm X both got assassin like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X and Bobby Kennedy and John Kennedy uhhuh real quickly yeah over a course of a few years yeah um I think it's just we we develop societal Amnesia and we try to remember the the past as some sort of a utopian time you know but then if you like look at the documentaries about the weather underground and like there's always been like wild [ __ ] happening in this country yeah it's but it's also back then wild [ __ ] you really only heard about through large corporate media I know that's the funny thing is now it's like we're getting you don't need to leak Abu gra you don't need to leak uh GMO photos you know it's all H it's all coming out that afternoon right and then now there's the rise of independent journalism you know the Glenn greenwalls Matt taies people that you can actually trust Michael shellenberg or people that are like on the street like telling and they're not attached to any large corporate media outlet and that's very important because now you get a if you're willing to do the work and willing to read what they're saying you get a much more balanced nuan perspective on what the factors are and what all these different contributing factors that are so hard to sort out with everything like if you try to pay attention to what's happening Brazil right now you're like oh my God like what the [ __ ] if you try to pay attention to what's happening in any other foreign country anywhere anywhere literally like Canada [ __ ] that should be like used to be like a gimme like oh Canada's [ __ ] fine and then you go like what the [ __ ] uh Mexico just go let's start at the top and go down Finland Denmark it's like [ __ ] Iceland all of them and then how is mass immigration illegal immigration ubiquitous how is it everywhere in the world all at one point in time how's like Islands in Italy getting overrun with these African immigrants that are coming over on boats some made a really good observation which is migration it's been happening in all of human history but not like this well I don't know I meaning well the statistics in the country in this country they're really easy to find yeah but I'm saying probably not relative to 17 they probably didn't have like great records until pretty recently well they didn't have an open border policy until really recently yeah wasn't it wasn't as easy to come across you also weren't being incentivized you weren't being given money you weren't being given housing and shelter and and much to the demise of the people that are poor that live there that are American citizens that are freaking the [ __ ] out in these poor communities like and you also know that immigration helps the economy do you know what I mean like that's the thing it provides so it's everything's [ __ ] like yeah but also so that's where I go I don't that's Tim Dylan's perspective he thinks they bringing in cheap labor he thinks well it's that including like ital like our great grandparents great like it was just they needed jobs yeah they needed jobs and there was and then the reason I don't did you read the the cliff nof book about comedians getting canceled historically no you might want to have mon here it's really good but uh what is it called uh look it up I read it like not long ago K Li i p um book uh Nester off n what is k k Li i ph what is that that's his name Cliff oh Cliff yeah Cliff nesterov comedians drunks thieves Scoundrels no the outrageous history of showz that one but the reason why uh why so many Jewish people Irish people and black people became comedians it was just because they couldn't get jobs anywhere else lny Bruce yeah it is yeah yeah uh and like who why they get canceled who gets canceled and it's been happening Guy saying I can't say anything in 1938 right like it's so it's like kind of a tale as old this time yeah but uh but yeah like people came for for uh job yeah it's all of these things you're right and and it helps the economy there's a meme that I found online that is is it's so funny cuz it's from 1934 it's a cartoon from 1934 that's basically saying exactly what everyone is worried about today both on the right and on the left I'm going to send this to you Jamie um about the government and it's crazy because this is the same story it's a hundred years later it's the same story yeah pull that up yeah it's like it's the same one as like Jews are sub and superum look at this plan for of action for us spend spend spend under the GU of recovery bust the government blame the capitalist for the failure junk the Constitution and declare a dictatorship the cartoon appeared in the Chicago Tribune in 1934 yeah isn't that wild yeah the government is cor is uh like you know spying on you and they're inept it says up there it worked in Russia so that's Stalin I guess is writing that out yeah wild yeah that's what it's but I re this time does feel pretty specific this does feel especially Grim yeah this period of history but yeah the anxiety thing I'm that's curious to me that not curious but I'm interested in the in the fact that it does give you anxiet was does it give you anxiety for your is it Humanity overall yes yeah it's Humanity overall I get it at night I get it at night cuz usually that's what I'm high there was a usually when I'm I'm riding when I'm high I get real anxiety cuz usually also everyone else in my house is asleep so it's just me it's late at night and I'm just Doom scrolling and I'm writing and I'm just thinking about the future and I I I genuinely get this like fear of angst like what happens if everything goes totally sideways which has happened historically all over the world with with uh incredible regularity yeah it's almost predictable and there's always been instances where Society was like thrown into chaos and like what we have this the Democracy thing it's the same way like when you look up where is abortion legal where you know where's where where are they putting Florida in the water look up where there's democracy and how long it's been there super Rec this is the oldest one guys and it's not even 300 years old yeah it's not even it's like this is the oldest one then there's like France England like and there's not that many of them now and there's never been one like this and this one is only 300 years old yeah which is a blip it's a nothing yes relative to to and it really and it does it is that thing of like you have to Foster it you got to you got to water it and you got to till the Fe you got to vote you got to get you got to research you got to do all the [ __ ] and it's but as we can both attest like it's worth it yeah well this is the greatest experiment in self-government the world's ever experienced mhm it's fascinating it really is and it it's it's also because of this this country has achieved so many amazing Milestones creatively like how much music has come from America I mean how much of like popular music that the World Hears do the airplane yeah that's us yeah the internet the car the car the computer like these are not Small Things standup comedy yes yeah standup comedy was invented here and it's done by Best by people from here still to this day correct and that's just undeniable you know good luck good luck trying to what we do yeah it's just not the same yeah it's funny there's a few guys there's Ricky deras and Jimmy Carr and a couple others but the the reality is there's a lot more here A whole lot more selling out Arenas just talking and good good comedians I think this is the best time for comedy that's ever existed I really do I mean there's great oh in terms of the amount of really good people who are throwing the ball very fast yes I couldn't agree more couldn't agree more yeah it's this is the time this is the Golden Age of Comedy yeah and you know Ari always says this that this is a great time for comedy because comedy's dangerous again yeah he's like it's great comedy's dangerous yeah it's it is like like the you know the red fox you know after dark records thing now but now it's more in weirdly now it's more like Douglas Murray books and speeches right right right like those are those are like the the the uh Contraband um what do you I want to ask about the anxiety thing cuz when you do you get uh do you worry about the safety of your loved ones cuz and do you worry about like the your your your uh [ __ ] hits the fan plan cuz my plan is hey I've done Joe Rogan when people come up I go you may remember me from Joe Rogan we're good right oh you mean when Preppers the Preppers come for you they're not going to come for you the people that are going to come for you the people that aren't Preppers the people that don't have any food that's what it's going to be scary I don't have any either though yeah well that's good hopefully you don't have any guns hopefully you don't have anything Val valuable that they can take do you think it's worth having a gun yes you okay so you're saying have a gun better it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it yep always yeah it doesn't hurt you to have a gun especially if you're smart and you take care of it and you lock them up and you know how to use them yeah yeah it's like you know one of the funniest things is people like you should give up your AR-15 you don't need it you should send it to Ukraine so they could fight the Russians like okay do you hear see what you're saying like they're they're they're they're literally fighting against an oppressive force and if they're unarmed you should arm them what happens if something like that happens here and you're saying that can't yeah I mean I did the idea that can't happen here is crazy the idea of like taking there should be a every year they should have a guys who are like hoarding weapons thinking that they can take on the government we should every year have an NRA military Showdown where it's 100 guys from the NRA versus like three guys from the military and it's just they just going to drone them right but here's the thing the guys from the military the guys who sign up for the military are the guys who don't want to do that see well that's the thing like turning them on Americans so this is the big fear about immigration is that you're going to take these immig Rants and you're going to indoctrinate them into the military and they'll be willing to do things that United States citizens won't be willing to do because nobody wants to join the military anymore oh you think that is that that's big fear the heavy duty conspiracy theorists they're worried that they're going to uh conscript these people like you can get like look they're doing that in Russia where they're saying fight in the Ukraine war and we'll let you out of jail yeah so they're taking prisoners with life sentences and and using them as Cannon F heck of a movie by the way yeah and it's happening I mean they're they're literally using them as no I know it's it's and it's real like some monsters monsters that they're letting out yep monsters and and they're doing monsterous [ __ ] to I've heard they're doing it to other Russian they're just doing they're not these are not like rational people no they're psychos like full-on psychos and psychos in Russia that's another level of psychos forget it shut it down they had a long history of violence yeah and and also loss like the loss that they experienced during the World War like people they always everyone talks about what happened with Israel what happened with the Jews what happened with the United States our military Japan Russia lost a lot of [ __ ] people and if it wasn't for Russia we might not have even fought off the the the Nazis think I don't think there any dispute there I think that's like a that was like they they kind of kept their attention right like on the on the East yeah and they are they have such a long history of conflict and loss and their willingness to well that's what somebody told me is like uh Putin's whole thing is just like we're a country we're it's we're always at War we always will be at War let me lead us and he's a warrior which is really scary when you got a guy who's a KGB guy that becomes the head of the country I mean again it's the hammer thing you don't all you have is a hammer everything he well that's what somebody saying it's like they don't have much industry also he kills everybody yeah anybody any political opponents anybody's questioning him you get poisoned you get [ __ ] drone bombed whatever yeah you don't even got to be in Russia yeah they got a guy in they popped a guy in Spain a few months ago oh yeah they'll pop you everywhere yeah you know poison and we kind of do that too I'm sure we do that I'm the idea that we're innocent and that we don't have CIA assassins that go and whack dissonance okay I'll take your logic can we still condemn what he does it's hard it's hard first of all you 10 times worse than us you definitely can condemn what he's done in Ukraine you can definitely can condemn you can condemn bombing keev you can definitely con you can condemn a lot you you definitely can but you also got to condemn the NATO for moving their [ __ ] arms closer to the Russian border and Crossing that boundary and trying to get Ukraine to join NATO which has always been his red line there's a lot of like really shiy International politics I'm the mind that NATO's never invaded anyone so it's kind of like if they're I get that they're trying to get like the point you made about trying to get people to move to Austin they haven't been around that long no I know they haven't but they they definitely I don't think you yeah I'm with you I just don't think they're an invasion they're too disorganized they need consensus from [ __ ] however many countries are in NATO to like go we're gon to I don't think and then who's going to govern whatever whatever the idea is pushing arms closer to the borders of Russia to make an attack easier and quicker and all those things influence foreign policy and those things are dangerous they're they're creep yeah I'm with you but I don't I like is it is he is NATO perfect no no but like what he's doing is just aggressive bullying like hey man we're trying to have a world where people can't do that anymore right we're trying to get P my point is chaos it's complicated like we we uh the United States was involved in the coup in 2014 we instigated it we we provided weapons and and money we were a part of that and we there's there's been a lot of those throughout history I mean we [ __ ] around we what did we we googled it the other day how many countries the United States has military bases in it isn't it like 90 what was it again Jamie what [ __ ] I know the everywhere the problem isere it's like the way America worked was it's like we there's a moral framework Louie had a great joke about it where it's he was talking about himself he's like I have all sorts of ethics and standards I don't I don't follow any of them but I have them like I have standards for myself and America the the the game was that we would look at this there's 750 military bases in at least 80 countries that's so crazy the number maybe even higher is not all dat is published by the Pentagon they don't but Joe Joe we're American it's good list it's better us than China well that's what I mean like it's better the game we always played was like yeah we do [ __ ] you can't well we're now everything's transparent or it's like significantly more transparent so and people have no uh tolerance for hypocrisy right it used to just kind of be like side papers you go like oh America's kind of a [ __ ] hypocritical and now on because social media it's like I gotcha it's like yeah [ __ ] we're Hypocrites yeah well that always leads me back to that Smedley Butler paper that he wrote in 1933 which is war is a racket he was this famous military man who upon retiring reflected upon his career and said like the whole thing was a racket I thought I was protecting people I was protecting Banks and this is what war really is all about and that still holds me it's the military-industrial complex speech kind of exactly um exactly and yeah I it's it's the I think the the UND the the agreement was corruption and then but stability yeah and now it's it's corruption's been revealed and now it's super unstable like now we can see all the corruption and [ __ ] feels re and you can't sleep yeah what's better I think the erosion of the confidence of the government in this country is danger ous because people there's there's kids on the street that are saying you know we want to overthrow the United States government and get rid of all of the colonizers like what are you talking about I know but that's if they but they could clip the [ __ ] out of you and show a reason they should be suspicious of the government you know what I mean like like whatever the the the pharmaceutical companies or the NIH or the the White House what you're skeptical and the problem is I think there's not a problem but like you're skeptical you know the limits of your skepticism you know what I mean whereas everybody else just goes Limitless skepticism I don't trust anything they're young they just got out of college they have no debt they well they have debt maybe but they don't have any life their their life has just begun and they want to throw this this country is corrupt let's just burn it all down and then do what and then do what do do you want to be Saudi Arabia where are you going to go where you going to go where you going to go there was a basketball coach in the who after the Celtics Dynasty after you know Larry Bird Robert Parish all this stuff and then he was Rick patina was the coach and they sucked and he said to the Press Like Larry Bird ain't walking through that door and that's how it is with all these kids it's like there's no better leader there's no for the women there's no better men there's no like this is it right we're going to make do with this you want you want to help or not or you just want to mope and you want to and and also everyone's corrupt and you should be skeptical but you but to the point where it's like when does when does skep when does pure skepticism skepticism become uh chaos well I think when can you Nots they get so frustrated in it all they do want to burn it all down but they don't have a solution they don't have like a working solution of what happens once it gets burned down what I worry about is I think the government is so inept and I think the the confidence in the government is so low that if something goes sideways it's not going to be like everybody waits for the government to tell us what to do you're gonna have chaos in the streets just like the George Floyd riots you're just going to have that all over the place that's that's the real fear people with nothing will revolt and guns are everywhere and it could get real sketchy yes and then or you go it's this it's chaos it's it's 1968 1969 yeah now and then you see cops beating up protesters and you're like all right this is hard cuz I'm for the protesters and you know I need order yeah as a human being I would like it's the freedom and safety it's the it's the two sort of the two things that hang in the balance and I don't it's funny to hear you say that you get you get uh anxious at night based on this world cuz cuz it's always at night yeah it's always at night when I'm alone with my thoughts because I just realize all the things that could go sideways at any given time like one thing one big thing one big event and it doesn't even have to be an attack it could be a natural event one natural event and we're [ __ ] one solar flare that takes out the grid we're [ __ ] yeah and and even and to the George Floyd point it's like they shouldn't have [ __ ] killed the guy and people should people can protest police brutality that's all like the cops were wrong in how they handled that and the protesters we are a lot we are it's part of our government it's part of our society it's part of our constitution we can and then it's like defund the police and I'm like no but NOP yeah you had me we're not I [ __ ] need cops yeah need them you and also by and then all those polls of like uh low-income people were like no we want Cops so the it's the tyranny of the minority thing where well there's also the problem with the autopsy the autopsy of George Floyd showed that he had lethal levels of fentanyl in a system that he was going to die anyway I heard they I heard they wasn't lethal what does that mean I mean I've I've seen things where it wasn't uh the the the levels of fentel were days old and whatever it wasn't he that's well he had an enlarged heart um he was suffering from all sorts of ailments like uh cardiovascular ailments and he did have a high level fentanyl in a system that I think is in the lethal threshold and then you have this high stress event being arrested also being compressed someone's uh pressing down on your body restricting your breathing and you're you're panicking you're freaking out very possible to have a heart attack there but so maybe by himself he wouldn't have had right so you're of the mind maybe that he was he had Fentanyl and system and and it was not great uh police procedure it was a 100% not great police procedure yeah 100% but also that guy had a history of abuse yeah no but that's what I mean so then people protest Etc it's like but the question is did he actually kill that guy or was that guy dying you know I level see find out because I'd read that um when when they did the initial autopsy they didn't find that his death was because of uh constriction it wasn't because of compressed arteries or any of that that it was you know what I fear happens a lot is this is a good example so you like so we go yeah know of course so you you're of the mind I'm of the mind of like that was wrong and then you go yes but he did have fenel no I'm of the mind that that was wrong too that that's police brutality and abuse and probably not necessary like it wasn't like he was thrashing and trying to attack like you could have restrained that guy cuffed him and that would have been it right right so my point is so it's not but he but he was on fentel let's say that was awful police work and he was on fenel right like so let's say the police work was good and the guy wound up dying that's different yeah right then you say oh he died of a fenal overdose but if you look at the way they handled him it was Humane it was correct yeah now would there have been Pro who knows now it's historically right that happens all the time I worry get arrested and they die of overdoses it happens all the time but then you could use naron you can yeah but sometimes they don't you know there's like you've read that where it's like sometimes they just go like [ __ ] it they I've saved this guy too many times you know what I mean like it's just cops being like [ __ ] I'm so sick of saving drug addicts all day right um like people that don't even seem to want to live so what I worry that's happening culturally and it literally pick an issue Israel Co George Floyd whatever is there's these contradictory not even contradictory pieces of information it's not a simple narrative right right so I think a lot of times people just declare a mistrial in their head they go [ __ ] it I don't this is somebody's lying I'm getting the [ __ ] out of here there is no there's no justice there's just everything's everything's too gray whereas 30 40 years ago it would have been uh they just killed a guy and no there's no video well there's there's there's like black and white like Kent State yes right that's a black and white one the National Guard comes in shoots protesters everybody's outrage it's horrible yeah there are but now it's Kent State happens today maybe they actually one of there's a second video it becomes it's almost like the Kennedy assassination everything's kind of the Kennedy assassination and where it is a lot of cont and then people go [ __ ] it I don't know what happened and I think that's where not even sometimes maybe it's nefarious actors and other times it's just people who want to be contrary or whatever there's so much information and there's a limited bandwidth for people's attention span and time right in a day that they just go I don't know what [ __ ] happened there that's a big one and that's that's the thing with Boomers like you know rfk's talked about this a lot that Boomers only pay attention to Legacy Media and that they really they they're not reading independent journals reports or not I don't you think it's less so though like me meaning like it's a lot of Facebook links to sort of Shifty websites some people now yeah I think there's some some of that now but I think there's still a lot of people that just put their faith in mainstream especially people that aren't online on a regular basis or they're only friends with people that are their age and so they have this sort of like mentality the way they consume news and information it's kind of always been the same way yeah like Co again I'm sorry to bring this up for the listeners and myself uh but so there was the TAC cardia thing and they the the heart rate thing that was like people it was elevating people's heart like that was one of the main side effects right and they they acted like it wasn't much and then fairly recently there was like actually there was more than we thought I wonder but then I've also heard from people that are skeptical was like it's a pretty good vaccine in terms of like uh lowering numbers of infections and but I think most people got the first wave of like you have to take this this is a perfect vaccine mhm and then they heard this thing of like it's not perfect and then they they got tired well it's been lied to from the very beginning one first thing they didn't even test it to see if it stops transmission but yet they they said it did they didn't even test it to see if it it stops you from being infected but yet they said it does all it does is impart some form of immun that's specific to the Wild Virus the first version yeah yeah and and the way they studied it and the way they tested it is so [ __ ] corrupt that just the fact that they said that it's 100% effective against stopping death do you know how they they came up with that number two people in the control group got Co and died one person in the vaccine group got Co and died so that makes it effective like when RFK told me that I'm like there's no way that's it and then we read the actual studies and like oh my god that actually is it yeah and they're allowed to say that yeah techn it's technically true technically true technically you can get away with a lot but it's also like the ve system I mean the reporting of adverse effects is very underutilized and so we all know people that have had bad side effects from the vaccine and the the question is how many of them kept their mouth shut how many of them are quiet how many of them are suffering how many of them the doctors are unwilling to connect to to the vaccine there's there's a lot there's a lot I know I personally know more well again it's all [ __ ] empirical so who gives a [ __ ] it's like I well I happen to who gives a [ __ ] Oney one person but yeah but I wonder what the way forward is with any of this stuff because that thing of people just going [ __ ] it I declare a mistrial yeah you just it I that's probably not great for society did you find anything about George Floyd's toxicology yeah I'm looking I mean I I'll just show you what I'm find looking I believe this is the autopsy report it shows that there was 11 like nanog per milliliter right right I have no idea if that's high or not um so then lethal tried to tie this is what Google says is lethal for humans lethal dose is two um recommend serum concentration is 1 to 20 nanograms per milliliter for anesthesia and 10 to 20 milligrams per liter blood concentration what's that he be in the anesthesia range what he had in a system so what is uh what's what's uh lethal that's right here lethal dose is 2 Mig so he had nanograms so he had 11 nanograms which is significantly lower than 2 milligrams is that what they're saying that's what that says he also nor fenyl was 5.6 uh nanograms per milliliter so did it say that he had aite cocaine CA caffeine he had caffeine what is it oh not even cocaine cine I was looking through it to find out what it says is like the conclusion it 11 hydroxy Delta 9 so he had [ __ ] THC in him he had that fake THC right I know but that's one of you know 15 years ago that would have been the lead story yeah um negative for ethanol methanol isopropanol and acetone methamphetamine 19 nanograms per milliliter so he had a lot of [ __ ] in his system yeah but but but and so that's like but he doesn't deserve to die he it may or may not have contributed to his death it's like [ __ ] that you can't prove but once that's in the air it creates this sense of like we'll never know what happened and you're like the video you know you see him saying I can't breathe you see the whole thing yeah yeah and it's and what I just worry about the sort of haze of all this [ __ ] now of everything does any studies say that he had a lethal amount of fentol in his system why do people keep repeating that that's all I was seeing in that was a bunch people saying that and there was like I know and that's and you're not you're not repeating it malevolently you just heard it repeatedly you know what I mean you're not you're not trying to make the guy look bad or whatever it's just but a lot of people are and they're using they made that doing that what documentary uh there was a whole documentary about it then then that got debunked about George Floyd and what does the documentary say uh the all the fentol and the the all that stuff killed yeah um uh no evidence drug overdose was the main cause of death for George Floyd so uh this is from what year 2022 2022 um so social media users make a claim that George Floyd killed actually died from drug over these claims are misleading official medical and court records rule the police restraint not drug use was the main cause of death and evidence support claim that George FL lethal d low levels of drugs in his system one Twitter uses uh sharing the claim George Floyd died a fenel overdose derck shavin should be freed okay but this is when they're like one this is one person said and but if they're if they're saying like it didn't uh whatever or can we trust the AP yeah that's the thing however no publicly available evidence supports the claim that Floyd died from overdosing on drugs specifically flatl or Methamphetamine I rather than the actions of the cops what's that I assume those are like Russian trolls just causing chaos Joe that's my point is like what like this is the world now right right you're not you're not you you are not predisposed to we but there is a thing of being predisposed to skepticism right right and it and it seems cooler than being some square ass right I I take I'm I'm a sheeple and I don't and what I'm saying is like there's there's a value in both you know what I mean and like I don't know how to I don't know how to litigate it I don't know how to prescribe it to people I but but and I also know that people have a limited amount of time that's a giant factor a giant fact and they got better [ __ ] to do this is not their number one priority mhm and and and so I don't know what to I truly don't know what that's the kind of thing that would cause me anxiety I mean if you look if you're looking for a new thing to be anxious about but no but honestly like and you're I the thing with you is like because I've known you so long it's like you're a decent honest person person I know I will I will testify in court that any chance I've seen you have to be decent and honest you've taken it and there's still stuff that you think might be true because it's [ __ ] floating around yeah and you're intelligent you like this this one I've just heard that's why I brought it up because I wanted to know what the actual I've not read about it honestly and I remember reading a headline saying that he had a lethal dose of fenil in the system and that people were arguing it yeah and but it still doesn't take away from the fact that the policing was immoral [ __ ] awful and and that's that's a thing that people have to deal with every day from the cops and also being a [ __ ] cop is a horrible job I know everything is like many [ __ ] and it's the worst job on Earth it's one of the worst jobs I can't it's a nightmare you're the professional enemy and everyone you pull over is probably lying to you yes and and they and then they all train with like that that everyone's wants to shoot them they kind of have to train that way like they have to like just go just get home to your wife and kids every then they show videos of like them getting ambushed and [ __ ] like which Isn't false it's like they do get ambushed it's not very of but they can't worry about that it's like we have to worry about hecklers pretty much every show you know what I mean like like so they're all it's all these like very very complicated things mhm very complicated and I don't know uh I think that there and and every every point of view has validity you know a lot of them do that's for sure and then and then you have the foreign actors and you have the disinformation campaigns that are state run that we run that's for sure too yeah and we do it to other countries but don't you [ __ ] do it we do way worse we actually go in and overthrow their governments andall dictators that's what we do we've been doing that forever we run [ __ ] democracies we call you know Liberty to become a failed State we've we've done a lot of wild [ __ ] yeah we still continue to do it right now with those 700 plus bases worldwide yeah we're involved in all kinds of shady things and then there's also the obligation like if you're in the CIA or if you're but shady [ __ ] that benefits you and me Joe not that shady shady [ __ ] that undermines legitimate dictators like how do you what do you do just let these people develop nuclear arms and take over countries and no you got to you got to do things to stop deathbots I know and that's the thing of now in the age of transparency and gotcha you're a you're you are you're uh uh your your government is hugely hypocritical it's like yeah yeah yeah it's a [ __ ] government exactly what do you think we that we have to be it's one set of rules for us and another for everybody else yeah sorry why why that's why you're all trying to sneak in here what gives you anxiety Well I this because I come and give updates on my mental health uh how are you doing now I'm doing great I this is what I want to talk about so so all the iasa set a really nice got me off anti-de pressence got me believing in God in a in a central creation Force that's non not a gender whatever it's just a thing it's just a magnet basically say it's a woman yeah please uh wrong podcast yeah uh the and then I and then the DMT broke me and put me back together and after the DMT the 5 Meo that I smoked um it was a year and a half of I thought it was 8 months of chaos and then I did an iasa ceremony a year and a half after I'd smoked the DMT was the first time back and I felt the DMT door close and I was like it was open that whole [ __ ] time what do you mean by that okay so DMT opened up my brain uh too much little too much open borders I I was um I was uh experiencing two much of the Universe I believe like most of being a human being is just like this you you have we understand that we're Rock in space but we it's just like my [ __ ] house and my apartment and my car and my [ __ ] the things that I understand my family the the DMT made it so I could experience like time a lot more uh I talked about it last time where I had a hard time watching the screen saver on Apple TV the mountain ranges and [ __ ] I was I got a sense I understood how old they were in a way you're kind of not supposed to what do you mean when you know when someone goes hey can you believe the M the Rocky Mountains Are 700,000 years old and you go yeah that's crazy but nothing nothing happens I kind of understood how long a time that was I was like way out I was way out and then I slowly kind of came back it took about it took a year and a half and what was the what was the negative aspects of being way out uh it was it was uh I told somebody I was aiming for God and I missed my stop and I woke up on a like a moving train with no conductor and going a million miles an hour so it was because you were taking in too much information that you hadn't considered before so it became unmanageable the DMT well I had the Michael pollen experience where the DMT took me back to took me to when I inhaled it I went to before the big bangang and Michael pal said it on here cuz I looked it up I was like where have I heard and and I was like that's where I was uh and so I so I slowly the the issue was so the DMT was pretty much a DMT 25 minute 35 minute experience of like I was before the Big Bang and my personality s kind of came back and I was kind of going like I'm not going to do that anymore I'm not going to be like Petty I'm not be I'm going to be like a virtuous person I'm just going to be like I'm going to remember this God connection and all that stuff and then a week later I had a reactivation a week later yeah you know that thing of like there's a thing which people have DMT reactivations where you flashback yeah basically what the joke of like an acid flashback I had that for and it's common with smoking DMT yeah and I had one so now I'm it's a Sunday in New York I'm on a coffee date with a woman in this side of my frame this side is [ __ ] pure whiteness infinite time it was harrowing so you saw it it wasn't like a pure split screen but it was like energetically kind of a split screen was it something that you thought and you felt in your mind or was it something you were experiencing visually it was it was yeah I shouldn't say that it was I couldn't see it see it but it felt felt it yeah I felt it so an between reality current reality and then this Infinity uh sort of energetically and was it giving you anxiety yeah oh I was so disoriented I had the thought like am I in God's imagination [ __ ] that's not great to think when you're just in in on a Sunday walking around in New York yeah especially if you're on a date I mean come on and try trying to make something happen yeah see if pay attention my friend of mine said she goes you just seem really preoccupied it's like yeah I had a lot on my plate did you watch that uh Hemingway documentary on PBS no it's I recommend it highly Ken Ken Burns Hemingway black and white pushes and I'm not even a Hemingway fan there were some messages that are like okay this is amazing but there's a part they showed maybe the Spanish Civil War he went there I think it's Spanish Civil War uh and there's a uh passage from one of his books where he got shot I believe and he said he explained it as like my spirit came out of my body like a ribbon and then came back in and I was watching with my friend I go hey can we stop real quick cuz I was like in that world like that day it would this was the reactivation day and I was like yeah I need to not watch this cuz I'm in that thing where my spirit can come back and it was like touch and go I I think I may said this last time I would have killed myself but I knew I'd be going into more of it wow so it was like real difficult like real like on the edge of my sanity AB yeah I would say I don't want to say I don't know what prech would be like pre-diabetic I feel like I was like yeah pretty close now over time I got better every day and you know I got returned to Norm but I was more able to fall in love more generous I would I'm funnier on stage I get 15% more and bigger laughs like cuz I'm spiritually and people notice it like hey what's different about you uh on stage better this Netflix thing is like my best one cuz it's just like I'm lighter I'm just lighter um so that was hard to deal with but after the year and a half passed I I'm a better it's easier to be me it's easier to deal with me everything's improved um so then in the last year or so every few months I do MDMA and like like in a sort of not necessarily A therapeutic environment but like in a with a spiritual bent um what's happened from the iasa and the DMT is when I've done mushrooms it's iasa it's a god connection or what I perceive as a god connection when I do MDMA now it's a god connection and I've been able to I believe I've been able to change my I don't want to say Spirit but I think synapses whatever however you want to like you know categorize it your operating system yeah basically you're it's like you get you are you are getting a a new you get an update an OS update and you know the thing with updates on computers is the computer goes to sleep sometimes you're awake for these updates you're like I've literally done the joke on iasa like is there any other system you have cuz this is little a little touch and go for me I appreciate it and I always get so much from it in the long term but in the short term the I did IA I don't know in November and there was a point where I went up to the Sham and I go hey this is I'm like a little close to God right now could you just give me like a nudge cuz it's very hard to comprehend honestly yeah it's as someone who's sort of experimented in this world like it's you know there are moments that are hard to comprehend uh and it's it's a hard thing to communicate like it's interesting because I think overall you would say the benefit is worth it but it's a slippery road yeah well it's hard it's very hard to do and that's the thing and we talked about this last time about sort of the mainstreaming of all this stuff it's Pandora's Box man because there's PE a lot of people I'm I'm whatever I am uh uh intelligent person an accomplished person and I felt like I was Prett psychotic for a couple days and I would have killed myself if not like that's a pretty that would have been a significant so you genuinely thought about killing your well I didn't have a plan or anything but like I was like this is this is unbe no it was like this is unbearable what I'm in right now where like I'm on Earth am I in Gods Am I who am what what is this what is any of this yeah what is what is steps walking down steps going why is any of this why am I a person in a whatever got through it better and then the MDMA I've been able to sort of I don't know if you want to do software updates or whatever but it's just made me more I had one that was really great which was I did MDMA and uh and I was able to you know I'm kind of a grudge holder Irish Catholic Etc one of 10 you get it and I was able to just forgive all of my grudges easily easily like just easily that's very valuable yeah and so the next day I was like why was I so able to do that yesterday but I was holding those grudges tight the day before and it's because my brain I on the MDMA I had oxytocin dopamine serotonin flowing through me right love hormones love chem kindness chemicals generosity chemicals I was able to do it most of the time I realized I just have cortisol and adrenaline and cortisol and adrenaline are organized and they're they're they're judicious they're that's the currency is like justice retribution wrong right organize organize punishment kind of like right so I started thinking like I've been what I consider a personality is just cortisol and adrenaline or what I considered a personality so I just realized like I've I've had a cord I've been I have a kitchen in my head that makes cortisol sandwiches and I'm just like this is what I like to eat no I don't right that's just what it's giving out so I I made a conscious effort to like ignore my first first like I I now write like don't believe your chemicals just don't believe them like like think be on them right and focus on the sort of the softer chemics the more positive ones and I've also been doing a thing that's been like wildly helpful which is uh I I was doing a gratitude checklist just a every day I would write like things I'm grateful for and and also not many things I'm grateful for the facts of my life the facts of my life are really good I'm I have three Netflix specials now how many people have that I have X amount of money I done great stuff I have love in my life I've grow my friends I'm respected etc etc so I write it down to remember that I have all these great things object I am living my dream I'm living a lot of people's dream I'm also especially living my dream and but you your my brain was just writing like sci-fi and and of like this person [ __ ] out to get you and they didn't just constant nonsense that was just purely based on chemical so what I found is the more I do so then uh rain Wilson the actor suggested we were talking about Islam praying five times a day and I was like that's kind of the right amount If we're honest right if you want to really keep the software in tune yeah if you want to just remember like hey I'm a vessel for a spirit and so he goes why don't you wri in your gratitude checklist five times I was like fine so I've been doing it I I rarely get to five it's at least two or three and every day every couple hours just remembering like what the facts of my life are do you think it's also we have all human beings develop patterns of thinking and they these patterns get like deeply cut these grooves they're easy to fall into and this not trusting your chemicals is essentially like not allowing yourself to go down these patterns of thinking yeah there's a there's a saying that I've read uh there's a book called the shallows about what social media does to us but it was you are what you do repeatedly you are what you think repeatedly and we have I we all w at least I do and did for a long time wake up and like start the record and just the monologue that's happening in your head and it's gotten me out of it there are days where I wake up and it doesn't start and I'm like confused you know cuz I'm I don't go instantly negative and I just it's made me see my life differently i' like I went out of my way to view my life through the way truer lens I believe do you know what I mean like it's true I am objectively all the all the attributes that I list and I'm so [ __ ] lucky you're so [ __ ] lucky to get this experience you're so think about this the the the the thing I would say to people is like spin the wheel 8 billion other outcomes of human beings alive right now what are the odds you beat this one yeah this just like The Joe Rogan like literally The Joe Rogan Experience what are the odds you beat it there's no [ __ ] way think about think about your life it's impossible and I'm not even talking about like the popularity all that stuff like that's part of it but think about like having an idea doing it in your in your whatever the basement or garage wherever we used to do the podcast and then it just becomes this what think about and I used to think that life I would always tell myself like life's not fair and then I finally one day had the thought yeah life's not fair Neil no one's life should be as good as yours like I'm so lucky it's unbelievable it's unbel I'm like getting choked of talking about it it's impossible and and I would argue that most people that hear it hear this are in the same position but yet there's this inclination to focus on negatives this inclination Focus yeah I think it is I think we're we're trained to scan for threats yep I agree and and and I write in my journal like or my checklist because I want to masculinize it um no no every threat's a gift wait a minute is a checklist more masculine a journal yeah I think it I believe it is really checklist cuz you have to make sure everything's everything's good and your PE the women and children are safe but a diary is feminine oh [ __ ] dear diary I'm going punch you in the face yeah like and and we're and I and I write almost every day no threats only gifts everything I thought was a threat is just a gift over a longer timeline and you've managed to do this without falling into a cult yeah I don't think not one that not one that I know of I'm not paying dues anywhere I haven't it's just literally keeping it's a it's like a emotional discipline in a weird way it's like it's the same way like working out every day well me being your friend and knowing you for so many years I mean I guess I didn't know you well when I first met you we only knew each other because we we worked in the same place at Boston comedy when you were a door guy and I was just a young comedian and we just became friends I didn't didn't know you well but you were always nice to me we're always cool but you were always you had like this tension yeah and I always felt like I had to hug you m like even when I saw you when you were doing Chappelle like when I saw him this is amazing look at you like are you happy let me give you a hug you don't get it no really I really I was just looking at it all wrong right but you were doing well and I always felt like you it was and sometimes when you have this me against the world thing well it really becomes you against the world because other people feel that too and then they don't want to connect with you they well I'm in the world they they don't trust their emotions to just be relaxed around you right so there's a tension and a conflict there and it's like you're you're definitely different now you and you were different the last time I talked to you and you feel maybe even more different now yeah it's but that's right on schedule for what what what I did what happened what unfolded if you want to get super super but it's like even that thing of like you know when I met you 1991 92 pause right and then flash forward to this yeah I don't know man this [ __ ] worked out real good it worked out great it did but it's hard to see that when you're in the mo especially when you're caught up in your own thoughts well yeah and you're caught up in like I'm late or this I this is coffee is too hot or like this grievance Litany of like you're supposed that you think you're supposed to do it right right or it's like even in the age of social media and constant like you're gloating by saying your life's great right right there's that too for people a lot of people people don't have a good life right well a lot of people do but what have you done what have you done to try to mitigate that shitty life are you doing a checklist no are have you actively moved towards a more positive way and how do you treat people around you and but with you it's like I would check in on you every now and then we were talk about different things that you were doing like remember one of the first ones you were doing was the ketamine stuff and I was like that is wild but I always felt so bad for you I always feel like God this guy is just struggling with depression and anxiety and I don't understand it you know it's it the chemical stuff Kine didn't help the first time I did it two months ago and it was pretty great um but yeah I mean I that's the thing is it's hard to know what's going to do what and that's with any how much does exercise help you I do I have a trainer Etc but like I do I don't I can't I I don't I have too many inputs I don't know what's doing what you know what I mean like I don't know what's like oh that's definitely the other thing of like the the validation of a successful comedy launch yeah well that definitely helps yeah I've had a lot of friends that were depressed and their career started doing better and they kind of stop being depressed I know it's embarrassing but but I would but it's not really ites sense the anxiety of entertainment is first of all there's no clear pattern like go to school get a degree get your PhD do this do that there's not a clear path and you never know if it's going to work out and how many guys have we known especially us like who knew people back in the day that were talented that we thought were going to make it and did not and more talented than us and we're better at the time than we are and you go God how do they not make it even when you say are you moving toward are you doing anything to improve your lot in life a lot of people try right and it doesn't work it doesn't work yeah and then you go you know why did it work for you why did it work for me I can take some credit for effort I can't really take credit for talent [ __ ] would just came out I don't know I [ __ ] been funny since I was [ __ ] five you know what I mean like I've just kind of been myself so I guess I cultivated and I didn't and I was Brave I made Brave choices forunate it's incredibly fortunate in a time where some comedians have deals with Spotify worth hundreds of millions of dollars like in a time where you can make a ton of money as a comedian or or you know it's like at I was think this about athletes I'm sure you have too like a 100 years ago none of the guys none of the you know 100 millionaire athletes are [ __ ] they're all just like good Farmers yeah didn't exist one of the best farmers in the area yeah like what what did it mean to be medalist in 1910 yeah AGG yeah you weren't getting an endorsement deal it's just like you yeah so so we're really lucky we're just lucky in so many ways but I think the whenever I tell people that it's like yeah but you're good too I'm like so what I yes but I don't I can't take credit for that yeah and it's also like everyone's formula for success is different no one can take your formula and just plug it into their life it's like but you have different circumstances you have different hormones you have different everything different life experiences different goals and needs and aspirations different interests you know different mentality it's like it doesn't work that way it's like everyone has to find whatever the formula is but there's certain things that seem to be they seem to exist and gratitude is a big one that's such a hippie unfortunately a co-opted word yeah you talked about it with Chris Williamson I think right you guys talked about and it is it really is like oied Hallmark ified yeah yeah but but real yeah man I think it's just a better way to look at it's just a better way to look and but we're sort of trained to make it like no you did it cuz you ground you grinded in Rose when no one else was all your enemies were asleep and you were doing C whatever yeah yes that's true too that's it also yes it is true but like I said a lot of people do that doesn't work yeah they can't they don't they freeze up when the mic comes whatever they just whatever it is there are you and I both worked hard and are [ __ ] fortunate be I I mean I had the thought I I'm so fortunate I could there's nothing I can do to compensate for this this level of Fortune meaning like there's no level of volunteer work right I can volunteer the rest of my life but you know what you do do you you live a life by example and then this conversation is so insanely valuable cuz there's going to be millions of people that hear you talk and say these things and those people many of them are going to get in their mind that there's a pathway out of this maybe I can't take Neil Brennan's pathway but there's a pathway out of this and here's a guy that was like deep dark like I remember running into you in the hallway one time at The Comedy Store and you just had this look on your face like the [ __ ] the weight of the world was on your shoulders and when I would say hi to you whenever I'd say hi to you I would always almost feel like I got to give this guy a hug I really felt that way like I want to give you a hug like I'm a happy person let me give you a hug and see if some of this [ __ ] wears off for you yeah but but you weren't you know you weren't you now you're a you're a different guy now and just by people knowing that even even though it doesn't feel like it while it's happening every time someone's in the middle of some [ __ ] whatever it is a breakup you get fired whatever it is when you're in the middle of some [ __ ] man it doesn't feel like it's ever going to change it feels like this is life from now on and it's unbearable and I'm [ __ ] and when people hear a guy like you who's not only made it out of there but made like real measurable success like it's it's quantifiable you could see it it's undeniable they go well maybe I can do it too yeah I hope so they can it and it it it uh it's not easy it's scary but what the [ __ ] is easy yeah you tell me something that's worth doing that's easy what what the [ __ ] is easy I don't I don't even like that word I hate that word it's it's just a dumb word easy Easy's not in the menu it's not but valuable well that's I think that yeah exactly but that's the thing that happens is like because it's not I was going to say like the Easy Pass like literally on the freeway like that's easy but even that you got to [ __ ] slow down right even that find the thing and you got to it's nothing tire iron someone left on the road yeah like it's not but but it's it's uh it's it is like you said it's worth if it's difficult everything's difficult and that's the thing that we can fall into this thing of like it's you had to dve you had to take a [ __ ] shower and shave and find a shirt and just it's not uh effortless but that's part of life and you can't get hung up on the sort of the uh upkeep part of it well my strategy for that is to self administer things that are far more difficult than anything that I'm might experience in my day and that's what I do with workouts like workouts for me not it's not just a physical thing it's a mental thing as much as if not more than it's a physic thing cuz I don't want to do it I still don't want to do it like sometimes I want to do it but most times I don't but I still do it and is it do you have consciously think like I don't want to do this chore for my wife or whatever and then go but you just you just sat in a [ __ ] freezing cold water for 20 minutes you can do it buddy I know or is it just embodied I've done so many difficult things that I'm just comfortable doing difficult things and I know those Whispers don't do it take the day off take a nap do this do that I know how to avoid those but I know though how to avoid those just because that that's the path that I've carved in my head so my pattern of behavior is always gravitate towards difficult things and just do it you don't want to do it and ignore those thoughts and if I can make them so difficult that regular life is easy like if you can [ __ ] do a cold plunge do 10 rounds in the bag and then do 20 minutes and 195 degrees in a sauna like the rest of the day is going to be easy yeah it's going to be it's those rounds seven8 n and 10 are so [ __ ] hard you're drench with sweat you look over the timer five more seconds to rest before the Bell goes off if you just get through that man regular life is easier cuz it's not that hard you couldn't sustain it if regular life for me was like round seven or round eight forever I wouldn't want to do that I think for a lot of people you know they got to take the bus to work that is round seven like there are just people that have a higher level of difficulty sure existence and I've had those higher levels of difficulty in my life and that's one thing I'm very fortunate for being growing up poor I think is very valuable and it's something I can't give my kids and I think about that I really do because they don't understand the the fear of not having food they don't understand like your parents are on welfare and you know you're eating from Food Stamps it's like that fear that that drive like there's no one coming to save you you better go get things done and you have to do it for yourself and if you don't I still believe that there's a camp that you could start poverty camp for your for Rich Kids for Rich Kids you'd be faking it though they always know that you're going to be there to rescue them that's part of the problem and one of the things that I think can mitigate that is like them choosing difficult paths difficult things to do but it it'll definitely not be as difficult as a poor person yeah and that's and that's and like you got out of it and now you're doing you're doing pretty good so it's like I just think it's important that I it's important for me to remember I can't prescribe like gratitude will do it good I don't know but that's a thing that really helped me I and plus ketamine trans cranial magnetic stimulation zoff DMT iasa mushrooms a uh MDM you tried a lot of things I've tried a lot of stuff and uh and I'm and I'm and I'm even fortunate to have had access to a lot of this stuff 100% um but yeah but the and acknowledging that but this thing of hard work doesn't isn't always a adequate you know it's like it's not it's not enough but it's something it's yeah it's all you can control that's what I write it's like I can't I may I can't be I'll never be grateful enough to for this but I can work hard and I can be focused on the stuff that is what what's important to me and hopefully it ends up being valuable to people but like I can't uh I just I I don't I I I'm I'm people would always go like you're doing so well and didn't I'd be like you don't like you said I'd be like you don't [ __ ] understand stupid this stupid sketch show is never going anywhere uh and then and then all these things you look back and you're like I should have been so happy yeah yeah yeah yeah and and and uh or I could have been so happy you know what I mean it's an opportunity I think you talk about this is very valuable yeah I really do I'm glad I'm glad you're happy and it's also the thing of like I was going in the I know you're doing a nice wrap up and you'll have to restart it um the thing of like some days I I'd be like I like we we all feel stuck in our existence you know and instead of i' I i' and again it's so corny but sometimes I write in my journal I get to be Neil Brennan not I have to be right I get to be Neil Brennon right yeah you and that's you get to be a father you get to be a whatever all the things that are like great yeah you're it's not a it's not uh it's not a threat it's a gift Elon posted something today about um or was yesterday that anxiety is essentially conspiracy theories that you make against yourself that's I literally had that same I don't I don't like I thought about it with you and Dave where it's like I don't have I only have conspiracy theories about about why people don't like me well I like you thank you buddy I like you too thank you all right let's wrap this up thank you for being here appreciate you and I I really do think what you're saying is very valuable to people and uh I haven't seen your special yet but I'm sure it's awesome you're hilarious crazy good Neil Bren when are you flying out number it's it was number four when you f back tonight tonight I yeah I was going to come to the club I I know all right another time yeah thank you brother appreciate bye [Applause] [Music] everybody

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Length: 150min 11sec (9011 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 12 2024