Jay Morton | SAS Star On Why Complacency Is Your Worst Enemy

I'm sorry on a worry time one of the first things I wanted to talk to you was about Everest because I went to base camp this time last year and when I was there I remember I remember Gander base camp that was pretty much enough for me and I looked up when I was there and I thought why on earth would anyone want to go any further what was the motivation behind our originally for you you know I think firstly having opportunity and and secondly you know everything I've done in my life has all been about always been about challenges it's always been about adventure even joining the Special Forces was you know about testing myself it was about understanding what my body is capable of and I think given the opportunity to go and climb Everest you know the highest mountain in the world you know it was it was an easy decision for me to make to go and do it for all those reasons that it texted me the right way you know it gave me getting my adventure it gave me danger which which I enjoy and also like I've got quite a lot of mountaineering experience and background and I find what I'm in the mountains that's my that's my calm space that's my headspace I enjoy being the mountains for those reasons and all those aspects just you know led me to make our decision to go in climate what was the preparation stage like how long in advance will you prep in training acclimatizing things like that so I've I've always climbed since I joined the regimen and I wanna win and train to be a German military mountain guide so I've got a lot of experience in the mountains throughout my life but we actually run a package or run a training package to do Everest so we wanted to climb one 8000 metre mountain prior to do it at rest so he went to Manas Lee which is think off the top of my head the eighth-highest what might be wrong it's it's around thousand 156 meters so that was so that was kind of our initial testing phase and if we could could sue McManus Lu or at least get to seven 8,000 meters then would be prep for prep for Everest and we actually made a lot of mistakes on my own at SLU which was really good at first climbing Everest because we'd already made those mistakes prior oh man a salute we didn't actually end up so many in honestly you know and that's probably an in-depth conversation itself but we basically arrive late to the mountain so a lot of people had already self on the climb and we hadn't you know we we failed to acclimatize appropriately and you know we climbed in we climbed up for a heavy snowfall which meant there was a high risk of a large and so we kind of made a lot of mistakes early on in manually you know hold my hand up we weren't experts at that time still armed and then as you get to Everest you know the prep and acclimatization phase so the expedition is roughly six weeks then you you know it's all about taking your time to acclimatize so that you can sort the mountain safely you do that by climbing in climbing no more than around 500 meters per day so that you body adjust to it but then yeah it's just about taking your time on Everest it's not something that you can do quickly it's it's it's a very slow process and you know in terms of preparation for actual address I have the mountaineering skills already there I think physically I keep myself in a very good condition and I think just being fully rested before you actually attempt the client is probably is what I say to most people who want to do it is you know do all your doing fitness stuff Dorian you mountaineering prep but then say two weeks prior to you find out to country just have a period we just eat loads of food get loads of calories stick some extra fat on and just make sure that you turn up without an injury because you lose so much weight you lose so much muscle mass and you know you need the extra fat and you need to be be healthier and in a good shape before you turn up well with some of the the biggest challenges you faced on that claim may be physically or even mentally I'd I'd add so you know the first time I was summit of Everest it was I have to I have to hold my hands up it was like a really enjoyable experience and in terms of challenges we didn't really run really smoothly before the smoothest expedition I've been on and I felt like really fed acclimatize really well so did my climbing partner my felt thought the maze and even up until the point you know even summit day like I had so much energy and some of the Sherpas turned turned my Sherpa turned around I was just left on my own my oxygen oh really good inside my just I was know was cruising at good speed I think the second expedition to Everest totally different and that was last year and last year made it made it into the news made into the media quite a lot just because you're quite you know you are roughly the average number of deaths but you had a massive backlog and if you saw the picture that was taken upon Hillary step of the massive backlog of people it was like a big truck and that posed a lot of challenges in itself you know the mountain is dangerous but you know the people on day the people on Everest can be dangerous as well there's a lot of you know inexperienced people there's a lot of people that sell a lot of money and just don't climb it and I think you know they pose a danger and I was guided a bigger group so I had a group of around it was overall 12 people by 1/8 including myself that posed probably the biggest challenge for me is my own climbing one of those hills like it's fine it's just me on my own climbing I'd have to worry about other people climbing dangerous just me in danger but and I've got other people I've got got to look after and you know they've all got their own expectations of how they want to climb the mountain you've all got their own experience their own ideas and they're trying to juggle that whilst trying to get them to the summit and you know I always said to the lads I always said stick with me and I'll get you to the summit and three of them stuck them in the summit and the other one didn't get there for various reasons health reasons or the reasons but I think trying to manage other people on the hill I found I find is the biggest challenge with me is it clear mentally I'm fine you mentioned that second climb and I mean you said the first climb went so well and most people you know if they manage to do something like you know climb Everest that's enough for them that satisfies them especially given the success rate of something like that so what on earth made you want to do it a second time I was a motivation then was such a good time at the first time you know it goes back to to why I make my decisions and adventure it's about challenge and you know I think I think you mentioned on the questions it's like not being content and I'm one of the biggest that's one of my biggest things is like not being content with with pretty much anything and I've not yet realized whether it's a blessing or a curse because it echoes and everything of not being content with you know whatever it is I won't go into too much detail but yeah I think you know climb nothing you know something the first at such a great experience and I get a lot out there I get a lot of exposing myself to danger adversity I think a lot of people can get a lot of out of good outlet expose themselves to adversity you know there's a massive sense of reward standing on the summit of Everest and for me I think doing the first time and then you kind of well I felt like my my odds were narrowed going into its second time and simply just because you know I did in my head that I was looking the first time everything went well but to actually stand on the stove in that second time although it was a worse experience kind of meant way more to me than stamina at the first time I actually shed a little tear my father at the top as well yeah it's just that you know challenge adverse in just not being content with with doing it once do you think that's an important thing for everyone to aspire to now in the sense that I've seen I everyone's gonna play me Everest you know once let alone twice but maybe on their own scale look for that sense of challenge and adventure in life yeah hundreds a nothing I actually feel like it's something that the world misses these days be you know life is so easy right now well not now prior to all this it was you know life's very easiest it's it's one of the longest periods of peace and no war that we've known historically and I just feel like humans gain so much from putting themselves in some sort of adversity and yeah you're right it's it's scalable so it doesn't necessarily have to be climbing Mount Everest it could be going for a career path that you see is too challenging for yourself or you know entering a sport that you want to enter but you just don't have the confidence to do that those are all around those things and I think you know personally I've got a lot of reward from putting myself in those are the best places for example joining the Special Forces climbing Everest climbing all these other expeditions I get a lot of positivity from that do you think that failure or the prospect of failure is something that people tend to fear too much and maybe it's something we should embrace yeah I think you know the fear of failure is probably one of the biggest fears that everyone has personally myself I of it is it is a big big fear for me and it's difficult like we can we can sit here on this podcast and talk about yeah everyone should go out and just understand failure reels like and get over it it's very easy for us to say there's a pre-trip but it's very difficult for people to go and do and you know all you can say is you wouldn't understand the benefit of experience in failure until you until you understand it and get over it and you know some of those most important learning points in my life aware where I have failed for example I mentioned honestly before you know we made so much we fail we fail so much on some of the things that we did there that actually when we went to do Everest it was it was a breeze you know at the time like I was beating myself up for all those mistakes that we made coz they were a simple mountaineering mistakes but actually in the long run all those failures men their you know Everest was was was way easier than I thought it was gonna be did you just bein in a place like that and you know that the people native to that area did you learn anything again gained any perspective because if I scale it down to my experience I remember walking through the villages out there and seeing these people in such poverty and they were still the happiest people in the world yeah yeah definitely why he said like that scalable though isn't it yeah so much choice and everything back here you know they they just live simply and yeah you're right they are some of the happiest people in the oil but it's a testament to the fact that we don't need much in life and we get so much choice in the Western world you know on mobile phones like endless you know box sets on Netflix Amazon could deliver in less than 24 hours it's like it's like you know even this novakovic 19 things I don't know it's like I think the biggest message that I've taken up it's just you know how fast-paced my life was before all this happened and actually how nice or I'll kind of it's nice to know about that headspace that to understand that I don't actually need much you know I can buy my food and keep healthy I can keep active yeah it's quite nice to see those people out there you know you say poverty but it's not poverty because that's that's how they live their life yeah just look poverty to us because you know we have 55 inch TVs and 8k is about to come online and so that's their that's how they look like and it's the same anyway you go in the world you know Afghanistan was a searing mixed people there are unhappy in confused yeah definitely I don't know if you stop there or not I remember I remember getting that feeling of perspective um do you know a place called namuci I'm sure yeah yeah those are oh I could have lived there for the rest of my life I think okay nice places yes beautiful you just like walk up to the back you might you have a massive you Valley yeah it's not quite moving on then you we've touched you know you've mentioned your military career slightly what drew you to to that career and what did you think at least before you started what do you think or hope to get out there on a personal level so you know when I left when I kinda when I joined the army so I was 20 years old during the parachute regimen even when I first joined the army I didn't want to go into you know not that there's anything wrong with it but I didn't want to just go into say a normal unit or just the standard unit I wanted to to kind of you know as cliche as it sounds during the best unit in the military which was you know the parachute regiment of Marines and at the time it was it was aware between those two and you know I think that goes in you know I was quite gifted when I went to the parachute regiment that he was about the time that Afghanistan kicked off in 2006 went over there and you know involved that our fighting pretty much every day we were going out and get into scrapped saying the 2008 just not as intense and I kind of enjoyed that or again I got a lot out of it you know I enjoyed in different countries I enjoy going into some sort of you know to say again adverse areas or dangerous areas with the camaraderie shippers of being in a close-knit team where everyone's thinking the same everyone's looking out for each other in it it's that family unit going overseas and doing what what the military does best and I was attracted to that I enjoyed that aspect of it the whole the whole package of it and then it was right what's next what's what's the next progression of of how do i I don't know I develop myself as a professional soldier and how do i and you know how do I get the most out of this career that I'm in and joining the SAS is that is that progression and yeah it was he was kind of a no-brainer to go on selection and you know that was you know 10 years in the SAS came out last August that was you know the best of the best and highest in lowest times of my life yeah I mean we mentioned it you know with with the summit of Everest twice and I've taken that military progression to the SAS and and that feeling of of no one in the field content when you did come out here it is that not feeling content with what you've got and that time and look into it's almost that danger of complacency you a lot of athletes talk about is see when they have a massive goal or they've got a fight or they want to win a championship or something I think Tyson Fury talks about it well when you you know finally achieve that goal and you don't move the goalposts at all it's very easy to come complacent and then you know lose anything you add building up to that yeah it's true and it's you know I think the biggest fear of mine is plateau and it just you know just just being stagnant and I felt like that was you know one of the reasons probably why I left for military at the time I did I felt like a plateau you know you scored that goal and you know everything started to just become normal and the same it was it was then it's like not being content then what's next when you did come out of the military then how have you managed to keep that feeling of progression now know you've come out of something like a situation like down you back to you know normal life so to speak where does that sense of not wanting to feel content go now where do you focus your energy on coming up it's hard you know but leaving that kind of environment and goings with civilian environments difficult for any month you know the first thing that I missed was was people being around being around those you know those little operators so no the biggest thing for me is just trying to create that environment outside of the military as best I can so you know for now I you know I set up a clothing brand with two of the XS PS lights and we run that so I've got that that family unit there that come up camera [ __ ] and then it's it's trying to push myself in different challenges so you know business was a challenge you know when I submitted the second address that was when I'd left the military also somebody to manage the summit - Luke the second time and again just trying to push myself in challenges that I can do and then also just try to keep a routine where my mind's active whether it's education or physical health and just push myself into new challenges and try and find that adversity even like the TV show it's not normal for SF blog to leave the Special Forces and then end up on on channel 4 it's not a natural progression so again just learning new skills and trying to push myself into things that I find uncomfortable which is usually the best reward from yeah I mean I I interviewed one of your TV show colleagues who I interviewed Ollie when his on his book came out and we talked about I wonder if you were had the same experience when you came out of the military because that is almost all you'd been up to that point in your life and it's such an immersive career and I'm assuming a lot of your identity is tied into being in the military did you struggle with your identity at all and you came out because that's all you'd ever be yeah yeah I can and massively yeah you'd be you know it was all part you know you like I left the squadron and the squadrons the main fighting forces of the regimen you surrounded by 30 to 40 like-minded mad or alpha males well you know well well barking at a door to try and get in and shoot something it's like you're surrounded by these kind of my eight my extreme kind of people then yeah once I've been banned to everyone's competing with each other and I remember I signed off and it was six weeks so from the point that I signed off to leave in the military was six weeks and I remember like a drove out of camp I was like this is it and the next week I was sat in a flat that I was sharing with a girlfriend at the time in London just on my own wondering like what the hell what like what am i doing what am i doing kind of thing and yeah you identify as that person I wasn't in squadron yeah you've got there anymore and it's a weird thing to go through and I think most people that leave the military or you know you could even say you know anything where you are the top of your game whether it's you know Premiership footballers know Premiership Rugby players when you leave that thing that you know I was Jay in the SAS and you leave that now I'm just a civilian and like you know people still people still X you know still expect that you're like a special forces guy put Billy and yeah it takes a lot of getting used to you know probably took about six months to actually realize like not who I am but you know I'm on this different path now and I've got I've got these different challenges and different people around me it just does take some have just been definitely what are some of the biggest lessons you learned throughout your career in the Special Forces maybe about yourself and you know I think you know being in something like the Special Forces I think you know I was just I was just a normal kid from Preston you know it's absolutely no difference between me and and any other person Christ that I think the military in itself like the 14 years that I spent apart originally is my age maybe the best man today but you know the way it's done is you know through a lot of things I think I think discipline is is one of them the key things on this and I always think about you know all this mindset all this motivation like teamwork all this kind of stuff it all comes under discipline and you sort of consciously learn it in the military because you have to learn it you know when you go through basic training you have to weigh in your clothes and you're wondering why I am why I minded my clothes but then that then reflecting in combat you know when you're told to carry out an order and you carry that water hour so like discipline being one of the main factors and how important it is in in life and important it is in my life now just have some form of structure and routine and that all comes under discipline all the motivation comes under discipline and yeah it's like I think kind of what I learn about myself it's always a tricky question isn't it to like to try and understand what you learn about yourself and think just humans in general how resilient resilient we are not just myself personally but in general physically mentally resilient and how we're able to do things way beyond what we actually think we're capable of doing physically and mentally and it's just about applying discipline and having that motivation understand what you're trying to achieve you know yeah I mean you mentioned discipline is one of the main talking points I add with oli because he said when he started out in the military they they almost taught him how to do everything he ever knew again from scratch from like brushing his teeth to tying his shoes almost and it does drill last sort of sense of if you're gonna do something do it to your hundred percent is that something or is that a trait you've carried with yourself since leaving yeah I'll carry on till I die you know to hold my hand I'm not perfect either I don't wake up every morning like fold my bed a hundred percent like I'm my sheet like I'm not onto ten perfect but I think you know having the discipline to you know you want to wake up when your alarm clock goes off yes I made my bed it's not perfect you know be able to do have some sort of morning routine whether it's physical exercise whether it's been meditation whether it's a stretch and and just have the discipline to set that routine so that I'm out the door 8:30 I'm in the gym I'm into work I'm drinking enough water everyday I'm eating healthy food I'm surrounding myself with healthy education whether it's podcasts whether it's books and you know whether I'm making the correct choices in career you know expose myself to challenges outside of that career whether it's you know gonna doing a half marathon gonna do an ultra marathon that all comes with that discipline that you learn when you're in the military you be telling discipline away you know I wouldn't you know would be doing any of those things that'd be something something I asked watching Netflix series all that yeah you mentioned routine as well which you know throat interviewing you know about a hundred people so far that's one of the things a lot of the interviews come back to is that sense of routine and habits and it's awesome you know if you developed any habits that you can attribute it to who you also say you mentioned read in for example exercise and you very habit driven yeah very how my dream is I think all those things that I mentioned before health is very habit driven you know keeping keeping in physical shape is very hard driven education is very hard all these things that it comes down to routine and forming those habits and yeah yeah like I said before that's that's pretty much what I do like get up in the morning I have a morning routine I've got all these habits physical exercise is habit you know even down to if I need to do some work on my computer you know turning your phone off and just having that headspace you know no distractions to just be able to do you know 30 minutes to an hour of constant work it's all about following those those healthy habits you mentioned the the way you educate yourself is important what sort of content you can zoom in in that regard so mainly for me it's books audiobooks a lot of podcasts and I come on very academic what never was probably the reason why I went in the military so you know reading books take takes a lot of effort for me yeah we didn't hike tyson's autobiography probably not even a quarter of the way through and I've been doing it for about two months so and audiobooks are easy just cuz I guessed it when I'm kid when I'm driving and same with podcasts yeah I'm not very academic but even know everything's a form of Education isn't it for example you know surfing climbing they're all forms of Education you learn something whether you learn it and physically or mentally and that's very important to just keep up those those habits of learning positive things in your life and you know I think it's probably a habit of minds who just have that quest for knowledge or a quest to want to be able to learn a new skill like the minute I'm trying to learn the guitar absolutely dreadful I get a lot from seeing myself progress one of the questions I wanted to ask you and one of the questions that were sent in a lot I posted in a in a fair amount of fan groups on Facebook asking people for questions and this is the one that come up apart from the about 50 messages I got from middle-aged women fancy I don't know if you know about that market but is quite big yeah I'm sure you do know one of the ones that came up a lot is what it takes mentally to be part of a role which requires such high pressure danger responsibilities one of the examples of crop up is the helicopter raid on Taliban ie the factory you've mentioned in interviews before and have you taken any of those mental traits and sort of implemented in into life post military yeah you develop those transponster end yeah you know it's hard to stand here and say like yeah you need you need courage you need all these things because there are all things that you learn and develop over time and if you take for example a helicopter raid you know that was you know that was eight years roughly into my military career I've been involved in conflict whole in years pretty much the when we're not involved in conflict who were training rigorously especially in the Special Forces that's pretty much all we do is train so when it comes down to saying that helicopter raid you know we were we were three months into an operational tour in Afghanistan and we've been we you know this this this ideally factory rail was one of many and it was something that we were going up and doing most nights and sometimes days so when it comes down to it you know I always think of it's the same as you know the guys ticking on is is uniform and driving to the office you're in that you're in that mine space now what this is you and you know you're not feeling any fear when you get onto that helicopter you surrounded by a good team you know you know everyone works well you know how everyone works in it as an individual and you know you like I said you've known fear stepping onto that helicopter you fly into target in your you're mildly excited about what's about what's about to happen and because you know that's your job role that's what you do not when the rounds start flying back you don't feel fear you still feel a hundred wives thrown on the floor kind of thing but no it's like you know so I can't you know the best advice I can give is you know what it takes to carry out that helicopter and in Afghanistan is a lot of a lot of discipline a lot of practice a lot of training and you know what an exposure to you know what it is you're you know you've got a look at what it is you want out of life and if if you want those attributes then you need to start exposing yourself to what you see is adversity or what you see is this is danger you know it could be something as simple as that career choice for asking the girl out in a day or you know all those things that you see there's difficult things if you're scared of heights you're gonna expose yourself to height and that's the only way that you get in a headspace and get those attributes to be able to carry out those helicopter raids yeah I mean you mentioned you know that that fear when you know you said when someone's firing back to you it's not a case of can always say it's just another day of the office it is that you know there is that fear but how one now think about resilience how do you keep that focused mind in a situation like that where it is you know there's a high chance you may your life may be taken how do you how do you keep your mind on the task at hand rather than I sort of I guess fight-or-flight would be there the thing yeah again for me it comes down to training we've drilled this kind of stuff over again an experience the amount of experience and hours that we develop you know go into these you know blown low-end holes in walls and entering these buildings it's like you won you become slightly desensitized to what's going on and you know it's like a boxer he he builds reactions to what's going on you know someone swings a jarppi understands is going to slip and it's almost like that when you're when you're doing you know assaulting a target you've done it that many times you trained it and drilled it that many times that you you understand what's going on yeah and like I sense that you still feel feel fear you still understand line the moment when you stop feeling fear you know when you don't respect that fear aspect and that's when you can become complacent and die and essentially like you know if you become complacent and get here you know you're essentially compromised in that mission because you're gonna casually everyone else in your team has to get that cutaway out of that that slows everything down it reminds me of I've interviewed a few American Special Forces guys on on this podcast before and one of them was talking to me about how he remains comfortable in chaos and he says that in through his training they focused on things like breathing techniques and a way to slow that slow the breathing down before you know going into a firefight essentially is that something you ever practiced at all things like that like mindfulness or anything like that yeah I think that's all kind of kind of New Age stuff yeah I know the Americans have big big into it and generally what the Americans will research a lot of that stuff and then it'll you know you'll come over to the UK at Short and I know kind of now that kind of must be implemented a lot yeah a lot of there's a lot of calming yourself down when I was when I was there that was that was all a bit taboo and it was like no mindfulness was still getting bandied around kind of yeah at that time mindfulness was what like people dressing up clothing and yeah per person level I've been into meditation quite a lot from it and but it wasn't something that was special forces we used it at that time and you know I think I think for us back then like humors a big aspect that's in the Special Forces because yeah you're gonna little alpha males we all tend to make out each other in it it's you know you go out and do something you go out and whack a target and it's it's good to just have that humor aspect of you know like taking the mick out of each other I think that keeps the spirits up and that calms everyone everyone down and just you know almost all those just humor eise's like what's going on kind of thing and just calms a lot of people down not that we train that but yeah I can imagine you know breathing tech I use a lot of breathing techniques and that kind of stuff I got imagine in combat or in any stressful situation for example a job interview or something like that it's been able to come on your physical physiology now it's very helpful so is that something you you practice no then you see you mentioned meditation is that something you do and and what way you do practice that is just quite in a simplest formal so started using headspace about yeah think about six years ago I was doing so we had ASCII code - it was like really high on the German Olympic coaching team and he was explaining to me how again it's bit whoo you know yeah and he was how they implemented for the for the Olympics DT and trying to get that whole kind of mind-body connection with the skis so I was like I'll give it a try downloaded headspace and yeah I gave it like 30 days for me I get a lot of benefit from that I'm not very not very structured with it so I'll go for over a week meditating every morning and then we drop it for two months yeah and then heal up again for a month my drop it the minimum music our Karma studio ten minutes this I just so after the meditation I'll try and just keep mindful for as long as I can till that slips I get a lot of benefit from it a lot of benefit from you know just just anything just just headspace to stop you stop your thoughts from wandering and you know you end up in that cycle of a lot of stuff going through your head at one time and it just has the ability to just bring you back in the room yeah no I agree with that I think that I think sometimes you can just be as simple as that and I think it can be like you said it can be really helpful because I think there's a stigma about there were a lot of people when they think about meditation they think is somehow tied into like religion or you know all these it doesn't have to be all these chanting and sitting in circle sort of thing it can be just listening to an audio track for five minutes and put behind a breath or something rather than thoughts yeah I know it's thought the juice minute but I was climbing a lot and if I was if I was gonna climb a hard room and just having the mindfulness and I started noticing when I was climbing these hardwoods my breath had start to pick up and start you know start paddling and I noticed if I just calm my breath consciously I I caught myself down on the room be able to climb it a lot better he was just having these kind of realizations that I can calm myself down by just having a conscious effect on my graph and that reflects to anything that we do as we start the winding down now I have three questions left that we ask every guest the first one is are there any societal rules or societal norms that you love to break in all of it yeah yeah I'm quite a nonconformist I heard ages ago was saying she find yourself doing what everyone else is doing you're doing the wrong thing I've got a cabin it's kind of stuck in my hat [Music] you know I think it's about you know we get very conditioned in life don't move we've got parents that live together that married and you know you raised in this family told to go to school you told to be educated you told to go to college and you know after college you're gonna get the job that you have to turn up to at 9:00 in the morning and lead with five in the afternoon and for a lot of people I'd imagine definitely for me that's not something I would not conform to in a rebellious way but that's not my idea of a life of happiness in my life I think I think it's about me it's about understanding like you know what do I enjoy what makes me happy who do I want to work with how do I want to work how much money can can I have can I have a good life with and trying to trying to just you know look at those social norms bring them down and just trying to try to make that fit my life you mentioned self educate in a box and you did mention you don't read too many but are there any books you've read so far that have had a substantial impact on you yeah I own more books than I read yeah I think that's the case like most people though Tyler's distinct Amish girls yeah there's a few so sapiens is probably the first one yeah had a big impact on me I think understanding like why we are the people that we are today what we've been through historically to get us there Crom kind of the complete start to now and the second one the planets Brian Cox okay having that understanding is for me I enjoy a bit of a space keep having that understanding of you know how this whole earth and solar system was formed I think you know gives you a different perspective on life and makes you understand that you know we're very what's the word very insignificant in a whole graph you know things when you know we think about our lives are the most important things going in and then actually we just we just part in this whole like solar system or even bigger this this galaxy and then two other books which you know recommend for anyone right now to readers was man's search for meaning victory Frank like the Frank yeah Premal levy if this is a man both of both about Auschwitz and the concentration camps both both we treat Franklin primo levy were prisoners in Auschwitz people only documents the whole thing and tell stories and then victory Frankel's a psychologist and he goes into the psychology I think for me coming from like you know most of my life has been about people fighting each other and conflict just having it I don't understand it off like what like what what we're capable of doing to each other you know I think kind of every great leader or every person who opposes to be a leader should read these books because essentially like that's what you you know it was time wise it was the blink of an eye you know it was in are not parents or grandparents lifetimes it's very recent it's great understanding of what men are capable do yeah it's interesting because maybe 50% of the successful people I interview all recommend man's search for meaning really yeah it's probably our most recommended book actually so yeah I read that that book and the planets more than any other book could be done them about four times you're in the you're on the show who dares wins it seems almost a rite of passage for for the the staff on there to write their own book do you have any plans for that at all or any to have that as a goal at up yeah I do yeah currently just in negotiations to so do what now it should be on the shelves next January it's not a plastic holding it autobiography and will just come in with the structure as we speak can't wait for that my last question to you is we talked a lot about lessons and you know messages that you've learned throughout your life if you were to distill those and you had the chance to give one message or one lesson and imparted on every person on the planet what would your message be you know I think you just be you don't just don't be scared of things and just don't be don't be scared of putting yourself out there and um you know exposing yourself to things that are difficult because you know nine times out of ten there's a reason that your body doesn't want to or your mind doesn't want to say yes to that certain thing and it's it's trying to protect it but essentially it's you can say yes to to whatever you need to you'll get a lot of growth and benefit benefit from that I think also right now you know this current situation going on you know everyone thinks it's the end of the world kind of thing I think just understanding that how resilient the human race is you know the wars whipping through the fun and the plagues I think at one stage know you know we'll get through this in the end and a little back on these times is history I mean just just you know just to use just you know just I don't know just to use this time wisely though we've been gifted all this this time now it was something up in our houses and didn't get such a bad thing but uses time to educate yourself stay stay fit stay healthy connect with family connect with friends and come out of this a better person where can our listeners find you and connect with you on social media so mainly on Instagram so Jade double underscore Morton and then I'm also on Twitter and Facebook and I'm just launching websites actually been opening in the next couple weeks should be J more chill calm cool I'll link that in the description as well because I'm sure I'll be out before this podcast is awesome alright man have a good day thank you very much speaking here

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Published: Mon Apr 20 2020