Java, Python, PHP, JavaScript, C++, C# ... WHO MAKES MORE MONEY?

hey guys welcome to vlog so today I'm going to talk about a salary report that I found on the interwebs it's by a company veturi I'm going to overlay the report so you guys can see it so let me just read the intro paragraph and we'll get into detail San Francisco the tech hub of the u.s. is a great place to start when examining data about the technology industry one of the many benefits of working with vitter II as an employer or a job seeker is access to the extensive insight derived from our online talent marketplace so I have no relationship with this company it's just an interesting report that proves a point I've been making for a while now so we'll get into it in about two seconds here let me continue one of our goals is to increase access and transparency in the recruiting industry and we've seen one theme continually surfaced as needing the most clarity salary we believe having all parties on equal footing is a first step to improving the hiring experience for everyone but data we've collected for this report is based on actual act of San Francisco based hiring companies and and their willingness to pay for talented individuals in the tech sector as a leader in the space San Francisco is a great benchmark for the industry in general this is based out of San Francisco this is the highest tech of the high Tech's you know so it's pretty high tech and so let's look at this average salary by role to provide a meaningful metric for employers and job seekers we began breaking down salaries by experience and role among the roles we analyzed we found that data scientists and devop engineer's demonstrate the highest growth in salary progression notably there is a meaningful premium associated with experience data scientists who have more than 4 or more years of experience compared to similar salary progression other row so let me just point out something about data scientists you need to have a data scientist agree so years of training versus if you do full stack or front-end developer mobile developer you don't need to do four years it could be self taught online talk show good portfolio and you're gonna get a job that is neck-and-neck with what the data scientists are making well show you how close it is so for example if you look at the top of the list I'll try to overlaid here I'm just in case you're listening to this on audio for the first year front-end engineer makes 91 on average back-end engineer makes 94 full stack makes 89 mobile 92 product management 96 data science 96 DevOps 96 QA engineer 85 design 83 so some of you may going oh my god data scientists are making 96 and those loser back-end engineers are we making 94 you get a look at that in terms of percentages you're just looking at a difference of that you know $100 a paycheck or something it isn't much of a difference now you have to think about the data scientists they're gonna have to spend years and years and years in school to get that degree and the front end the back end full stack guys they don't have to as I said you can get up and running and well if any year you can find yourself entry-level positions in the front-end front and engineer back in full stack there's all web stuff mobile with mobile development you don't need that data science degree or about higher education to be able to get those jobs so if you think about that you factor that in people become data scientists look at for what four years minimum extra schooling minimum meanwhile you working in the field making 90,000 a year you're four years ahead you're almost 400 grand ahead of the data scientists when they get into it hard to catch up to you but let's go forward with just one to two years experience the front-end engineer makes 109 the back end makes 112 the full stack makes one ten and the data scientist 110cc already the web people catch up on average with any user so your your to experience they catch up to the data scientist without having to go through the higher education necessarily and if you continue on down the track you see again on average the back end engineer is 136 the full-stack 136 the mobile developer 139 and the day scientist 143 again between 146 and 143 is it tiny it's a little thing it's not much and this is average and this is for people getting jobs right so the point I'm trying to make here is that you shouldn't be necessarily chasing after the money because at the end of the day whether you become a data scientist what you do mobile whether you do full stack or front-end the salaries are all within the ballpark of each other you know this is a if the data scientists can afford to buy myself a nice fancy car so can you write there's not much of a difference another thing is that I would argue that full stack is a better choice because you have the much more flexibility and types of work you do and you also have a lot more flexibility in terms of what kind of job you get you know you go work for a large corporation small you could go freelance there's all kinds of different things you can do and I would imagine data scientists are a lot more limited because it's much more of a specialized thing although there's a lot of demand then you're talking about San Fransisco salary preme premiums next chart while there are many couple components that go into determining a salary location tends to be one of the top factors again something I've been teaching you guys for a long time now when you're looking at salaries you always have to look at the location you happen to be in because a house in San Francisco he's gonna cost your health a lot more than a house in Ohio or a house and you get the idea so you have to look at the location where you live where you want to live and look at salaries that way and in fact you might be making much less on paper doing a particular job in one city but you may be living a very I as high a quality of life or not much better if you live in an area where house doesn't cost you a million dollars it cost you 200 grand I hope you understand that you got to kind of look at all the different pieces anyway so they in the next chart they they they look at San Francisco premiums and you see a range between about a 5 percent to 11 percent premium for somebody who being Samson school versus New York City but let's let's forget about that let's go to the next row just a child want to point out to you guys now this is derived from data in San Francisco they say in this report notable observations include the relative premium associated with python especially when compared to dotnet and PHP we have fallen slightly out of failure which has fallen slightly out of favor in recent years additionally average Junior Seau reason for ruby of all a high demand scale is likely moderated by recent coding school graduates I focus on Ruby on Rails this is a 218 report so let me refute a couple things here before you start going crazy about all this hold on I'm just gonna zoom this in for myself all right so they're saying that python is moving ahead of PHP and Java so first year python guy make a hundred bucks 100 bucks the hour Ruby on Rails 97 Java 99 PHP 99 PHP dead PHP 99 wow those Python go Python guys notable premium I don't understand that PHP 99 vs. 100 one dollar one percent more I don't know if that's a notable premium you notice on the list dotnet and Ruby on Rails are lower than PHP can you imagine that dead PHP is according to this doing better but let's see let's move on to to four years again these are averages Python 114 Ruby on Rails 112 up yeah php.net 108 108 so after two to four year ranged I mean it's the tiny bit less less than 1% less right so PHP not doing so good C++ not bad you know JavaScript 109 but let's go - yeah let's go you know four four six six years experience and you notice about again Python 124 Ruby on Rails 122 Java 122 PHP 113 an hour so it's a little bit lower a little bit lower like six seven percent lower on average dotnet a little bit higher but if you go right to the end six plus years experience things start to really even out right so Python 136 Ruby on Rails 35 Java 134 PHP 130 dotnet with 29 134 for C++ 130 for JavaScript so JavaScript PHP you see you know 130 136 you know I have three four percent more I guess for Python people on average according to their survey but you know it's uh it's all within ballpark as I said so that's why I always tell people you don't get so concerned about what language you learn because you can pivot from this language to the next not a big deal and at the end of the day if you learn any of these things and you're at a competent skill level you'll do well you'll be making very good money very good money again one of the things that I emphasize is that you have to find work that's popular in your area you know even though they say python is huge you may be living in an area geographically where that's not doing they're not doing too much Python I don't know it depends I also say consider the type of work that you want to do you know you may really love Ruby on Rails and write Ruby on Rails you may really prefer dotnet and right dotnet you know these are averages right and it could be several different factors that figure into these averages one day I have to say and some people come to me too a lot of people watch this channel or sit in the whole business and order freelancing and of things that's something to consider right you know of all these languages the easiest language in terms of freelancing is PHP because it's so widely used with small business again let me just point out I'm not saying PHP is technically the best language out there not at all I'm just saying is that to save it at some dead language nobody uses is it's ridiculous it's just a ridiculous statement whoever tells you that they're missing they're misleading you these are all good languages I would be happy to program with all these languages except Ruby now I'm just kidding Ruby's a good language to accept you know it's super slow you're gonna have to spend three times as much on your servers to get anything done it's I'm just kidding no actually it's it's slower than PHP okay enough with the Ruby jokes no they're all I would be happy to program in all these languages to be honest with you except for C you know it's all good so there you go I think there's more as a report about they get into things like pre moves are paid for certain skill sets you know angular or not not too much of a premium here 0.4% no GS a little bit higher iOS react higher d3 G has never used that jangle let's Python full stack framework etc etc centers there's others up here but again don't make the mistake of chasing a few dollars because actually to 3k a year or 4k year doesn't add up to much when you consider how the taxes kick in and everything so I wouldn't get too concerned be more concerned about what you want to do be more concerned about what's happening in your part of the world and in terms of where the demand is and also understand that once you learn how to program in JavaScript you can jump over easily to Python easily the PHP pretty easily to Java although it's a bit more work there because of the nature of Java if you know Java can go to c-sharp pretty easily anyway you get the idea I hope this video is useful to you again my goal here is not to bash languages or to say that PHP is the best I just want to point out how the reality of situation you can't let the script kiddies out there give you this this illusion that if you learn the wrong you're gonna be nowhere or if you learn this language you're gonna be making you lose the cash more than somebody else's using another language it's just not the case if you want to really increase your salary in your earning potential as a developer once you know your foundations develop good communication skills number one written and verbal that's going to be huge in terms of advancing in your career as I stated in a previous vlog of a recent vlog those who can communicate well can listen could speak well and deal with people they're gonna skyrocket much more quickly than the uber nerd who knows another framework or another language so learn to communicate well first and foremost and if you learn some basic business skills so you can think like the decision the decision makers in the business or if you're freelancing especially if you're freelancing it's good to have some business skills because being able to understand the motivations and the thinking of the business decision makers is going to give you a huge advantage in the marketplace as well much bigger advantage than learning again learning a new framework or something you have to look at all these languages and technologies you have to look at them as being just tools in your toolbox and you pull them out on the need to nerd basis and away you go all right I hope this is useful bye-bye

Channel: Stefan Mischook

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Length: 14min 45sec (885 seconds)

Published: Mon Dec 03 2018