January 6th: Did It Even Happen?! (Spoiler: Yes) feat. Chris Hayes & Jordan Klepper | The Daily Show

hey welcome to beyond the scenes this is the podcast that goes above and beyond the topics that you see every night on the daily show with trevor noah on comedy central now this week marks the one year anniversary i don't even like the word anniversary because i don't want to keep remembering this thing but the january 6 uprising that went down at the capitol the insurrection uh a bunch of trump supporters went there and lost their damn minds and violently tried to stop the certification of electoral votes by storming the capital even to say it aloud it's surreal so we have two people with us on the program today to help us break this down the first gentleman is uh he's an emmy nominated daily show contributor and uh he was there at the capitol and he's always there all the time mixing it up with the trump supporters and if it's anyone that is not a fan of his activities it is his wife and child he is jordan clipper yes i was there with my emmy nomination where i should be thank you roy well jordan our next guest is a emmy winner okay all right all right that's why you put it in there that's why you put it in there i was about to hop in when you said emmy nominated and be like wait a second i was like oh that's jordan oh that's jordan okay go ahead go ahead he is the host of msnbc's all in with chris hayes and the podcast is why is this happening emmy winner winner chris hayes how you doing i'm good it i just am countering a very funny notion in my head of like jordan in the midst of the insurrection and people like starting to get a little like chesty with him being like i'm i'm emmy nominated i just i want you to know maybe you should back off a little bit because i've got an emmy nomination chris i'd like to start with you because you get to exist in a place that you don't have the burden of having to find a punch line in between vomits of information to your viewers the revisions i just want to just vomit straight by punchlines yeah that's what we're going for yeah the revisionist history that has happened around why the insurrection happened whether or not we can vilify the insurrectionists because like we're still at a point right now where they're still identifying people from the footage some have gone to jail some have been convicted but they're still stitching some of this stuff together i i want to i want to play a clip real quick of just republicans flip-flopping their positions let's just start with our elected officials and their opinions of the uprising the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioter we have were so successful under president trump the last thing we want to do is be fighting among ourselves we've had a hell of a journey all i can say is count me out enough is enough it's impossible for this party to move forward without president trump being its leader so you think it was an impeachable offense oh sure how do you grade trump as president oh listen overall i give the president an a and you lost lindsey graham when you lose all these people when tom cotton says it's time for you to concede uh i think that you've gone over the top he couldn't even use his own twitter account because he's been justifiably suspended for the last uh 24 hours there was nothing about that speech that was inside phone the president also used the term peacefully go down there he didn't just say go down there and take the capitol over chris yeah you hear all of that flip-flopping and you see it every day on a regular basis as you prep for your emmy winning program chris are we crazy just just just are we crazy for just trying to make sure people understand just how heinous this was are we i mean that no i it's been it's been a huge focus of the show for the past year precisely because of the revisionist history i mean i think there's to me there's there's a few layers to it right one is that like particularly in the context of the american criminal justice system the way in which policing operates particularly on people of color what we've seen with george floyd like the idea that people are going to turn around and excuse like mob violence after all this whipping up of this frenzy about it you know in the same moment in the same program they'll be like hey check out this smash and grab operation that happened that took a bunch of purses oh and also like it wasn't that big a deal when they like you know dragged a cop down the stairs and and and threatened his life but so there's that aspect of it which is like the idea that there's no actual standard for behavior that like if you're on our side it's fine and if you're on the other side it's not which i think is like an incredibly trumpian notion um and i think it's a conservative notion before that and i think you know liberals can fall prey to it too but it's on such display potently here so there's the sort of excuses and minimization then there's the just like crazy disinformation of like it was the feds it was antifa like trying to come up with these increasingly ludicrous and far-fetched notions to essentially be exculpatory for what people actually did and then the third aspect of it i think that's really important is people want to say oh well that you know some people will say well what they did you know obviously violence is wrong what they did at the capitol is wrong but like the 150 whatever 50 members of congress to republicans the eight or nine members of the senate that voted against seating the electoral votes like the entire project was insidious the entire project was authoritarian the entire project whether they were like at the ellipse and they were doing it peacefully it was just josh hawley like before they stormed the building yeah exactly like the the like that is the culmination and that is itself is in a sort of special place but the whole project was to overturn a democratic election and install an authoritarian leader over the will of the people by whatever means whether that means was mike pence ruling in a certain way whether the means was you know using loopholes in the electoral count act to get state congress delegations together to deliver the vote like whatever it was the whole project was rotten to the core and you can't just say well yes what they did at the capitol was wrong the whole project was wrong but it my thing though in a weird way clipper like i understand politicians flip-flopping because they have a check behind the things that they say they have a real motivation the voters on the other hand who decide to go and be a part of this in spite of all of the because people love to say they love to say well i'm doing my research well if you've done a little bit more research your stupid ass wouldn't be out here well the voters don't have a check uh and they're probably not going to get one but uh they do have an identity and i think that's the thing that i see people clinging to the thing that surprised me most when i went to a trump event in iowa a few months back and we brought up january 6. like there isn't there was no coherent um narrative as to what had happened on january yes uh in some people yes what what happened was wrong and it was wrong because antifa were instigators it was wrong because fbi cia nasa and any organization you want to throw out there some people said it wasn't wrong like that uh uh ashley babbitt was as a hero and there should have been more ashley's out there some people declare it was nothing happened on the sixth and and and to me again that that all has to do with more often now when i would go on the field and talk to folks you don't need a coherent philosophy behind what happened or even a coherent narrative you just need a foothold to get you to the next the next thing and at that point it was like oh you know so much misinformation and bs has been spewed since that that like yeah you can you can read something about the fbi antifa you can believe it didn't happen or you can believe it did happen it should have happened it doesn't matter it doesn't all have to fit it just has to get you on to the next thing and i i for one though was surprised how quickly that information and that those disjuncted narratives uh uh came about thanks to online [ __ ] they have a very interesting take on who was behind the january 6th insurrection oh antifa um like the corrupt fbi um basically rhinos corrupt politicians the deep state all of that i don't believe it was people like me and people like you see over there in that crowd that did it who who was but the ici and tifa were used other other groups like that it seemed like a lot of them were going into the capital to attack nancy pelosi and perhaps hang who what's that who which one the one with the bull horns he's not a trump supporter i don't care what his resume says he's not a trump supporter in fact do you remember the picture of the plane in afghanistan with all the people running next to it that was a balloon plane if you look at the pictures of the real plague and there's pieces that are missing from the real plane to that place so you're saying there's a conspiracy around the afghanistan withdrawal no i'm saying that there was one guy there who reads the only guy who turned to the camera and waved his hands do y'all remember that everybody remember that he's the guy with horns on his hat he was in afghanistan yes go look at the pictures i think he's in jail right now did you go for the the the jfk junior dead body return from the death penalty oh no are you kidding trust me i'm using my frequent flyer miles that one's that one's on the list every i get more i get more tweets about that of like are you coming to this are you coming it's almost like a relative now people are like you got to go down to dallas you know your homies are hanging out down by down on the grassy no are you gonna go see them they're they're waiting for you i do think there's a little bit of a distinction because like that that is like the hardest of the hard like that is like that is genuine mass delusion in in a really acute sense i think that what's on display more broadly among the sort of grassers right is also a form of mass illusion but a little more grounded a little more complex and a little more like grounded and familiar things like it's funny what you're just saying jordan there because i i've had this experience too it's the mode of operating that you operate in if you're in the heat of like a bad fight with a person that you love or like a or or an argument with someone like whether it's a you know a sibling or a friend or a spouse where like you're just churning through justification like you're just trying like you're not you're just like i won't concede i'm not going to give in to you in this moment it's like it's all will you're not like you're not conversing you're not like examining the evidence i mean i'm saying this is when like you're in a bad bad mood sort of it's all it's all the toilet seat that's been left up like okay yeah but is that is that is that all you have right now you're like is this a relationship podcast so are we talking politics i'm sorry no i just think i just think there's like a there's a collective defensiveness which is like you've put me on the spot and i'm not going to concede to you putting me on the spot and whatever it takes to to to defuse that to actually baptize you like whatever i have to say to sort of when you talk about like getting to that next foothold it's like debate it's exactly it's like i don't want to concede because then i'm i'm i'm giving away some power to you and i feel already oppressed by you and that i think is is the kind of operational mode of a lot of people in the kind of like maga where it really isn't coherent like i mean my one of my favorite stories is like and i'm sure maybe you guys have seen this but it was it was like a few days after the the insurrection where there was like a guy who was in it who had to go on his facebook page to be like i see all these people blaming antifa it i'm telling you i was there don't it wasn't antifa we did it the patriots like he's pissed off that andy was getting the credit for what he did and has to go into these like crazy disinformation networks that he has embedded in to be like yo hey i was there we did it stop giving them credit for what these patriots did and it was just a perfect to me encapsulation of like they're really your point to get back to your point jordan there is no actual coherent story about january 6th on the right there's a bunch of different stories that are thrown out to move on to the next topic distract or mass exclapate the folks involved so that you can get back to the real thing which is that the libs are oppressing you in whatever way and that's what i want to get to after the break because i'm just i'm curious about the msnbc chris hayes news curation process because we're always stuck at the daily show with do we follow the crazy thing that just happened that's being reconstituted or something different or do we follow the new crazy thing that is happening or is about to happen and i'm very curious how you decide which ones to bring to light uh on your show this is beyond the scenes we'll be right back and in doing that is that how you achieve an emmy i guess is the other question well that's yeah i mean that's well you have to sign up for the master class for that that's like uh i know everybody's doing masterclass now how we doing this jordan clipper chris hayes are we saying happy jan six are we saying j6 do we say never forget do we say always forget yeah i think it's just important to keep saying the date because i think five years from now there's a legitimate chance we go from january 5th to january 7th on the gregorian calendar and so whatever you do just make sure you repeat the date so people understand that it is a moment in time like we just agree a moment in time that day never existed it just didn't happen we can you believe it we remember the alamo do you know what happened at the alamo yeah it was a terrible loss poorly planned davey crockett went down the guy who created the bowie knife uh went down like i said that's a terrible story we should forget that story poor planning on america's part yeah we remember that january 6 we could take a lot of lessons from that and we are we are we're trashing it as quick as we can i'll be honest as a black person i am closely monitoring january 6 to make sure that it doesn't bleed over into martin luther king weekend yeah it's a little close dangerous could turn into a week-long celebration once it's a week long then it's a whole month and then you got mlk in the middle of resurrection this month or whatever the hell yeah patriot month patriot month [Laughter] so chris on your program on msnbc we just spoke about the misinformation and what motivates it how and what do you decide to report on on your show number one if just on some just straight up mental health [ __ ] how do you stay calm just in the morning when you're just reading the headlines how do you remain calm and measured as you deliver news that people are going to dallas to see the dead body come out of the ground i mean is it impossible to go and stay calm chris because we know you're going to go all in like you have to that's just that's the brand you got to go all in and so in the morning are you like should i just go half of the way in and stay calm or no this is what the people want like melbourne he can go halfway in but hey i am generally uh well i don't think i'm that calm honestly i mean i think that i what i try to do is i definitely think that i've spent a lot more time telling myself the serenity prayer about like things i can control and things i can't the wisdom to know the difference um which is a big part of it like i i think that there are times where because i do have a platform that i'm very privileged to have it feels like that i have more causal like there were definitely times during covert where i felt like it was my job to like save the country from the mass death of kovid and that's that's fair yeah i mean but and but i failed i mean i didn't didn't work i mean i you know we we i think and and right now i think i feel that way about like american democracy the way that i felt i think last year around covet even though of course we're still in the pandemic um but american democracy seems to me like i feel in a similar way of just like ringing this alarm bell like that's the thing that i have i have the blowhorn i have the alarm bell i have the platform we've been very focused on this story generally the story of american democracy in peril in in apparel that it never has really faced in this particular way it's faced peril in many different ways and wasn't really actually a democracy for the ver you know the vast majority of the country's existence so it's not like there's some like beautiful halcyon days to look back on but what happened i mean this is the thing that we focus on and we focus a lot on january 6th specifically but but more broadly like the fate of american democracy is that it's hard i think in the same way that i think the first days in the first weeks and months of the pandemic were hard it is hard to get your heads or head around the scope and enormity of what you're dealing with but like if they had pulled it off it really would have been the case that the fundamental precept that undergirds this whole thing which is that the people choose their leaders not the other way around and that a majority of people is what stands in for the whole when you're dealing with democratic elections to cast that out um you know really would have been an enormous epoch break with what we've had before and that's still that threat still looms over us can i ask a question chris like you talk about the the insurrection was something that had been happening the week beforehand and was happening behind closed doors uh are you at all afraid that in the discussion of this and how uh perhaps the media frames it and also just the the mindset of those who digest it we're gonna go down this rabbit hole and it's all gonna be about whether or not donald trump gave the go-ahead to you go straight ahead yeah that's a great point it's something i'm really trying hard to avoid because i think we saw that in some ways with what happened with the the russia story which was like oh we got him we're gonna get him yeah and also like while right and but it's also like take a step back it's like they the russians wanted donald trump to be president and sought to aid his campaign the campaign privately and publicly welcomed their help like and then they committed a variety of very serious crimes to sabotage his opponent those three things we knew from the jump like so and then you know and understandably got into the mueller and then it was like well they didn't find this smoking gun where he you know called up vladimir putin and said hack hillary whatever it's like well he said it he said it on camera i mean he said we're going to go down to the capitol now we literally instructed the crowd we're going to walk down to the capitol we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you'll never take back our country with weakness you have to show strength and you have to be strong it was like he he grabbed them and he bowled them you know down pennsylvania avenue so i agree that it's important to keep what is publicly known is unbelievably damning would disqualify him from ever holding any position of public trust ever and i think there's a plausible criminal case to be made against him under federal law he certainly should have been impeached he certainly should have been disqualified from ever holding public office no if we learn nothing new starting now and i think your your point is well taken and something that we really try on the show to avoid which is we're constantly resetting what are the publicly known facts and what they say about the danger of this individual and the movement that he leads and the threat it poses to american democracy whether or not we find out even more damning details which is i suspect we will chris on your show trump loyalists and insurrectionists you generally for the most part don't swim in those waters of talking to those types of people is that an effort to keep the misinformation to a minimum and not allow people to use your show as a vessel for misinformation like what walk me through the strategy in that yeah i mean we actually had two of them the other night and it was sort of interesting we had these two folks that were the people that planned the ellipse rally and are now cooperating january 6 committee um mostly because like they feel thrown under the bus by trump not i think for any noble reason above that um but look the problem is and i i learned this i i come back to this example all the time and i think my staff is probably tired of hearing about it but it's very formative for me like if you were in the left in 2002 or 2003 and you were in spaces you're going to anti-war protests or you're going to events you're writing for lefty magazines you were encountering 911 truthers a lot a lot yeah they were everywhere they would get up and ask the first question at every event and they and one of the things i quickly learned was like you couldn't get into a debate or win a debate with them because like there was no like they were like what about this angle of this shadow of this if you look at this lamppost by the pentagon it couldn't have been clipped by this wing and this engine but and all of a sudden you're just in this melting point of steel that was made in that year in the construction and you can't it's the same thing with like i think people that adhere to the big lie you know they're it's like you can't really engage on those terms and get anything useful the other thing for me and this is different for than for jordan is like we have a live show and we have these time limits and so we're controlling and wrangling well no it makes a big difference like you're online lying if i could go and talk to people and then take all that footage and figure out what we're gonna do with it but i'm there on live tv and not only that there's a responsibility of that which is that everything they're saying is going out to 1.5 million people and i'm in some ways responsible for that right so like so it's just a it's a it's it's it's a real heavy burden you carry when you put someone on the air about what is going to be communicated to your audience so then jordan how do you how do you balance that because you you do basically yeah yeah you do the opposite yeah yeah yeah let's talk let's talk i've got on my nice warm jacket let's stand out here outside forever and ever and talk to these people like what what are you thinking when you go out what is your objective because it clearly can't be to change their minds well i mean i think chris brings up a great point is the difference between live tv and something you bring back and you edit because it is true we there there is stuff that is in the head that is that is hateful or misinformation that we feel we don't add context to in our responses and that is something we feel respect responsibility towards if we put that out so there's there's control in and at it and we we take that all into account i think you know we we go to these events because one we want to know what are people actually talking about on the ground what is getting through specifically for trump rallies what is getting through from uh from on stage and what we hear in new york to the actual people out there and what are we missing uh when we watch the news because you know these news hosts they think they're so smart they think they got their big emmy award-winning shows but until they get out there they they don't know what it's really like that's right but i mean our objective we go with questions what what is seeped in where are people what are they thinking uh and we just go and we start to respond to that can i ask you a question yeah or do do they recognize you do they know who you are it varies i think it's growing uh but there's there's still i i will say uh there's still a giant bubble so more often than not i go to a rally and most people don't they're immediately skeptical because there's a camera and so you're you're bad guy because you're a camera but also right so they know they're making you as a member of the media and that is enough in some ways to put them in a sort of somewhat skeptical pace but not specifically like this is his shtick he does this he he you know he's going to try to trap him exactly they already have their opinion about the media it's either something that stay away these are the bad guys or these are the bad guys i'm going to win with them and whether or not i'm on trevor show or not usually doesn't come into effect although then there is a person who's like i've seen this guy's videos right and we're at a uh we were at an event uh a school board meeting and a guy charged me because i he was like that's that guy we have to have security come in and stop this guy and there's an altercation there so like oh that's not fun i think it also they don't like to be made fun of what i not january 6 but two weeks beforehand the million maga march right which was a beautiful march uh their number not a million but uh but what people don't often understand there is there's probably 30 000 people there but these are also poorly run events go figure which means there's two stages that are essentially a mile apart with 30 000 people in between and the sound systems they paid for can only you can only about 200 people can hear what's actually going on so you have essentially 29 000 people who are milling about and when you're interviewing people and and perhaps the people are getting upset or somebody's like i think i know that guy well then the two people who are watching become 10 become 50 and it becomes dangerous there so even if you're not immediately recognized we have to be savvy because there is a there is a mob mentality when you have a camera up yeah there's always something i find like unnatural and and can sometimes be kind of foreboding about the the role a camera plays in a crowd and what and what it does to help people behave around it independent of people's politics or you know ideological commitments just generally i've had that experience well and also it's they're dressing for it now you we make a lot of jokes about the the apparel at a maga rally and what has become so fascinating is people are going there to dress for being on camera for being recognized by uh donald trump or other folks it's you know so like they suddenly walk down an aisle which is essentially a dressing room and costume department they pick out the the most uh the most extreme points of view that are you could fit onto a t-shirt uh they put them on and what we started noticing too and then they're starting then they have to answer questions about the view that they just put on their chest which some of them have that view some of them have just adopted that view and now this camera is starting to craft a narrative around that person who has this thing on their chest that they speak for that maybe they just wanted that attention but they're already now uh creating this narrative which is which is only grown in the last two years chris there is definitely a lot of disagreeing on whether or not facts are factual therefore journalism when you report the facts which is your job as a journalist could be seen as an opinion what say you to people who believe that people of your ilk and i'm talking just prime time news in general are based in opinionated journalism and not factual journalism is there a way to unblur the lines where at least even if we don't agree on the solution can we at least agree on what the facts are or it's just if you're an opinionated journalist and if that's what i am to you that's just what it's got to be yeah i mean it's that's a it's such a deep question it's hard to talk through it because i've spent probably 20 years thinking about various versions of this all the way back to being a philosophy major in undergrad and thinking about epistemology and how people form true beliefs i mean the way that i think about what i do is that i have a point of view and a perspective and a set of values that i have that i'm pretty transparent about i really believe in democracy i believe in equality uh solidarity rights and protections the flourishing of people's lives um and i approach the news with those with those views i'm on the left for sure um people know that and that perspective colors what i talk about and what i you know what i don't talk about and you know what i choose to to spotlight we're really rigorous that we put things that are true on our show but the thing is that like truth is only i mean there's there's a bunch of different categories right so like you can communicate untruthful stuff or false and malicious stuff without ever telling a single factual lie you know then there's people who just lie right so like oh the the an italian satellite hacked the voting machines to change both it's just like a lot it's just like not a true statement and it's a preposterously not that but then you know there's a period where where tucker carlson was going around doing this thing where he was taking this open source vaccine reporting system where people could anyone could report an adverse event after vaccine and saying look um 1200 people died after they got their vaccine now or whatever the number was now that's it was true i mean like you know when you give 200 million people shots like some set of people are going to you know get hit by a boss they have cancer and they came up like whatever it is so you're not saying a lie right like it is factually accurate that that a certain number of people died after they got their vaccine shot when you go on air and you say it in that terms you are implying a causal link there that says these vaccines are scary they're killing killing people and not telling you about it and so like that line between like what's fact what's opinion what's perspective it it is actually pretty complicated you know because like you can say a lot of true things it's like here's here's my favorite example like racist websites okay like like really like the like if you go to like the world of like stormfront and and by the way which is like very adjacent to like a lot of donald trump stuff and there are periods during different campaigns and donald trump would like tweet these out like you could run a website that only identifies examples of black men assaulting white people in a country of 350 million and just make that all you show and it could be the case that like it is factually true that in each of those instances or each of the videos what you are doing is running a white supremacist website right and you're running a white supremacist website without ever like telling a lie in some sort of like sense of like these are facts i'm just showing you the facts of all the but that's that's like nazi propaganda essentially which by the way they used to actually like run examples of jews committing crimes so it's like this question of what is what is effective opinion it's like the world contains so many facts that in some ways what's more insidious than lies and lies are insidious we see with a big lie is which facts you choose to emphasize which facts you choose to focus on and so much destruction and so much um rune can happen based on which facts people choose to use their platforms for amy winner yeah i'm glad i'm glad you talked about that i could feel that emmy nomination just like cracking inside of me after the break i wanna i wanna talk to you all about where we're headed i don't know if this is gonna be a new holiday i don't know if our kids are gonna start getting jan 6 out of school for their own safety i don't know but i am curious about where we go from here and the role that the media plays in this this is beyond the scenes we'll be right back chris what would you say is the big was the biggest failure in reporting as it relates to january 6. let's critique our media co-workers here i would say that one thing that happened and i think that i actually think it's been i think the reporting in the wake of it's been quite good i think one misapprehension people had when watching it was that it was kind of goofy and i think that was because of what the cameras were showing as opposed to what they weren't showing so because you have cameras in the galleries you know what you saw was like the shade the cue shaman comes in and he sits on the chair and it all seems like stunty and weird they're all like recording themselves it's only later when you start to get the footage of like the cop who's being you know pressed in the door and and michael fanon being dragged through in the body cam footage and the assaults and like um and then the you know ashley babbitt attempting to vault through that broken window and the gunshot that that killed her so i think there was a little bit of a misapprehension in the beginning i think it's probably stuck with some people in fact some people i think tucker carlson's one example have tried to like keep that going like oh isn't this a goofy funny like it's ridiculous to be scared of these people what are you talking about so i think that's a misapprehension that was pretty prominent at the beginning but i think has been i think has been turned around i mean i think most americans think what happened there was completely messed up like i don't think it's a i don't think the problem with january 6 is that people don't get that it was bad um or you know i just think that there's the the bigger problem is this that fundamentally the republican party is an institution has radicalized against democracy and that they have that that there has been a slow the institutions of the country have been slow to recognize that and they have faced no political price for it among voters you've done a record in saying that this should have been one of the craziest events in the last 50 years of history that clepper why do we care more about kim kardashian dating pete davidson what what i mean what's the attraction but she wore the yeezys she wore the yeezys when they went out on the date come on that's for your husband jesus there's so many articles day in and day out of why why don't we see more outrage towards this thing or this thing and i do think there's there's an over-representation as to uh how many people are actually actually give a [ __ ] about democracy and not in the sense of like oh yeah it's important i'll say that uh to an interview or what have you but like uh our interest in the political ramifications of what happens day in and day out most people i talked to there on january 6th again it's are there for the show and are there for the identity and i don't think would even articulate seeing government as something that needs to play a role in helping them and or helping society in fact they've been outside of the whole political world for years and it wasn't until this new character came in who welcomed them in they felt they could be a part of it uh but again it became about winning above uh restoring democracy creating a working government that could uh benefit people who are in need protecting people things of that nature like that actually was never an interest to a lot of the people we talked about it really was just simply about the the game of the gamification of uh the not only the election but then what happened after that and so when you're like why why are americans more interested in this and not focused on how democracy is crumbling because we were never interested in democracy as an idea we were interested at democracy as a um a bullet to put in a gun that we could shoot to win the contest of uh my team beat your team and and and that's where i'm just like oh i don't think americans are that into politics uh politics is something to um to utilize government so that its role can can help you uh ultimately uh they're into games or like civic work you know i mean i think that's that you know it does um it is very identity based and i also think look the attentional imperatives here to your point like are hard in a million different directions i mean people getting people's attention about anything is hard i mean it's like you know we've never had more um there's never been more things tugging on our attention there's never been things that we needed more focused attention on more um and here i'm thinking of the the climate challenge which is like quite literally the the largest challenge that humans have faced since we started civilization technically if mother nature bought some instagram ants and was an influence right right exactly continue sorry those attentional questions are really hard ones are ones i struggle with too um and uh i don't know the answer to them but you know there are a lot of people that are paying a lot of very close attention um there are a lot of people who understand what um how serious things are um and i think you know in some ways i think there's an argument made that you've never had more discussions about democracy itself as a sort of topic of conversation in my political life you know uh that where the issue about like are we going to maintain democracy are we going to strengthen democracy is like an actual topic of conversation that wasn't really the case i think like 10 or 12 or 15 years ago what could we expect when it comes to the future of democracy being attacked because the thing that i find that's interesting now is that a lot of the people that stir at the pot in 2016 have been de-platformed so a lot of the ways that these types of people can find each other and the hornet's nest can be stirred up is not the same trump is not on television as much a lot of his cronies are not on television as much so could they still mobilize like this again yeah it's a good question i mean i i don't know what the future holds i know that republicans have worked very hard to put people in positions to do and pull off what they were not able to do and pull off last time you have the secretary of state being primaried in georgia you got the secretary of state election in arizona with sort of like avowed adherence to the big lie pro-coup forces you've got a pro-coup primary challenge the governor of georgia right all these people essentially what they're saying implicitly or in some cases explicitly saying like i will do what was not done before which is deliver power into the hands of the candidate who lost because i don't recognize the legitimacy of the majority because they're not my people right so i really worry about that and look at at one level like there's technical problems here about the way that the law works and who's administering elections but there's sort of a deeper problem like i think about this old yogi bear line where he says uh you know they should move first base closer to home so there aren't so many close plays at first which is like you can't like there's no so like there's gonna be close places at first wherever you put the base right it's like if you have one of two major american coalitions mobilized against democracy with the belief that the other side is illegitimate by definition and cannot legitimately win whatever happens technically around election law like matters but ultimately like the threat is that that's the deep threat and that threat is there and growing and so i don't know what it looks like how it plays out but look elections end when the loser acknowledges they're over like as a function as a functional matter that's the definition of the end of an election and that can't be if there's a side that will never acknowledge that then that we're in totally different territory so it sounds like we're [ __ ] jordan i think that's what i'm saying but if cooler heads can prevail then it's gonna be all right and there's a lot of cooler heads out there you know you talk to them all the time yeah let me send you some links uh it'll put a lot of faith in uh humanity in our democracy there are cooler heads out there there are people who did the right thing last time and i think there's a lot of people in america who have a deep a deep patriotism and civic um a sense of solemn civic duty who did the right thing the last time around i hope they're there the next time and i also hope that those people are having lots of sex and making more people just like them so that my child has a decent world and that's how we're going to end this segment you and most podcasts like that i feel like i've heard you you really go to that well a lot roy just yeah you're really wishing i'm just wishing blessings upon people so um with that jordan klepper and chris hayes of msnbc all in with chris hayes every night on msnbc the podcast is why is this happening with chris hayes one is an emmy winner one is an envy nominee soon to beat any winner with all the hard work that he is doing out there in the streets uh i wish you all a happy do you think we're gonna have retail sales around the resurrection i'd take that that would be fine i would i would take uh just maybe uh yeah i wish you a happy resurrection interaction insurrection yeah i'm sorry i'm thinking about christmas no that's easter oh yeah okay i'm a christian i'm very unsure [Laughter] thank you jess for going beyond the scenes [Music] bye

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Published: Mon Jan 03 2022

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