James Nestor Had a "Transformative" Experience in His Holotropic Breathing Class

the Joe Rogan experience it's so interesting to me that breathing and breath work and and knowing how to breathe properly is it's not common knowledge but it's so critical to health and it's free it's not like we're not talking about something that requires devices or or like a long learning curve or just just some of these benefits so so many of them and especially the most simple ones right anyone can breathe in six seconds in six seconds out if you want to really go up to the next stage and figure out what breathing can really do for you on on a bigger and more powerful level you can do to mo you can do wim hof you can do holotropic you can do kriya as you can do pranayamas they're all doing the same thing and holotropic I haven't done it but it makes you trip right it's an interesting experience what was hard for you you know I know a lot of people have found profound benefits from this they used it in a hospital 11,000 people were put through this thing and they showed it was more effective than any other therapy me personally that the science is much more thin in holotropic breathwork and what I had been told by the instructors kind of threw me off where they're like they sit you in a room and they blast music and for three hours you breathe as hard as you can and they told me that you're gonna be able to enter into the space because so much oxygen is getting into your body the opposite is happening you're inhibiting blood flow to your brain and so your brain is processing that as a threat and sometimes you inhibit so much blood flow that perhaps your brain is interpreting this as though you are dying which is why so many people have this reaction where they said I am reborn after holotropic and that's awesome I don't want to take that away from anyone but but what I've seen is that this side there is not there's been a ton of subjective anecdotal studies not a ton of a few of them but the actual science behind it no one's gone into an FM or and looked at what's really happening and that's something I really want to do and hopefully I'm gonna be doing in the next next few months just just for curiosity that makes sense if people are having psychedelic experiences because many psychedelic experiences are tied to near-death experiences a lot of people that have near-death experiences they report these moments that mimic what a lot of people have experienced on psychedelics yeah so what they're doing through this holotropic breathing not harming themselves right or do we not know not not that I know of the the doctor who put 11,000 people and said there nobody had any problems there were no side effects so I've heard that some people can can freak out I heard that there's possible bowel issues involved and some some real meltdowns in in the class that I took I wasn't sure how much was psychosomatic and how much was actually because of the breathing I had a pretty strange experience where a guy turned into a wolf for a while whoa whoa real wolf went humping around the room oh so a guy not really you if I wish if it were real wolf oh yeah we've been incredible but he thought he was a wolf he inhabited the body he was just an [ __ ] that's possibly - and just like act it out or maybe he really became a wolf we will never know which is why the Stumm should be studied you know there's a lot of talk that breathing this way will trigger endogenous DMT and that's the reason people trip out so hard I tried to do a study in which I would breathe this way and they would take blood before and after but the scientists that I was talking to said it would be such a small amount they wouldn't be able to detect it so there there's a lot of gray area which to me is not a bad thing it's great there's still mysteries to breath there's mysteries to the human body right and if people are finding great benefit from this and there's no side effect and then that's great I just found it was a little little thinner than the other techniques like wim HOF method or like Priya um no I this guy that had this experience and he turned to well did you talk to him before awesome guy super solid normal he was a lawyer working in San Francisco and and left and went to live off the grid in a cabin in Mendocino which is completely legit and admirable and he was a he was a groovy dude and afterwards really warm welcoming guy so I don't want to take away any any process that he went through he said it was very cleansing for himself and I think that that's that's great you're a very nice guy we might have to rip on it right yeah I understand I understand yeah I'm just saying you're a very nice guy with your disclaimer I'd like to talk to him you know where we can find him he's out in the tundra right now yeah you gotta go hunt him down busy no I've no idea maybe right maybe he's got a like a caribou in his mouth could be so this guy ran around do you have clothes on we do yeah yeah he was he was scratching his crotch a little bit and growling and growl and it got it got interesting yeah everyone saw it and again you know he was going through his process that was cool but the whole time I was watching him breathing and he wasn't really breathing any differently than me because what you do is you have a half the class or the sitter's for the people who are breathing and you watch over these people in case they have problems so I was a sitter during this process I was not breathing I was looking at his respiration really didn't look any different so I'm wondering how much of this is is the set and setting of this you're in Mendocino you're the hot springs there's really loud music fake lutes music is you know that's that's something I wish they could have worked on a little bit I wish but it was a lot of like fake keyboard Lutz and cymbal the fake tinny cymbal crashes the the maqam hollow that's the kind of music they're playing yeah that would seem like you know when you're talking about set and setting that would seem to be like a terrible set and setting well a lot of people enjoyed that music and and good good good for them it would be interesting to mix it up with with three hours of death metal right and just see where that would take that one something good I blend that that would be fine yeah just um so when you did it so you were a sitter but then you also did it right and when you did it what did you experience uh well it definitely affects you because you're breathing in a certain way it's gonna affect your physiology so no I got really cold I got really hot got really Spacey I felt like I was kind of dreaming for a while three hours is a long time to breathe as hard as you possibly can but the shifts in temperature and in circulation cuz the body is trying to compensate right mm-hmm so the more your breathing your pH is gonna be you know going down so you're becoming more alkaline so so your body doesn't like that it really wants the pH because all the cellular functions happen at a certain pH some point for so it was to me it was fascinating to feel my body fighting against this and constantly trying to balance itself throughout the whole thing but it's definitely Spacey there's no doubt about a spacey would you believe uh you are extremely lightheaded you feel very high starting to Ben Greenfield about it and he said it was the most profound spiritual experience he's he's ever had just by breathing and a lot of people say the same thing I you know those subjective experiences are cool but I think it would be a lot more interesting to find out what happens to everybody not just one person when they do this and to look at the brain and to look at the body and really analyze that to see if there's some physiological reaction we know what's happening with blood flow to the brain we know what happened to the brain when it's denied blood for the blood flow to certain areas but but how does that affect us psychologically afterward how does it affect us physically I think these are good questions and be interesting to find out how long did it take you to feel like you recovered from that experience pretty pretty quickly I went outside afterwards and drank a beer in my car and just sort of rese entered but but it was mostly just that the feeling of extreme lightheadedness dreaminess and then everything just sort of boils back down in your back and Mendocino at the hmm and when when they sell you on this like what when they have a class for holotropic breathing what are they what are they saying it's going to do well they can't claim any medical benefits because the FDA would come after them but but they say it is a spiritual journey and for many people it is and and I think that's a wonderful thing that they're getting benefit from this and they use this this fuzzy language light like that because they can't say it's gonna help with your asthma right but but what's interesting is there are other methods like like Kriya Sudarshan Kriya 60 independent studies and is so similar to holotropic the difference is you don't breathe super hard for three hours you breathe extremely intensely for about five minutes and slow it down but let me ask you about the reason first a four creature so holotropic breathing what is the actual technique like how does it how do you do it you breathe as hard and as fast as you are a so you're not taking big deep breaths whatever you want to do whatever you want to do is fingered breathing through the nose through the mouth whatever you want to do they say through through the mouth is going to allow you to get more air in you know real this was um yeah yeah you get more larger volume yep yeah for sure and this was created in the 70s by stanislav grof who is a psychiatrist who was one of the first test subjects of LSD and he started using LSD at Johns Hopkins and in other universities and found had this profound effect for people with with schizophrenia and other serious problems it got banned in what 68 and so he wanted to find a way to allow people to have these experiences without the drug and so he developed this specifically to mimic the effects of LSD so and he's he's written 12 books on this stuff some of the science mostly the psychology of what's happening with it I wish that there was some more hard science to it there's not yet but hopefully that's forthcoming in that number three hours is that consistent they've been it's interesting when I did this and that this was several years ago it was three hours so you had to go three hours now they're doing I guess that was too hard for a lot of people they're doing these hour sessions which is uh which is news to me again everybody wants to be Swami Rama nobody wants to live in a cave for thirty years three our system Mary oh man I think you too much time bro you got it i but but if you're gonna go into that zone III think you want the the full pie not not just the piece yeah I would imagine um but I guess it's it's pretty hard for people to do that for that long I've had some friends who've done the holotropic breathing one of the reason why I asked you this and these friends are pretty hardcore psychedelic experimenters and they found it very profound they said that they could achieve states that are very similar to psychedelic experiences you hear that all the time and you didn't find that I found it very lightly I did not go into the the spectral universe and you've done that before have you had psychedelic experiences before I have I went to college but but I did not know them too deeply all these disclaimers my mom's mom oh I understand okay you can wink okay I got it [Applause]

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Published: Fri Jul 10 2020