Is This the Devil's Oldest Trick?

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Love your vids, man. Your 30 minute nuanced perspective video is one of the best arguments I've ever seen that I can be a sincere, contradiction-free Christian.

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/MofuckaOfInvention 📅︎︎ Aug 07 2018 🗫︎ replies

You have a easy to follow style and you covered your message well, good work.

I've never heard the phrase before (perhaps it's a region thing?), but it seems somewhat ironic to me, given, as far as I'm aware, that the serpent wasn't originally written to be Satan/the devil, merely a serpent.

It's also rather sad that people will place a loving relationship in the same category as murder, theft, cheating on a spouse... though it does seems a fairly common starting point for many to start questioning conservative beliefs and starting to think for themselves.

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/Aiming_For_The_Light 📅︎︎ Aug 07 2018 🗫︎ replies

Really wonderful video! Thank you. I'll certainly be checking out your other videos. :)

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/Fionn_Mac_Cumhaill 📅︎︎ Aug 08 2018 🗫︎ replies
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Growing up, I believed everything my church said without question. But Tony Campolo once said that even if you have infallible Scriptures, none of us are infallible interpreters—all churches are made of fallible people, and that really hit home with me when I realized I was still attracted to guys despite all my efforts not to be. See, my church had taught me that being gay was a choice, but I certainly hadn’t chosen it. They’d gotten that part wrong. And I started to wonder, if they’d gotten the choice question wrong, had they gotten other things wrong about homosexuality and gay people? And so started years of me asking difficult questions and doing serious Bible study instead of just taking people’s word for things. In my book "Torn" and in other videos, I’ve discussed what I learned from those years of Bible study that changed my mind from non-affirming to affirming. I started to wonder if maybe there was room for me to actually be in a relationship. Maybe God hadn’t actually said the things my church said God said about being gay. But when I talked to a respected leader in my church about my questions, he said to me, “Justin, you’re falling for the Devil’s oldest trick.” I’m like, “What do you mean? What’s the Devil’s oldest trick?” He says, “In the Garden of Eden, the serpent comes to Eve and says, ‘Did God really say…?’ "That’s the Devil’s oldest trick. Encouraging people to doubt the word of God. And that’s what you’re doing: asking ‘Did God really say?’” He’s not the only one who’s said this to me. I was on a panel a few years ago when a conservative radio host compared my affirmation of gay Christians to watering down God’s words on theft or adultery: If we do not believe that God could speak clearly—let’s say we’re the Israelites at Mount Sinai, say, yeah, "God did speak plainly, don't steal, don't commit adultery, but what does that really mean?" That's always the danger. "Hath God really said" the old lie from the garden. “Hath God really said…?” “Did God really say…?” The Devil’s oldest trick—doubting and watering down the clear words of God. Now, look, I’m the last person to advocate disregarding God’s words, if God really said something. But is it so wrong to ask if God even said it in the first place? I mean, it sounds pretty damning, doesn’t it? Until you actually read the passage. The quote is from Genesis chapter 3, verse 1. Here’s the context: God has created the first two humans, Adam and Eve, and given them a paradise to live in, the Garden of Eden. The garden is filled with fruit-bearing trees, and God tells the humans that they can eat from any of them, except for one forbidden tree. Ah, temptation. But things seem to be going well until a serpent, commonly associated with the Devil, slithers up to Eve and asks, “Did God really say…?” But wait. Look at the question he actually asks. “Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, ‘Did God really say, “You must not eat from any tree in the garden”?’” So wait. Think about that question for a minute. Did God really say they couldn’t eat from ANY tree in the garden? No! The answer to the question, “Did God really say…?” was no! God didn’t really say that! Only one tree was forbidden! This really is a very crafty question. Because look at what the serpent’s doing. He isn’t questioning the words God actually said. He’s doing something much sneakier. He’s subtly adding rules God never made, so as to make God seem like an unreasonable tyrant. “Did God really say you couldn’t eat from any tree in the garden?! How unreasonable is God? Why bother trying to follow the rules of someone that unreasonable?” If you’re going to call this the Devil’s oldest trick, then the Devil’s oldest trick isn’t questioning God’s rules; it’s adding rules in God’s name to create an unrealistically heavy burden. And this is exactly what some churches, like the one I grew up in, have fallen for. Growing up as a gay teen, the message I heard in church wasn’t, “Be responsible with your sexuality,” or, “Wait until you get married to have sex"; it was, “Don’t be a sexual being at all,” “Don’t be attracted to anyone,” “Don’t fall in love,” “Don’t even admit that you’re gay.” The best I could hope for was a life alone or trapped in a loveless marriage to keep up appearances— but even that wasn’t good enough, because I was condemned just for being gay, even if I never acted on my feelings. It was an unreasonable burden: Don’t eat from any tree in the garden. So is it any wonder that lots of gay kids who grew up in churches like mine just decided God was an unreasonable bully and walked away from the church altogether? Contrast this with Jesus, who said, “My yoke is easy and my burden is light.” That wasn’t remotely the message I heard as a gay teen. So next time someone tries to use Genesis 3 and the “Devil’s oldest trick” to keep you from asking questions about whether God really said something, encourage them to actually read the passage. Because the only way to avoid falling victim to “the Devil’s oldest trick” is to actually ask the question. Did God really say that? Maybe the answer is no.
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Channel: GeekyJustin
Views: 4,809
Rating: 4.8869257 out of 5
Keywords: gay, Christian, Bible, church, theology, Christianity, LGBT, LGBTQ, God, beliefs, devil, serpent, snake, Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve
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Length: 6min 8sec (368 seconds)
Published: Mon Aug 06 2018
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