Is This Just a Milwaukee in Orange? RIDGID's New High-Torque vs Octane & M18

[Music] [Music] welcome back to the torq test channel today we take a look at ridgid's all-new high torque impact wrench can it keep up with the impressive octane it's replacing how does it compare to the very similar looking milwaukee high torque made by the same parent company then open them up to see what we can find there and even swap parts between them to see if we can pull off a one plus one equals three sort of scenario on the dyno this is ridge's r86212 they're new this week 900 foot pounds fastening and 1 300 foot pound bolt breakaway impact wrench and those are no small numbers in the category either while it looks a lot like their new mid torque we just tested rated at 500 and 650 breakaway this is a little bit more plus size and you'll definitely notice that when you go picking it up but that mid torque was replacing an octane model that had census debut been overshadowed by plenty of competition this new high torque is another story it's unavoidably going to draw comparison to what we found to be the most powerful cordless impact wrench that you can buy at retail as in in a store the octane high torque that they rated years back at 1500 breakaway and 1100 foot-pounds fastening basically the highest stats you're going to find without stepping onto a tool truck and spending near a month's rent on an impact wrench and while it didn't hit those numbers for us you do it'd be a top pick from us due to how powerful it is this new model is smoother noticeably shorter which is always welcome and matches ridgid's brand direction lately with this sort of design but also less powerful and more expensive according to the brand that's not even us saying that 249 dollars versus 229 and their specs are less so obviously we're going to want to see how those two models compare given this turn of events but in case you haven't noticed yourself let's draw attention to the elephant in the room this thing looks like a milwaukee 2767 high torque like a lot there is 0.1 inches in length difference between them their rear motor bearing covers front hammer cage housings squared off sort of shoulders hardware locations and yes both are made by tti brands it's gotten to the point where on message boards we've even seen people saying they're the same tool and this thing hasn't even been out yet so we want to know too of course that wouldn't be a bad thing if this rigid turned out to be basically an m18 the milwaukee fuel sort of is the standard for powerful high torques in our experience and for good reason we all knew the ridgid was going to be less powerful so if it were sort of between the ryobi less powerful or milwaukee less powerful than that monster octane you'd prefer the latter but maybe it's just even less powerful than all of those there's no real guarantee historically we've had the best luck with the 3 amp hour octane battery which can't really be found anymore so like last time we're also going to be later testing the 4 amp hour max output that's now bundled with these and compares more directly to the milwaukee xd 5.0 shown here it seems so far that their newer tools sort of like the newer battery small sample size thus far though let's get into it our first test is working torque five seconds of forward against up first is the milwaukee versus the outgoing rigid octane model [Applause] 591 over 572 that 591 being a record that the impact held for nearly a year on this channel in this test now for the rigid non-octane just brushless well the smooth looking one 519 not exactly bad in this class but also sort of left out in the cold in this crowd the new ryobi high torque we feared this might just simply be a copy of underneath scored 443 here though so let's not lose out hope our next test is max twerk 10 seconds in reverse here's the milwaukee taking on that brute of an octane [Applause] 738 over 728 with plenty of gap on the curve from the octane's progress now let's see the rigid maybe it's the redemption time and that's right 748 then 738 then 728 the new ridgid squeaking out just at the end on top unlike most high torques this new ridgid is at least seemingly reverse bias sort of like makita's whether that was intentional or not who knows but still on the curve very much milwaukee-like and still not quite octane levels until the very end there this last 15 second test should settle the score a bit though freshly charged batteries the best runs they could muster for us let's see it [Applause] 791 and 778. here's the new ridgid [Applause] 782 just four foot pounds up on the milwaukee which goes up to about 12 foot pounds if we're talking just reverse versus reverse but looking at the curve the milwaukee and rigid trading advantages throughout this run and both very similarly below that octane there's certainly something there when we're talking the similarity between these two tools it's more than just looks size and weight from what we can tell before we get carried away though here let's take a look at the max output battery and then see how this tool ranks on our leaderboard given max output is the only way to buy new batteries for this tool nowadays you'd hope it was keeping up and we found that with their mid torque it was so hopefully this new high torque 1300 foot-pound model feels similarly also being their latest stuff here's the 4 amp hour max output so obviously in person we experienced this at 788 an improvement which is awesome to see only by scraping the data and later charting it do we see somewhat of a difference between the two with the 3 amp hour 21 700 cell pack bringing more across the run but really closer than we expected to see and not bad at all let's see how this tool scores on our ranking starting below the milwaukee for now its runs are turned into points as 52 75 and 78 8.3 inches long makes this one of the shortest cordless in this category we've tested and made a lot of power for that it gets 94.2 foot-pounds per inch of length very good it claimed 900 pounds which is a lot but compared to the 1 000 the milwaukee was claiming or even the 1100 of the outgoing octane yeah more modest than those and gets 87 for it 249 makes it well not very cheap it gets 47.1 points though not altogether bad for the performance and that totals 433.3 placing it atop both the milwaukee and the octane for basically downplaying its performance a smidge compared to the numbers they're usually using without just this nine points gap between these two models here it would just be ranked below the milwaukee and octane which is where i'd personally put it because it is a gun that's sort of just below these two but we have a ranking for just power to cut through all that confusion average power foot pounds per second across the run here it scores 600 which is a bit of a ways down mainly because we've only tried the three and four amp hour batteries so far some tools do get a bump from bigger batteries that are available so we'll have to see when the new 8 amp hour max output with 21 700 sells when that comes out how it can climb up from here oh but we're not done let's peek inside these tools and see if we can find some similarities to match their shared performance the outside nylon clam shells are very similar it's an obvious comparison these two tools even if you didn't know the two models were made by the same parent company once you open them up though some differences become immediately apparent the ridgid's primary circuit board is located in the handle here in the center the bottom location is mainly just a simple battery hookup the trigger is nice insulated from dust and ingress with bellows then you have these fiber insulated leads going to the powertrain pcb that runs the brushless motor the board is sort of partitioned to either side of this impact in brushless motor mechanism and it has this window cut out in the middle with some epoxy covering here the milwaukee on the other hand has its brains all the way down here the board is near the battery then that signal is transferred up to the motor with this ribbon cable it has a visually we'll call it simpler trigger with no bellows then its powertrain board is a circle here and it's just sort of out in the open no bridge with a window cut out this ridgid instead looks a lot like a really whole lot similar to the new ryobi high torque we've had open but props to shop tool reviews who has footage on it that we can use here does that look familiar not much going on down here wires with a sheath same trigger with the bellows bridge with the window cut out and epoxy here even the cooling fan is the same design as a rigid now that could just be because these two are very recent high torques from tti maybe milwaukee's next high torque will look a lot like these two do inside but these are impact tools so it's all about that hammer the ryobi's hammer and spring mechanism total 1.7 pounds here's the milwaukees so 2 pounds 4.5 ounces quite a bit up on that ryobi and now here's the ridgid two pounds 2.2 ounces so about two ounces between them pretty close that difference comes down to the hammer on the milwaukee being a little bit taller so more mass and a slightly larger spring the ryobi has a smaller diameter hammer but this rigid is the same just shaved down a little bit in length the ridgid has a smaller spring presumably because it's a higher rpm and ipm tool 200 more impacts per minute so it's having to overcome that spring more times per second but also why it's able to keep up at least in reverse we found performance wise with the m18 the anvils are identical except for their center pin locating holes so you can't really swap over these two pieces but can we just swap this whole impact mechanism set into the rigid and voila it does fit this is it sort of altogether the milwaukee impact mechanism set is longer so needed to take out this sort of delrin ring that the anvil sits against in the nose so now it's just up against bare aluminum oh well and the nose cover doesn't exactly cinch all the way closed so this pin alignment hole is no longer matching but they do seem to play nice together so let's just run what we bring you know we're still getting around 80 to 100 rpm more than we measure the m18 at so that extra rpm must be from the brushless motor difference maybe an upgrade but not impact mechanism weight alone and we found that in the past that adding rpm to an existing m18 hammer can uh yeah help a whole lot [Applause] let's see if that's true here as well here's the ridgid with m18 hammer internals maybe don't try this [Applause] 855. nice it seems like the additional hammer mask doesn't really play a part until things are stupid tight then it sees the benefits and makes significant gains over the milwaukee at the end beating out both of them and heck 855 bcs that beats a thor that beats the snap-on ct 90-50 heck everything half-inch we've tested save for just two near one thousand dollar models that we've tested on the channel so with this are we looking at the new milwaukee gen three high torque with the sort of abomination we've created probably more than likely just a weird thing we made that would break at some point and maybe can't perform with smaller batteries which milwaukee has to factor in for their customers that they might be using but hey tti you have the technology heck you even have the parts bin currently to slap this thing together we could make them for you over here at ttc some assembled in usa dewalt type strategies could be at play really this was just for fun the ridgid is different inside likely for good reasons not cost saving ones as far as we can tell maybe even a preview of what's next for milwaukee minus a few ounces where it counts but that curve of the octane man man oh man what a loss to be doing away with that model i know the chip shortage may have pushed octane batteries out and brand wise the new ridgid is all smaller and smoother but it's hard to not blindly think rigid got their hand slapped by making that one either way either rigid high torque you end up finding on your roll cart can't be mad with the beans that these bring past or present if you want to see more sometimes informative sometimes stupid but entertaining tool testing click the subscribe button catch us on the next one and thanks as always for watching [Music] you

Channel: Torque Test Channel

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Keywords: R86212, R86211, Torque Test Channel, octane, ridgid

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Length: 15min 17sec (917 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 22 2022