[music] London Silent Intensive 7th November 2014 Do You Want to Go All the Way to the Distanceless? Is Everything Predetermined?
(with subtitles) [Questioner] Namaste, Mooji.
[Mooji] Namaste. Thank you. [Q.] Nice to see you.
[Mooji] Ah, thank you. [Q.] My question is,
'Is everything predetermined?' [M.] Is everything predetermined?
[Q.] Yes, is everything predetermined? [M.] Like, what do you mean?
Everything as in what? [Q.] I remember reading from Ramana Maharshi, about everything, exactly everything, [Q.] even me doing this now to you.
[M.] Yes, yes. [Q.] But then I also remember Sadhguru saying, that nothing is predetermined, so ... [Mooji] Yes, yes. When you are really free,
you can say anything you want. [Q.] Thank you!
[laughter] [laughter and clapping] [Q.] Ah, that is wonderful. [M.] Because, actually,
there are no absolute statements you can make in the kingdom of the relative.
But they have a certain way, and very often a Master
may seemingly contradict himself all the time. But it's not a contradiction. This is the thing. It's not a contradiction. It is just somehow, something is relevant in everything,
in every moment of speaking. It is tremendous flexibility. Only the psychological mind has this rigidity. But as you come more and more
into your natural state, you are infinitely flexible.
[questioner in laughter] [Mooji] What is he really saying? One says, 'Is everything predetermined?'
'Yes, everything is predetermined.' Another says, 'No, nothing is predetermined'. 'Yes, OK. As you like, as you like.'
[laughter] Because they know it is totally irrelevant,
this kind of talk. It is predetermined and ... [Q.] Yes, wonderful. I get that.
[M.] You get it? [Q.] Yes, I totally get it.
[Mooji laughs] It's freedom, so it's the same as saying that whatever is said about self-inquiry
will be absolutely not true. [M.] Say it again?
[Q.] Whatever is said about self-inquiry, [Q.] is absolutely not true. [Mooji] Mmm.
[laughter] [Mooji] It is more that self-inquiry is a tool
for exposing the untrue, and unveiling what is true. But the true is not something phenomenal. It's not something objective. It's not an object. It reveals that.
So I don't know if this is what you mean, when you say something like that. It is a very powerful, the most unsparing tool. [Q.] Yes.
[Mooji] Ah. [Q.] Is the observer the same as the 'I am' state? [M.] Is the observer the same as the 'I am' state? The observer itself is observed within the 'I am'. [Q.] Yes. So the observer then is only a dream. [M.] I have to check you out a bit more, actually. It depends on
where you're coming from to say that. If you say it like a giveaway statement ... Because one minute I may say, I agree with you, another moment, I say, No, no, no.
What you're speaking is rubbish. [M.] So, I cannot give
this kind of hypothetical answers to things that seem like,
Oh yes, there's no such thing as that. Sometimes I may speak like this. When we're in a space like this together and I can feel the waves energetically, I can speak in different ways. And perhaps ...
You know, I have said, Don't make tattoos out of any utterance
or any teaching. [Q.] Yes. [M.] Follow them and get the gist
of what they are pointing, because they are pointing to something
that is not an object. So, don't go so much for these kinds of questions which seem like they have an answer,
you get an answer, and you go away with an answer. But more that you explore into something and then find that your position
that you had before may be lost completely, and you may feel scattered for a little bit, but something really comes back
into a much clearer space like that. [Q.] Yes, OK.
Sometimes there is this experience here arising, it is like a really strong vibration, and it's like I'm being pulled out of my body, and I get very dizzy at the same time,
like I'm going to faint, [Q.] and then it feels like death is arising.
[M.] Yes. [Q.] But then there is some resistance arising, [Q.] and then I am back in the body, so to speak.
[Mooji] Yes. [Q.] Yes. It feels very powerful and scary
at the same time. [Mooji] You continue to follow the inquiry
as I put it, and then this will change the way in which this experience will be experienced. [Q.] Yes.
[M.] Like that. [M.] You may find that
you are still very, very present throughout, even a sense of an out-of-body experience, because the self is not an in-body
or out-of-body experience. [Q.] It is non-local, yes.
[Mooji] Hmm. It is also local. [Q.] Yes. OK. [Q.] Here, nowhere and everywhere. [M.] You like this type of thing?
[Q.] Yes. [laughter] [Q.] I love you. This is awesome.
Thank you for having me here. [M.] OK.
[Q.] Seriously, yes. [Q.] No, but it really hits home,
what you are saying, and beyond the words even. [M.] Yes. Very good, very good. I would like to see
if we can raise somehow that place without such strenuous effort or something, to come to the place totally beyond the concepts. It is not difficult, not difficult.
Not difficult. And it is worth every moment. And then you can see that we are freed up from that conceptual realm, because it causes so much trouble. And the main glue to the conceptual realm is this unqualified 'I' feeling. Because if you want to find out
anything at all in this realm, I would say find out what the 'I' is. Find out what it can be, and find out if it has a solidity about it. You may not understand this in the beginning, but this 'I' sense is the most potent measure of all conceptual experiences. Find out what the 'I' is.
Because God says, 'I am'. But the devil also says, 'I am'. And the beings say, 'I am'. So are they all the same 'I am'? All of us have the sense 'I'. That must be there first
before any other thought can come. Before even the feeling of other, before the feeling of husband or wife, or children, or family, or country,
or religion, or even God, the feeling 'I' must be there.
It is the first born. Only when the 'I' thought
or the 'I' concept arises, subsequent to that other concepts can arise. So the 'I' is that position
whereby all things else are perceived. So, everything is 'else' to the 'I'. Find out if there is something
in which the 'I' itself is else. I am very open for this investigation
any time you want. Most effort is to create some shift of perspective from the person to the state of presence. Most spiritual effort,
sadhana, practice, exercises, is to move out of the limited range
or realm of personhood, into the state of presence. The state of presence is synonymous
with the sense 'I am', that natural intuition inside here. It is consciousness itself, that is announcing itself
in the body as the sense 'I am'. The sense 'I am' has been referred to as the 'Godly principle' inside the body. Research it. If you know what the 'I am' ... Is it fixed or is it shape shifting? Is it constant or is it varying? You must find out. When you find out, many, many unexpected things
will be found out instantly. It is pointless to study everything in life, and yet not know the one who is studying,
who it is. That which knows knowledge and ignorance, that knower, can that knower itself be known? Now these may seem to be mighty riddles
or something, but they are very, very ... The answer to them, if you want to call it an answer or revelation,
is right here. So I am not inclined to give any pointers that are going to multiply concepts. But more to dry them up, first. When they are dried up, we will still use them, like you use dried fruits. We will still use them, but their power will be
in the right proportion to you, who you are. Some of these things
may not be clear at the moment. So I totally encourage you to follow through
as we are speaking. Don't rely upon merely the logical mind. There are greater powers available to you. You don't need to know about them ahead of time. They reveal themselves according to the possibilities presented to you. And here, in satsang, the highest possibilities are presented to you, to go beyond the limited,
the limited field of personhood, to come first into the state of pure presence,
unmixed presence. When the sense 'I am'
sheds all of its association, or you can say, when it stays by itself without linking up
or connecting with any concept, that is pure meditation, in fact. You can watch. Then what I am speaking with you will become spontaneously understood. [Mooji] And I am always driving to this point
if I can. And not to waste time on useless conceptualising, but to make use of concepts
to go beyond concepts. And it is not difficult. It is not difficult. Why? Because your essential nature
is already beyond all of this. So I don't want to put
the barrier of time before you to say, 'Oh, you need a lot of time'. It may take time, strange as it seems, that it takes time to realise the timeless.
But ... My news is always good. Because the most beautiful discovery
is already in place. You are not here to create any state, but to discover the stateless state,
the state we are in. All other states come and go, but itself does not come and go. [Q.] Thank you. I am absolutely convinced. I am. And it has been now for many days, this. I heard your videos many times,
but, yes, this one, when you talked about
convincing myself over and over. It really hit home, because since then it has been, [Q.] I don't know, stillness, emptiness, void.
[M.] Yes. [Q.] And, yes, abide as that, rather than in it. [M.] Yes. Initially, we say, 'Abide as That'. Why do I say, 'Stay as That, abide as That'?
When you are already That. Why to say, 'Stay as That'? I will tell you why. Because the habit, the reflex, is to go back to identity, personal identity. So for a while,
it is addressed really to the attention, stay here for a while.
It is not always the same advice. Sometimes I don't use this advice. But if I say, 'Stay as This', there is an intuitive response inside that says, 'OK, leave everything else'.
When you leave everything else, you find after a while you don't have to stay.
You simply are. Just like if I say to you,
Whatever you do, stay as a man. You would be saying, 'Huh?' 'I am not staying as a man now. I am.' Isn't it? So the conviction that you are consciousness must be at least as natural as you knowing that you are a man, for instance. And it is more true, as well. [Q.] Thank you.
[M.] OK, thank you. Very good, very good, OK. [M.] If you find that mind goes spinning for a bit,
it is OK. Don't try and figure out anything for now. There is a space in the centre of all of that, that is just untouched. And even if it is only the size of a pinhead
in you, be in that. It will expand. Don't feel that if something feels stirred up, that means something is wrong. No, it means something is very right! Don't waste energy putting out small fires. Stay in that kind of neutrality. There is a neutral-ness in you. Move in that. There is nothing to figure out right now. Leave it to the activity of grace. Don't worry. And trust in that which brought you here. [silence] [Mooji] Because the psychological conditioning
and identity naturally fights against this to sabotage ... It will feel like this, the opportunity ... to recognise and be the freedom that you are. So don't be frightened by your mind,
if it plays like that, because it is not always the case. And hold this idea, this sense,
'I am here only for this'. Don't come here to learn, but to discover. Don't look for freedom in installments. There is a wholeness. Don't go for little things. Don't even try and evaluate any kind of progress, forget about all of these things, now. Yes. Something is taking care of you. Trust that. OK. Such joy to see you. OK. Namaste, thank you. I would like to see if we could come to the place that is totally beyond the concepts. 'Not difficult' and 'Worth every moment'. [music] The conceptual realm causes so much trouble and the main glue to the conceptual realm is this unqualified 'I' feeling. If you want to find out
anything at all in this realm find out what the 'I' is. [music] Most spiritual effort
is to create the shift of perspective from the limited realm of personhood
into the state of Presence. The state of Presence
is synonymous with the sense 'I Am' [music] Copyright © 2014 Mooji Media Ltd.
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