Iris After Hours - Episode 22 - Gershom Sikaala

welcome to iris after hours casual conversations with inspirational speakers off the clock welcome back to iris after hours i'm your host nathan kotzer with the beautiful crystal and human come on wow you never introduced me come on i know i thought we're just to remind you of who we are exactly i watched the podcast the other day and you introduced me so i thought i've got to introduce chris lynn thank you come on here we are and today we are really excited because we have got a really special guest he is an author i think five books humanitarian yes he's preached in stadiums he's stopped for the one on the streets he is a business owner absolutely yeah amazing man and he is like a pure man of god like just having lunch with you today it's been amazing to see into his heart and his walk with the lord so you guys are going to be really interested to meet gershom you guys you are so real people i'm telling you i've met a real deal people that are not just behind the camera but they read what they're talking about thank you for having me here thank you absolutely yeah it's really wonderful gershom you are a very busy man to say the least uh you your life is full of of extraordinary things of ministry of business of meeting with people um some quite famous people who we can't mention um and you were born in zambia tell us how did it all happen from being born in zambia to coming over into being involved in international business and ministry in the united states you know it's uh it's a miracle by itself um my whole life has been a miracle i can't even actually explain my life completely because um when i was born in zambia what i know is my my dad was a politician and well-known politician there he was involved also in uh in the struggle with uh nelson mandela with the first president dr kenneth caronda we're still alive today we just honored him uh with a dark trait to for what he did for africa is there only region alive today really berated a lot of african nations but but just just a little bit of background it was an intense time it was an intense time and my nation was also a communist nation because of what was going on oh really i didn't realize that yeah one of the the president uh that i knew very well he declared zambia as a christian nation come on uh dr frederick chidorova now is going to be with the lord and his wife we are very close friends she she was an incredible advisor to me she made me understand who i was because when i started preaching i started having crowds following because of miracles and signs and wonders in zambia that's where you started in zambia but your parents weren't christian they were not christians but now they are yeah yeah thank you jesus it's just amazing to see almost my own family saved and for me that's the greatest testimony uh than just to go out there in the world to try and save the world but my own household they're not saved but now i have a testimony that my jerusalem was impacted and that's why the lord was able now to release me if your families are not saved don't give up because god has not finished with you yet he will deliver your family wow come on yeah now how old were you your father died how old were you and your father died my my dad actually was poisoned and i didn't know that i i came to learn about it later on in life i'm glad i didn't know i was 12 years old oh what were you told did he just died off sickness or something he we thought he just died with the sickness but realized was poison for political reasons because zambia was a young democracy and uh there were a lot of leaders that wanted and my dad honestly he wanted to pursue the presidency so i'm sure that was the issue yeah i was frustrated uh i was upset with god but i remember when i was nine years old i had a vision of jesus christ that's what's really kept me going wow yeah what happened can you tell us about that yeah actually i had sore throats um i don't know what happened you know you could i couldn't swallow saliva properly i was having those sore throats and then i went to sleep then earlier it should be around 2 a.m to 3 a.m then i just saw a man appear to me and uh i knew he was jesus i called him in my in my local language called yesu yes i knew it was at nine years old i couldn't speak english so speaking in local languages and native languages i said yes which means i've seen jesus um when i saw him what was amazing was i saw him on the cross but he was talking to me on the cross i don't know how to describe this it's a now i can put it it was a vision of course jesus died 2000 years ago but he was so real there on the cross and the pain in my throat disappeared sage and curiosity started i started searching who is this yasu wow i told my grandparents it's another crazy story why i was with my grandparents um i told my baba i said baba and i'm lola yes which means i've seen jesus he just loved i used to have afro so i loved in my afro area like like that okay he did not he wasn't a christian but it was just so cool to hear his grandson talking about i've seen jesus he never said anything i was just happy then years later when i was about i think when my dad just died um i saw people that i call them the gideon people they were distributing small bibles the new testament gideon bibles yes a friend of mine tells me said yasuo is in that gideon bible so everything in me went like wow i didn't say anything but everything in me like jumped because my experience when i was nine years old and i've been looking for this yasu so i went and grabbed actually the new testament bible and ran away no permission nothing i just grabbed it and ran away because i stole the bad ones i stealing god's word i store the bible i need to be stolen more often so i stole this the bible and i was learning and and and people did not chest me they just said you were waving at me i was expecting someone and i was ready to learn because i looked at the guys most of them they were uh they couldn't as long as fast as i could so i went into my room knowing i'm starting something and i've never been i've never been a fifth in my life but i became i just stole a bible i became a few for one i twist for a couple of hours then i realized i didn't steal they were for free they were for free but i didn't know that you know it was meant to be stolen [Laughter] yeah so i went into my room locked myself i started reading that bible like i found a treasure in english in english and i couldn't even understand what i was reading about so i ended up buying bunches of dictionaries so i had uh i had i had nelson dictionaries i had all kinds of things everything i started reading like it talks about the city nineveh where is nineveh of course it was a new testament what is nazareth i would look at that because i was so curious yes especially when when it came to names we got this what does this mean or what i started reading it i did not understand everything honestly speaking but something happened to me when i read mark chapter 16 verse 11 it says you shall lay hands on the sick and you shall recover and you you will trump on the cobra the cobra one because there are a lot of cobras yes i used to live at the farm so i'd face cobras face to face before wow and then the only way to let the cobra go you need to stand stiff you can't shake it to bite you and and i've practiced that one time i was coming from school the cobra shows up it rips its head i just went like this until it goes down and leaves so and we knew that the cobra could spit in your eyes and you can get blind unless there's a woman with breasts breastfeeding they they can they can put milk on your eyes now i'm giving you a recipe wow yes yeah yeah so oh yeah breast milk is like amazing yeah so you can for the human being though you just put it there then it do it to neutralize all the poison and you won't be blind so if there is no woman who is breastfeeding then you are in trouble you are in trouble wow yeah so that was the only way but it didn't spit in my eyes praise god i stood stiff and it went most african kids were like that we knew how to under snake yeah and i knew how to cure a snake so once it falls it it gives me a distance now i can get to the stone and kill it yes yes before that nothing no action otherwise it will bite you so when the bible talked about the tri to trample cobras i said no this is not true you knew what that meant yes because most people were like cool i've never seen a cupro yeah you know they don't know i've never seen but i saw cobra and i've seen cobra bite chicken and they would die i've seen them bite dogs and dogs would die so i have experienced it i know friends were bitten by a cobra some of them were imputed and some of them they got brined if if because if cobra bites you here you need to to tie you need to find something very tight yes so that the blood doesn't you know and and and and if there's no hospital you need to use uh charcoal you know the charcoal yes the charcoal thing you need to cut it and then you put the charcoal uh ashes on it yes that that sucks the poison i'm giving you now so that's how you you you get cured about that yes otherwise if there's no charcoal there's no way the poison can be removed out of your system your hand needs to be imputed because to get all beaten up it will turn into black then you're gone but here in america you can go to the hospital they can put iv and they pull that out but yes most cases in africa so with this information now that jesus said i can trump on cobra i said no ways i posed my reading on my bible i was thinking about that then i went to school my friend was seated next to me he said teacher teacher my eyes can't see properly there they i'm in pain so he was crying because he couldn't see properly the eyes those days there wasn't uh there wasn't uh medication now that we we have now in africa where you can just put a little liquid and your eyes are cleared there used to be eyes problems and and and you know most people had problems eyes yes because they didn't have eye doctors so the teacher was saying i can't see sorry my my friend was saying he can't see he's in pain serious pain he wants to go home then i read that scripture that says you shall ray hands on the sick and the sick shall recover and i remember in nelson dictionary trying to find the meaning says placing your hand so that's what i did i placed my hands on him like this and you know what happened teach your teacher i don't want to go home i'm fine then i went like i didn't say anything i went like i was just so amazed how old were you this is when you were 12. i was 13 years old wow that changed everything you were 18 13 13. okay yeah i thought you were younger that changed everything i i wasn't understanding english that's why i was reading all these dictionaries to try and uh sometimes i would ask my brother my cousin actually he use used to start at cambridge uh correspondent so i i used to ask him i said what does this word mean are you tell me what it means then he didn't know i was asking bible questions because there was no one was we knew there was a christian was a christian wow when this guy got healed made me as a young boy believe in the bible 100 i remember every five of my beings saying i believe in this word i will stand on it i believe i believe it with all my heart from that very moment the bible changed the way i read it and i had supernatural understanding of the world now i didn't need dictionary seriously i would know what it means then i started sharing personal stories with my friends and my friends started getting saved i didn't even know the word saved parents would say oh my son just got born again i said what does it mean to be born again they said no you made them christian i said already okay so they were getting saved and then i started telling them if something is wrong with them i remember this guy i meet him in the morning around 8 a.m we're about to go into the classroom i said don't quarrel with your parents the bible says respect your parents why why are you caring with your parents this morning because i i knew i had that picture then he says did my mom call you i said no and they told a lot of people what was going on in their lives i just knew they were all saying what's going on here wow i didn't even know it was a word of knowledge now i understand we see we see it now in our meetings it happens now i understand but before i didn't know that and uh and what happened is that what was your family thinking when this was going on my sister yeah she knows this story no i love her so much my sister this is before she went to live with the queen my sister works with a queen elizabeth she's a diplomat to england patricia cicala yeah so my sister she was so worried she did that out of love she said please stop reading the bible she started giving me other books there are novels that you need to know you need to know get life read some books go some parties my stop making trouble my sister said go and party go and do something go on find some girls get busy because literally i did not go out i was in my room from school it's my bible wow i wasn't studying this isn't high school so this is in high school that's not normal that was not normal no i didn't have i mean i used to play soccer i even stopped going for soccer practice because i had to choose between going to read my bible then plus my homework and others so i spent hours my sister said gershom i really love you but i don't want you to just waste your life i'm told when you read the bible you get crazy so i don't want you to get crazy and that gosh how much is that the antithesis of the truth that really that really affected me sometimes i was afraid to read it because i didn't want to get crazy but i can't deny the experience and i can't deny the vision of jesus like when jesus appeared to me all my sore throat pain disappeared i can't deny all those things but i didn't share to them i didn't know if they would believe me wow but god is so powerful one time now i was maybe 16 17 16. i went uh my sister started she was the head of uh a minister for foreign affairs she was the head so she was given a house somewhere uh for our work and she had a friend who was a workman was spending she was spending a weekend in her house and she was in terrible pain guess what my sister said cole gershom call gershom no so i prayed for my sister's friend she got healed instantly and that built trust between me and my sister even today we are the closest i mean i i even bought a a bible to to put it in our office where the queen visits wow is is your sister walking in the truth she's saved she's she's she's saved oh my family is saved i've read my sister to the lord though five times i wanted to make sure but my sister she's the sweetest person ever met but she loves jesus and and she she she believes in what i do wow and you know being a woman and she's working she's ahead there uh a diplomat she's not she's not just a diplomat of just in england but she's also diplomat with other european nation she's she's like one of the top diplomats wow and she's a woman sometimes she calls me and i advise her to just give god the glory and just honor everybody so she trusts me that's great you know it's just amazing i can tell you stories then at school things changed i would enter into the classroom students my fellow students would scream and say we can feel the power kinetic energy whoa whoa look of god's power around you yes god's power i didn't know that they told me we know when gershwin is not in the classroom wow when i was growing up i wasn't as much vocal as i am because um i wasn't good at pronouncing things in english right so most of the time i kept quiet right so but i carried the presence i didn't know that i remember i remember one time i went late at in the classroom and people said you see this is what i was telling you can you feel this energy when it comes in i didn't know it was the presence of the lord one time when i was doing my 11th grade i would never forget this one i went to the boarding school you know why yes you know why i went in zambia in zambia you know why i went to the boarding school no because the school i was going to i started the fellowship teaching people about the bible the bible and i had the biggest fellowship no affirmation nothing he didn't even have a name so now i had the biggest following of any there was there was a quiz club there was basketball crab now there was just this crab that i didn't have a name that i used to meet people and people jesus's club so the teachers they didn't know what to do with me because i had so much favor with the entire school all the students were saying is a good guy i was healed i was touched my life is much more better i didn't know those languages now i decided to have a meeting on wednesday because i it was my day off the my timetable was off so i said well i'm off today's my off day uh in terms of study time you know these schedules they in zambia they call them periods where maybe it's your pe time yes oh or you can do whatever you want you can go to the basketball or to the soccer game or you can go to the quiz club whatever but me i started my own like bible study that day i said it's better i share the word of god it ended up growing up to 300 then then we ended up becoming even bigger than that and that time nothing i didn't know much about the bible but i had so much faith wow i remember i didn't understand why people were wearing glasses those who couldn't see properly you know yes they were wearing glasses i would get the grasses out and throw them and say you are healed you are healed you are healed and they were all getting healed wow just faith god can do that yes wow so did this school end up getting rid of you what happened when 2 000 students gathered that's where the problem started 2 000 students it was getting out of hand almost they were in high school god's getting out of hand i didn't even know about it and you know what i didn't even know what to teach you know what used to happen is i would see all these two thousand people i don't know what to say i would dream what i'm gonna speak every time i saw something in the dream what i'm gonna speak i even knew whoa so when i go home i i would i would go into the sleep i would find myself preaching you know in the dream in the dream yeah and i would know what i'm preaching then i would go into my bible and prepare a message like that that's how i prepared my messages i dreamt so if i didn't have a dream that is so cool i did not preach so it happened like for many years i dreamt gosh is it not wonderful to just do that i dreamt then i preached i dreamt then i preached so gosh that's incredible um i dreamt that i'll be transferred to another school then i read a book by john maxwell oh yes the leadership guy leadership that book saved that fellowship it still exists today no way it says a good leader raises up other leaders because i i didn't put myself as a leader i mean i was loving everybody then teach the word of god then tell people especially miracles and healings people were limping i would i didn't pray for them i remember i only started praying for the sick when i went to bible school but they would get healed without praying for it i didn't pray for anybody that time i just told them you are healed and they get healed sometimes i just taught the people like this if he's limping i said just throw those away you walk and people throw it away and they are walking you didn't even know how to pray for this i didn't know how to pray for the sick he just imparted it because in the bible there was no scripture that says he prayed for the sick the bible says jesus healed the sick yeah exactly so that's exactly what i my style so when i went with bible script it really messed me up a little bit i started seeing less miracles honestly speaking now i'm seeing more miracles because because because i prayed you were already in bibles you're in like holy spirit god in jesus school yeah yes gosh so it was like i didn't even know these things say let me pray for you when you're sick i want you to get healed there was this guy oh my gosh it's so amazing there's this guy said gershom i'm very sick then i said you are healed god bless you and the person said something left me and this happened like every day it was a lifestyle i didn't even know remember i didn't know this is what happens in christianity wow i didn't know now i dreamt that i would be transferred into another school and in that dream i was crying lord why then i woke up like that then i knew i needed to prepare for the new leadership for the first time i gave people leadership i said you will take over my position you will you'll be his assistant according to john maxwell yeah i followed those one i put a leadership and it was just one week i list my sister patricia said i know you're not gonna like this uh we found a very nice school for you you're gonna love it then i said i knew i'm going to another school right but why he says you know what the reports at school is that you have turned the whole entire school to jesus to this christianity so the teachers don't know what to do it's like you have more authority than the teachers than the principle i didn't know that they didn't talk to me well yes because when i called for a mirror for a meeting they all showed up and and they thought it was more important than going to classes than to come i didn't tell them to do that so i got transparent transferred into another school far away two thousand one thousand miles away oh my gosh one in zambia in country then it's a big country it's it's about two times texas oh my gosh two times texas yeah and we are texas is the biggest state in the lower 48 here yeah and we are only 15 million texas is 50. so la zambia has got a lot of land yes so you went to boarding school away from your family away from my friends my family how old were you at this stage i was 17 17 18 17 17. i finished school eight i finished school uh when i was 20 actually right it was normal in africa for people to finish school late yes uh yeah it's so i was so sad but i appointed the leadership so good and the meeting continues to go did you start seeing the same things at your new school what was it no i was i was frustrated yeah i was really in frustration actually i told god i'm not gonna do the same thing that i did in that school so when i went to that school i did not tell people i'm a christian but a miracle happened when i moved to that new school uh a friend of mine i can mention her name her name is muatita martira she became the first female friend that i've ever had just like friends yes so she we were doing i was teaching her math and she was teaching me others so we were like stud met we were just good friends i mean she did everything she she carried food in we ate together we we went to the games together she was just fun to be with so one day martina got sick and esther gradys said my teeth is sick then i said lord i'm not preaching but i'm i'm still praying you know i just i told god i said i'm not going to preach but i still love you i'm still loving you i'm still but i'm not preaching then uh that day i opened my bible found the way it says the and paul used an anchor chiefs yes so i got a piece of an anchor chief i said to gratis go and put this on matita's bed and she'll be healed so gratis was not a christian matrita was also not a christian they are christians though they're going to watch this podcast yes so grad is pressed the the piece of cloth on on the pillow and what happened is gratis matita got healed she said oh i'm fine i felt like just something leave me i'm fine now she was sleeping she had married now suddenly she's fine gosh and gratis says that piece of cloth did something and i said yeah i didn't say anything i still didn't say i'm a christian then martina because we became very good friends she invited me to go and attend to mass like the priest was giving oh yeah the catholic church so that was the first time in that in that school to go to church yes i went to the mass and and the priest preached he shared usually good stories then matilda said you are not a christian you need to be a catholic right now you need to convert yourself to catholics so otherwise you're not going to take a eucharist you might die if you do that that's that's the blood of jesus so i quickly did like this i said am i fine now martina said i think it should be okay because i really wanted i really wanted to take those yes the holy communion i know i had the same thing when i was a kid i was always wanted because i wasn't allowed to take it till i was 12 in the lutheran church that i always i was like i can't wait till i can take the whole communion sorry yeah no no that's good so i was like i can't wait so she didn't know you were a christian no she knew how i had a good energy and she knew that i was a good guy and then she got healed and she got healed yeah which she didn't have an explanation i didn't have an explanation i didn't i knew it was the lord jesus christ who healed because i had already first seen these miracles but i've never shared yes yes but gratis was curious about it gratis was saying something happened that's amazing actually graduate slaughtered me on facebook one day said you are amazing you remember when you when you gave me the the that piece of cloth she reminded me they are now most of them matita is married gratis is married all of them now they're married yeah it's just amazing um so what happened is after i took that the priest liked me he said you are special and i said oh um i never i never tested alcohol in my life but that was my first time to taste the alcohol oh the eucharist yes because it's real alcohol yes the blood of jesus is the real fortified wine yeah same as the lutheran church yes you know it's not really a scene but it was offensive because that's not the way you know i was learning away from alcohol in my family exactly yeah because your family had had trouble with alcohol yes so i i was like i got so upset after i tested that oh my goodness i got so upset so i told my teeth i said interesting matita i'm not gonna go there i i really love you i'm my best friend i would do anything but please i don't want to majida said please let's go to church again so what is i was so upset that day i saw people singing in the next room somewhere then i said it feels like the group similar group i had let me just go in there so i went there this lady started praying for me i was like you know you know when you're upset with god i was she was praying for me i wouldn't close my eyes i was like like this you know like this they were thinking i'm not i'm not i'm not a good person or some kind so they prayed for me but i felt something then uh then then then gratis there's another gratis i said gratis i know what you have then i started whipping i said i can't go back in this that's why i got transported it transferred i can't so i wept that there and graduates and other graduates there were two graduates yes wiped my tears and said it's okay it's okay i didn't tell me can you tell me what it is it says i just miss this but i don't want to preach anything then gratis said can you come on on a wednesday night again please so when the net wednesday night before that i had the dream that i am to take over that group so i dreamt that i i become the leader of that group and i said no god i don't want to become a reader of that group so when i was there they were voting for leaders because gradus was now going into grade 12 and is going to concentrate on our exams and then she's going to leave it it was called like a courage kind of a group it was like they really registered finally something something was going on yes so i was seated on the back i didn't say anything but i was thinking about my dream about taking over the group and they were like just 15 people then somebody said i really had a vision you know some people i didn't know about vision staff even if i operated in it but i didn't i said i had a vision that god is going to send somebody from the capital city and he's going to become the leader here then then i said oh this is gershom is new it's from the capital city of rosacea zambia uh he he he just i just invited him to come uh he's not really a christian he's just then somebody said what let's put him to be a leader he's a good man then i said like i don't want they said no let's vote everyone voted me in what can you do so i became a leader now i didn't like it oh my god goodness you knew it was gonna happen i knew it's gonna happen it was your first time there that was my first time there they didn't even know me that's so funny there were other incredible powerful people that you could admire mia was like just hanging out with two girls girls we were drinking but they were fun they were partying those girls but it was so much fun yes you know they would go for parties me i would go for studies i was and i was still reading my bible because i really believed in it yes so when they say oh let's go out and i said no you guys you can go but during our free time we really we were really friends and i think they liked me because i was so honoring to them yes and and they they were just surprised this guy doesn't do anything bad to us and just been a good friend you know so we became they were really lawyer to me wow so now i'm getting a new position and i don't want it so they were still around i was still not functioning in it they were still doing everything but i was still on the back one day that changed my life this changed me the we were having catholic interdenominational meeting the priests the catholics were ordering something for the whole entire school because it was patrick supported by the catholic the school so this was amazing the priest that girl prayed for me that i felt something she told the priest said can you tell gershom to open up in the word of prayer and there was about 2 500 students who gathered it was compulsory it was all the entire school it was it was in assemblies but i didn't want to pray i felt unwavy you know the priest said my son you know that's how the priest according yes my son you need to listen to me he is the mike pray in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit you'll be fine gratis your friend said you can pray i said no no no then because he was a priest but he was also a teacher yes so i needed to respect him yes he was some kind of authority at school very respected so i got the mic i started whipping lord forgive me that have not preached the gospel oh to me you do not preach the gospel but i ask that you do something here the presence of the holy spirit filled our entire room wow and demons started manifesting there was over 500 people manifesting demons wow that's intense that was it the most it changed me it made me holy again wow the the my the respected priest that i loved so much he loved me he picks up the bible he started hitting people with demons he recognized those evil spirits the bible said please go please go they were not leaving it was hitting them with a bible please god praise god he was eating them with the bible so then did you know what to do or what did you do then i knew what to do because i experienced that before you had okay i had one time experience and the lord showed me in the dream wow that when i face things like this i shouldn't allow them to talk to me i should walk in authority and command them that was the instruction from my dream that's a good thing everything comes to you in dreams that's a great dream come on yeah it's just amazing so i followed the instruction of the dreams i said i picked up the mic i said everybody quiet the demons the guru and people are walling on the floor it was scary i've never seen it on that level wow then i told the priest i said i know what it is and i know what to do he says okay you were still beating people at the bibles it was good that was my first time and i said in the name of jesus christ of nazareth whoa mind you devils to go wow so but what was funny is that the devils would come out of the people and they would go into another person so they were like you know what i've never seen this they would come out of the another person and enter another person and then another so you can be free but they end into another person so the process took almost all night then i didn't know what to do i cried to god i said god i know i've not preached the gospel i know i've not fasted i'm not prepared i'm not all that but please lord then the lord started showing me visions this is crazy while you're at the meeting started showing your visions what is all this is happening i became scared because can you imagine you cast out a devil then it enters another person you cast that from that person yeah that way yeah i've had some experience with that and that is very yeah freaky it scared me so i cried to the lord i said i've not fasted i'm not prepared on these things and all that but help me then the lord starts giving me a word of knowledge and visions over each person yes he says when you cast out the devils cast them one by one and direct these devils to go somewhere else so i cast it out to this girl i said you the demons came from your grandmother he killed chickens and blood that's where the entrance point so the lord started showing me all this she said yeah it's true my grandmother used to kill chickens and sacrificed it to spirit i said yeah that's what happened so just just just say no to that so she would say no then they would leave then i'll say i command you to to to go to hell then they would leave and and all devils were casted out of that place that was a change of my life i automatically became a man of god i started fasting i started praying because everybody was talking about what happened everyone was looking at me with respect i didn't have a choice yes so it's automatically i came back like i was back i started praying like a madman i would start spending hours and hours in prayer i found this big fig tree it was hidden a thick tree but i didn't know that it was the same fig tree that that actually people were going to smoke marijuana on they were you know the guys and you know the naughty guys they used to go and do drugs on that same tree but it was so cool hidden place there was like a little path i don't know how i discovered it and i wanted to go and help myself then also i've discovered the place oh this is a cool place and then i'm not gonna i'm not gonna pee on this place no no it's so good i'll be coming here for prayers so you were going there to pray other guys were going there yes same as american and australian schools at the time i'm sure yeah so i wow so i went there it there was nice stones there but it was nice it was all created but it was looking like it was a bush tree right you mean like it like you know it's no you know how the things do like this yes it was like then there was just a little entrance when you enter it's all nice inside this guy's cleaned it up was just for smoking so for me i said this is my place for prayer so i started spending hours my free time into that place in that tree and then one guy followed me to say oh we we let's go and smoke with him he's going to smoke then the light i can know what's going to happen now i didn't know this my clothes changed into white they shone they were shining into a bright right whoa and the guy laying away like he has seen a ghost told everyone oh no i've seen this he told all the students oh you know students can talk one spread can go all over they're good preachers of the gospel yes so the whole school started asking me about my club standing into this glorious light did you were you aware that that happened no i didn't know but i felt the presence yes i felt the sweetness of god's presence yes but i didn't know this is what was going on yes so when when he told me wow i said wow then i said lord where is it in the bible i realize when jesus was praying his clothes tanned like a wide leaning and the light shone up so i showed this guy that this is that's exactly what happened to you and the guy got saved whoa and and he became part of my group now my group i was very effective now jehovah's witnesses they started coming to know the lord oh other religions they started knowing the lord saturn is started coming to know the lord that was all different levels i don't know if i can go into that they were all people still getting to know the lord wow so there was like awakening then i challenged the school to start a day of prayer for the whole entire school they said no we don't do that we're a government school we're a secular school i said no we got to do this come on question so so prayer was introduced at school for the first time before it's me was praying for everyone at assemblies but i started saying no it's not me i want that one to pray i want everyone to pray so so every time we're at the gathering everybody expected me to pray because they started looking up to me and i said no i'm not going to pray i want this to continue i want somebody in the ninth grade to pray yeah 10th grade to pray and all that so even when i missed the assemblies i'm not there people still prayed yeah so it became now the tradition as a even now i'm told this the prayers still continued because it's like a tradition yes they don't know who started it but what happened is that my group a year later or so they're all the the grey twelves they're all graduated so our only man myself that group wasn't existing was just me so the other guy who had seen the light yes he became my first member so we were just two of us meeting so i was saying god who could meet in my room the lord said no go and meet there at the tree no no at the tree i was still doing it oh yeah but this is the wednesday in the classroom in the conference room yes i said god doesn't make sense and we met with this guy we tried to tell everybody to come off then no one showed up then i had a vision now i had a dream come on i had another being led by the spirit here without being lived by this i know no one was discipling you or mentoring your i didn't have i didn't have a mentor i didn't have that that's what's so crazy this is all now i have your mom as my mentor and you know heidi helps me and military and rafael wilkerson these people do help me you know and uh you know later you went to bible school but this is all before you before i went to bible school teaching i wasn't part of any bible class or anything wow the only thing that helped me was dreams so if i had no dream no answer that's good so tell us about this vision what was the vision the vision was i found myself wanting too much the crowd yes right i want people to come like the way it was in another school where i had a lot of people but the lord was not there right then i found myself with just few people the presence and the lord jesus christ was there so then i had in my mind not very but when when when you have a vision of the lord you don't talk with your lips you talk with your spirit you may think you're talking with your mouth but you're not really talking i don't know how to explain it when the lord appears to you you don't need to open your lips automatically you have a communication though though you are talking in a natural like the same way you could i'm talking to you and crystalline and i can talk to elisha and heather man with my mouth open you may think you're opening your mouth but you're just like this but you can feel like you're talking but there is no mouth opening but there was that communication so the lord was talking to me in my spirit and i would respond back and we were just talking like that that was like something else he says do you want the crowd of people without me i can give it to you or do you want my presence whoa do you want my presence then i realized i said oh my gosh what a moment what has really made me happy is the presence of the lord i don't care about the crowds i carried it that time i wanted the classroom to be full i wanted you know to have what the movement that i had you know at first because i did not think about the crowds i was just focused on not the lord told me that wasn't your original intention but now my original my intention was i wanted more people then the more i wanted more people no one showed up yes but before i was just obeying the lord yeah so now i'm not frustrated with one person stranded with this guy then i would go for a meal together then would meet again for bible study which i was appointed as a leader and i had a dream but there was no one else no matter how i tried i begged people can you come no we can't come can you come oh we're gonna come next week they never showed up it's so ironic isn't it you are trying so hard i tried so hard crystalron i tried i even wrote things in the pain like we have a meeting here please come i stuck on the board no one should but people said great things about me but they didn't want to come to my meetings yes now i was frustrated in that time then when they then had that vision there was like five six people we were praying and the lord jesus christ was there and the presence of the lord was so strong then then from that dream i dreamt out there was masses of people but the presence was not there so the lord told me do you want this or do you want this then i wonder lord i want your presence then i woke up immediately i started seeking the presence of jesus more than the crowd then people came then within one week we had 90 people wow within one week 90 people and we didn't even try anything i was just crying out to see the face of jesus crying out for his presence and telling him how much i love you lord i need you more than anything once my inside started crying out for the presents then people started coming and started experiencing the presence of the lord and we became again the largest group and that's why all my life i always say what really matters is the presence of god and i've come to treasure the presence of the lord if even even sometimes when i'm invited to speak to masses i always say lord i want you to be there i don't want to make that mistake i made where one mass is rather than your presence yes so i'm always cautious of that so that's that's that's like what started happening and then when i got graduated something happened a miracle happened i was invited to speak in one meeting for the first time and it was advertised on radio it was packed you know you you've been to africa you know sometimes churches don't have proper windows you know what i mean those yes it's there you know just picture those i was preaching in a very poor area so the place was small could only occupy maybe 100 people but maybe 500 people showed up then when i was speaking for the first time being advertised on lady in zambia and i was speaking people were falling under the power of god outside i didn't even know how to handle it whoa people came whispered said goshen do you know that people are falling outside people are passing they are falling these are non-christians they're falling that was like amazing and that was the beginning of the journey and now did you know then that that was going to be your life full-time ministry preaching [Music] honesty i didn't know i thought i'm gonna be a politician and i thought i'm gonna be a businessman like your parents like my parents i didn't know but one time i started praying more i'm telling you i can tell you what made me start praying more it's when i watched a movie ten commandment oh then moses was going to the mountain yes so i started going to the mountain as well the tree and the mountain so when you say pray more what do you mean how long are you praying oh my god sometimes eight hours wow actually sometimes you talk today about how much you love to pray so that's been a theme for you for years for years and this has not been like a schedule like for example yesterday the presence of the lord came into my room ah i was like electrocuted with god's presence and god's love up to like four a.m this morning then i only slept from five to ten then i said okay i needed to get prepared actually when you send me a text i was just getting dressed because the it comes a time when the presence of the lord is so real that your body is even in an expense a suspense there are times there was a time and nothing and crystalline that i i could pray all night by myself wow no church service nothing no music i would go into the church like 6 p.m with a meritory sleeping bag i would go there thinking i'm going to sleep i would pray all night long i would out it wasn't like a normal prayer it was a place where i could even have visions and i would pray and i would pray for things about the nations and i would hear them on the news no why i would pray for things about the country and i will hear them in the news one time i was in prayer i knew that the country would be the soldiers who try and take over the nation and i i went to this group that i joined i told them i said we need to pray that the soldiers shouldn't take over zambia he said no this country is peaceful then i said please i saw it in my prayer let's pray a few other people said he's just a kid but i still went ahead and prayed because for me if if there's something you know about you know i don't know about me if god has spoken i obey that more than man wow that is because that is so because that's exactly what heidi is like heidi is the same so it's uh i've lost friends like that then afterwards they tell me said you are right wow because because it's the only one i have when i when he speaks to me really i have no i have a fear to be a not to obey i'm not afraid to disappoint man i'm afraid to disappoint him because i i know his power i know his power is so real i know his power that one time when the car landed on me and the angel picked up the car and i was not lying on it people came and surrounded to try to think i'm hurt i didn't feel anything because an injury picked up the car you know this type of experiences changes you because it's one thing for me to dream and see but it's another thing to experience it yeah exactly so with these experiences they've made me trust the voice of the lord more so it's uh it's it's it's you know the lord started speaking to me a lot and and actually uh i shared with the big church they ended up actually becoming my mentors for the first time i found people to talk to in zambia yes there's this man they they they are founder of the largest church now it's called bread of life the the bishop is jo imakandra is respected he has he has preached at the tdjx and other places as well he's his uh his sons became my friends because the same age as me i talked to him i said uh many questions like i asked him how do you do this how did you have all this he says i do exactly what you do love the lord just keep loving the lord he said don't do anything just love the lord so i started loving the lord and the man started telling me said you're going to be a very great man i remember he could not allow anybody to drive me home he drove me in his brand new mercedes-benz to say i want to drive you to your home then you started talking to me say gershom god is going to use you and i think you've got a gift and you start practicing it in the small groups see how it works so i told his wife i s the pastor's wife i told his wife i said i had this vision she said gershom let's go to church right now we need to pray because i know you i know you think is going to come to pass i know it's going to come to pass so we went to the church and she told the whole church to pray about it she was the only one that acknowledged me she had about 2 000 members now that time but now they are over 10 000 plus she said let's pray we prayed against it and guess what within two weeks soldiers tried to take over the wider the the state house and tried to overthrow the president right because you had that warning dream yeah yes but they did not succeed the soldiers were captured wow praise the lord your prayers so so if we didn't pray it would be a military country that's awful gosh it saved zambia because zambia is still a great country now isn't it yeah democracy in a christian country yes it's a christian country and democracy but but you will love this after the president that declared zambia christian nation he was out of power we had another president called levy manawa is gone to be with the lord yeah actually wrote a song about him which was famous in their entire country yeah i wrote a song out of fun then it ended up becoming a hit for the country you wrote the song yes i love the song it is called twilight for the zombies you're gonna watch the song is called twilight you know it became a heat that's awesome you know i like this president but this president hated christians right he was a lawyer but he didn't like christianity um he wanted to declare zambia as a secular country yes i said no i talked to pastors you are just a kid you're just a kid you can't i said no god gave me wisdom said write an article so i wrote an article the importance of having peace and the importance of inviting the prince of peace that is the lord jesus christ i said christianity is the only region that does not discriminate other religions yeah when we when we look at other religions they are very legalistic to themselves but christianity you don't find christians cutting somebody's heard no we we're not allowed to do that according to the bible love your enemies we love our enemies yeah even when they chop our heads we love them when they persecute you pray for those who persecute you so i looked this article addressed it to the president and i went into the national newspaper i had this very nice suit that somebody bought me very expensive suit somebody bought me in botswana when i was preaching there this lady said the lord told me to buy you the most expensive suit because i wasn't really dressing nice so i went into my nice suit dressed up like a businessman and i introduced myself that i'm a son of the politician that then i said but i have this article they said we'll publish it it will be on a sunday time you know on the weekend when people are relaxing so it was on the front page for the president it came out and the president responded to my article and he used the executive order to declare zambia as a christian nation wow oh my gosh that's amazing zambians don't even know about that but they have written they have read about the the article but i did not put my full name i just said gs because of gresham cecal oh yeah i said signed by gs oh hey we are out of time but yeah we are this is part one everybody just let you know this is only part one so many things we have will you come back all the time oh i'll come back i love you guys oh my gosh thank you oh my gosh hang on we got up to basically finishing school i think we've only got to the end of school i know we haven't even heard about how you got called to l.a and wow so we we're going to save that for next time yeah but gershom thank you so much it's been so encouraging do you just want to release a blessing over our listeners i want you to make up your mind to love jesus wow it's not what you do it's loving him surrendering with open heart open mind just say i love you lord use me lord and then you experience signs and wonders and miracles that will just follow you father i thank you for people that are so hungry oh god for that holy hunger lord i pray that ignite the anointing ignite give them the hunger like never before and lord i pray that that the presence of the lord will feel their homes and their cause i pray that the bible become alive that same hunger to read the word and lord i pray that they will be healed there will be there will be healings and signs and wonders and i pray that lord they shall have visitation i believe every person is gonna watch this they're gonna experience the visitations of the lord lord i ask you that visit them lord even now as they hear from this voice that is anointed by the lord jesus christ and lord i pray i vow to give you all the glory and all the honor for every miracle for every sign and wonders oh god let it be accredited to you all glory and honor lord i heal people with cancer those people with broken relationships heal the blood in jesus name i sense the fire of god the heat of god's presence is just going through your bodies right now just say lord jesus i love you that's all you need love him with all your heart with all your soul and with all your strength and you will see all these things shall follow you whoa yes oh i just love you now and chris ran and thank you guys i don't i don't even know what i'm gonna talk because you know something about the story of something that has affected you sometimes you don't even have to have a script because these are the real things yeah exactly i haven't even talked about how jesus visited me the second time oh oh there's so many things there are so many things we saw over over nine people that were insane you know those people that are crazy yeah in the sanatoriums they are like yeah mental homes mental arms and these people like a garbage pickers there is no cure for them they came to my meeting they all got healed oh jesus after i had the visitation of jesus whoa oh oh god visit your people [Laughter] [Music] we need part two maybe part three maybe this whole series it could be a whole series yeah it sounds like it oh zambia in california the series guys thank you so much for listening today sorry to um i've got to pick up my boy from school so we have to stop right here otherwise you can make this two three hour i want to make this a three hour podcast but yeah yeah but leave your comments below thanks for joining us have a great week and be encouraged be blessed and we're gonna have more of gershom very very soon until next time this podcast is presented by iris global for more information or to support the work of iris global please visit us online at irisglobal.org

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Length: 69min 58sec (4198 seconds)

Published: Wed Mar 08 2017