Interview with Sebastian Marroquin (the son of Pablo Escobar) | SVT/NRK/Skavlan

one Pablo Escobar welcome to to Scandinavia thank you very much it's a pleasure to be your your name your name these days is Sebastian Moroccan is that because the Escobar name is too much to carry it is because the airlines didn't wanted to sell any plane tickets to travel and to get away from violence you know we we stayed in Colombia for a year waiting for somebody to help us after your father died after my father's dead and we asked the Vatican the United Nations and nobody wanted to help us so it was our last option if we wanted to stay alive so that was when you could leave the country with your mother and your family the next day we change our names we could fly with without any problems we saw some pictures of your father and if you were to estimate how many murders is he directly or indirectly responsible for well there is not an official record of that but I believe that it is almost about 3,000 people um and yet to you he is a very different person he's your father and you knew him as a very different person well the murderer I know both I know both because I he was my father but also he was a bandit and when I was seven years old he told me look I am a bandit that's what I do for living before this before you really knew who what kind of father was he well he was as far back as I can remember well I remember him giving me a lot of love being at home with me and my family he was a very good man with me I receive a lot of love from him that's what I remember I also remember and we went to see the poor villages in Colombia and to help them and that's the father that I knew at the beginning but of course he's now more remember thanks to his violence not for his good behavior at the beginning you describing also as a vain person well yes he really took care of his own hair and he stayed in front of the mirror for too many hours just to watch his teeth so he took like two hours for him and check to get ready in the morning anyway yeah and I asked him what what we take you so long and he told me oh you can go to the dentist I I can't you call him a bad loser too well he didn't want to lose he was always cheating even to me or to my mom to everybody he didn't want to lose at all but he played soccer the game only end when he was winning and that's it and what if you play the board game or you had some wouldn't believe we yes we used to play Monopoly and yes he hide all the money and everything and even if he lose a lot he was always winning and I didn't know why but she was making a lot of he was cheating a lot growing up as as as you did as the son of one of the world's richest men according to the Forbes list at least well nobody I didn't saw anybody from Forbes in our family looking into our wallets it's the it's a way to sell a lot of magazines but still yes a very rich man he was a very rich man and I asked him how money how much money do you have and and he he told me I don't know I really don't want to count that how could you how could you notice that he was rich I mean what you will never love or were you a spoiled spoiled child or did he well sure of course I receive a lot of presents from him I have more than 30 motorcycles and we have our own sooo private Zoo you have how many motorcycles more than 30 more than 30 motorcycle yeah yeah that's a spoiled child if I have yeah but he gave me a lot of love and education and he always was very near me at the time when you had this you had this famous mansion called hacienda nápoles yes and this was really a big estate a big property yeah we have our own Airport and also uh more than ten houses more than 100 vehicles for us and for the guests and if you didn't find anything inside the agenda you just could ask the chopper to go and buy that so and you had a zoo as well yes ooh and a lot of thing more than one hand more than 1,000 animals from all over the world we have hippos riders zebras live elephants yes so how did he get them how I mean this is well he just send a lot of people around the world to buy them and and I also went with him to some suits inside the United States to buy some other animals he paid two million dollars for the elephants you were I mean you were also the son of a politician not only a drug dealer but a politician as well I mean Pablo Escobar was an ambitious politician well yes and and he he got far but at some point it was like the the political establishment in Colombia realized who he was what he did and rejected him well my father fell did he respond well my father felt he humiliated and the first answer was he resigned publicly and after that he ordered the killing of the Minister of Justice and that was in the year 1984 exactly and after that the older word began from the drug trafficking business against Colombia as a country as their government the authorities everything was scarce so from from that day on we became really changed yeah it really changed Colombia's life our family's life everybody and you were you were mostly on the run since then from like everybody yes like I felt like I was abandoned because everybody was chasing also me I saw the reward signs asking for me what why did they chase you well at the time the police in Colombia didn't recognize us as individuals they thought we were the same they went after his family as well after everybody yeah how did you I mean how did you react to this did you did you talk to your father about this did you try to change him of course I did that a lot of times when yes mostly when I was 11 years old in 1988 there was a car bomb exploded in magazine January 13 against our home it was thanks to the Cali cartel that bomb 700 kilos of dynamite who is much older all the glasses around one kilometer around the city everything was there I remember the newspaper they call that Medellin woke up us by route but how did you survive that if it was meant to it is a miracle I have the pictures and I don't know I can understand how what what happened did you wake up and or I mean well what's the last part you see when you're going to sleep the ceiling no when when when I get up I saw the sky there was nothing left but we were there do you remember the conversations you had with your father where you tried to reach him to change of course well when I saw the the bombs in the news I told him look what's going on you don't you don't have to do this you should not do this a lot of innocent people is dying and he told me he answered me look I didn't invent this they used this against my family my beloved ones and I asked I answered to him if anybody puts me a bomb that doesn't allow me to put bombs to everybody I don't believe in violence and that's maybe that's why he approached the government and try to you know when he surrendered to the Cathedral prison it was a way of showing the family a little bit of respect so he wanted to make peace he when he went to end violence in Colombia and he surrendered and my mother was doing the same thing was just challenging him and asked him him why didn't he stop violence did how did he react when you challenged him well he was very respectful I may say but so he didn't aggressive or yeah he was open to the conversation but he wasn't willing to change anything you know the CIA was after him the FBI everybody was after him and nobody could stop him needed why as a 14 year old kid he volunteered for prison as you mentioned yeah a prison that he got to build himself well is the first bandit in human history that really and actually built his own prison yeah and he changed quite comfortable as well very comfortable and then he ran away again yeah when the government ordered the two translated him to another place and they he get out of the prison he was the owner of the prison he was the the greatest producer of narcotics in the world at some point well he's accused of being the owner of the percent of the market in the eighties okay yeah okay do you have any memories of the drugs in your family did anyone in your family use drugs as you remember well I have an uncle who died because of drug abuse we are very aware of that and when I was eight years old my father talked to me about drugs he put all the drugs in front of me and he teach me how to recognize every one of them he told me what happened if I have used every kind of them and he told me if you ever want to try you come and we will try it together after that I felt that there was a legalization for me so I didn't felt curious and I never tried see you never tried no until I was 28 years old I tried marijuana and that's it did he try himself who do you think he used yeah he told me that he try all of them and but not heroin and he told me that he always liked marijuana but nothing more he talked he teach me that cocaine II was a poison to sell and not to take when you were 16 your father died yes and you you were the last person to talk to him he called you up why do you think he called you because he wanted to be found he was a way of committing suicide because my father you know the fact the family you were in hide know you were in yeah in hiding in an apartment right well we try to get out of the country we flew to Germany and the authorities there they make us against our will they make us return to Colombia and after that my father understood that there was will be never any safe place for his family and he understood that either we are going to pierre is that or he had to choose that that's why he start calling he has his bodyguard near to him he always teach me not to use the telephone because he was death as his own words don't use telephone because his death that's why he started calling more than seven times and i'm star protecting him i just hang up the phone because I knew it was tapped I of course and we are we were forced to check-in into the hotel who was owned by the Colombian Army forces so it was very clear that everything was tapped that we have microphones all over the place and he was the most wanted man in the world and he really knew how to get out of the authorities very easily and that's why it was so hard for me to know know him that he was calling just to be traced and to be killed so what was this last conversation about well we were talking about an interview from a very well-known magazine in Colombia he wanted to give me the answers and I was explaining to him I know all the answers we spoke a lot you don't have to stay in the phone because you know what's going to happen and I hang up but he was kid calling and calling a Colleen and that's why I understood that he was willing to get killed you as you know the official version of what happened is that Pablo Escobar was shot by the police while trying to escape well we have more than one official version if you ask the North Americans they will tell you we were the ones who killed Pablo Escobar and if you had the Colombian police they will tell you we were the ones and you have our own opinion about this I don't have a pinion I have probes I have evidence is different from opinions how come because I have the the recordings of my father he never talked too much in the telephone so the first proof he had taught you how to commit suicide yes because we didn't wanted to be tortured by the police why you think that he committed suicide himself and here he taught me because he told me not to fire in his mouth or any other part just in the right ear and it was the same place where the bullet appeared what what have you learned yourself well I've learned so much about violence that I became a man of peace you know because I don't believe in violence I know how it can you know disappear country a whole country can change culture you can change people and money doesn't buy you happiness or freedom even worst my father's money at the end he was for the financing his own death you know so it was mean financing is because when when my father died the cartels approached to us and they told us we are going to recover all the money that we spent killing your father for this last ten years so we're going to take everything if you want to dream to stay alive say thank you take everything you I have I don't I just want to live I don't want anything after after your father's death were you seriously threatened did you feel like you were threatened your life my my health worth four million dollars I had to explain that nobody else's he's paying that much money now so nobody don't get very happy about that because so that was the price of your head yeah that was the price four million dollars just for being the son of Pablo Escobar was that because people were afraid his enemies were afraid that you would revenge him yeah they were very afraid of that Juan Pablo today you live in Argentina yes you escaped from from Columbia after your father's dead you live in Argentina you're an architect I know yes also an industrial designer and you have a wife and kid four year old cute yes and your mother she's also there why don't you return to Colombia now it's been so many years well I have to wait them to 14 years since my father's dead to say goodbye to him because it's because of the threats you know everybody was telling me if you ever came back we will kill you so I had to say in Argentina I don't have the option of returning to Colombia that's not an option for me thank you so much for sharing your story with us tonight thanks to you [Applause]

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Length: 18min 40sec (1120 seconds)

Published: Fri Mar 10 2017

Reddit Comments

[u/eighthsinner]

Never believed the whole suicide story until hearing him explain the evidence