Please be seated. -Hello, Your Honor.
-Hello. This is a case of<i>
Gelntser v. Ramey.</i> Thank you, Jerome.
Good day, everyone. -[audience] Good day!
-Mrs. Gelntser... You have opened
your case today because you say your life
has been in turmoil since the moment
you learned you were
pregnant with twins. You are convinced
your husband fathered your
eight-month-old son,
Richard, but you also believe your boyfriend,
Mr. Stacy, fathered your son's
twin sister Raelynn. -[audience exclaiming]
-Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Ramey. You state there is
no way you fathered either one
of your wife's twins and intend
to prove that today. -Is that correct?
-Yes, Your Honor. [Judge Lake] Mr. Stacy. You believe
you fathered
both twins. Yes, Your Honor. -[Judge Lake] Is that correct?
-Yes, Your Honor. [Judge Lake] All right. Mrs. Gelntser,
please tell the court how your life
has been in turmoil. For the fact of the matter that I'm still
married to John. That I'm in
a relationship with Scotty. And just everything
has been upside down not knowing who,
with the twins. And now you believe
your fraternal twins have two
different fathers. [Gelntser]<i> That they
possibly could have
two different fathers.</i> -[audience gasping]
-[Judge Lake] Wow. [Judge Lake] Mr. Ramey. Yes, Your Honor. You don't believe
you fathered either one
of your wife's children. No, I do not,
with these twins. They don't resemble
my two biological children that I have
with Mrs. Gelntser. [Judge Lake] Okay. How did we get into this confusion
with conception. December 15th, John, Keisha, Scotty and I was at the house. And Scotty and John
were working on the bathroom
to get it fixed up. So, your boyfriend
and your husband were working
on the bathroom. Yes, Your Honor. [audience laughing] Okay. And after they had
gotten the floor put down, Scotty went
into our room, was playing
his games in our room. Keisha was in
the livin' room, watchin' TV, I guess. And John said,
"Come look
at the bathroom." He said we gotta
talk about the kids,
closed the door and then one thing
led to another, and we had sex. [audience exclaiming] Do you remember
that day, Mr. Ramey? I remember the day,
Your Honor. I don't really
remember it exactly as she told the story, but... Me and Samantha
were married-- [Judge Lake] But do you
remember having sex with your wife
in the bathroom? [Ramey] Yes, Your Honor. With her boyfriend
in the bedroom
playing video games. I don't know
what he was doing,
Your Honor. I just know what
her and I were doing. [audience laughing] So, Mrs. Gelntser, how did Mr. Stacy,
your boyfriend, find out that you had
sex with your husband? I guess he had
to use the bathroom
or whatever, 'cause he went up
to the bathroom and he had heard
me and John together. And he said, "I can't do this,"
and he walked out. And when he walked out, we got finished. He left with Keisha. So, wait a minute. You got finished.
You finished the act? Yes, Your Honor. [audience exclaiming] -[Gelntser] I was
addicted to John.
-Mr. Stacy. <i> So you knock
on the door,</i> <i> you there layin' floor
and Mr. Ramey's layin'
something else.</i> [audience laughing] [audience applauding] [Stacy] Mmm-hmm. So, you knock
on the door,
what happens? Tell me
what you remember. I knocked on the door,
I heard 'em, I said I was done
and I walked out. Started walking
down the road. Did you know
they were having sex? -What did you hear?
-Yes. You could hear 'em. [audience laughing] -So you knew immediately.
-Yes. And you just said,
"I'm done,"
and you left. Yes. And then,
Mrs. Gelntser, when do you reconnect
with Mr. Stacy? After John and Keisha had
left the house that night, we went and picked him up
from walking up the road, and brought him back
to the house. I told him I was sorry and asked him to stay. And then how soon after that do you start having sex
with Mr. Stacy again? It was that night. [audience exclaiming] Oh, right after you have
sex with your husband, you have sex
with your boyfriend? Not right after. I mean, it was that evening
that it happened. [audience laughing] -So--
-But Scotty had
left the next day, said he was going
to his mom's, that he thought about it,
he couldn't do it and then I went
and picked John up and brought him
back to the house. -[Judge Lake] And
had sex with him?
-Yes, Your Honor. [audience exclaiming] So within the span
of 24 hours, you've had sex
with your husband twice and your boyfriend once? Yes. Wow. [Gelntser] He understands
my relationship with John. When I first
got with Scotty, my thing was,
John and the boys come first
over anything. John has been my rock. And he will
always be my rock. And I just thought
that that's how
I would get him back. At that time,
I did love Scotty, but I was in love
with this man. -Okay, so right now,
you're just being honest.
-I am. The truth is,
you're in love
with your husband, but in the meantime,
since he was
with somebody else, you started
dating Mr. Stacy
because he's nice and... He's wonderful. I mean, he's
been there since day one even after he knew
what happened. So take me to the day you find out
you're pregnant,
Mrs. Gelntser. Oh, my goodness. When you find out
you're pregnant,
what happened? What happened that day? Scotty was the first one
to find out
that I was pregnant other than my aunt
and my uncle. I did not tell nobody else
until I told John
when he called. And I said,
"John, I'm pregnant." And he said, "What do you
want me to do about it?" And I said,
"Well, you do know -that there is a possibility
that they're yours?"
-I didn't say that. And he said,
"There's no way." And I said, "Yeah, John.
We slept together on the 15th and 16th." I said,
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the notification bell. So how did you get
a conception date
from the doctor? It was September 17th
that was the final due date. And from that,
you calculated or they calculated
a window of conception. Yes. And when they
gave me the due date, they also gave me a paper
stating that Baby A, which was Richard,
was five weeks and two days and Raelynn was
five weeks and four days. [Judge Lake] Ah. And that was
how many weeks, days, after you had slept
with both of them? I was
five and a half weeks
pregnant. So, the timeline pointed
directly back to both men because,
you've been honest, you were intimate
with both men
on the same day. [Gelntser] Yes, ma'am.
Yes, Your Honor. [Judge Lake] In the same
24-hour period. Yes, Your Honor. So, who was with you
when you gave birth? Scotty was there. And you're there
when the babies are born. [Stacy] Yes. Do you sign
the birth certificate? No. Nobody's on
the birth certificate. [Judge Lake] Well,
you couldn't because she's legally
married to Mr. Ramey. -[Gelntser] Correct.
-[Stacy] Correct. [Judge Lake] All right. I'm sorry that
I've put you guys
through this. I really am. [Judge Lake] Well,
they put themselves
through it, too. [audience laughing
and applauding] [Ramey] Right. Once he was
put on notice that you were back
with your husband,
he was leaving. But he came back. Yeah, but, you know,
to be honest, I've been with these men
together, okay? I mean, I'm not
gonna be thrown
under the bus with this. I'd forgot
about that. Yes... [Gelntser] I mean,
I was with them together and I just
want answers
for my children. Because they
deserve to know and John and Scotty
deserve to know. So, I need to be clear. Did you state
that you had
a threesome with your husband
and your boyfriend? [Gelntser] Yes, I did. [audience exclaiming] And Scotty did it
because he loved me and I did it
because I loved John. [audience exclaiming] What in God's name? [audience laughing] And so, now,
you could have twins with two different fathers. How does that feel? It's heartbreaking
that my children are gonna
have to pay
for my mistakes. It's not fair to him
and it's not fair to Scotty and it's definitely
not fair to the twins because they didn't ask
for their mother
to lay on her back. You opened this case because you believe
your husband is the father
of one twin and your boyfriend is
the father of the other. [Gelntser] Yes. Please explain
why you believe your husband is
Richard's father. Richard has the same
birthmark that my son
Jonathan had. <i> Richard looked like Jonathan
when he was a baby,</i> <i> which Jonathan
looks like John
when he was baby.</i> So, in turn, Richard
looks like John
when he was a baby. [Ramey] No, he don't. [Judge Lake] So, Mr. Ramey,
I want to ask you. Do you see
the resemblance? Do you believe
you could possibly be Richard's biological father? Possibly, yes, but I do not think
that I am. I just don't see
the resemblance of myself
in the babies when I see them. I really don't. And this is you
holding both twins. [Ramey] Yes, at their home. At their house? [Ramey] Yes, Your Honor. [audience exclaiming] So, Mr. Stacy, you believe
these are your twins. Yes, Your Honor. -[Judge Lake] Both of 'em?
-Both of 'em. And how do you feel when you see Mr. Ramey
holding the twins? It does bother me
a little bit. I'm surprised you
even let him come up
in your house anymore after the bathroom incident. [Gelntser laughing] I'm just saying. [all laughing] Can you tell the court
why you believe
Raelynn is Mr. Stacy's? Her mannerisms. She's very quiet. Laid-back. You know,
you don't mess with her,
she don't mess with you. Same as Scotty is. <i> And she just favors Scotty.</i> <i> The shape of her head.</i> <i> She looks like Scotty to me.</i> [Judge Lake]<i> And so,
as you've held your twins,</i> taken care of them,
they're eight months old, you look in their faces
and you literally see two different men
as their fathers. I do. [Judge Lake]<i>
I feel your energy</i> <i> and it's like
you are so conflicted.</i> If it was
a perfect world and you could
wave your magic wand and choose the life
and the partner
you wanted, who would you be with? I'd be with John. [audience exclaiming] I mean, you said,
"In a perfect world." In a perfect world,
we wouldn't be here. In a perfect world,
we wouldn't have
been separated. Do you think
your relationship with your new girlfriend
can survive if one or both
of the twins are yours? I really don't know,
but that's not
my main concern. -It's about the babies.
-[Judge Lake] Yeah. -You know?
-[Judge Lake] Yes. I mean, hopefully it does. I mean, 'cause I
love her very much. But at the same time, they're innocent,
and if I am their dad, I've gotta be there
and handle that. See, when he said,
"I love her very much," you closed your eyes and just nodded your head like you didn't
want to hear that. I don't like the girl. I mean, I like her
as a person, but I don't like her
that she's my husband's
girlfriend. You know, we were
friends at one point. [Judge Lake] Ma'am,
I'd like to hear from you. Please stand. Step over to the podium. And state your name
for the court. Keisha Adkins. Ms. Adkins,
you are Mr. Ramey's
current girlfriend. Yes, Your Honor. Do you believe
your boyfriend is the father of one
or both of these twins? No. 100%, no, I do not believe that
these kids are his. You weren't in there
when that happened, Keisha. I mean, how are you
gonna say, "No, it's not"? Because they do not
resemble, Sammy. They do not resemble
my John at all. -[scoffs]
-Neither one of 'em do. [Gelntser]<i> He does
resemble John because
he looks just like Jonathan.</i> -[Adkins]<i> No, he doesn't.</i>
-[Gelntser]<i> Okay.</i> [Gelntser] You have
your opinion, I have mine. Exactly. Ms. Adkins, do you
believe Mr. Stacy is the father of one
or both of the twins? No, I do not. [audience exclaiming] -[Judge Lake] Oh!
-Really? [Adkins] Yes, really. So you're saying
you don't believe
either man's the father. [Adkins] No. [audience exclaiming] [Judge Lake] Well, "I declare,"
as my grandmother would say. [audience laughing] [Judge Lake] Ma'am,
thank you for your testimony.
You may be seated. All right, well... That was an earful. [audience murmurs in agreement] The only way
we are going to figure
our way out of this is to get the results. We need the truth. Jerome, may I have
the envelope, please? [Jerome] Yes, Your Honor. I love you both, and I'm sorry regardless
of what this stuff says. No matter what it says,
Sammy, you know, just 'cause we're not together, you know I'm always
gonna love you. You're the mom of my kids,
and I'll always be here. But the main thing is,
at least we'll know
for the babies. [audience applauding] [Judge Lake] All right. This result
is for Raelynn. And just to be clear, you believe Mr. Stacy,
your boyfriend, is Raelynn's
biological father. Yes. Because fraternal twins
could have different
biological fathers, we performed
individual paternity tests on Richard and Raelynn. In the case of<i>
Gelntser v. Ramey,</i> when it comes to
eight-month-old
Raelynn Ramey, it has been determined
by this Court the biological father is... Mr... Stacy. [audience applauding] The next result
is for Richard. And in this case,
Ms. Gelntser, you believe Mr. Ramey,
your husband, is Richard's
biological father. These are the results. [exhaling] In the case of<i>
Gelntser v. Ramey,</i> when it comes
to eight-month-old
Richard Ramey, it has been determined
by this Court, the biological father is... Mr... Stacy. [audience applauding] Now, tell me I was sleeping
with somebody else, Keisha. I'm happy for the children that they know who
their biological father is. But I am concerned. Because when I
read those results,
Mrs. Gelntser, you wanted those babies
to be your husband's. [audience murmuring] I know what I know
what I know. It's about the animosity
you have towards her because she's got your man. [audience exclaiming] [Judge Lake] Let's just
call it the way I see it. Sometimes we just have
to call a spade a spade. No, now me and Scotty
can go on with our lives. No, but you're not
on with your life. -This was--
-'Cause let me
tell you something. If a man looks at me, and somebody says
"if you can wave
a magic wand, and tell me
who you'd be with," and he names
another woman's name, we got a problem. [audience applauding] Nobody wants
to live their life knowing they're
somebody's runner-up. I want you all
to go talk to Dr. Jeff
and work through it. I'm glad we've got
the truth for the babies. But I do want you all
to be honest about where
you're at with this. If you don't
ever tell the truth, you're never going to be
able to work through it. I wish you all the very best. Court is adjourned.
