You may be seated. Hello, Your Honor. Hello. This is a case of<i>
Marsh v. Belding and Belding.</i> Thank you, Jerome.
Good day, everyone. AUDIENCE: Good day,
Your Honor. Ms. Marsh,
you claim your ex, Mr. Belding and his mother, have made false accusations
about the paternity of your 3-year-old
daughter, Jordan. <i> Yes, Your Honor.</i> Mr. Belding, you're here
with your mother. You claim little Jordan's
biological father may be your own father. Yes, Your Honor. Whoa. Uh, so, you've also
petitioned the court
for a lie detector test for Ms. Marsh to determine
the extent of her relationship
with your dad. Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Belding's father
will also be joining us to respond to that accusation
in just a few moments. So, Mr. Belding... Yes, Your Honor? Your own father? Yes, Your Honor. Please explain. He, uh...
We were living in Georgia, then he moved back to Indiana, and got a room, or he shared
a room with Amber. He had nowhere to go,
so I took him in. Excuse me, Your Honor,
but his uh... His sister lives there.
He has numerous
friends in Indiana. His sister would not let
him live there... I live there. ...at all. He's a...
He works. He could have lived
in other places than with her. He's lived with her off and on
for the past three years. Really? Yes! Excuse me, Your Honor,
it was with me and my mom, as a matter of fact,
and he slept in a
totally different room. It was a three-bedroom house. That was the first house. We never slept
in the same room. We've always had more
than three rooms. There's been several. Okay, but I have to ask,
Ms. Marsh, out of all the places
you could live? He had nowhere to go.
Literally, I asked his sister
and his sister said no. I'm not gonna let
a man I call my dad stay on the streets. What other reason
do you have to believe that Ms. Marsh
was possibly sleeping
with your father or you're not the biological
father of her child? Just when I moved back
to Indiana, there was a bunch
of my friends that had said, that she had slept with them
after she had slept with me. Excuse me.
Excuse me, Your Honor. Excuse me, too, Your Honor,
she's already had one man
tested before Zach. I didn't have him tested.
He had her tested. I told him not to do it. Because she told us
that it was a possibility
to begin with. I have all the proof of that. I know who the father
of my daughter is, and it is this man,
right here. But she thinks Zach's
the dad but he can't do
nothing with her. He's not allowed. And yes, she did let me in
one time to see Jordan. Three times. But then, the other times she
slammed the door on my face. Except the night
you spent the night
and you had sex with her, which was just two months ago,
Your Honor. Yeah. We didn't have sex.
Your friend was in the
same bed, Your Honor. So, for them to be together
for a year, she must be sleeping around,
is all I've got to say. No. No. He came over
with his friend. He was drunk. Why do you doubt that your son
is her child's father when you know your son was
in a relationship with her? TRACY: Yes. Why do you have
so many doubts? She gave us the doubt,
because she told
us very plainly. She came back to Indiana
to give birth to Jordan. She had another man...
Can I, can I finish? I never said that. She had another man there
while the baby was
being delivered. There was her fiancé
at the time. There was no one else. <i> There was no one else in the
room, except for my mother.</i> TRACY: <i> And her
boyfriend, fiancé at the time.</i> AMBER: <i> I'm sorry that your</i> son didn't show up. Was there a man at the
hospital, Ms. Marsh, that claimed to be
your fiance when
you were having the baby? No. No. He didn't claim
to be... She's lying. ...my fiance at all. That's perjury. I would never ever get
with that man. She already said he's gonna
be the dad. "I'm gonna sign
the birth certificate." We were all there when
it happened. Because he's been around
for nine and a half months. He... Now, there's been three
other men that I know of. And I haven't been around
her for two years. There's been no men. There's been no men. She will call me
out of the blue. "Hey, can you keep Jordan?"
She'll bring her. I've never... I changed my number
for her not to call me. Two diapers... I thought you
just said that... I moved an hour
and a half away so they would stop
harassing me. She just said that
Zach didn't wanna see her and now we harass her?
She needs to get her
story straight, Your Honor. If she thinks I'm the father,
why did she have another man
sign the birth certificate? Excuse me, ma'am.
I have the birth certificate. I have the birth certificate
right here. Birth certificate's right here
and there is no other man
on this birth certificate. Can I say, it's because
she lies to us all the time? We don't know what to believe. Jerome, let me see that
birth certificate. There's no other name
on this birth certificate. 'Cause she's such a liar. While I'm looking
at this birth certificate... Yes, ma'am. You all gotta make
me understand this. Now, you all
met in high school? Fourteen years old.
Yes. At 14? So, you all were
in a relationship,
boyfriend and girlfriend? No, not really. AMBER: Off and on. So, it was off and on
for years? (TRACY MUMBLES) But during this time
you were together,
that's when you got pregnant? Yeah. It was after I had... ZACH: No. I had moved to Georgia,
to live with him and his dad, to join the military. ZACH: Uh, no. That was totally
a surprise, too. I didn't know she was coming. TRACY: Her dad... His dad did that. My dad called
her down. Zachary didn't want
nothing to do with her. His dad sent for her
down there. That's funny, because
I still have messages
on my mom's phone from him saying,
"Baby, I can't wait
till you get here." You got those...evidence? So, now, Mr. Belding, that's another reason
why you think your father... He had her come down there. ...was possibly sleeping
with her too, because he's the one that decided
to have her come down. Yes, Your Honor.
And then he left Zachary
in Georgia by hisself. Came up here and
moved in with her
and just left Zach. 'Cause he had nowhere to go. TRACY: Nowhere. I'm not the kind of woman
who'd let a man
stay on the streets. We just gave a homeless
man a sandwich,
not even a day ago. Mr. Belding, another man,
in your mind, signed
the birth certificate I have it right here,
let me see. Yeah, this is what I was told.
I didn't see no picture. 'Cause he believes
everything his mommy says.
'Cause he's a mommy's boy. (AUDIENCE GASP) JUDGE LAKE: Now, there is... <i> There's no person listed
as father on the
birth certificate.</i> TRACY: <i> That's 'cause she
lies to us about everything.
But there was a man.</i> Who introduced you to him? She did. She's hallucinating,
'cause she was drunk when she showed
up to the delivery room. That's a lie. (AUDIENCE GASP) Your Honor, that's not
what happened. Yes, that is what happened. That's a total lie. I walked the hospital
with her for six hours. We can call my mom. She was drunk. You could smell
the vodka on her breath. We'll find out with the lie
detector, 'cause she's a liar. Mr. Belding,
you don't think... I didn't... ...you're Jordan's biological
father and you really
think your dad is? I wouldn't think my dad
would do something like that. But, if he was drunk... They were living
together, obviously. And she walks around the
house half-naked. I never walk around the house
half-naked. And, my dad... I've had to tell her to put
clothes on when she was
14 years old. And I went to the trailer
to visit him. And she was running from
one end to the other
with a towel on and I said, "There's a room full
of men out there, little girl, "You get some clothes on." Did your father ever say anything to you about
them having a relationship? Yeah. Well, he's told me
they slept in the bed
together multiple times. Hold on. So, Ms. Marsh. Multiple times. You said... ...it was different rooms in your testimony earlier. Yes. In my three-bedroom apartment,
it was different rooms. And then, when we lived
at my mom's, I worked third
shift and he worked first. We slept in the same bed,
but not together. See? Now, see?
See who's lying?
See how the story changes? JUDGE LAKE:
So, wait, wait, wait.
Your story... Our story isn't changing
like hers. Your story is changing a bit. At first we slept
in different rooms. What? Do you think it's
appropriate for you to be sharing a bed
on any level? But we don't sleep in the same
room at the same time. With a man! JUDGE LAKE: His father? But we didn't sleep in the
same room at the same time. Why would I have sex
with somebody I call
my dad? TRACY: Why would you share
a bed with him? The only man I've ever
called a dad. TRACY: Why would you share
a bed with him? JUDGE LAKE:
This is a lot to take in. I'm still not processing
that you are sharing a bed with
Mr. Belding's father... TRACY: Ahem! ...on any level.
But, you know what? I'm ready to talk
to your father. Hello.
How are you? We are here,
trying to figure out what in the world is going on. Did you ever share a bed
with Ms. Marsh? Kind of, I mean, the schedules
between her mother's schedule,
my schedule, and Amber's schedule,
there was always someone there
to take care of the baby. So, how do you feel if
you're son is accusing you of being the father
of Ms. Marsh's daughter? It's...
It's a little frustrating. And I feel
kind of demeaned by it and I have never, ever laid
a finger on Amber Marsh. AMBER: Thank you. And I would never lay
a finger on him. That is my dad. That is gross. Granted, he's a very handsome
man for being 47 years old. Well, sir, your son, he's concerned that you're
the person that you're the
person that invited her to live with you,
when you guys went
to live in another state. He says you arranged for
her to come with you guys,
is that true? No. TRACY: He's lying. My grandma paid
for me to go there, because she knew
how much Zach meant to me. Now he means nothing. When you stay out
of a daughter's life
for three years? You only come
over three times? And the one time
you do come over... That's a lie. ...you were drunk. That's a lie, too,
Your Honor. She dropped her
off to me three times.
The baby didn't even know me. That's not my fault you
never call or ask about her. She just dropped her off. Oh, really? I thought you
just said I harassed you
so much you had to move, but now I don't call. You do harass me. All right. So, the court
has administered
lie detector tests and we will have those results
a little later on. AMBER: Yes, ma'am. And we'll get down to the
bottom of these questions that I can't seem to get
answers to. TRACY: Thank you. Ms. Marsh, I wanna hear about... Who's helping you with Jordan? <i> He said three years old.
You're claiming he has come
by three times.</i> <i> Yes. This man, right here.</i> <i> How have you been doing it?</i> This is your witness?
Please stand, sir. And my mom. Step to the podium. Your name is? Tyson Hull. And you are Ms. Marsh's... Boyfriend. Boyfriend. And you've been helping
her raise Jordan? Every day. <i> Every day?</i> <i> Every single day.</i> ZACH: Good job. I'm Daddy. How long has been with her,
Your Honor? Two weeks? Three weeks? Because Zach just had sex with
her less than 60 days ago. That's a lie.
Baby, you know it is. Spent the night with her
and everything. Came to see her again
and he said <i> he is not to see her, and
she slammed the door
in Zach's face.</i> So, he thinks he can say
when Zach can see this
baby and when he can't. I'm trying to understand. So, Ms. Marsh, you're saying Mr. Hull
is your boyfriend now. Yes, ma'am. And, you did not cheat
with Mr. Belding? Less than 60 days ago. No. No. No, Your Honor. That's a lie. We never had sex.
His best friend was
in the same bed. You were in the bed with him. Yes. Oh, but it was on the floor? But it was not
two months ago. It was less than
two months ago, Your Honor. No, it wasn't. When was this? It was way before me
and him got together. And you two have been
together how long? BOTH: Four months. Four months he's been
a dad to a 3-year-old. Four months. So, Mr. Hull,
please tell me... That's all it takes, ma'am. Tell me about the relationship
you've built with Jordan. <i> It's just an everyday thing,
I mean...</i> <i> You gotta be a dad to do
everything. I mean,
you gotta get a job.</i> <i> Take care of the baby.</i> <i> Play with her.
I play every day with her.</i> Good job. Good job. We tried, too.
...Take her to the park. You won't be around
long neither. She goes through men,
like you go through
toilet paper, honey. Ask Matt Belding.
He can testify
that she's a ho. Oh, hold on, miss. Miss! I'm sorry, Your Honor.
I'm sorry, Your Honor. Let's watch our language and let's be respectful
in the courtroom. Yes, ma'am. That's something she
don't know how to do. All right. ZACH: We'll see
who the is. I'll always be the father. No, he won't. TYSON: <i> Every single day.</i> ZACH: <i> We'll see these
DNA results.</i> TRACY: <i> We'll see
the DNA results.</i> <i> Every single day.</i> We'll see the DNA results. I don't care what the problem
is, I'll always take it. Well, I'll call the police
on you for kidnapping. He won't even be around
that long because she goes through 'em like toilet
paper. So, I ain't worried
about what he has to say. ZACH:
We'll see who's the father. And, so, what are you
feeling like, Mr. Belding? Do you feel like you've
been shut out? I'm upset because,
this guy, two months out of nowhere,
thinks he's the father
of what could be my baby. What could be is your baby. Where have you been? We wanna know. Where have you been? I was just there
two months ago, with her. That's what you keep saying. He was just with her
less than 60 days ago. Like she said,
she moved without telling him. It was four months ago
and he showed up drunk. It wasn't four months ago. But you slept in the
bed with him. TRACY: Oh, thank you. Well, yeah. Hold on. Hold on.
'Cause I'm tired of this story about how you take everybody
in and everybody needs a bed,
so I can share mine. No, it doesn't work like that. TRACY: That's right! Let's really be honest here. You admit that you shared
a bed with him that evening even
though the friend was
on the floor, right? Yes. And we were not together.
This was nothing. Wherever he's been
or whatever's going
on between you all, within the last
several months, you two have slept in the same bed,
had contact... Yes. Yes. Been close enough to where
he even got in the house
and got in the bed. Well, yes, Your Honor. TRACY: Yes. Right. I wanted him there, and I had him sleep in the bed
'cause I wanted him there.
I want him to be a dad. But he's not.
He's not calling. He's not showing. TRACY: She just said he
harassed her. Maybe he would stay
if he sleeps in the
bed with me. And he left that morning.
8:00 in the morning. To go to work. No. To not go anywhere. 'Cause he was hung-over. The only reason why he came
over 'cause he was hung-over. Now we're getting
to the truth now. So, when you had him
come over... No, he came all by himself.
He knocked on my window. No. Like I do all the time,
to go see her. In the middle of the night. Like, he tries to see Jordan. She slams the door on my face. Just went there last
week to see her. Moved without telling me. Last... How can he? Last week? You don't even know
where we live. Moved! Not anymore. I just said that.
If you listen... Duh! He was there last week? We moved three
or four months ago. So how can he be there
in the last week? He just said he came to where
he thought you lived... Thank you. But you were gone and you
moved without telling him. Yeah, 'cause we moved,
'cause they're harassing us. She didn't... Can I just say,
she keeps saying that we
don't try to see the baby and then she's says
we're harassing her. Trust me, I hear it. AMBER: Which way is it?
Okay. Look... Thank you, Your Honor. Can we just do lie detector
test and the DNA test,
so I can go home and get my beautiful
little girl. Yeah, 'cause we're
getting our baby. You ain't getting
nothing, honey. You guys... <i> She didn't see her the first
two years she was alive.</i> JUDGE LAKE: Okay, everybody. ZACH: Okay, well... I'm done now. ZACH: Okay, that's fine. I'm done. I don't have a problem
with a man that has enough heart to love a child. Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's a beautiful thing. TRACY: That's great. But, you all tell two
completely different stories. Thank goodness for a DNA
and a lie detector test. TRACY: Amen. So, let's get this done. First, we're gonna do
the DNA results. These results were prepared
by DNA Diagnostics
and they read as follows. In the case of <i> Marsh v. Belding, Belding.</i> Pertaining to whether
Mr. Belding Sr., or Mr. Belding Jr., is the father
of 3-year-old
Jordan Marsh, Mr. Belding Sr., you are not Jordan's father. AMBER: Thank you. Already knew that. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) Thank you, Your Honor. Mr. Belding Jr., you are her father. AMBER: Thank you. Yeah, that's my baby. AMBER: That's our baby. That's my baby. Not yours. Mine. TYSON: You think so. Mine. Mine. You think so.
You think so. I got rights now. Yes, you do sir. Oh, yeah. Before we go, you were very concerned
and wanted to know the level of intimacy was shared by Ms. Marsh
and your father
Mr. Belding Sr. That concerned you. Of course it did. I have the lie detector
results right here,
are you ready? Oh, yes. Yes, Your Honor. The question read as follows. Ms. Marsh, you were asked, "Have you ever had sexual
intercourse with your
ex-boyfriend's father, "Mr. Belding Sr.?" Yes, ma'am. You said no. And the lie detector
determined, that is the truth. BELDING SR:<i>
There you go, buddy.</i> <i> I told ya.</i> So, you know now. That they haven't had
any sexual activities, yeah. Mmm-hmm. Exactly. And, so you can put
that to rest, too. Yeah. But I'm still disgusted
that they shared
a bed together. I'm disgusted, too. But you know what?
That doesn't have anything to do with Jordan, right? Nope. Nope. And now, let's focus on her. JUDGE LAKE: I wish you all... Yes, Your Honor. ...the best of luck. Thank you, so much. Take care of that beautiful
little girl. TRACY: We'll try. Court is adjourned. What judge Lake had to say
was very, very appropriate
and very, very honorable. I love that she said
that he needs to step up. It is time for him to step up. When I heard the results, I was kind of shocked
at first, but now
I'm ready to step up. I've been ready,
been going there. And as far as
Judge Lake's decisions, she was a great person.
I had a great time.
