BD: Welcome to
"Something More." I'm your host, Bob Duvall, and I'm here today
with Isaiah Saldivar. Now, Isaiah
has his own ministry. He's a live streamer. He has his own
YouTube channel that at the time
of this interview just hit one hundred
thousand subscribers. Congratulations on that.
IS: Yes, thank you so much. BD: So, Isaiah, I want to find out
how to see in the unseen realm, how to see
in the Spirit. Why, why do I want
to see in the Spirit? That's a scary place. You know, I may just want
to walk around like this. Why is it important? IS: Yeah, so, there there's
an invisible war going on right now, whether no matter
who's watching, whether you're a believer
or an unbeliever, you're in the middle
of a war. There's God and there's
the kingdom of darkness constantly at war. And we're right there
in the middle. And one of the most
dangerous places you can possibly be is to be in the war
and not be aware of it, to not know
these invisible enemies that are fighting you. And that's where a lot
of people live. They live, they live their life.
Not aware, ignorant. The Bible calls to
advise about the enemy. And Paul says,
"Do not be ignorant to Satan's devices
to be aware." So, how could I be aware
of something that I can't see
with my physical eyes? How can I be aware
of something in a realm that I have no access to and the sensory,
sensory world right with our touch
in our site? So, it's very important
as believers, we know what's going on.
"The Spirit," Jesus told Nicodemus,
"You must be born again." And Nicodemus goes, well, "How can I go back
in my mom and be born?" And Jesus is going,
"Nicodemus, we're not talking about
the natural realm. We're talking about being
born in the spirit realm." So, as believers, we are born
when we're born again. We're not just born again
into the natural. We are born again
into the spirit realm. And so, being born
into that realm, that's where we live now. Second Corinthians 4:18 Paul says, "We live
by not what we see, but we live on the unseen." That's what we need
to focus on. So, it's very important
that we could see, we can sense,
and we can tell what's going on
in the spiritual realm. BD: So, we can ignore it,
but to our own peril. IS: Absolutely. Yeah. BD: So, Isaiah,
let's back up just a bit because let's talk about when you were 19,
you were an atheist. IS: I was an atheist, yes. BD: You were kind of
a party animal into drinking and so on.
And you had a sister who kept bugging you
to go to church and you wanted
to get her off your back. IS: Yeah.
BD: So, you just one time you're going to go
to church. What happened
when you went? IS: Yes.
So, my sister bugs me, it was about six months
of her just on me non-stop. So, I told my girlfriend
at the time that I planned to marry,
I said, "Look, let's just go to get her
off our back, for her, stop bugging us."
So, I remember this. I'll never forget
walking into that church after being raised
in church. I stopped going
at sixteen, became a self-proclaimed
atheist. I don't believe in God.
God is not real. I never saw
the power of God, never saw the move of God. And so, at nineteen,
I had not been in church and now obviously
three years and I said, "I'm just going to go
to get her off my back." And I remember stepping
foot in that door. I said something to myself
walking through. I said, "This will be
the last time I ever stepped foot
in a church," which I now I laugh now
ten years later said, "This will be the last time
I step foot-" And I remember
sitting there, I was sitting in the back
where you're not supposed to sit,
it was a large church and they kind of
like rope it off. And I was making fun
and I was making jokes. And during that service
I just felt something drawing me,
something pulling me. And during the altar call,
I literally felt as if someone
was pulling my shirt. Now, of course,
it was in the natural, but back then I didn't
have words for it. I just felt
something here. I'm an atheist.
I'm making fun. I'm joking.
I don't believe in God and I'm feeling something
pull my shirt. So, I went forward
to that altar and all the religious
people listening right now and just have to cover
their ears here because I basically said, "God,
I don't believe in you." I mean,
I was at the altar honest. I was honest. I said,
"I don't believe you." I said, "But if you're real-" and this is what I want
people to notice, I said, "I will."
And this was in my heart of hearts
on the inside of me. I said, "I will
give You everything.' And in that moment
I'm at the altar. I haven't cried
in ten years. I'm hard hearted,
I'm angry and bitter. I'm everything
you can think of. And the audible voice now,
we're not talking about a small voice,
an inward, Holy Spirit whispering, I'm talking
about the audible now. I'm an atheist.
A second ago, the audible voice
of God said, "Isaiah," which already shocked me.
Seven billion people. And He knows my name,
said, "Isaiah." And this is what
He said to me. "I don't want 99.9% of you. I want everything.
I want all of you." And this is the thing.
I just got done telling Him
that if He was real and would show Himself,
I would be a willing vessel
to do anything for Him. And He said, I don't want, "I don't want 99.9% of
you. I want everything.
I'm going to use you to preach the gospel to all
nations." Started showing- and in that moment,
I don't know if it was a trance,
a vision. I was just somewhere else. I was seeing
bright lights. I was in another world. I started crying for the
first time in ten years. I'm sobbing uncontrollably and I'm just having
this radical encounter with the God of the universe, the God
that five seconds ago I'm cussing at
and don't believe in. It just reminds me
the Bible says "He proved his love for us, that while we were
sinners, Christ died." That's how God
proves his love. So, I had this encounter
with God. I mean, scales are
coming off my eyes. I'm crying. I'm just
having this radical- I'm seeing other nations.
God's giving me, I'm going to have, you're
going to be a revival. You're going to do this
and showing me what I'm doing now.
Bob, ten years later, I saw ten years ago
in a vision at that altar. So, I'm now next
to my girlfriend. I start speaking
in tongues now, mind you, I've only heard tongues
one time in my life as a kid. My parents
didn't pray in tongues so I'd never
heard tongues other than one time
as a kid. I'm speaking
in this language that
I've never heard before and not even knowing
what I'm doing. And I'm trying
to cover my mouth because my girlfriend's
now next to me. I don't want her
to hear me. I don't want no one
to hear me. I don't know
what I'm doing and I can't
control the tongues. The Holy Spirit
fills me, speaking out. I mean, no one's
laying hands on me. I'm just having
this real encounter. I'm crying. And God
really marked me that day, opened up my eyes
to the spiritual realm, begin to show me things
in the Spirit to the point of where when
the service got over, I didn't recognize
anybody. I didn't recognize colors. I mean, you talk about
born again. I was born again
that night. I was so radically change. I say atheist to
revivalist in one second. That's all God needs
is one second. And God really marked me
that night radically changed me
from being an atheist. BD: That's incredible. I mean,
you literally were like for the next three nights. I mean, you didn't eat
for the next two weeks, you just took off, you started a prayer
meeting in your home like maybe
a couple of days later. But you were
going to college, finishing up school
at the time. So, you went back
to class the next day and you started seeing
things in the Spirit. Tell me about that. IS: Yeah, so I get in my car. I'll never forget this.
I'm driving to college. I've maybe only shared
this once before I pull over
on the side of the road and I'm just crying. And mind you,
I was so hard-hearted I didn't know
how to even show emotion. Just think about
how the Bible says, "God will take your heart
of stone and give you
a heart of flesh." I'm crying on the side
of the road because I'm thinking
I'm seeing the sun for the first time. I'm seeing grass
for the first time. I mean, I'm so born again that everything's
different now. And so, I'm crying
on the side of the road. And then I'm thinking,
why am I crying? I'm supposed to be
a tough guy. This nice car,
it's all lowered. And has rims
and big subwoofers. So, I get to college.
I'll never forget getting out
of getting out of my car and I start walking
around my campus. Not only am I hearing
words of knowledge and I'm hearing,
I don't, I don't know. I just know I'm hearing
people's thoughts. At the time, I didn't know
it was a word of knowledge. I just thought what
happened to me last night, something crazy
happened to me. And I'm seeing angels
and demons over people's heads.
I'm seeing angels and demons
in my college campus. I'm sitting in class
and mind you, I'm a straight-A student, just never got
to B in college. Straight A's. I'm sitting
in my college class seeing the invisible
realm, seeing a war going on,
hearing thoughts. And I'm like, I told my
professor, I've got to go. I've never left class.
I was a teacher's pet. I mean, I was sitting
front row- BD: But you must have been
freaking out. IS: Oh, I was totally
freaking out. I didn't know
what was going on with me. I said, "There's
something going on." I don't know what this is, is this God is it, because
in my, in my church life, growing up in church,
I didn't get taught about the gifts
of the Holy Spirit. I didn't know
First Corinthians 12. So, I didn't know this was
a supernatural gift of discerning of spirits
where God was opening up my eyes
to the spirit realm. So mind you now, I was
an atheist last night. Now I'm like seeing
all these things. So, I remember
I left college, I went home and I just
said, "What is this God?" I'm seeing stuff
everywhere. My family, my friends. I'm literally seeing
the unseen realm. Now, it wasn't that something
new was happening, It was that
I was now aware of what was
already happening, because a week ago
in college, this was still going on.
I just couldn't see it. So, that's the crazy part
about when believers start activating
their spiritual senses, start seeing
that discerning of spirit's gets activated
in their life. They start seeing things
in their marriage, and their family,
with their kids. And it goes back to what
we started talking about, how important it is.
You start seeing these- you didn't know
we're there and you're able to war
more effectively because the Bible says
our battle's in the spirit realm, "We don't battle
against flesh and blood. We battle against spiritual
powers and principalities, rulers of darkness,
spirit of wickedness." So, we're battling
the unseen realm every single day. "Our weapons are not
carnal," the Bible says, "but they are mighty
through God for the pulling down
of strongholds." So, we do have
the spiritual life that we have to get
involved in as believers. We can't ignore it. We can't just put
our head in the sand and say it's not real, it's very real,
it's very active, and God wants everybody
to, to see in this realm. BD: But Isaiah, let's be real. Most Christians don't see
in the Spirit. IS: It's true. BD: Most don't
operate in this gift. Why not? Why can't
they see in the Spirit? IS: So, I think
there's two major reasons. One is we are
so distracted, people wonder
why is it the enemy so wants us glued
on our phone? I mean, the average person
spends four to eight hours a day,
Bob, on their phone. I mean, we are all glued
to Facebook and Instagram and Netflix
and YouTube and tick tock,
I mean everything. So, if he has
your head down, let's say,
four hours a day, the unseen realm
is not below you, unseen realm's above you. It's in the heavenly
dimension, it's around us. So, if your head's down
all the time, it's no wonder
we don't see in the Spirit,
we're ignorant. So, this is a plan
of the enemy. Now, it might not be that you're watching
bad stuff online or you're on
the bad things. You might be even watching
Christian content, but because we're spending
so many hours, the enemy
has us distracted. It's really dulled
our spiritual senses. It's really shut down
our spiritual eyes. Number two is pornography,
is sexual sin, compromise,
shame and guilt. If you look at the
statistics of Christians that are involved
in pornography, Internet pornography, and let's not
even say pornography, let's just say the movies
we watch now that are full
of compromising adultery that we laugh at,
we have no shame watching these things, shut down
our eyes spiritually. That shame and that guilt, it puts the scales
on our eyes to where we're not able to see
in the spirit realm, so, a lot of believers
are stuck in distraction and they're stuck
in shame and guilt. So, really they're not able
to see in the spirit realm to the level
that God wants to see. And maybe they'll get
a glimpse of say, oh, when I was 13, I saw an angel
or when I was 20. But God wants us to see
and activate this. And I wanted to touch
on what you said because I was
very overwhelmed. I was, I couldn't
turn it off. I was just all day,
all night. This is a reason why I didn't sleep
for three days. I mean, it got so bad
where my family said, "This is unhealthy.
You need to go to sleep." And I told God,
I said, "God, would you take this
from me and show me how to use it?" So, God really shut
the gift down and then begin to show me how to activate
it by faith, how to use it
in deliverance, how to use it
when praying for miracles, how to use it when praying
for my marriage and God really started to show me how to really use
the gift properly. BD: So really, it's not, say,
a gift of seeing in the Spirit.
What is the gift? IS: So, the gift
is discerning of spirits, distinguishing of spirits.
So people say, well, where's the gift
of seeing in the spirit? It's not, it's not
in the Bible. It's First Corinthians 12. The gift is discerning
of spirits. So, in the gift
of discerning of spirits is the ability
to see in the Spirit. And that also includes our other four
spiritual senses. Well, we're going to talk
about later. So, I would say
it's absolutely the gift of discerning of spirits. We're not talking
natural, Bob. We're not talking
natural discernment. We're not talking about,
"Oh, I see this because I saw this," or we're talking about
a spiritual ability, a spiritual gift that Paul tells us about
to distinguish spirits, whether it be
an angelic spirit, whether it be
the Holy Spirit, whether it be
a demonic spirit or whether it be the soul,
the flesh. So, those are the four main
realms that we discern. Most people don't realize
how important it is to discern what
the Holy Spirit is doing and that the way
we discern what He's doing is by also
the discerning spirit, very powerful gift, but to see in the Spirit
as part of that gift. BD: OK, Isaiah, we're going
to take a quick break. And so, when we come back, you're going to find out
about how to do it. And Isaiah is going
to pray a prayer of activation over you. Come back in just a moment.
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[Music to End] BD: Welcome back
to "Something More." I'm your host, Bob Duvall,
here with Isaiah Saldivar. And Isaiah says
the number one thing lacking in the body
of Messiah today is discernment. How do, how do I begin
to see in the unseen? How do I activate
this gift? IS: Yes. So the gift
is acting by faith. But one thing
I want to say about that is very important. Many people
want the gifts. They want to pursue
the gifts, the First Corinthians 12, but they don't need
the gifts. And so I tell people
all the time the gifts of the Spirit
are not toys, they're tools.
So, they're not for glamor, for show, to have
a following, to be on stage
and look great, doing words
and knowledge of prophecy. And there's a place
for that. But they're actually tools
to advance the Kingdom of God.
So, I tell people this, if you're asking
for the gifts, if you want to see
in the Spirit, if you want to hear
in the Spirit, you want to activate
your spiritual senses, you need to also ask, what am I doing
to position myself in a place where
I actually need the gifts? Because what God does is God releases
the gifts based on need. He's not just going to
give you you're not going to be sitting on the couch
watching Netflix and then start seeing
Angels and demons, because there's
no point to that. But when you're out
evangelizing, when you're sharing
your faith, when you say, "Okay, Lord, I'm going to
lock in the secret place and pray for someone,
would You show me what's going on with them
or what I can pray for what spirits
might be attacking them?" That's when you put
yourself in a position to activate the gift. So, God wants us
to activate the gift, but God also wants us to be in a place
to exercise the gift. So, what I try to do
when I'm exercising a gift is put myself
in a position to actually use the gift.
Let me just give you testimony
from a few weeks ago. I was preaching at
a church out in North Carolina.
And I'm on the, on the stage.
On the altar. I said, 'Okay, Lord,
I'm by faith, I want to activate this gift.
I want to see in the Spirit
I want to activate. And all of a sudden, Bob,
I'm walking around looking at people at the altar
just available for what the Holy Spirit
wants to do. And all of a sudden I see
a young man kneeling down at the altar like this
with his head down. And I see a dark figure
over him like a dark cloud.
I knew it was a demon, but it didn't
look like you think. BD: Okay, were you seeing it,
seeing it? like in the natural seeing it?
IS: I was, I was seeing- so, it was, it was
superimposing itself over the natural. So, it was almost like
the natural realm and then something over
the natural realm. So, I knew it was
in the Spirit, but I knew it was
something demonic because it was like
a dark cloud. I don't want to say it was
like a demon with claws like you think,
it was a darkness over, like a dark figure,
a dark cloud. So, I knew there
was a demon. I discerned with
the discerning of spirits, saw it in the spirit,
discerned it was a demonic spirit over
this young man's life. So, I went up
to the young man. I didn't ask him,
do you need this? What is it? Because I already
discern what it was. I immediately said
this, "Satan, he is not your home. I bind
this unclean spirit. You must leave
this young man. He's a temple
of the Holy Spirit." I started praying the fire
of God over him. I commanded the spirit to leave. He immediately
starts screaming, "No, he's mine! What do you want from him?'
Immediately. I mean, I have this video
on my web- on my pages. He's screaming,
growling, shaking. "What is your name?"
"My name is Legion.' I mean, the spirit
for one, manifests. Well, I found out I get
back to my hotel night, the guy
gets fully delivered. I get back to my hotel. I found out it's a young
man that's been following- I've been messaging
this guy on Instagram for months
not knowing it was him and
he got fully delivered. I still talk
to him this day. I just talked to him
two days ago. God completely
delivered him. But I will say
I would have never known that, I didn't ever known he needed freedom
or deliverance. It was through the seeing
in the Spirit I was able to do that. BD: Okay, so as we alluded
to before, is not just seeing in the
Spirit. There's the
five different senses that we have
in the natural, we have in the Spirit. So, let's start with sight.
IS: Yeah. And one of my favorite
stories for that one is in Second Kings Six, with Elisha
and his servant. Tell me- IS: Yeah, absolutely. So, Elisha's about
to get killed. There's a king after
him, many of us know the story, the king
wants to kill Elisha. And, I like to picture
it this way. Of course,
I'm paraphrasing. Elisha wakes up,
he's eating breakfast, his servant
looks out the window, sees an army
all around him and is panicking. And Elisha's
not panicking. And the servants going,
"Elisha, there's people around us.
Why are you not panicking? Why are you not
freaking out?" Now, in Elisha's mind, Elisha's
not freaking out because
he's seeing something the servant is not seeing,
and the servant' not seeing
chariots of fire all around- the army
that's going around. So, here's
Elisha's prayer, Elisha Prays, "Lord,
open up his eyes." Now, I want you to notice
what Elisha says. He doesn't say, Lord,
give him spiritual eyes and maybe the viewers
are listening, going. And even in this time
they're saying, "Lord, give me eyes,
give me eyes." You don't need to pray
for eyes because we all have
five spiritual senses. We need to pray
that God would open them, that God
would activate them. It's like the gifts
of the Holy Spirit. If you have
the Holy Spirit, all the gifts are in you. You just have to pray that
they would be activated. That's why Paul said
it's the same Spirit that gives out
and distributes the gifts. So, he prays that God
would open their eyes. Now, when he prays
for that young man, that young man begins
to see why Elisha's not panicking.
And the reason being is, although they are
surrounded by the enemy, the enemies
are surrounded by God. And I've noticed
in my life, Bob, they're situations
where I'm freaking out, I'm panicking. But then I start seeing
in the unseen realm, I see that I have backup, that God has sent Angels
of warfare to back me up. And I'm not panicking
because I know that God has my back
in the unseen realm. So, it's a very good point to make that
we all have eyes. We just need to pray
that they would be opened. BD: Also, you talk about
how the eye is the window to the soul. Yeah, talk about that.
IS: Yeah, the Bible says, "If your eye is good, your whole body is good." The eye is truly
the window to the body. The Bible describes,
and so, we have to be very careful again
on social media. What are we letting
in our window? People don't realize
entertainment and movies are a big open door
to the demonic realm. And they say, well,
how could a demon come into me through
watching something? Because they come in
through the eye. The enemy's always looking
how to get in. Jesus calls us
spiritual houses. We know this because
he says, when a demon leaves,
he says, "I'm going to go back
to my home.' So, we are houses now. We can be houses
for Holy Spirit. Or we can be houses
for demonic spirits. And one way
I see demons get in when I'm doing deliverance
on people is through the eye gate.
We need to be very careful what we're letting
into our eyes, what we're watching. It's no game.
It's no joke. It's oh, it's not
that big of a deal. It is a big deal. What we're watching
on social media is a very big deal.
So, I would challenge the listeners like, the eye
is the window. And that's why when
I prophesy over people, when I'm
praying deliverance, even when
I'm casting demons out, I look
people right in the eye and I can see
in their eyes darkness around their eyes or I can see light
in their eyes. I'm able to use that gift as well to see through
the eyes because the eye is
the window into the soul. BD: Okay, taste. IS: Yeah.
BD: Really? IS: Yeah. BD: Spiritual taste?
IS: Yeah, some people might say, well, is there? And that's
the important thing. When we talk about
the discerning of spirits, we have five
natural senses which help us discern
what's going on. Naturally, no one listening would
argue that. Oh yeah, I could taste.
I can see. I can- BD: Sure. IS: But we also- so, how do we relate
to the spiritual realm if we use senses to relate
to the natural realm through
discerning of spirits? So, taste is a big one. If you look at Ezekiel
God had him eat a scroll. Well, it wasn't
a natural scroll it was a spiritual scroll. And he said it, "Tasted
like honey." So, many times you might get a taste
in your mouth sometimes, but I'm laying hands
on people and I start getting a very
bad taste in my mouth. A very nasty taste,
a bitter taste. And that's one way
I'm just, again, a demonic spirit.
Discerning a spirit is very powerful
in Deliverance Ministry. So one of the things
that I flow in is through that gift,
through that ministry. So, yeah, bad taste
could be a demonic spirit. A good taste could be
the Holy Spirit moving. Some people say "I taste something
sweet," at the altar. That's a sign
of the Spirit, of God moving,
the Holy Spirit moving. BD: Okay, I think, kind of
related to that, is smell. IS: Yeah. BD: Spiritual smell. IS: Yeah, absolutely. So, the Bible says that"
God spreads His knowledge through the fragrance
of His knowledge, through His people." So, God uses us to spread
the fragrance of His knowledge
throughout the earth. And smell is a big one
as well. You might smell something, you might
smell something bitter, something nasty, you might
smell something sweet. So, a lot of times
the smell could relate to the move of God.
And the Bible talks about when the woman
broke her alabaster box. I'm thinking about and
there was an aroma, right. With the perfume.
Our sacrifice has a smell. I tell believers, are you
spiritually stinky? Like, does your life stink
to God or to other people? And there's some of
those people you just, you just can't like
to be around or even the world doesn't
want to be around them. And that can be because
they spiritually smell, because there's no
sacrifice in their life. So, when you sacrifice
to God, people know, people
can tell in the spirit there's an aroma. When we sacrifice
and give things and lay down our life
to God. BD: Touch. Now, I think
of the woman with the issue of blood-
IS: Yeah. BD: -who pressed in and touched
the fringes of Jesus garment. Talk about that.
IS: I love this because there's
all these people crowding around
Jesus pressing in. And here's Jesus
question, "Who's touching Me?" And the disciples
are going, "Jesus, Messiah,
everybody's touching you. There's a crowd
around you." Jesus goes, "No, I felt somebody
pull power from Me." That's what the Bible
translation says. "Somebody pulled
on Me." Something-, Jesus was talking about, not just
in the natural course. She did touch the hem
of His garment, in the natural,
but she was also touching him spiritually
in the spirit realm. She was pulling on Heaven. And Bob, isn't this
what we do in prayer when we're praying,
we're pulling on God, we're reaching for God,
hanging on. There's some moments, Bob,
we're I'm this. And I have this going on
and this going on. It feels like all hell
is breaking out. And I get in
my secret place and I just grab onto
the hem of His garment. Well, I'm not grabbing on
physically to Jesus. I'm grabbing
on spiritually. So, I challenge believers
in the spirit. Sometimes you got to grab
on to what God is doing. If God is moving, you hang on and go
with what God is doing. So, definitely
grabbing on and touch. There's definitely
an element of touch in the spirit realm. Even when the angelic,
when I'm in deliverance and there's angels
in deliverance, I'm like, oh, you know,
I want to feel them. I can't feel them
in the natural- BD: Right. IS: There's, there's, there's
a touch in the Spirit. I felt times
where you feel the wind of an angel moving in. The Bible says angels
are the winds of God. And so definitely there's
an element to touch there. BD: Okay, the fifth one,
hearing. So, do you hear things
in the spirit like when you do deliverance
and so on? IS: Yeah. So, I'll hear in the Spirit, chains breaking, I'll hear
screams, I'll hear names. There's times
we're I'll literally be casting demons
out of people and I'll hear as if I'm talking to you,
the names of the demon. So, I don't have to
even say, what's your name and why
aren't you leaving, because I'm literally hearing
in the spirit realm, the names of the demons. Let me just
share one testimony. One time
I was in a prayer meeting and I heard a loud trumpet
in the prayer meeting. I'm talking,
when I say loud trumpet. I'm talking like,
who played that? We were in a room of
about 80 people. And there's music playing.
I got on the stage. I said,
did everybody here, everyone in the room
heard it? BD: You weren't the only one.
IS: I wasn't the only one, we all heard the trumpet. So, I really did kind of
like freak out about it, cause I'm saying,
"I just heard a trumpet. Is Jesus coming back? What's going on?"
And I'm hearing a trumpet, so I say, "Okay,
there's something to this now."
I went to the sound booth. I said,
"Was there any?" I made sure the track we were playing,
there was no trumpet, because I want
to make sure, I'm like, I'm one of those guys.
I want it to be real. I don't want to say,
"Oh, there's a trumpet." It was, it was
in the music. So, I said, "No, okay,
wasn't the track." I went through all
the music, okay, it wasn't the song we were
playing that night. I text about ten to
15 pastor friends of mine that are in the area.
I said, "Guys, we had a prayer meeting
corporate with my team. We heard trumpets.
Did anybody else by chance?" About four
or five out of those ten to fifteen I text said,
"We all heard trumpets, the same thing
the same night." So, we got those four
or five churches that heard trumpets.
We started this prayer gathering
called "Confluence," where we all came together
for revival meetings based on the fact,
the sound of the trumpet, Joel 2, "Blow
the trumpet in Zion, sound the alarm,
call the people." God was bringing revival
to our area. And we had about five, some of the most powerful
prayer meetings, revival meetings
ever, based on all five of us pastors
hearing that trumpet. So, that was,
that very mark was very significant,
the sound of the trumpet. So, these
are different sounds you might hear
in the Spirit. Again, one of
the major ones I hear when God wants to
do deliverance in a church or an altar is we'll
hear chains breaking. I'll literally hear it
in the Spirit. BD: Hmm. IS: And God says, "Okay, it's time
to move in deliverance." BD: Okay Isaiah, the viewer
watching right now. Hopefully they're like
on the edge of their seat. IS: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
BD: And they're ready. Take a minute or so and pray a prayer of
activation of the viewer. IS: So, I want to pray over every single person
watching. I know God wants you
to have this gift, the Bible says,
to earnestly desire and pursue
the spiritual gifts. First Corinthians 12.
So, we're going to pray this quick prayer
of activation. Just close your eyes.
Father, we pray right now by Your
Holy Spirit's power in the Name of Jesus, that you would open up the
eyes of our understanding, that you would open up
the eyes and light in our eyes, open them up
in Jesus Name. I speak over every person
watching that your eyes would be opened
in Jesus Name. We say spiritual senses
come alive in Jesus Name, Father, we ask
that you would activate the discerning of spirits
gift in the Name of Jesus over every person
listening, over every person
watching. I pray that the Lord
would open up doors. I pray He would put you
in situations where you need
to exercise this gift. Father, we thank you that
right now in your church that you're opening up
the eyes of the church, that we are not going
to be blind any longer, that we are not
going to be ignorant. In the Book
of Revelation, it says that "Anoint
your eyes with eye-salve." So, I pray the anointing
over your eyes, I pray eyes to see,
I pray ears to hear. I pray that you
would have a mouth to speak the Word of God. I pray spiritual touch
would be activated, spiritual smell
would be activated. Spiritual sight. We just pray
the five spiritual senses would be activated in
the mighty Name of Jesus. Amen. BD: It's more
important now than ever for you to operate in this gift
of discernment. So, I hope that you have
prayed along with Isaiah and, pursue the gifts, pursue the gift
of discernment of seeing in the Spirit, of activating
all of these senses just activated by faith.
Continue to go after it and join us again next
time for "Something More."
