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a boundary pure and simple is a property line because we get confused what's the boundary you think about setting limits or you think about doing an intervention or you think it was a million different things having a conversation differently but basically that's not the definition of a boundary they define what's you and what you want in your life what you want on the property of your heart mind and your soul your experience they define what you want on that property and what you don't want on that property in order to have boundaries we also have to look in the mirror and say why do i allow this to go on why is it difficult for what fears what needs what drives are keeping me in this when you say no to something or to somebody that needs something that is not selfishness you can't solve all of the needs in the world so basically why do we say no remember this you say no to preserve life hey everybody thank you for joining us again today for the dr cloud show my name is jessica i work on dr cloud's team and today i'm going to be bringing you some of our favorite highlights from the dr cloud show since henry is still on the road and isn't able to take live callers we wanted to put together another best of episode except uh this time we're going to be focusing on narcissists wait that didn't sound right did it let's start that again we're going to be talking about the issues with narcissists in different parts of our lives there we go that sounded so much better uh today's calls will talk about narcissist and dating being married to someone who um being married to someone with narcissistic tendencies and dealing with a narcissistic mother if you are joining us today be sure to say hi in the comments and let us know that you're here as the show goes on today and we see you engaging with one another we're going to be reaching out to some of you to give away access to our workshops and boundaries dot me now before we get started a couple of announcements if you watch the show you know henry always starts with announcements henry's upcoming workshop on mentally healthy faith will air live at 5 00 pm pacific time on april 12th and this is the last day to get general admission pricing prices will go up tomorrow so make sure you head over to boundaries dot me slash faith to secure your spot and just as a reminder if you can't attend live you can purchase your ticket today to secure general admission pricing and you can go back and watch the workshop at a time that's convenient to you all right our first talk our first call today comes from someone who says she keeps attracting narcissists in her dating life henry talks to our caller about what signs to look for and how to take the right actions to prevent her from repeating the same patterns as you watch this clip tell us what you think in the comments do you think narcissists are attracted to those who are vulnerable to being too nice let us know we're going to go to lori is calling us from that big old state of alaska up there where they're getting into some very long days here before too long lori how are you hi henry i'm doing great it's daylight all the time all the time well not quite yet but it's still light out late into the night oh my gosh i you know i'm a golfer and i can't imagine living in a place where i could i could play golf until four in the morning talk about heaven it's wonderful it's amazing but then there it gets a little chilly there later in the year so i don't know maybe i have to live in two places so tell me how i can help you've only got a couple of minutes here oh yeah i'm at the end here of your show i will try to make a quick i'd like some help um for me personally how to stop attracting uh a narcissist you have been instrumental in my life um over the last 10 15 years i ended a 28-year marriage and then i lost my parents and very careful about how i dated and vulnerable i suppose i was after my parents died and met an amazing amazing man and i i thought everything was good and played it safe and then that didn't go well and when i date i end up attracting those that really um aren't healthy okay how does it not go well with an amazing man and how long did that take well uh he wanted to be my rescuer and um he helped me move he seemed you know we prayed all the time he just seemed really wonderful but he didn't really have his own opinions his own he never wanted to speak up he was kind of passive and i wasn't used to that and stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop so that was not amazing right repeat that i said that's not amazing you said you met an amazing man but then when you start describing yeah he's helpful but he doesn't really speak up doesn't have any opinions and does it but that's so that's not amazing that's true and it went further right and then you found out whatever we're going to hear about but but when you when your question is how do i stop an attracting artist i guess he flipped and went totally narcissistic on you is that what happened uh well he got uh i guess kind of contacted by somebody he used to talk to and then overnight he no longer wanted to pursue what he was pushing so hard for with me to convince me that he was going to be for me it just ended like abruptly right so when you say pushing so hard what was you mean how is he pushing if you never had an opinion and i'm a little confused sounds kind of passive to me but you said he's pushing yes so how did those come together he was getting discouraged with me for not wanting to move in with him and buy a house when we had just met a little discouraged with me for not um okay all right i got it i got it lori yeah am i going to have to move up there to alaska and follow you around and whisper in your ear on your dates maybe maybe you already actually do okay i want you to listen to yourself i'm gonna i'm gonna pull my hair out here i don't have any left after my wife chopped it off last weekend in a good way thank you very much covid was oh it looks good it looked i had a i had a helmet going on after eight weeks look i want you to if you're going to protect yourself you know you you you called and said how can that how's it how can i stop attracting narcissists all right so i don't know we're going to attract all sorts of people right you can't really stop that part you can stop the your side of the velcro right so you have velcro it's got two sides you take velcro and try to stick it on a wall whether you had to put the other side of it it's just gonna fall off so what you can do is you can get in your side of this and you can begin to open your eyes and here's the internal work that needs to go on i want you to open your eyes to allowing negative information to come up on your screen and have some sort of value and sometimes our needs will stop that from happening so if i'm really really hungry i come in from a trip and i've been i hadn't eaten all day and i started in new york and it was four in the morning here and you know whatever i missed all the meals and i had a seven hour flight and i landed lax and they've lost my luggage every single and i'm wondering here at two in the morning i'm starving and everybody's asleep and i i'm going to make a sandwich and i pull out and the only piece of cheese we've got for some reason is back in the back of the drawer and it's so like gross and moldy i know what you're going to say i'm hungry but i've i've reached 99. i'm not done yet i'm not done yet i'm gonna you're gonna listen to this so so i i i just i just you know i'm gonna kind of ignore that and a lot of times you can right but for whatever reason i'm so hungry i'm gonna eat it anyway all right you know i i i saw it but it i wouldn't let it have the weight it should have because i'm so desiring of my relationship with this cheese now you said you needed rescuing at the time he came in and he gave you a bunch of cheese it's great but there was so much mold on that even from the beginning he's pressuring you to move in with them he's not having any opinions of his own there's a lot of things here why don't you let yourself say i don't like that and i'm not gonna step further into something that i don't like now you can talk but what i was doing was was uh i was used to being in relationships with overt or more assertive people and he was less of that and so that's a good thing and you did give it you gave it a chance but you said you went way further that you got to the point you went far enough to where you were hurt and disappointed correct okay we're going to talk again one day i want you to call me back because we're out of time okay but here's what here's what i want you to ask here's what i want you to ask yourself since i'm not in alaska following you around on all your dates going did you notice the guy doesn't have an opinion whispering in your ear did you notice this is the fourth time he's tried to push you into moving into him at with him after you said no did you notice that since i'm not there to do that i want that voice to be in your head okay let it have weight let it have weight you will begin to wake up and see narcissism for what it is in its many many disguises in many many forms sometimes some of the most narcissistic people are helpers because that's how they control people figure that out yeah see we think narcissists are selfish absolutely they're helping out of selfish reasons a good person when you say no they're gonna love your no as much as your yes yeah okay all right lori call me back i want to talk to you about this some more okay okay i appreciate your help [Music] my [Music] so [Music] all right everyone welcome back and thank you for sticking with us today in this clip from the dr cloud show a caller talks to dr cloud about her husband's narcissistic tendencies and the critical voices that influence her that influence her confidence and self-esteem henry breaks down where negative voices come from and the steps to take on how to overcome them and the science that makes them work while you're watching this clip tell us have you ever struggled with negative or critical voices from others and if so where did you struggle and trying to overcome them my big question for you sir is how do i it's kind of like the opening statement of what you were talking about and i thought i'm going to reword my my question about not that i have quote been told that my husband has is a narcissist but that he does have narcissistic tendencies um so throughout the 20-something years and it was like you just said at the very beginning um someone that you know they put you on this platform and and all that because they have their own weakness um and that's what happened at the very beginning and then all of a sudden all this came out and over 20 something years it's it's been where i don't feel like i have a voice and i'm trying to get them back um we've dealt with alcoholism infidelity um different things we've gone through but um and when you say we've gone through and dealt with was that in a really really deep structured way did y'all go through treatment center and or in family counseling and couples counseling and all that in an extent for an extended period of time that he was involved in and bought into well it's let's see how to kind of put this in a nutshell as we've gone through counseling for quite a long time before this ever was discovered um and somehow he always seems to charm the people but i finally found one that he didn't um charm the person there you go okay stop stop stop if i can say one thing did you guys hear what she just said that she finally found the counselor that he couldn't charm okay now i'm jumping way ahead here or sideways or something but this is why i tell people all the time when you've got an addict or you've got some sort of characterological problems that you're dealing with make sure the counselor that you're going to is somebody that's dealt with gazillions of those and spots it in the first five minutes or they'll go right down the path as well okay thank you for saying absolutely and so i was getting feedback from him that well every time we get to a certain point you want to stop going to that counselor and he said i think it's just because when they get to you and i'm like no because i'm feeling like they're already like sucked into your you know great talent of being children and i finally that should be hold on that should be something that's said in the session see that that's in the session where you turn in the counselor and say look i feel like you're getting sucked in by him right now i i do remember telling one specific one that i just said i feel like you guys are kind of like best friends and we're not really kind of getting to the root of things and then you know i i kind of after that i said i'm just i'm not going back i'm not wasting our money or time because this one's not working good you're a consumer okay so again give me the question so i guess the biggest question that i'm struggling with right now is that i mean i i feel like i've done a lot of work i've done you know the things i know you know noticed earlier but i feel like at this point um i don't have my kids at home anymore i'm an empty nester like like you know you've spoken about um and i'm redefining who i am and i'm trying to get those it's weird to say voices but that's what it is it's like the constant things that you've heard for 20 whatever there are voices oh they are they are voids how do i get past that constant voice that is really stuck in my head if you can't do this or why do you think you can do this it's just a negative type thing that i keep feeling whenever i want to try something new and then i just don't oh when when you wanna i'm trying to understand you can't do this meaning when you want to take a step out in life and do something new is that what you're talking about but that and just feeling good about myself it's kind of all wrapped into one okay i thought we were talking about your husband but but you said a lot of these voices you think came from him okay all right so absolutely let me let let me give this is a great great great question and i would like to have i wish we had i don't have but you probably do and you can go back and look at it in your head sort of the video of kind of like you know the things you've tried okay there's a lot of a lot of times you know there are there are a lot of attempts and there's there's you know components missing sometimes or sometimes you're in such a storm that you know if you want to remodel a house it's hard to do it when you're in a blizzard right and if you're dealing with all this chaos you have been in a blizzard i mean if you're dealing with infidelity and alcoholism i mean that's like you're trying to protect yourself from an onslaught it's hard to do it's hard to do a lot of remodeling other than the remodeling it takes place to set the limits against that stuff and interact with it better okay so right that could be when you say i've done this and this or this it could be that that could be part of it but but sometimes sometimes there may be some missing pieces so so let me tell you kind of the easy way um the easy way nothing's easy it's worth anything um but the uh uh the non-five years of graduate school and more way of understanding this yeah um there are there's two or three things to remember in terms of voices in our heads where do we get them all right there's two places we get them one of the places we get them is we get them from inside of ourselves because every human okay and and this is what what extreme humanistic psychology is wrong about and i don't mean that from a faith perspective i mean from a scientific perspective there are different schools of thought in the in the psychology world some of them are extremely humanistic meaning every single human is born 100 percent like a blank slate with nothing there and if anything negative comes along they got it from the outside okay well not so much if that were true no kid would ever ever need to be disciplined right or have limits or anything like that or you you'd never we inside okay every human and this is where other schools have thought like if you look at the way that narcissism is looked at some people think oh the poor narcissist just didn't have enough nurturance and other people think no they didn't have enough limits on their arrogance and their self-centeredness and and enough you know because that was there too so so we come into the world and we have the potential okay for for this judgment inside of us and many times that judgment in a loving person that judgment that envy that kind of anger that that is part of the broken human condition that gets turned against the self okay so sometimes we just have a tendency to punish ourselves because every human every human has a sense of justice inside of them okay and and like critiques that's what justice does we're born with that but sometimes it is often it turns against ourselves okay and in addition to that kids get bad voices put on them they don't get loving discipline they get angry discipline or they get unrealistic expectations and all that so so i'm saying all this to to talk about the path i said this to try to make this quick it's hard to make it quick but the first thing is that that we're walking around with these voices and sometimes it's hard to tell which ones come from me and which ones came from the outside but at some point it doesn't matter because they live inside of me okay now here's the thing here's what we know neurologically from research that it takes about five to seven positive messages to overcome one negative one that's how strong this stuff is that's how powerful it is yes sir right somebody goes to if somebody goes to a job review a performance review and the boss says oh this is this is great now this one area i want you to i'm not happy with over here what does the person go and obsess about all night it's the one negative thing they hear right a lot of times right okay so i'm saying all this to say this how did those voices get in there well some of them come from us but most of them the power of them came from experiences in relationships all right one of my favorite studies they tested math students in a race who with high iqs on computer screens subliminal messages looking at their brain scans and when the when they subliminally when the ones with a critical father when it's when his name came up on the screen that they didn't even know they had seen it their brain performance went down the ones that had a positive father when his name was put up on the screen their brains performed higher okay so what how's this apply to you you have got to get in a place and there's a lot of things wrong with this term but it's right in a lot of ways get in a place where you are re-parented re-parented with different voices so that's where when people go to for example they go to a boundaries group or you know boundaries not me they get in a forum or whatever and they start to you know they're processing the stuff and that group comes around you and says says no to that critical voice no you you you are you are doing the right thing here you are loved we care about the over and over and over and over and over and over that starts to get wired in a deeper way than the negative one and insight into the negative one to know wait a minute that's not me that's not god that's not reality that's whoever's voice and you learn to shut that one down you learn to go with this one all right but then that doesn't do it it's not enough right now i know what's next that's gonna add to that because i i when i was going through a counseling thing it i was like you know what i think i got it like this is great and then no no no that i was away from it it went back like yes i kind of started nope you're right and it's not only not only the exactly but it's not only the longer you were away from it it's that it didn't come with you in an active ongoing process because what i was just about to say and i'm gonna have to stop after this is it's like when people come up to me and say i would go try stuff and do stuff but i don't have the self-confidence how can i get more self-confidence and i say you're not gonna like the answer but here's how you get the more self-confidence you go out there and you do the stuff and then you learn you can do this wait a minute the voices weren't right why because i'm telling them they're right no because i just did what they said i can't do okay so let me give you a path here first of all this is how neurologically things change first of all there is awareness and we've done that okay you said you we've done that we've added that it's not a done deal you keep doing that but you're learning here's what the voices are i've got this issue i stop when it happens when i hear it i back away okay or i start to get i start to join that voice or whatever and now i got awareness awareness doesn't change anything okay it doesn't but it is the first ingredient to changing but it's not changing it that's why i have recall exactly exactly so what do we do then second step something called focused attention focused attention is focusing my attention on it when it's happening in the moment it's happening not just in my group but i got to find some way to draw attention to it wait a minute now my husband or my boss or my wife or the dude you know they're kind of like okay right in that moment oh this is when i'm doing i see what i'm doing now that i learned now i'm starting to shrink back i'm not giving my voice i'm not whatever focused attention number two and the third one is and this is the key one okay i'm ready you ready for this deliberate deliberate practice okay so that means after the awareness of what the issue is now i've got some way of seeing that i'm doing it right now in this conversation and then i'm going to stop what i was saying and say you know what i just changed my mind i don't want to do that i don't i don't want to have this conversation or i don't want to go on the trip until you agree to blah blah blah or and you deliberately practice the new skill that says i can do this okay and then the fourth thing is you have relational support all the way through and right after you have that conversation where you stood up for the first time in the tiniest little way you run and you call everybody in your group and say okay i'm feeling bad the guilt is coming in i stood up i set her back and the whole process starts over again all right so that's a path but what i want you to see is and i i really wish i could talk longer but i got a bunch of people waiting here but i want you to see this path is something that you don't have an end date to whenever i hear people say well i tried this or tried that or i went through that this is going to be a path not in a blizzard okay of just dealing with him but your own path where you're saying i am going to change these things and you get this path and you get somebody and a group to help you do it and it works it just works so i want you to look at it in a in a way that those ingredients are all there and part of what i skipped over in the beginning some of this old stuff some of that's got to be processed as well sometimes as christians we feel ashamed guilty unforgiven or not good enough to experience god's love the weight of our burdens from the past keep us feeling stuck we condemn ourselves with negative self-talk and go into spirals of all or nothing thinking it destroys our self-esteem and keeps us further from a relationship with god when christians struggle with their faith not only do they feel separated from god the clinical symptoms begin to consume their life rather than seek help they blame themselves convinced that their badness is a result of unresolved sin what steps need to be taken to break the chains that keep us tied to our fall from grace dr henry cloud is hosting a two-hour workshop called mentally healthy faith you'll learn about the parallels between your mental health and spiritual life recognize spiritual abuse and toxic traits in others and better connect with christ's love you weren't created to carry the burden of shame for your entire life you are worthy of forgiveness and the grace of god so join henry on april 12th at 5 00 pm pacific time by going to www.boundaries.me faith well hey everybody thank you again for joining us it's been great having you here in our last call today a concerned daughter calls about her narcissistic mother after her brother has an overdose the color is stuck between honoring versus obeying her mother while trying to build a relationship with her brother dr cloud explains how you can set boundaries with mom's narcissism honor her and explains the difference between love and responsibility check this out [Music] so [Music] all right so you got an older brother he's he's how much older is he than you he's a year older he's a year older okay and how old are you guys how old are you um 45 46. 45.6 okay and you got a mother that's older than both of you and so what's the issue with mom so she's very very narcissistic and she um she's even histrionic and so my brother and i basically have so you guys have yeah we have drama to the narcissist yes yes yeah both of us and so especially when we were younger young adults and um then there so we my brother and i have spent basically a lifetime having nothing to do with each other because of my mom and she tends to isolate and make him be he's the bad guy i'm the bad guy to everybody else look so we've just moved back home and um my husband and i and family and my brother and i are actually speaking we've had to kind of help out our parents with health issues and things yeah let me ask you a question your brother and you are now speaking were you guys just kind of going on your own paths and distant or did you have issues with each other had you hurt each other and you were estranged um it was just you know kid stuff when we were kids but my mom would exacerbate that she would exacerbate that with both of us and um and so when i was right yes that's what she's done and so as we're talking now i'm seeing how hurt he's actually been by the things my mom has done so i've been trying to kind of be there and help him get through some of the issues and and so the thing is with my mom my brother oh dude recently and a lot of this has to do with the hurt that he's suffered yes that he suffered from my mom and so and seeing her indifference and um lack of interest what happens to his overdose yes she thinks he's doing it for attention and so yeah that's exactly what that's exactly what it is and so i've been trying to be there for him and overcome and as i'm doing that we're seeing what's happened through the years what she's done puzzle pieces are fitting together and so i've i've tried to sit down with her and talk to her about a lot of the hurt from the past and then the hurt that's currently going on and it's the same behavior from the past that that's resurfaced or it's always been there but since i've been away i haven't had to deal with it on a daily basis um and so in trying to to talk with her she doesn't want to hear it she's incomplete why do you have to deal with it daily because my dad recently died and i've had to basically just take over all a lot of responsibilities over this past year that have been you know it's been really talented because we're in transition ourselves and it's just been overwhelming and is she is she is she disabled in some way well there are a lot of circumstances she was in the hospital when my dad was in the hospital for seizures since she was in a really bad accident just a few weeks later and she was recovering i was trying to so there's legitimate stuff that you're having to do to kind of help people right so so get i think i got the picture give me a question okay so we've had this falling out since my brother had this incident because i tried to explain to her what the problem was and what her past behavior and her current behavior she doesn't want to hear it and so right so she just basically just runs away from it but then she goes to other people and plays the victim [Music] that matters who does she go to that matters well really nobody but it's that she's putting on social media you know she'll say i've had to cut her off from social media great great look you are loving your brother here god bless you right and you guys are you know you're building something in adulthood remember i talked about earlier that it's life producing okay you have invited her to the party and you can continue to invite her if you want but but you have got to understand that what matters here is being on the side of life and going forward and you're going to love your brother and he's going to love you and you guys families are going to have something together and aunts and uncles and cousins or whatever it's he and you're going to be part of this healing and you're going to learn a lot from not only helping him when you're in all of that and let your mother go spew her stuff all over town as she wants because people will recognize that but you protect the life from that and then you could invite her say you know mom know we had difficult conversation um uh if you ever you don't want to talk about this stuff again i will i'll be happy to but you know i'm not i'm not going to ignore it we do have to resolve it you know but just don't don't let don't let her ruin the next 30 something years right yeah it's just i think it's a religious thing where i feel like i have a responsibility to make peace um even though she continues to hurt show me yeah honor your parents okay honor your parents i'm gonna honor you mom by inviting you into counseling with us so we can have a good relationship going forward if you don't want to do that then um you know call me when you do but i'm going to honor you by inviting you to have a good relationship with us it's very honoring right it doesn't say obey your parents except in one instance in the book of ephesians it says children obey your parents not adults right and i've done that i told her we need to sit down in therapy and i told her that i'm going to have to maintain my distance and personally do that all of that right but don't let her don't let her continue to ruin your life right did i miss a question did i answer yeah listen yeah you did it was good because you know it it is a thing where i feel like with my brother that through this these things are there's some healing going on there yeah um yeah i just i don't want to feel guilty for holding keeping boundaries with my mom great i don't feel guilty great go on facebook go on facebook and say i don't want to feel guilty and i want everybody to come tell you what they've had to do look look at you you are serving her you're taking care of all of her medical and you know business and all this kind of stuff that's very very honoring that doesn't mean you have to put up with crap knives being stuck in you no you can be a healing agent say mom i can do this for you and i want to do this where i want to help you now if you start you know yelling at me or you know whatever it is she doesn't hurt you and then i'll probably have to uh i don't know maybe sometimes i can listen to that i don't know i'll put my earplugs in but probably i won't but i'll be glad to help with all your stuff see you can continue to serve her and have boundaries there is no there's no verse in the bible that says blessed are the doormats for they shall inherit the heels that's not in there anywhere right and you um you you said earlier there's a bunch of religious stuff right well let's take the religious stuff and put it over here and let's go to actually what the bible says what jesus said he said he said when they came to him and said hey your mother and your brother and your sisters now they're over there and they he said who are my mother and brother and sisters who is my family those who do what god wants people that are pursuing life he said his spiritual family certainly you're going to be loyal to your biological family but picking people that are on this path with you and protecting that path is not a bad thing that's a good thing so don't let the religious stuff come get you read what the book actually says another place he said he said you know people when they follow him he said he said i've come to turn families against one another a mother against her daughter his father you know and he named all these relationships that are going to going to have problems because some people are going to want to go to the light some people want to stay in the darkness he actually said that right now i'm not telling you to not help your mom continue to help you just i'm telling you to protect what you and your brother have going here in healing right yeah okay okay i don't i haven't did i really answered the right question yeah yeah you helped it did because it just sort of confirmed how i was already feeling you know because you can sometimes doubt the path that you're taking and so like i know that i'm doing the right thing here i know that you know even yeah even though she's making it seem like we're both against her it's it's not that we're not against her we're just trying to say hey look these behaviors are hurtful and harmful can you please stop and she refuses i understand and you know what all you can do is continue to lovingly tell the truth and right some people will continue to attack you attack you but you are doing the right thing i'll give you one more little tip and then i gotta let you go is this um you said you know you just you know you're doing the right thing but sometimes it's hard and there's other messages i want you to get around some kind of support group with some people that understand this like a boundaries group in a church or a codependency group or an alanine group or a therapy group because when you get in a group and you start telling people some of the hurtful stuff that's going on they will help you and they will support you and they will combat those voices inside your head so i hope you find that as well right for you you and your brother okay yeah okay all righty thank you for your call how many people oh my gosh can identify with [Applause] everything tammy was talking about you know if you are a loving and responsible person sorry you kind of hard you got a hard path because here's what happens to loving and responsible people like tammy she cares and she's responsible she'll even take over all of this stuff in loving her mom through this but sometimes if you're loving and responsible then people who aren't so loving or aren't so responsible can literally play that and take you to the cleaners and that's why loving responsible people have to have good boundaries because excuse me um something got me we have um some wind blowing dust stuff around here i don't think i have covey um what was i oh loving and responsible people that's why you have to have boundaries because if you're if see if you're loving and you're not very responsible who cares nobody's going to come to you for help right you can't not responsible i don't want you helping me you don't want somebody helping you that's not responsible but they're loving well great if somebody's overly responsible but they're not loving then they'll just do you know take care of their mother and say shut up i don't want to talk to you and they'll be unloving in it but the loving and responsible people they actually have a conflict you know they they got to do both and that's when it gets tricky so sorry but good it's good that you are one i'm just sorry it's gonna be hard at times but hey that's why everybody's here to help well hey everyone i just wanted to thank you again for being here with us and this praise in this presentation of the dr cloud show henry will be back soon because i know he misses being with you all and he certainly appreciates your patience as he gets through a really busy season right now and here's just one more friendly reminder that coming up our workshop on mentally healthy faith will air at 5 00 pm pacific time on april 12. today is the last day to get general admission pricing before prices go up tomorrow thanks again for tuning in with us we'll see you all next time you

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