Charlie's conflict with the insane bodybuilder vegan gains would go down as one of the most tumultuous controversies in YouTube history a mentally ill vegan who goes as far as making fun of children with cancer so blah blah blah cancer is an Almighty killer and I wish there was a cure for it I for one will be supporting Team Lewis and the future and hope you guys will too one day cancer will be a thing of the past and the memory of Ls will live on in the Cure when it's found to wishing death upon Charlie would literally jizz my pants if I heard a vegan ended the existence of penguin zero or all the way to threatening literal babies and when I see babies in a stroller especially when they're crying I just want to put my foot through the and step on it until it's nothing but blood and Pulp on the fuing pavement hi I'm the internet Anarchist I create weekly YouTube documentaries and today we'll be looking into the insane vegan YouTuber known as vegan gains as well as his catastrophic controversy with YouTube Titan penguin zero AKA moist critical or Charlie if you didn't just have a bout of nostalgia you may be asking yourself the question of who is vegan gains vegan gains real name Richard Burgers Rose to fame on YouTube by generating controversial and provocative content sent to around veganism targeting meat eaters and other YouTube bodybuilders he cultivated a reputation for his aggressive and confrontational style quickly becoming a divisive figure in the YouTube landscape by 2015 his notorious Antics had garnered disdain from the broader YouTube Community although his following of more radicalized vegans continued to swell am the escalating drama in late 2015 the world would witnessed some of the first signs of sociopathic symptoms when vegan gain's grandfather would suffer and die from a heart ATT attack right in front of his eyes for an average person this would be an extremely traumatizing event but for vegan gains this was an opportunity to take out his camera I just got back from the funeral thing that we had it wasn't exactly a funeral but a bunch of family got together and I was dragged to it but anyway um I was planning on showing you guys footage of my grandfather actually having the heart attack um as soon as the paramedics got to the house I took out my camera and started filming but um a bunch of people in my family my mom my grandmother uncles like that they threw a big fit about me showing that footage on YouTube they're perfectly fine with eating foods that cause heart disease and make people actually die of heart attacks but when it comes to actually showing people what happens when they eat these Foods that's just too much so later in the the video vegan Gaines would talk about the situation like it didn't even matter and like it was deserved showing zero empathy at all now why this heart attack happened it's obvious he was eating like absolute ridiculous amounts of like red meat and pork and ice cream and like that and you know I knew a few months ago he didn't have long to live I even told my mom I think back in like February or March like he's not going to make it to the end of the year and uh yeah I called it um he died because his diet was absolute one of the most notable controversies earlier in his journey was with the YouTuber Furious Pete which was explained well by the gamer of Mars where he discussed vegan gain's interaction with Pete Furious Pete is one of the biggest YouTubers in the genre of eating challenge videos along with this Pete is also known to be very into fitness with him often making videos about his workout routines in August of 2015 though he had some bad news to reveal to his 3 million subscribers when people in the comments started to mention that it looked like he was losing weight Pete decided to make this video in it he explains that he was fighting a second round of cancer which was taking a toll on him physically and mentally now this is where vegan gains enters a picture Richard is a Canadian born man in his 20s that is fully committed to the vegan lifestyle and runs a YouTube channel about it because of past altercations with Pete vegan gains decid to make a video about the cancer and let his true feeling WIS out loud and clear and it seems I was correct because Pete got cancer again oh so sad and before you all start calling me a sociopath as some sort of attempt to insult me how about you consider the fact that Furious Pete makes fun of the suffering in death of the animals he eats on a daily basis so I don't see why I shouldn't make a joke about his suffering and death so who would like a haha you're going to die of cancer t-shirt this would just make up of one of the many times that vegan gains would actively push out borderline sociopathic opinions and stances online there are some people that I really do love and I think they're worth something but the majority of the human race I just have absolutely no respect for so don't get on my bad side make some vegan gains and be nice to animals or I'll kill you one of the many Fitness YouTubers at vegan gains would beef with was a Creator known as Lex Fitness throughout the controversy Lex Fitness would claim that vegan gains was a keyboard Warrior and challenged him to confront him in person which to Lex's surprise he actually [Music] did we actually walk around the last hour by July grade A under a a popular YouTuber at the time would create two videos calling out and making fun of vegan gains which would gain 1.6 million views and 4.8 million views respectively ultimately massively boosting the awareness for vegan gains for vegan gains any attention was good attention and he would make a video thanking grade A under a for sharing his content to millions of people a lot of you have been begging me to respond to grade under a and some of you have gotten the idea that the reason I've been reluctant to do so is because of fear of embarrassment but no I just don't have a 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is most known on this entire website forget this all right threatening to kill people that decide not to only eat plants and you're going to die just like those animals on top of all that he's also known for for threatening people that don't like him to get this come and meet him somewhere so they can try so they can try to kill him and I'm not talking about killing him in Call of Duty or something I'm talking about real life you get stabbed in the neck you're done it's over it all started a few months ago when he uploaded a brand new video saying he was going to a vegetable club and that if you didn't like him you could actually come to that vegetable club and try to straight up battle him so it's a good opportunity to try and kill me so if you think you have the guts come to the toron of V F I swear to God I am so done this dude is literally threatening people to come and find him at a vegetable club so they can fight him like dude what is this guy's life he's like a real life anime character despite receiving a considerable amount of negative attention vegan gains would continue to amass a large cult-like audience of radical vegans and people attracted to the drama he created but all things must eventually come to an end and by 2017 his long run of viral growth would come to a halt as his channel went from a massing 7 million views per month in January of 2016 down to 1.8 million views per month in December of 2018 one year later on the 27th of January 2019 the vegan gains channel would be terminated from YouTube with a tweet reading please help at YT creators I run an educational channel that focuses around plant-based nutrition and I just had my my channel terminated I've tried my best to comply with YT guidelines but apparently one of my older videos got flagged I would appreciate help to resolve this issue despite the termination being shortlived with this channel being reinstated a week later on the 7th of February it would serve as a wakeup call for vegan gains and from here on out he would do his best to turn down the violent threats and sociopathic behavior on his streams and videos throughout 2019 vegan gains would attend and speak at conferences look into research paper is on veganism and overall be less involved in drama but the new style of content didn't sit well with his audience demographic of both radical vegans and non-vegans who subscribed for drama and in turn his channel would constantly lose thousands of subscribers each month as 2020 rolled around vegan gains was still losing subscribers and gradually Fading Into IR relevancy that would be until he spotted a golden opportunity on the 27th of March when YouTuber penguin zero who will be referring to as Charlie published a video exposing another creator for mistreating animals in a video titled YouTuber tortures and eats animals alive throughout the video Charlie would call out and challenge the disgusting behavior of a particular mukbang YouTuber known as Sir young who was creating live feeding videos on her Channel her name is so young and what she does on her channel is she buys sea creatures alive and then kills them in the slowest most inhumane ways possible because she likes to watch them squirm around and put Facebook royaltyfree music behind it is a joke for example with a squid in particular she cuts the hood off and then sets the body down and the body is still alive the squid is still technically alive and it's moving around trying to get the away she'll pour sauce on it and put some goofy music and make some stupid jokes about it it's terrible stuff she treats it like it's a Nick Jr cartoon where she's making these like goofy sounds and Goofy YouTuber faces like that's kind of garbage that's what she does as the creatures are clinging to the last ounce of Life they have and sometimes she doesn't bother to kill the creatur like for octopus she'll just eat them alive straight up now I know there's a lot of people that argue you know RC creatures even alive you know some of them don't have nervous systems this and that and yeah there's a debate to be had there I suppose but the creatures she chooses to eat alive are the ones that are well documented in being very much aware and alive for example the octopus octopus are among the most intelligent creatures we have on the planet they're up there with dolphins they have a fully complex nervous system brain they have as many neurons as dogs do and they process pain and information and much the same way a dog does they're able to remember that kind of information as well so how does she treat an octopus well by devouring it alive as it tries its best to run the [Music] away one of the key points Charlie explored throughout the video was how she would often pick out animals which were known for being incredibly smart such as octopi which are known for thinking remarkably similar to humans in terms of problem solving short-term long-term memory and a highly developed nervous system eating an octopus alive is like eating a dog alive they're on the same they're they're on the same level she's basically just eating a Sea hintai Dog it's it's crazy how this is even allowed and how she has an audience that supports it and defends her in the comment section she has simps defending her in the comment section have have some shame even if you set aside morals and ethics the the content itself is atrocious all she does when she's not torturing and eating animals alive is Scream as you know you have Goofy cartoon music blasting behind her so unless you're 8 years old who finds jingling Keys comedic because they're loud I don't know how you could possibly be entertained by anything she does it's terrible [Laughter] [Music] trash towards the end of the video Charlie would call her out for how she brutally prepared squid let's see how she handles a [Music] squid [Music] as you can likely imagine that's the most inhumane way of killing a squid and preparing it she didn't dress the squid she mutilated it while it was alive the video proved to be a massive success accumulating over 9 million views not only that but it also succeeded in raising awareness about the inhumane treatment of animals on the platform a move that was widely recognized by the YouTube Community with comments stating the worst part of this is that octopuses are known to have very similar emotions to humans the fact that the squid was still alive when she ripped off their head things absolutely disgusting as well as I think the most Sinister part about this is that she acts like this is silly she laughs and makes funny noises she's acting like this is comedic it's sick whilst it's safe to say the YouTube Community saw the video as a g reality check vegan gains would see it as his golden ticket to relevancy on the 17th of April vegan Gaines would publish a video titled penguin zero the arch hypocrite where throughout the video he would criticize and call out Charlie for allegedly being a hypocrite referencing a video that Charlie posted earlier that month titled I tried making sausages and it was a disaster but I was really sad to see that only a few uh few weeks after penguin made this video he uploaded a video where he supported animal cruelty he made a sausage making video so what is this Charlie honestly I don't know anymore this looks like something I would have dissected in Biology class in high school you're going to show them the front of it and show them what it's supposed to be supposed to be sausage casing but I feel like I've been scammed and got intestines so it seems that penguin is unaware of this but sausage casings at least natural sausage casings like the one he's using are in fact made out of animal intestines and if you look at the package hog sausage casings as the name implies uh these sausage casings are made out of pig intestines so I find it interesting that uh penguin will complain about so young abusing torturing and murdering uh these sentient animals these very intelligent animals by the way like octopi and Squid but he's totally fine with abusing torturing and murdering other very intelligent animals you know in the meat industry whilst vegan gains managed to compose himself considerably well throughout the video many of his arguments would be irrational and difficult to take seriously such as when he claimed Charlie was worse than so young simply because he eats meat so who are you to criticize so young for not killing these animals quickly and humanely when you can't even do that yourself so you're just a complete hypocrite and if anything uh what you're doing is arguably worse because again you're paying someone else to do it it's happening behind closed doors you can keep getting away with this you can keep doing this and you don't have to suffer any social repercussions Financial repercussions I'm sure eventually so Young's YouTube channel will end up being terminated for this sort of content but you can keep doing this and just get away scottf free um so I also want to touch on this uh issue you brought up of Humane killing uh there's no such thing as Humane killing there's no way to kill a sentient being nicely because murder is inherently cruel it is inherently cruel to take away the life of a sentient being that has a will to live if we were doing the sort of thing to family pets like dogs if somebody shot a dog in their backyard killed it instantly in one shot the video would be received extremely negatively with it amassing over 30,000 dislikes compared to only a mere 4 ,000 likes with comments stating the amount of punch ability this man's face has is incredible if you can't tell the difference of ripping a part of life animal and torturing it for fun and ordering a fish sandwich you've got some serious mental issues there Mr gains what about attitude and Outlook you have my God as well as okay buddy on one side we have a weird lady who eats animals alive and on the other side we have critical who eats processed foods why don't you actually compare the two like-minded people like a person who actually supports animal abuse and the octopus lady the following day Charlie would published a video titled addressing a contraversy where he would respond to the video vegan gains created about him Charlie being an animal lover took the accusations and opinions very seriously but he would also go into depth on how vegan gains and his cult-like following are the reason that vegans get a bad reputation and why most average people wouldn't even consider turning to veganism themselves I want to lead this conversation by saying I have nothing but respect for veganism as a whole but it's people like vegan gains who are overly aggressive and the feral monsters in his comment section that really give vegans a bad rap and a negative reputation in the world they vilify anyone who's not a vegan they treat it like a cult where you're a huge piece of evil and wrong if you're not in their club now of course I'm not talking about everyone who is a vegan I am talking about this community that vegan gains has fostered here and he himself this is the worst way of Ever Getting anyone to convert to that belief by constantly antagonizing them and throwing insults to anyone that is not already a vegan ensures that they will never take it seriously and always have a negative impression of your beliefs they're like those protesters outside of ComicCon every year with those Jesus hates people that like cartoon signs you guys are wrong you guys suck and you're going to hell if you don't come to our church no one's ever going to go to that no one likes to be lectured at be raid or insulted they're not going to go to those people that that are throwing those their way following this Charlie would revealed that he himself actually supports meat Alternatives and that they could in fact be the future this sentiment would serve to set the tone for the rest of the video as Charlie respectfully dismantled all of vegan gain's arguments and I think that sucks because I truly believe meat substitutes are the future 100% it's much more sustainable there's so many benefits to meat substitutes that it is just a significantly better cheaper and just allaround better Market but it's more about getting people to accept that that could be the future but you have people like vegan gain being the face of it and no one takes it seriously and they get this really bad taste in their mouth later in the video Charlie addresses the allegations that his actions are comparable to those of Sir young presenting a thoughtful counter argument so this one here I am just as bad if not worse than so young because I'm paying someone to do what she does on camera but that's not it either like you're totally wrong I'm not paying someone to torture animals what people who eat meat are under the impression of they're paying someone to humanely provide that food for them given the circumstances as Humane as it can possibly be if I found out the place I'm getting my meat from has a YouTube channel where they're finger blasting cow carcasses and using chicken corpses As baseball bats I'll stop buying from it obviously no one is paying for these animals to be paraded around on YouTube and tortured have salt poured on their corpse so they wiggle around and scream no one's paying for that so for him to say that I want to go out of my way to slap these meat producers in the face with money cuz I need that precious meat and don't care how they treat the animals is outright wrong subsequently he confronts the Absurd claim that his meat purchases are inhumane and cruel articulating a well-reasoned response Humane killing uh there's no such thing as Humane killing there's no way to kill a sentient being nicely because murder is inherently cruel it is inherently cruel this is a point I see brought up throughout all of veganism that no matter how an animal is killed no matter how Humane it's deemed it is inherently evil and wrong but I have to ask then does that make every animal in the animal kingdom inherently evil because the vast majority of animals out there eat other animals to survive and they don't do it quickly so does that make every animal in the animal kingdom that eats other animals inherently evil or is that trait specific to humans alone and if so why I know people always say that to a vegan when they're trying to Epic own them in a Reddit comment but typically they'll just say that that's deflecting or a dumb question but I actually would like to know your opinion on it vegan gains what do you feel when an animal eats another animal is that animal now evil and is that whole species bad it's just I don't understand where the line is drawn humans do it in a way that is significantly less cruel to the animals than how the animals do it to each other next Charlie responded to vegan gain's ridiculous argument about shooting your ear dog if somebody shot a dog in their backyard killed it instantly in one shot would you say oh good you know he humanely nicely murdered his dog no yeah this comparison you've given here is actual dog this doesn't fit anywhere into this ballpark here someone came and shot your pet for no reason when these animals are being killed there is a reason behind it it is so that it can provide food for people out there I think I get the point you're making but dog and pig why dog not Pig oh goodness me what if dog was killed you'd be upset about dog but not Pig you can be upset equally for both if that pig is a pet and it gets killed like that you're going to be upset it's inhumane that's not what the we're talking about here that makes no sense even if it wasn't even a living creature let's say your son had a pet rock that he bonded with hugely and someone comes over and throws in the trash that shit's inhumane it's it's it's not right it's evil this comparison just doesn't fit into this argument anywhere because in your example someone just comes and shoots a beloved family member to conclude the video Charlie explains that individuals like vegan gains may actually be causing more harm than good to the vacant Community presenting a Nuance analysis I know only showed like four clips from his video but that's because these are the only four times he made a point the rest of the video was filled with either him repeating the same thing or showing the atrocities that do unfortunately occur in some places in the meat industry and I agree terrible absolutely terrible what happens in some of those places and then he talks about the meat Alternatives and how great they are totally agree that slaps I talk about it on my streams from time to time when people ask me what my opinion is on vegan food I love meat Alternatives but the majority of the videos him just repeating the same point meat eater can't like animals if meat eater like animal meat eater wrong meat eater dumb meat eater bad it's the silliest way of looking at things the most childish and naive way of approaching things by vilifying these people by vilifying meat eaters you're ensuring that they're never going going to try vegan food because they're going to associate vegan food when they see beyond meat vegan they're going to associate that with someone who's just crying on YouTube I tuned into your doom Eternal stream last night and you started whining towards the end of it about how everything you do loses you subscribers you then had a moment of self-reflection and realization when you said maybe it's because you're an unlikable yes that's exactly why that is how you're perceived on YouTube it's how you conduct yourself you're extremely condescending to anyone that's not in your Club you literally present yourself as a pseudo intellectual Twitter user on YouTube you attack everyone in the fitness industry that even so much as walks by a diner that has meat on the menu you go out of your way to be an to people and then act surprised when people think you're an it's how you're conducting yourself this hyper aggressive way and it's not just you vegan games but a lot of people in that Community go out of their way to try and lecture people or guilt them into joining which is the worst possible approach to take and only holds the back the public perception of meat substitutes could be huge right now if the community as a whole didn't keep vilifying them for it the video would be received extremely well from the audience with one comment putting it well moral of the story vegans give vegans a bad name later the same day vegan gains would publish a response to Charlie's video by now it was becoming more and more obvious that he was involved with the intent to stir drama rather than having a real and honest discourse as you would take the offensive and call out Charlie's audience for being toxic and allegedly harassing him on stream I just did a live stream a few hours ago and because Charlie did this response video around the same time I started my live stream a lot of his followers came over to my live stream and what did they do uh they called me names uh they were spamming the chat with oh meat tastes great uh you're an idiot uh they were talking about how they uh Butcher and kill animals and throughout the entire stream there were people encouraging everyone to to false flag the stream to get it taken down and to give my channel a community guideline strike and there were even people who were insulting me with racial slurs like the nword is my community that toxic Charlie does my community go over to your channel and just spam you with nonsense uh do the people who follow me encourage everyone to false flag your videos your streams to give you community guid line strikes do they insult you with racial slurs I'm pretty sure they don't so not only are you just making ridiculous personal attacks and poisoning the well but this is just completely hypocritical your community is just as if not more toxic than my community and what the hell does this matter what does this have to do with the topic of my video of animal ethics nothing you are just going off on a completely irrelevant tangent to just make me and my community look bad so that you seem like the reasonable one but you are clearly anything but reasonable rather than taking accountability for his own actions vegan gains would frequently resort to deflecting instead of blaming his long history of sending death threats starting fights and sociopathic Behavior he instead blamed Charlie for being the one to point it out one of the dumbest takes that vegan gains had throughout the video was his comparison of Charlie Bing KFC to the literal Holocaust it's not illegal nor is it some type of moral conundrum to like animals but still eat meat so two really bad arguments here first argument he made he said that killing and eating animals isn't illegal well what does that matter uh the law doesn't determine morality at one point it was legal to keep slaves in Nazi Germany it was legal to to kill Jews so is it okay to keep slaves and kill Jews as long as it's legal no so if the law doesn't determine morality then why are you using that as an argument the video would only escalate from here as next vegan gains would go for Charlie's love of dogs as an argument and the second argument he made wasn't even an argument he just merely made a statement he said that it's not contradictory to claim that you're an animal lover but also kill and eat animals no that is completely contradictory if you are going to claim that you love animals or you are a friend to animals you can't then kill them um you're a dog lover it seems uh Charlie you have you know a lot of Instagram videos and videos where you're playing with your dogs giving them a lot of love care and attention would it be hypocritical for you to shoot and kill your dogs just shoot them in the back of the head and then chop them up and eat them yes that would be pretty damn hypocritical you can't claim that you love something you can't claim that you support Animal Welfare but then also support their abuse and murder that's nonsense following this vegan gains would almost have a good argument when he attempted to use Charlie's argument of animals eating other animals against him in order to defend sir Young's content and I'm not accusing Charlie of doing this I don't know what his real intention was here but normally when I hear this sort of argument made or point that animals kill other animals people are suggesting that because animals do it then it's okay for us to do it well if you're actually making that argument that if animals do it it's okay for us to do it then you can't criticize so young as you pointed out when animals kill other animals they do it in horrific fashion they usually start eating the while it's still alive well if it's okay for us to emulate animal behavior then what so young is doing is perfectly fine she's emulating animal behavior she is eating these animals while they're still alive just like other animals do so again if you're going to use this as an actual argument it just proves further that you are a complete hypocrite the video would finally end with vegan gains responding to Charlie's comments about him losing subs and being unlikable due to his own behavior it's safe to say the video was received extremely poor Hy with the video massing over 23,000 dislikes and comments in support of Charlie such as bro get out of here you kept saying he was making personal attacks when you've been personally attacking him for eating meat and being a hypocrite the point of his video wasn't to counter argue you he was annoyed with the fact that vegans yourself included are getting far too aggressive with insulting meat eaters I personally don't like animal torture but end up having to eat meat due to substitute pricing and dietary reasons you're a total toolbag dude all you can do is stir up cont rovery to get clicks imagine how great this channel would be if he wasn't such an immature prick 3 days later on the 21st of April Charlie would publish his final video on the situation throughout the video Charlie would respond to a variety of vegan gains deflections and arguments such as how vegan gains accused Charlie of fostering a toxic Community as well as how vegan gains would misrepresent scientific information in order to feel his moral superiority complex by now it was crystal clear to Charlie that vegan gains wasn't involved D in the controversy to represent the unspoken voice of animals but rather for his own personal benefits I wanted his perspective I did open that video up for a dialogue I thought that's what the goal was but vegan gains has made it clear he doesn't give a about a conversation he only cares about milking the attention this would set the turn for the rest of the video as Charlie would go on to dismantle not just vegan gain's arguments but himself as a person the point I'm making is your entire history on YouTube has been actively shooting the idea of meet substitutes in the foot to people that aren't in the no you say a lot of it's geared towards education but if you look at the video you made about me only a chunk in the middle seems educational where you talk about the Alternatives and well here's what you could have done that's educational the entire second half of the video is you're you call so young a piece of look in the mirror you're a hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite you do this you're a hypocrite she does this she's not a hypocrite you're hypocrite big hypocrite that's not educational and it doesn't do anything you're not challenging my beliefs you're not making me re-evaluate the way I look at things that's just you doing an attack the way vegan gains presents himself is extremely out of touch and Charlie would call him out for this too as he would go into call vegan gains delusional for his comparison of eating chicken for dinner to being equal or worse than literally torching and eating intellectual animals alive but since you want to play this game I'll hop in the swamp with you for a moment and fight you on some things your comparison to me eating a chicken tender being the same as so young torturing animals on YouTube for entertainment if not worse that is just outright ridiculous and you're delusional it's hard to have like an actual cohesive argument to that cuz it is so outlandish that's like me saying you support the abuse of women and children by buying tickets to a movie Hollywood has abused child actors and actresses constantly so by you having seen even a single movie in your life you have supported that it's a moral High Ground anyone can take against anyone for anything you wear a gaming headset during your streams you realize those parts that compose that gaming headset a lot of them are made in sweat shops very very immoral means of getting those parts and you're wearing it freely so by wearing that you're supporting that kind of terrible thing in the world I'm of course not the only one to make this comparison but you keep dodging it on Twitter a user proposed the exact same thing and your response was oh you're just you're not nearly on the same level of intelligence that I am you don't know what you're talking about I'm holier than thou you're wrong look at foxcon I don't know if you're joking or if you're actually dumb but fox conon actually does use miners at their Factory in China they're being investigated for it it's pretty well documented and foxcon is an extremely terrible place to work that's well known for workers committing suicide so I don't know why you'd use this as an example to somehow dismiss the argument but if you even if you did cherry pick like the world's best Factory it doesn't dismiss the comparison that'd be like me saying hey look at this incredible slaughterhouse that treats its animals extremely well this is representative of all slaughter houses right it just doesn't make any sense you just come across real dumb here later in the video Charlie would break down the various hypocritical actions of vegan gains such as how he produced cotton t-shirts for profit which is known for having adverse effects on wildlife and nature but none of this would come close to when Charlie brought up a dark moment in vegan gain's past the time when vegan gains decided to make fun of a child suffering from cancer one thing you've done pretty often is make fun of people with cancer which I think is very low even recently it's not like you've progressed past an edgy stage recently you made fun of a bodybuilder who took a picture with a child with cancer cancer is an Almighty killer and I wish there was a cure for it I for one will be supporting Team Lewis in the future and hope you guys will too one day cancer will be a thing of the past and the memory of lwis will live on in the Cure when it's found well Eddie since we're still waiting for that cure for cancer to be found how about in the meantime we try and prevent ourselves from developing cancer in the first place vegan gains defends this clip vehemently by saying he's clearly not mocking this child with cancer but I don't know how he can possibly not see how it seems like he is by the way he's talking if I talk to you that way vegan gains you'd think that I'm mocking you right like my name's Richard and I'm so mad at meat that sounds like I'm making fun of you doesn't it that's exactly what you did to this kid in this very tough situation the video seem like a perfect way to end the Saga Charlie not only gave relatively solid counterarguments but he also explained to vegan gains where he went wrong with his approach with constructive feedback on how to actually convert more people into being vegan and the audience recognized this with comment stating I originally thought Charlie was just a funny and sarcastic YouTuber then I realized he's actually pretty intelligent and a great person did Charlie just destroy a man with his own logic and ideology through sheer intelligence and rational sense as as well as Charlie may not like controversy videos but he's godamn good at them when it seemed like the back and forth had finally come to an end vegan gains would post yet another video the video was about all you could expect from vegan gains by this point deflections after deflections after deflections he would unironically try to argue that Charlie was only making personal attacks at him for his own financial gain and that's despite the entire drama being started by vegan gains himself by making the accusation that Charlie is worse than a literal animal abuser simply based on the fact he eats meat the video can be easily summed up by when vegan gains resorted to calling Charlie a liia so Charlie it's obvious that you're just lying and trying to slander me I guess because you're mad that you lost this like argument on the internet uh it's funny how you will take this clip of me out of context but you won't actually show what I actually said on this issue I think my stance on this was very reasonable even if you disagree I don't think you can claim after watching that clip that I made fun of a kid with cancer yet still even though you alluded to the fact that you are aware of this clip you saw the video I made you still deliberately chose to take this clip out of context and slander me seriously you're just a piece of crap I I I don't even understand why you're doing this other than you're just mad that I made you look like a fool the video once again would be received extremely negatively with the video garnering over 22,000 dislikes compared to a mere 3.8 th000 likes with stating other morons like you have used this personal attack against me for someone who hates personal attacks so much you sure use them a lot this guy is so sensitive and has done no research on what Charlie is like in any of his videos wish I could dislike more than once as well as I know this is a year old but how are you going to end the video by saying you prove Charlie's a hypocritical liar without any reasoning other than well I don't believe those facts H whilst it's safe to say that vegan gain's idea of baiting Charlie into giving him attention worked quite well his channel would only continue to decline over the following year and by 2021 he proved he wasn't finished with his sociopathic behavior when he would get called out by Greg duet for making fun of another man and his son just mere hours after he passed away Coach Greg and as you know I'm not a fan of vegan games he often does videos attacking me or other people but this time he went after John Meadows only hours after he passed away I was sent a video from profit fear vegan gains insults Jon Meadows just hours after his death so I watched the video and I was shocked by what he said I was thinking should I do a video or not do a video and I think that we need to call him out when he does something wrong he should realize that there's a line where you just can't cross and that line was crossed despite vegan gain slowly fading into irrelevancy more recently he has made appearances on debates her by Destiny where he is known for losing his temper rage quitting and his usual lack of empathy for other humans if you enjoyed this video please consider subscribing
