How Machiavellian was Machiavelli? Public lecture by Quentin Skinner

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This is a great lecture. I was curious why he never took that step back, which seems typical of discussions of Machiavelli, to where the author's motivations are considered. How we read Machiavelli can depend a lot upon whether we take the advice in The Prince to be honest, cynical, satirical, etc.

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-Well, thank you, Matthew, for these very generous words. And thank you all very much for your presence. It's a great delight to be back here in York. This is a lecture about Niccolo Machiavelli and his best known work of political theory, "The Prince," [ITALIAN]. But I want, first, to say a word about Machiavelli himself. A Florentine, born 1469. He, first of all, devoted himself to a life of public service. And it's an important fact about his biography that he wouldn't have expected, in his earlier years, to have been the author of any work of politics. He devoted himself, as I say, to the service of the Republic. And he was, indeed, second chancellor of the Florentine Republic from 1498 until the sudden collapse of the Republic and the return of the Medici princes to power in 1512. 1512 was a great year of crises for Machiavelli. He was not only summarily removed from his position in the second chancellery. But he became an object of suspicion to the Medicians, alleged to have taken part in a plot against the return of the Medici princes to power. And he was imprisoned and tortured. He is released from prison in a general amnesty at the beginning of 1513. But he is ordered to absent himself from the city. He is in compulsory exile from the city, living in his farm south of the city, overlooking it. But he's not permitted to re-enter that space. And that is the end of his public career, tremendous division in his life, 1512. Because from that time onwards he has no public role, no political office. And becomes the man of letters, the philosopher of politics who is known to posterity. Now, settling down early in 1513 in the countryside in forced leisure, which he hated, he writes a famous letter to his friend Vettori-- Francesco Vettori-- in December of 1513. In which he says, well, how have I been occupying this enforced leisure? He says, well, I have just finished writing a little book which is [SPEAKING LATIN], concerning principalities. And he is referring, clearly, to the completion of his treaties, "The Prince." Now, if Machiavelli began writing that little book-- as he implies-- as soon as he was let out of jail, then he began to write it exactly 500 years ago to the month. So it's this date, it's a great anniversary for Machiavelli scholars. The writing of "The Prince," the beginning of the writing of "The Prince," exactly 500 years ago in February or March of 1513. So it's that date, as well as the book, that I want, in a way, to celebrate as well as to talk about this evening. So now let me turn Machiavelli to his text, to "The Prince." As I'm sure you know, there's a pivotal chapter in this book. It's a book of 26 chapters. The last being this formal rhetorical exhotartio to the Medici, to restore Italian unity. But the previous 25 chapters being this analysis of how to gain and hold par. The pivotal chapter, I think, is chapter 15 in which Machiavelli declares that his aim in writing the book is to offer practical advice about statecraft. And his basic aim, he says, at the end of the book-- this is chapter 24-- to offer advice to new princes. He's not interested in established princes. If you've inherited your principality and you can't hold onto it, then you're too incompetent to be worth thinking about. He's only interested in new princes, who have the greatest difficulty. And the aspirations, as he nicely puts it, is to make new princes look like well established ones. That's the practical aim of the advice. Now, he discusses rulers of antiquity and rulers of the present time both as sources of exemplar. Of course, the idea of operating with examples, as much as with arguments, a very typical feature of renaissance rhetorical culture. So as you would expect, no doubt, all the princes, is all the political leaders whom he discusses in antiquity and in his own time are men. And that means that the vocabulary of "The Prince" is quite a heavily gendered vocabulary and not to be anachronistic, I'm going to have to follow it. But let's notice at the outset that not all the rulers whom Machiavelli discusses were, in fact, men. One whom he mentions with great admiration both in "The Prince" and later, in "The Discourses," is a woman, Caterina Sforza. And as we shall see, everything that he has to say about the requisite qualities for political leadership would apply to women rulers as much as to male rulers. Now, there is one indispensable quality, or rather, set of qualities that any political leader, man or woman, any political leader must possess-- according to Machiavelli-- if they are to succeed in their leadership. And this is the quality which, in the Italian is called virtu. Now, this word la virtu-- it's the same in the plural, [ITALIAN]-- echoes throughout the book. It occurs once in Latin. As perhaps you know, of course, the book is in Italian. But the chapter headings of this book are in Latin. And chapter six has the Latin form, virtus. That's the only occurrence of it in Latin in the whole text. But for those who like precision, the word virtu-- either in the singular or the plural-- occurs 60 times in this extremely short book. So that's an average of getting on for once per page. It's absolutely pivotal to the argument of most of the chapters, this notion of princely virtu. And so corresponding it, seems to me-- the pivotal task of the interpreter of this book-- is to understand what he meant when he used that crucial term. Now, Machiavelli never supplies a formal definition. And that's not his way. He's not Hobbes as it were. And it's true to say, that he uses the term virtu in a quite wide variety of contexts. So wide that it's become quite standard to say-- in the critical literature, I quote, for example, Whitfield-- "That he uses the word without any consistency at all." Now, this first point I want to make is that I really don't agree with that. It seems to me that this term-- pivotal to the argument-- is used with complete consistency. It is applied throughout this brief book as the name of a set of qualities which Machiavelli wants to say several things about. I think I'm going to turn out to make four closely connected points here about how this terminology is, in fact, used. First, la virtu, virtu is said to be the name of the quality-- or rather, it's always a set of qualities-- by means of which it is possible for a political leader at least, in part, to control, and hence to offset the power of Fortuna. As he calls it, the power luck-- good luck or ill luck-- in political affairs. I should say-- this I'm sure you know-- Machiavelli believes that you can never get rid of the element of luck in political leadership. So as he frequently implies, show me a successful political leader and I will show you someone who has been extremely lucky. I mean, what if John Smith had not had a heart attack? We would never have heard of Tony Blair. Wow. I mean, these people are fortunate. They're successful only because they're fortunate. But of course, although that there, therefore, cannot be a science of politics. I mean, that would be a grotesque mistake, according to Machiavelli. There couldn't be a science of politics because that would forget the role of luck in politics which is x hypothesi incalculable, but of great importance. Nevertheless, he says it's a great mistake of some ancient thinkers-- and he cites Plutarch-- to suppose that in politics everything is luck. For Machiavelli, much of it is judgment and the relationship between luck and judgment is, really, one of the major themes of the book. Now, the quality that you have to possess if you're going to be able, in any way, to control the role of luck, is virtu. And so one of the oppositions in the book is always between the virtu and the Fortuna. Fortuna, virtu. That comes out most explicitly in chapter 24. This concluding chapter on how the political leaders of Italy have, in his own time, so commonly lost their states, lost their principalities. And Machiavelli says, they blame Fortuna. They say that it's been due to tremendous ill luck. But he says, and I quote-- all these quotations are my own translations, by the way. And my translations are very literal-- "Where one's defenses are based upon one's own virtu, the capacity of ill fortune to take away one's power is limited. So although they blame what they regard as their ill luck, they ought not to do so." Why not? Because in fact, they're lacking in virtu. If they had this quality it would've enabled them to offset, to control to some degree, ill fortune. Now, there's the first claim. The second is a very closely associated claim, which is that the virtu is also the name of the set of qualities which enable you. This is a very useful, I think, American idiom which captures very well what Machiavelli is saying. You can get lucky. It's possible to get lucky. You shouldn't think of Fortuna as the same as providence. It's not inexorable. It's possible, in certain ways, to ally with and to control fortune. And if you ask, well, by what means is it possible? The answer is, again, the virtu. And this is the point that's brought out in chapter six, which is in opposition to chapter seven, where the first discusses how you can seize and hold power by this quality of virtus. And the second discusses how you can do the same by means of fortune. So now these two quantities are being put in opposition in the organization of the first part of the book. Now, in chapter six, Machiavelli introduces another notion here which is connected with fortune. He says, sometimes-- I'm quoting-- "You may have the good fortune to encounter the right occaision." The Italian word is occasione. The right-- we would have to say-- moment of opportunity to act. And he says, if you're not blessed with having the right opportunity to act, if you don't have that kind of fortune-- and that is a piece of good luck, having occasione, having the right moment to act-- then you're never going to succeed as a political leader at all. So to that degree, fortune is inexorable and present. But what it is to be a leader of virtu is to seize opportunities. That's the quality that enables you to seize opportunities. So in chapter six, he follows this thought out with the discussion of the leaders, the three leaders, whom he regards as having had the greatest virtu in the history of political leadership, Moses, Cyrus, Romulus. Well, Moses, he says, he cheated. Because God told him what to do. So that really doesn't count. His favorite is Romulus. But of all of them, he says, and I quote, "If their lives and actions are examined it will be seen that they received, from Fortuna, nothing but occasione," nothing but the right circumstances in which to act. He agrees, without having had that particular occasion, their virtu would've been expended to no effect. But because they had such great virtu, no opportunity was wasted. And that was what made them successful political leaders. They grasped the opportunity. And the quality that enabled them to do so was virtu. Now, that brings me to the third of these four points I'm trying to make about this concept, which is also brought out in chapter six. Because, he says, political leaders with these qualities-- the virtu-- are always able to seize opportunities, they are, in turn, able-- and now comes a formula which echoes all through the book-- the Italian says [ITALIAN]-- to maintain their state. So virtu is the name of the quality that enables you to maintain your state. Maintain your state, mantenere lo stato, what does that mean? Lo stato is, in Machiavelli, is I think, quite deeply ambiguous. Of course, in modern Italian lo stato just means the state. And that notion is not absent in Machiavelli, I've come to think. But fundamentally, what he means by being able mantenere lo stato, is to maintain your state i.e. as a ruler, as a political leader. That's to say, maintain your standing, your status as a political leader. What you want to avoid is what the French, at this time, were already calling a coup d'etat. That's to say, any strike against the etat, meaning your etat, your state, your condition or standing as a ruler. But if you're going to maintain your position then, obviously, what you've in fact got to maintain is the jurisdictions and territories that have been given into your charge. And that, of course, brings out the other notion of lo stato. That sounds very like the state. And it's true that if you're going to maintain your state, [ITALIAN] stato, you have to maintain the state, lo stato, the institutions, the jurisdictions of the state. And indeed, the very first sentence of the whole book uses this notion of state in-- for the age-- a remarkably abstract way. Because he says, all the states that, there have been, [ITALIAN], all the states there have been, have either been principalities or republics. So notice the notion of a state is something that could be either a principality or a republic. So it's a rather abstract notion of some set of institutions which could take different constitutional forms. So what Machiavelli wants to say, is all right, that's your task. You've got to be able to maintain your state. Avoid a coup d'etat. And the quality that enables you to do that is this quality, la virtu. So he ends chapter six by talking about a not-celebrated prince, but I think, actually, the real hero of the book. And he's called Hiero. So Machiavelli would've noticed that. Chapter six ends by discussing Hiero of Syracuse. And I quote-- "From being an ordinary private citizen he became the sole ruler of Syracuse. It is true that he enjoyed a fine opportunity,"-- occasione-- "but apart from that, his success owed nothing to fortuna. But everything to the fact that he was a man of outstanding virtu. And as a result, although he found it difficult to acquire power, he had no trouble in managing, mantenere lo stato." Why? Because he was about standing virtu. Now, Machiavelli notes in chapter 19 that this point-- which is really the core of the book, how you maintain your state-- could be put another way around. What have you got to be absolutely sure you don't do if you're going to avoid a coup d'etat? If you're going to maintain your state? And he says, there are two things you must avoid like a shoal, he says. I mean, the idea here, of course being you're steering the ship of state. Don't steer it into the shoals. Now, what are these shoals? There are two things that must be avoided at all costs. One is being hated. And the other is being despised. And he illustrates the point in chapter 19 with a brief history of the late emperors of Rome. Antoninus was hated. So he quite soon lost his state. Pertinax and Alexander were despised. So they, quite soon, lost their state. Commodus was hated and despised. So he maintained his state for a very short time. By contrast, neither Marcus Aurelius nor Septimius Severus-- Machiavelli's two favorite political leaders of antiquity-- were ever hated or despised. Although, of course, Severus-- as his name implies-- was very greatly feared. He was feared but not hated. And that is, of course, part of the trick. And as a result, both of them managed without any difficulty-- mantenere lo stato-- to maintain their state. And if you ask why this is so, he says, they both possessed straordinario virtu, extraordinary virtu. Now, it's true that Machiavelli-- throughout this book-- is at least as much concerned with how you can get power as with how you can manage to maintain it, mantenere lo stato. And of course, chapters 1 to 11 are largely about getting power as well as holding onto it. But notice that you can get power in all sorts of ways. You can get power because you may inherit it. I mean, it may be hereditary principality. You could get power because it may be that you're elected into this particular kind of principality. For example, the papacy. It's just happened, hasn't it? That's an elected principality. So that's another way you can come to power. You could also come to power by mere good fortune. The only way that you can maintain power, however-- there's just one way-- is by virtu. Let me turn to the fourth and final point that I think Machiavelli wants to understand about this notion of virtu. But to appreciate this final point, you have to see that we are in the high renaissance here. We're at the beginning of the 16th century. And we are in a scale of political values very foreign to us in a democratic society. And Machiavelli wants to say, this goal-- which is the fundamental goal of princes, being able to mantenere los stato-- is not the main goal of the prince. It's the fundamental one. If you can't manage to hold onto the apparatus of power, then you're over. There's nothing to say to you. But it isn't the goal you should be setting yourself. The goal you should be setting yourself-- and here we have the high renaissance speaking-- is glory, la gloria. What you have to do as a prince is to do great things, grandi cose. You've got to do great things of such a kind as will bring you glory. And so much glory now, that posthumously you attain fame. Fame is posthumous, which is why you must always be polite to historians. Because they are in charge of your fame. But they're not in charge of your glory. That is what you can aspire to. And so it's the figure of the virtuoso who gains glory. This figure of glory that Machiavelli wants you to focus on. Of course, virtuoso now would just mean someone extremely good at playing the violin in public, or the piano or something like that. That would be a virtuouso. But you see the connection. Because when you watch these people in action, they are amazing, aren't they? And you know, they're glorious figures. They bring the house down. Now, this discussion of glory is also very much Machiavelli's theme in chapter 19, when he discusses Severus and Marcus Aurelius. Because he says, both were able not merely to remain in power, but to attain so much glory that they died venerated by all. OK, there it is. As far as I can see, that's to understand this pivotal notion in the book, that if you wish to attain glory, if you wish to maintain your state, if you wish to overcome and control fortuna, the answer in every case, as I say, you need this quality of virtu. So there it is. Well, you might say, well, that's extremely unhelpful. Because what is this quality or this set of qualities? We want a list, don't we? I mean, so far I've just given you the heuristics of it. But you want to know, yeah, but what is this thing, virtu, le virtu, la virtu, what does it? Right. Now, Machiavelli is writing his book in a culture and at a time when there was a considerable literature devoted to exactly that question. And I now want to talk for a moment about this literature and Machiavelli's relationship to it. When I say, a literature of advice book to princes I'm thinking of a number of Italian texts, Latin texts of the last part of the 15th century. Giovanni Pontano writes a book called "De Principe." Bartolome [INAUDIBLE] writes a book called "De Principe." Francesco Patrizi writes a book called [INAUDIBLE], concerning the King. So notice that Machiavelli, "Il Principe," that's gone into the Italian from the Latin. And that was a very important moment in Italian literature. The move from Latin to Italian for a learned treatise like this one is the move made by Machiavelli. But all these writers, "De principe," are writing about the quality that they call virtus. Now, they completely agree with what is said in the next generation by Machiavelli, that virtus is the name of the quality the team that brings you glory. As Pontano says, and I'm translating-- "virtus alone is the source of glory." But these writers also want you to have a list. They want you to have a list of what the quantities are that go to make up the virtus of the prince. And the account is very clear. And they all agree. There's one fundamental quality that you have to have. And it is the political virtue. And it is justice. I quote [INAUDIBLE], "A society will remain firm only if it is governed with justice. If justice is neglected it will die. Justice is the foundation of a prince's perpetual acclaim and glory." To which Pontano adds, quoting Cicero, "I quote again, the essential element injustice consists in [ITALIAN]." That's to say, faith, keeping faith. Meaning keeping your promises. Never breaking your word. "Nothing--" I'm quoting again-- "is more despicable than failing to keep your word." "The watchword--" and here he is quoting Cicero again-- "must be [ITALIAN]." Good faith must always be served, must always be kept. That is actually a maxim of the Roman law that they're citing. But also, it's to be found in Cicero. The foundation of justice is [ITALIAN], keeping your word. [ITALIAN] That must, above all, be upheld. So there's one classical thought, essentially Ciceronian thought. But their classicism is broader than that. And as Peter Stacey-- in a major recent book on the classical origins of renaissance theory of principalities-- brings out we should cite here not just Cicero, but Seneca. Seneca-- the tutor to Nero, bad luck, that was-- wrote two treatises of advice for princes, one of which is called the "De Beneficiis," in which is talking, essentially, about the giving and receiving of benefits, and thus, about the virtue of liberality in princes, generosity, liberality. And so there is one of the two of what he calls the princely virtues. The other princely virtue is the subject of his incomplete treatise which he addressed to Nero, which is called "De Clementia," concerning clemency. Now, what liberality and clemency have in common which makes them, specifically, princely virtues, notice, is that they go beyond justice. Being generous or being liberal is more than being just. Being clement is more than being just. And of course, princes have a prerogative of clemency. They can cancel the law and insert mercy instead. So these are the special features of princely morality. So you could summarize by saying, that the standard classical humanist view current in Machiavelli's society is that there are three princely virtues. And that they are justice and generosity and clemency. Now, if we turn back to what I call the pivot of the book, chapter 15, what we see is that Machiavelli is engaging with exactly this tradition of thought. And he says, and I'm quoting chapter 15-- "I am well aware that many people have written about this subject of princely virtu already." Clear reference to exactly the literature I just cited. And he goes on, "I fear,"-- he doesn't, of course, mean that at all-- "I fear that I may be thought presumptuous. For what I have to say, departs from the precepts offered by these other writers on this subject." And then the Italian says, [ITALIAN]. It departs massively from what these idiot-- these people-- have been saying. And then he proceeds. It's a famous sequence of chapters from chapter 15. The next chapter, chapter 16, is called [ITALIAN], concerning liberality. The next chapter after that is called [ITALIAN], concerning cruelty and clemency. And then chapter 18 is on [ITALIAN], the keeping of your word, the foundation of justice. So having introduced the idea that he's going to depart massively from what is normally said, he alerts you to the literature that he's talking about by singling out these three particular qualities. So the question is what is this massive departure? Because that's to get inside the structure of the book I would submit and to understand the title of this lecture, How Machiavellian was Machiavelli? We need to focus on these chapters. Well, I think, myself, that these chapters could be said to have a kind of essential answer to that question. Which is that all the elements of princely virtue-- as commonly understood in classical and Renaissance humanism-- are treated by Machiavelli purely instrumentally. By which I mean, that the fundamental argument, I think, is that here are these qualities and you should follow them insofar as they're helpful to your basic task. Which you remember is mantenere lo stato. And you should not follow them if they get in the way of that task. So for Machiavelli, the key question in political morality is always framed consequentially. So he's not really interested in the idea of a virtue. That's to say, a quality that's absolutely forbids you to do certain things. For him there is no such quality. Because the consequentialism is such that in respect of any given action, you must always ask, will this action, which is liberal or which is clement, or which is just, help me to maintain my state? If it will, do it. If it won't, don't. And so the princely judgment-- and this is what virtu is-- is judging when that is right. Now, that's, then, applied to each of these virtues. And first, as I said, to the virtue of liberality, the topic of chapter 16. I quote-- and this is how the chapter begins-- "It is very good to be held to be liberal. But remember your basic task, mantenere lo stato. And then, for Machiavelli, the problem is-- I quote again-- "Practicing liberality can lead to your being hated by those whom you will have to tax heavily in order to sustain your reputation as a man of liberality." but don't forget what happens if you're hated. You'll soon lose your state. There's no exceptions to that. So Machiavelli's advice here, in chapter 16, is-- I quote-- "A prudent prince will, therefore, not mind being called miserly. Such miserliness is a vice. But it is one of those vices that enable a prince to rule." What about the second princely virtue, clemency? He starts, again, by affirming even more strongly than in speaking of liberality, I quote-- "Every prince ought to want to be considered to be merciful and not cruel. But remember your basic task, mantenere lo stato." And he adds, "Once you see that, you will recognize clemency can be badly used. [ITALIAN] It can be badly used. He gives the example of Cesare Borgia. I quote-- who was "harsh and cruel. But his harshness and cruelty reformed his principality. It was due to his cruel measures that he succeeded in unifying the Romania, uniting it, bringing it loyalty, bringing at peace. Only by cruelty did he manage mantenere lo stato." What, finally, about chapter 18 on the fundamental virtue of the prince, [ITALIAN], is justice? Now, here I think he wants to make the same point even more forcibly. Which is, of course, keeping your word is a great virtue. But as he says, always keeping your word, you will find-- and a very simple form in the Italian, he says, that it'll [ITALIAN]. It'll turn against you if you always keep your promises. So the question is always, will the keeping of this promise endanger or help to maintain the state? If it'll endanger it, don't keep it. If it will help, then keep it. And this advice, that you should take a completely instrumental view of the virtue of justice, he says, is confirmed by experience. I quote the chapter. "Experience shows that in our times, [ITALIAN], those princes who have done great things, grandi cose, are those who have held the keeping of their word to be of no significance." And the great example, he says, is the Pope. He would have no idea what it was like to keep his promise, but has been very successful. I hope the conclave will keep that in mind. So the basic doctrine is very economically summarized in the title of chapter 18. Now, the title of chapter 18-- is it possible to recapture how shocking this title would have been at the time? Remember [ITALIAN]. That's the watchword for the prince, the watchword for the prince. The title of chapter 18 of Machiavelli's Prince [ITALIAN], how far, [ITALIAN]. How far should you keep your promises? So what's an order, [ITALIAN]? Good faith must always be kept is turned into a question. [ITALIAN], how often? How far? That's, for Machiavelli, the question. And that would have seemed-- as it did-- almost an unbelievable moment of political wickedness. Now, the second thing that Machiavelli wants to say about [ITALIAN] is whether if people really care about [ITALIAN]. And how was it that Pope Alexander VI never kept his promises but was so successful? Well, he says, because he was brilliant at dissembling. And that's what you must become as a prince. And hence, the famous image of the fox. People will gravely object if they conceive that you're someone who doesn't care about promise keeping. So must minimize the extent to which they can see that. Otherwise you're a fool. And of course, the figure of the fool, who thinks that it's in line with reason not keep your promises, who occurs in Hobbes' Leviathan, is clearly the figure of Machiavelli. So don't be a fool, he's saying. You must dissemble as much as you possibly can. And that leads to the summary of Machiavelli's argument. And I'll read it. "It must be understood that a ruler, and especially a new ruler, cannot always act in ways that are considered good, are held to be good." [ITALIAN] "Because in order, mantenere lo stato, he is often forced to act contrary to good faith, contrary to humanity, contrary to clemency, contrary to liberality. He should not depart from the good when that is possible. But he must know how to enter into evil ways when that is necessary, [ITALIAN]." Now, the revolutionary claim is that's the virtuoso prince. That's all a part of the virtu of the prince. And so you end with the thought-- not that I'm going to end with this thought. Because I've come to think this is a crude analysis of Machiavelli. But fundamentally, the thought is that the prince must be someone willing to do evil that good shall come of it. That is, as it were, the basic message of the book. Now, I think that that sort of is the basic message of the book. Or rather, I think that that is definitely what he wants to say about the virtue of justice. But if we turn to the other two crucial princely virtues, liberality and clemency, I've come to be much less clear that that is, actually, what he wants to say. So hence, the title of this talk, How Machiavellian was Machiavelli? In respect to justice, the traditional picture of Machiavelli, namely, he is the person who tells you to do evil that good may come of it if you think that that's the right judgment. That, I think, that goes through. That is the argument about justice. But I don't think that is the argument about either clemency or liberality. I think it's a far more rhetorical argument. And I think it has very deep classical roots. And it gives us a somewhat different Machiavelli. And I would like to end with it. What I think Machiavelli, basically, wants to say about the other two princely virtues is that if the following of what are held to be examples of liberality and clemency have the effect of ruining you, of your losing you your state, then how can they be the name of the virtues? Because notice, he said, that the quality of virtu is the quality that causality brings about success in maintaining your state. But you've just said well, it doesn't. But notice what's underlying this is a phrase that we would still use. These are the qualities, by virtue of which you're able to maintain your state. So there's a question mark against the idea that it makes any sense to say, that was an act of great liberality. But unfortunately, it didn't help you to maintain the state. Do we really understand these virtues? Is what Machiavelli is, I think, saying. So there's something deeply rhetorical going on here. And what exactly is it? Well, the ultimate classical source for what I've come to think is going on in this part of Machiavelli's text is one of the great moralists of antiquity according to the Renaissance, Thucydides. We think of Thucydides as a historian. And of course, he writes the history of the Peloponnesian War. But he was thought of as one of the great realists moralists of antiquity. And there is a crucial passage which resonates through the Renaissance from Thucydides' history, which is the discussion in book three of when civil war broke out in one of the city-states. That's to say, Corcya. Now, I'm not saying that Machiavelli knew this text, although it's very striking. One of the great physiological achievements of the High Renaissance was the first ever Latin translation of Thucydides directed from the Greek into Latin, made by Lorenzo Valla in 1452, but printed as early as 1483 and widely available in print in Italy in the generation just before Machiavelli is writing. He may not have read the book. But this particular discussion was very widely known. So what does Thucydides say in this famous passage? In talking about it I'll use Valla's translation, which I shall, in turn, translate. Just to avoid any anachronisms. What Machiavelli says, is that when the Civil War breaks out, the very first casualty is moral language. Because people will try to seize moral language for their partisan purposes. And I now quote the Valla translation. "As soon as war breaks out, people will begin to excuse merely reckless behavior by re-describing it as courage." [INAUDIBLE] will be called fortitudo. "And they will begin to excuse slackness and slowness to act by calling them instances of honorable cautiousness. And they will begin to re-describe and even to excuse mere ill temper and rage by calling them instances of true manliness." Now, Thucydides says, the opposite can also happen. I quote once more, "As soon as conflict broke out in Corcyra, not only were evil acts excused as instances of virtue, but good actions were denigrated. So modesty came to be re-described and condemned as nothing more than cowardess. And careful and prudent deliberation came to be dismissed as mere lack of decisiveness." Now, Thucydides is writing as a moralist. He is saying, that's what happens under civil war. Moral language corrupts. It's seized by factions. But in later generations, that very powerful moral passage is picked upon by the rhetoricians. We don't know how early. But the earliest rhetorician who picks this up is the greatest in the history of rhetoric, namely, Aristotle in Book One off his "Art of Rhetoric." Now, again, I'm not saying Machiavelli knew this text. But I should add that it was translated in Florence, in the 1470's by George of Trebizon into Latin. Machiavelli is bilingual in Latin. The text is very freely available in Florence at the time. So he may well have known it too. So what happens when Aristotle picks up Thucydides-- he gives all the same examples-- is instead of saying, look, this is a terrible thing that happens morally in circumstances in a civil war. He says, no, here's a good rhetorical trick you can try. You can try re-describing recklessness as courage. So instead of this being presented in moralistic terms, it's presented in rhetorical terms. He's saying, this is something you could try at home. Now, he gives examples of how the virtues could be denigrated. He gives Thucydides examples. But he's much more interested-- as a rhetorician is bound to be-- in how you can manipulate moral language in order to excuse vices. And he not only Thucydides' example, which is-- I'm quoting George of Trebizon now-- "mere ferocity being re-described and indeed commended as courage." The [INAUDIBLE], is called fortus. But then Aristotle adds lots of examples, so far as we know they're his own. Of course, they may have come from some earlier rhetorician. But in the history of rhetoric, we know these as Aristotle's examples of how you could excuse the vices. He says, hmm, you could try re-describing completely simple-minded person as very good natured. You could try re-describing a completely cold and emotionless person as particularly calm and gentle. You could try re-describing someone who is almost always furious as remarkably frank. You could try describing someone who is appallingly arrogant as remarkably dignified. You could try describing someone who is invariably extravagant as extremely generous. These all Aristotle's examples. And they flow into the rhetorical tradition. They're picked up by the greatest of the Roman rhetoricians, Quintilian, who gives it a name, paradiastole, excusing vices by re-describing them by the names of the neighboring virtues. And the examples that Quintilian gives are simply translations of Aristotle's examples. And that understanding of what paradiastole is, namely, excusing vices, the act of excusing vices by re-describing them as virtues then goes into the later rhetorical tradition, the medieval tradition in particular. Because Isidore picks this up in his encyclopedia, quoting Quintilian word for word. And then in the Renaissance, the new revival of rhetoric in the Renaissance. People had mentioned earlier, for example, de figuris. They simply repeat Quintilian all over again. So there's one strand that comes down in the history of rhetorics of that kind. However, however, however, there is another strand. And that goes back to the original Thucydidean position. But if you think about it, you can adapt that to rhetoric as well. And the claim is that the rhetorical trick is not re-describing the vices as virtues. But pointing out that that's what people are doing, because that's what Thucydides is doing. He's pointing out that in circumstances of the Civil War, vices get re-described as virtues. So there's a rhetorical tradition which says, look, that's what paradiastole is. It's not the act of re-description. It's pointing out that this act of re-description is going on, that we're living in stupendously corrupt times, that the virtues and the vices have all got muddled up. And in the Roman tradition, there are a number of texts in which that rival understanding of how to think about paradiastole is picked up. Rutilius Lupus, but above all, the most important text from Roman antiquity and in the Renaissance picks it up. And that is the anonymous "Rhetorica ad Herennium." Now, this is a quite unpretending text. But it was the way that you learned rhetoric at school and at university in the Italian Renaissance. And, indeed, in the English Renaissance. You learned it, first of all, at school in the sixth form. As it was already called the sixth form in any grammar school. It was also called the rhetoric school class, that the sixth form was the rhetoric class. Why? Because you studied rhetoric. What did you study? The ad Herennium. You have to think of a culture that knew this text by heart. And Machiavelli certainly learned his rhetoric from it. And Virginia Cox, in a classic article, showed how the structuring of the whole discussion of the [ITALIAN] and the [ITALIAN] in Machiavelli is taken directly from the ad Herennium. So he knows this text. And this is the text which says, the rhetorical trick is not re-describing the vices as the virtues. It's pointing out that that's going on. And that that's the forensic thing to do. And that shows you that your opponent is a corrupted person. Now what I want to end by noting, is that this is what is going on in these famous chapters of Machiavelli's, chapter 16 and chapter 17. So let me turn back to them and just finish at this point. Chapter 16, de Liberalitate-- "It's desirable"-- Machiavelli begins. I've quoted him already saying this-- "to be held to be generous. However"-- he goes on, I quote-- "if you practice generosity in the way that will enable you to sustain among men of the present time, the name of being a generous man, what you will, in fact, find it is necessary to do is to emit no element of extravagance, [ITALIAN]," the Italian says, "and to such an extent that you will, in the end, consume the entirety of your resources. So Machiavelli is saying, what passes in our society of the present time-- [ITALIAN], as he says-- as the virtue of liberality is, in fact, the vice of extravagance, which is being excused. That's what Machiavelli is pointing out. People go around talking about princes as liberal. But actually, they're describing extravagance. What about the next chapter, when we come to the virtue of clemency? Well, again, Machiavelli says, actually, what I have to point out is that when people get praised for clemency in [ITALIAN], in our times, what is being praised is actually not a virtue but a vice. And he gives two examples. I quote-- "The Florentines, in order to avoid being called cruel, refused to intervene to stop an uprising in Pistoia with the result that the whole town was destroyed. But while the Florentines congratulated themselves on their clemency, they gave a wrong description of their behavior. This was not clemency. This was being [ITALIAN]. This was over indulgence. They could've killed the ringleaders and saved the town. Instead of which, they left the ringleaders and the entire town was killed. How is that clemency? These are corrupt people. That's not clemency. That is just overindulgence. The second example is, again, it's very hard to recapture this. This would've been unbelievably shocking in Machiavelli's time. The second example is Scipio, one all the most revered heroes of the Roman Republic. And revered, above all, for his clemency. Machiavelli says, he wasn't clement at all. He was living in a society in which what he did was corruptly called clemency. But it wasn't actually clemency. Two examples are given. One is he forgave a mutiny. There was promptly another mutiny. So a large number of people were killed who didn't have to be killed. So how is that clement? He says, that's not clement. That's [ITALIAN]. Again, that's just over indulgence. He should've known what military discipline required. And then there wouldn't have been a second mutiny. Second example he gives, one of Scipio's [INAUDIBLE] allowed a city in Calabria to be destroyed. Scipio, to avoid a reputation for cruelty, refused to punish anyone involved in destroying the city. How is that clemency? Machiavelli says, that's not clement. And what he says, is that is an example of [ITALIAN]. That's just someone who is completely lax. They don't care. And that is the celebrated Scipio. He's not clement. He's lax. He's overindulgent. People don't understand the true virtue. So we live in a corrupted society in which people think that what is, in fact, extravagance, is liberality. Now, he says, consider Louis XII. Everyone says, well, what a terrible man. He was extremely parsimonious. Machiavelli says, and I quote, "Yes, as a result of that parsimony, he was able to fight all wars without ever raising taxes. I call that generous. Because it led to no rapacious demands upon the people. And that enabled him to maintain his state." Now the paradox is resolved. This is true virtu. Because it does help you mantenere lo stato. But you have to understand what the true virtue of liberality is. Second example, Cesare Borgia, he was called cruel. But his methods brought peace, stability, good fortune, and prosperity to the Romania. It enabled him-- that's to say-- to maintain his state. So Machiavelli wants to say, his behavior which was cruel at the outset, had all these further consequences which meant that it was far more merciful behavior than the behavior of the Florentines who, to avoid a reputation for cruelty, allowed destruction instead. Now, here I draw to a close. But what I've been trying to say, in these closing minutes, is these closing minutes is that Machiavelli's view about the virtues, the political virtues is, I think, more complicated than has often been allowed. Certainly, he treats them all instrumentally. The question is always will acting in a way that is held to be virtuous help you to maintain your state? Now, in the case of justice, he says, well, sometimes it will. And sometimes it won't. And in fact, not only sometimes. But the Italian says, often, [ITALIAN], you will have to avoid the virtue of justice. But when he turns to the other two princely virtues, it seems to me that the argument is rather different. He says, of course you must only follow those virtues if you think that they will conduce to the maintenance of your state. But he thinks that true liberality always will, and that true clemency always will. It's just that we live in a corrupt society, in which what is called clemency is, in fact, just being overindulgent and facile and lax. And what is called liberality is just sumptuousity and display and extravagance. These are not virtues that will maintain your state. Because they're not virtues at all. The truly understood virtues-- if you get around this re-description that everyone is going in for-- will always help you to maintain your state. So how Machiavellian was Machiavelli? Entirely, I think, in the traditional picture in relation to the virtue of justice. But much more complicatedly in relation to the other two virtues. He still an instrumentalist. He's still a complete consequentialist. He thinks that you should follow them if and only if they will maintain your state. But he thinks, rightly understood, they always will. Thank you very much. [APPLAUSE]
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