How Jerry Stackhouse Influenced Gilbert Arenas, Dirk Nowitzki, Dwayne Wade & LeBron James

[Music] foreign [Music] welcome back to no chill with Gilbert Arenas coming to you from the blue wire Studio here at the wind now I guess today is a certified Legend he was a McDonald's All-American Game MVP in 1993 All-American in North Carolina two-time all-star during his 18-year NBA career now he's the head coach of Vanderbilt Jerry Stackhouse we appreciate it man great to be here man thank you I'll see you mobbing around the win you know last couple days balling out you know I was afraid to come up to you but I know he's gonna do this shows don't start off skin you can't have that no he was one of my favorite hoopers coming up man so I'm so thankful to have you on the show but we're out here NBA Summer League so I just want to know you came in the league in 95 right 96 1995 1995. what was the summer league experience like for you back then in 1995. it was actually pretty weird man because uh we didn't have a summer league team the Sixers didn't put a team you know most teams had the team in but we didn't so I kind of played on an independent team it was out at uh out in Long Beach at the time so it was cool to get out to LA but um I was with a bunch of free agents and we were hooping against other teams and whatnot but it was cool though I was just so excited to um to be in the league and be around that type of you know that type of talent but it was definitely not what it is today man it's unbelievable what um what the NBA has done with the summer league and how it's grown and everybody kind of comes out and it's a reunion you know it's a Brotherhood guys that haven't seen each other in a long time you get to get to visit and um you know talk about the you know the good old days which is you know which we all all had wait 94 95 is that the first year they catch the rookies coming in yes yeah yeah that's it yeah I was on a I was on the first year rookie deal I'm in Grant Hill probably signed for uh at the third pick the year before I think he signed for like 45 meal last time for seven yeah we had to prove ourselves so the the Vets threw us under the bus but uh but it it worked out okay so it just made you made you made you go improve yourself in a little bit a little bit tougher it would have been good but I I was okay I signed a big um Fila ideal and I'm coming in so it kind of kind of offset the fact that I didn't get that that payday right away but you know it made me made me hungry for sure Grant Hill got that a year 45 million dollar deal you got to come in yeah I can only imagine yeah y'all was probably hit it but even with the The Feelers like you know you was one of the first hoopers that actually made us want to go to the store and buy Fila shoes and you know I mean like we was rocking we was rocking your stuff man so I hope you understand even in La just the impact that you had on the game you know it didn't last long but we was rocking them feelings it didn't last too long man I mean they more of a um kind of a casual brand now I mean I think that he was still doing some things I'm still an ambassador with him okay but um but I you know it was cool like you said a lot of guys come up to me and like man you know my mom wouldn't give me the Jordans but I had to stack damn Lily told me that he's like man him and his brother they all came and was like stack we had them Stacks it was good to see those that type of talent and guys that are at the height of the game now still you know remember those those days of wearing those stack stack feelings so you talk about just summer league now and it seems to me and I haven't done a ton of All-Star weekends y'all both have been NBA All-Stars like All-Star Weekend used to be the spot right everybody would come through but the thing about all-star weekend it's not always in a desirable City no disrespect to some of the teams in the league but Vegas seems like that spot in the summer time where now it's literally you know we've been here a couple of days just the amount of people we've seen rolling through the win room do the Encore anybody you want to see any Ledger you want to see any current player you want to see it seems like they all here and they're approachable everybody can reach out and touch each other and like you said kind of like a family reunion everybody can just get back together reminisce about old times and just hang out yeah I mean definitely I mean I see you know young guys who are you know are the future of the league um old guys who Legends who you know all who started this thing you know we wouldn't be able to I mean obviously you know we made you know we played we made a ton of money that those guys didn't make it now these guys are making you know unbelievable amounts of money that's you know and that's just shows the growth of the game but you know none of that really matters when it comes to just being around being around greatness you know the the old greatness that that have come in and set the table and the the young greatness that's about to take off and do the things that they're going to do man and like I said it's um you know I don't even and I'm not great with faces or names right so I'm glad I just you know when I make eye contact of them they see me and I and that's how it works man so you so the triggers you got to have somebody else with you you got to you know have a little little crew and then you just introduce them to one of your homies first people ask my homie whatever then they say that oh yeah you know so bad I come in this like um I dab somebody up and I walk off and I say what's up man congrats whatever and then I'll be like uh who was that yeah listen right now that's most of us good job good job man good job keep doing it uh somebody has become its own thing right I mean you know we played the pyramid so that was his own thing too right right that's L.A but uh LBC yeah Vegas seems like a lot more ex-players come back and just hang because it's you know summertime Vibe Vegas um you know I mean I think it's just it's a great networking opportunity for you know a lot of turnover a lot of changes in different places and you get around be able to kind of you know come and talk to different you know coaches GMS and it's a great Haven for for that as well at all levels not just the pro level but college level high school I mean I've you know I've I've made some hires for for my staff from from summer league as well so it's just so it's um you know it's not all it doesn't always work out that way but I I think it's a it's a good platform just the energy that you feel about the game of basketball I think you know Warren you know he did a great job he had a great vision and then the league has kind of come in and and enhanced it even more but but it's still still about the players and still about the um the guys so you're always out here on the recruiting Trail like you just never know yeah I had to you know grab a guy bring them on that stuff you know what I'm saying come on come on SO during your time in the league that you're one of the most feared and most respected Hooper so was there ever a time during the game when you could just see that fear in somebody's eyes you know you were just about to cook them well no I mean I I was just wanted to attack man that was my game attacking getting into the paint I became a better shooter um you know as I you know kind of grew in the league and when I got the Reps I always tell guys all the time you're going to become a better shooter the more reps you get you know the outlier says like 10 000 hours right and I think it's like 10 000 reps um and a lot of these guys coming in high school and in college that they probably had like 2 000 reps 3 000 reps so it's like you got 7 000 reps before you really hone your skill and I think that was you know for me I was known for my first step being able to get downhill you know going and trying to dunk on somebody being a big guard I was really like a power forward all the way in college and I was drafted as a shooting guard but I was a power forward I mean Rasheed was centered I was power forward you know Calabria was at the three Donna Williams at the two Jeff McInnis at the one um but man it's once I got to the to the league I had to learn the two guards by him and I was coming off of screens getting killed you know what I'm saying but but what I could do was compete and then I think that no matter what um I was gonna I was competing so that's why as far as like fear and all of those things I never had any fear of anybody that I I played against because I know that I was you probably had a better crossover I couldn't handle the ball like Gilbert I couldn't shoot it like Ray Allen but I could I I could compete and I think that was that was big I remember 95 being out there Seattle for the final four seeing that Squad but what do you remember from just those UNC days you listed that whole crew playing with Sheed and that whole cast of characters you know Jeff McGinnis even who was a legend as well yeah just dudes that you know we were La guys my brother played at UCLA but we we rocked with y'all we love the uniforms we love the crook the gear like we were just rolling with y'all no I mean it was it was crazy like coming in everyone recruiting going to North Carolina everybody was telling me I shouldn't go there right um Dean Smith was the only one to hold Michael Jordan to 20 points I heard all these type of things you could come here and you do this and do that so it just made me want want to play for him even more you know I wanted to prove all those guys wrong you're not going to start there you're going you're not going to play this and that race he's gonna play the older guys and I wanted to just come in and improve that I I was different and um and it was tough because you know I I went to kind of went there under the you know the impression like that they hadn't won since 1982 so I wanted to be the team to get them over the hump sorry when I committed to North Carolina that was my intention and lo and behold they wanted that year they wanted in 93 so we were coming in Rasheed or Jeff we were coming into a team that just was coming off a national championship so um you know it was it was pretty intense man like we were we were going at it you know we we were some Brash young guys coming in and and wanted to to get our shine right away but we're you know we were like Brian Reese Derek Phelps Eric Montreal so you know those guys had had just done it so it was a little bit of a clash there we almost had too much you can have too much sometimes and I think that that was uh that was kind of the case with that team man we felt like you know I was averaging like 12 points in 18 minutes and I was like man what if I was getting 25 or 30 you know and Coach Smith was um now but it all comes back full circle like all of the headache I gave coach Smith in his office telling him I feel like I could get I should get more minutes and he telling me you know Stackhouse you should you and Brian Reese should try to be the best small forward in the country together and my Armory ass is saying I can be the best small forward in the country by myself so it's like uh now when I get you know young guys in my office and I kind of you know pleased with their time in their minutes it's like it's coming back full circle that's calmer for for me talking to a legend trying to tell him how to run his team but ultimately man I was you know I was ready to ready to leave you know like all these kids I was transferred I feel like I could do something I'm seeing Joe Smith win you know you know weekly honors a rookie of the week and all this I'm like I could be doing this if I was you know playing elsewhere but you know it was a key moment man my mom I was there I was just venting to her like man this ain't for me I'm ready to go I'm in the second I can go somewhere else I'm leaving and she just heard me out and she basically just told me if you start running now you're gonna run the rest of your life and I and that was and I just kind of I was like I pouted for a little bit but I stayed there and I sucked it up two weeks later most valuable player at ACC tournament so I was like okay listen to your mama she know what to do how do you how do you deal with because you went through it right how do you deal with it when that that kid has that that same energy like yo I think I could be doing more do you go back and you you pull the Dean Smith and like just wait your turn or do you actually give them the shot to see nah man those kids ain't doing what I was doing things you won't go watch this film you know show what you I can I can she'll point out exactly what you're not doing right in the way but but no I just I think it's one of those things where again um it's just about I've been I walked in your shoes I've done this and I think that's you know that's that's my message that's my cell or or in recruiting that you know no matter what you've done at this level I've done it at you know a pretty high level like you know I was the number one number two player coming out of high school I was McDonald's All-American I was like you said MVP of the McDonald's All-American Game I was uh of ACC you know Rookie of the Year first team I've done all these things that you want to do so um so and it's almost a beauty for me because I have their eyes and their ears and and and and I can kind of head a lot of that off I can kind of sense the right type of guys I want to bring the right type of guys in to be a part of what we're trying to do you know at Vanderbilt and but even at when I was in the pros coaching the Raptors I still had those guys here they respected the fact that I found a way to have longevity to play 18 years in the NBA and that's what these guys want so um to you know I'm just thankful that I have that type of cachet to where you know that they really have an open eyes and open ears to to what we're trying to teach them and sell them so we talk about this a lot it seems like you know as time goes on people forget about players like yourself people forget about players like this younger generation doesn't necessarily have a love and appreciation for the history of the game so do you find that at all like you got to explain to guys who you are are they still familiar with your game and your resume yeah I mean I think the good thing about it is like you can Google me right right so and it's like even the the younger ones like uh you know because I was in Grassroots I mean that's kind of when I finished playing I did some broadcasting things I worked with NBA TV but I just you know all of those things it was close to the game it wasn't as close to the game as I like to be being out on the floor so um you know through my my son I had a eighth grade son I started an AAU program and I got you know some really talented guys Brandon Ingram was one of the kids that was on my team um so it was just you know from that I liked it the teaching aspect of it you know so I think that was that was that was key for me making sure that I was teaching and and and and that's where I started so I mean I love the Grassroots part of it more so than anything else so what was it like for you coaching a young Brandon Ingram and were you salty at all when he picked Duke over North Carolina no no I really was man he always loved Duke you know I'm saying it was just like I mean everybody thought it was kind of a shoe I mean but North Carolina was going through some things um at that time with you know some academic things so and they could possibly been on um probation so I mean I wasn't really pushing for that but I never do that with any of my kids because I want them to um you know I didn't want to come back to me you know I'm saying all right you told me to do this and it didn't work out right and and you know he he kind of kept it kept it you know hit hit it from me a little bit you know that he that he liked Duke and he always did he had a Duke jersey when he was a little boy and so it was always kind of just um passion to to do that but I told Jeff Capel you know because I I kind of got turned off with Duke I was I love Duke coming out too I mean I was always up there um Grant Hill and I was really close and one day we were out there just playing pickup ball and Coach Kate called me in to to his office I was just like whatever you know and then it was just like it kind of gave me an ultimatum what I needed to to decide whether I was going to come or he was going to recruit Joy beard again being the Armory 17 18 year old I was like well just go recruit Georgia right and you see how that turned out but so I told Jeff cable man don't do this with this kid I know that he likes dookie I think he got a great chance of him coming there but don't give him no ultimatum let him you know kind of choose and select on his own time and he did Dairy was there he was one and done and kind of the rest is history but that's just kind of the events I could have really like I said without that day and and Coach K office I could have very well you know went to Duke I really liked the vibe Grant and I was really really close um and um he was recruiting me but that just kind of turned me off that day and uh you know but it was but my mom she loved Dean Smith like I remember the story with you know Steve Smith was coming in earlier that morning you know on home visit she had like some donuts and coffee and probably about one o'clock when coach Smith was coming in she was in there frying pork chops and cooking and all this type of stuff so you know even though she never tried to you know tell me where to go I could tell through that little shuttle yeah yeah she is green this guy get the donuts this guy get the pork chops she like the guy that's getting the pork chops yeah and looking at Brandon Ingram when did you look at him and say all right this kid's gonna be a pro he's going to be able to play at a high level in the league man I I just he was he could just really shoot the basketball I mean I think that was his dad was a great shoot his dad was you know one of the older guys that I played against when um I was coming up he was those those older guys that kind of beat up on you and whatnot so you know Donald Ingram and um you know we used to play across you know three on three tournaments across the city who had summer leagues and stuff that I played against those guys and it was just Donald called me one day it's like man I kind of you know taking him to to where I'm can take him I want you to help him you know take that next step and I was you know I just was really really a you know honored that you know that he did that especially with with this kid I mean he was skinny you know what I'm saying but and he was kind of quiet he didn't even really want to come like his dad made him come like he wanted to he was just a homebody on the stage and played with his local team his dad knew that he would get this you know more exposure playing on on on Adidas circuit and he was like whether you want to go or not you're going so it's like so that's how how that happens and then he got with the guys and um you know just you know became who he is man but his talent he always oozed the talent just I was I was probably playing him out of position just because he was so long I was playing him at more of a wing I didn't play him as like a power forward a center or nothing like that but I had him at a wing but I probably should have had him at the point guard I mean the kid just handled the ball so well made all the right decisions um as he's got as he grew in the program but we had point guards you know I'm saying smaller guys that I had to try to put the ball in their hands but no I was I I definitely didn't um utilize him at his best strengths because he was because he was six nine but he could handle the ball like a guard so when you look around the NBA today which player in the league playing currently reminds you the most of yourself no that's that's the tough one man yeah you know because the games changed yeah we were talking about it before and it was like yes that's that's a yeah I mean just guys that just want to you know kind of attack and and get down there I know I probably as as it's going to probably think about something because I'm gonna come to me but um the way you know the way Brandon gets to his right hand is you know what I'm saying when he's getting downhill he reminds me but but like I said I couldn't handle the ball like him and playing pick and roll and do all those things and and have the vision that he had I had those things more toward the end of my career you know I'm saying understanding how to um you know make reads in the pick and roll but just naturally having that feel and that rhythm of handling the ball like that um no he was you know he's special with that and that's what that's that's why he is who he is and he took the iso I mean but when did they start taking the ISO game out about yeah I mean when MJ left when MJ left the game changed you know they was letting guys play zone you never had any of that when MJ um played as soon as he retired man guys was coming over able to stand on the other side of the lane and all that up and it was it was crazy but um no but it's just you find a way to adjust um or when I when I first played with Bill I was coming off of a little little knee surgery so I felt like I was I played on one leg both said yes I you know I learned you know to post up more and do those you know different type of things it's just just adjusting to to what you have to do to uh to be effective and I think that's that's what I tell these guys all the time man you got to reinvent yourself sometimes you know I think that um yeah I came in as a highly touted you know rookie you know made the All-Star team did all these type of things and then there come a point in the world when I went to Dallas they asked me to become a six-man you know and everybody's like you know they was you know how is he gonna handle this but you know it was easy because of how how Donnie did it I mean Don Nelson came like stacked you know whether it was uh a sale or what he's like I got six starters you know but I can't start with five so you know so I need need you to come off the bench you're still going to play starter minutes and you're still going to be there at the end of the game Cool coach that's whatever and I got us I got probably a bigger Ovation coming in off the bench as I did if I would have if I was starting so it's just like man it's just being able to present things and I think just from that um from that moment right there that taught me a lot you know especially with dealing with my own players it's not necessarily um what you want them to do it's how you present to them what you want them to do um is it makes the biggest difference and I think that was a huge huge um thing that happened for me while I was in Dallas that that still you know helps me to this day you know dealing with um this this new generation of players yeah yeah trust me I was always coaching a little bit too and you have to sit there and you want to say something hold on let me let me think about how I'm going to say it first and then you know lay it to him because you know they're really sensitive these days right and you know it's like y'all to toughen up a little bit more because them dogs come here the higher you want to go you know that mentality changes so you're gonna have to like King baby forever yeah it's just different man I think it's the um you know we I I hated everybody like I mean really I mean like you were on the other team I did not like you right you was like I mean we I didn't even like my my teammates I didn't want them hobnobbing with the other team you know before the game or none of that man they they're trying to beat you they're trying to take your job he had if he could right now um do something and and and take your contract right now as he would so you got to have that type of mentality but it's just a different generation now this this generation Z you know they you know they they play together they spend a lot of time together it's just just a different vibe I don't think there's anything wrong with it I mean they're the smartest generation that we had because with the you know all of the social platforms and in the mobile devices they get a lot a ton of information that we didn't have so they are the smartest generation but they're not street smart and they're not they don't have all of the the common sense is that that you need to be effective and I think that's why they still have value from from older guys like myself like Guild and that played in in the era before so we talk about this a little bit it seems like when we were coming up everything was Regional right we all played for teams that were that were local our city our neighborhood you may you know I remember uh I was telling somebody I saw I grew up in the K-Swiss program so Baron Davis was on older team Paul Pierce was on older team we used to come to Vegas for the Easter Classic uh okay they brought kg in but that was like the first time I'd ever really seen a dude come from another city and come ball with it with our La team like we were obviously very territorial but now it seems like guys have those relationships because they spend so much time eybl circuit the different Au circus teams are getting composed and comprised of players from all over the country so are you a fan of that type of stuff just in terms of the quality of basketball and the level of the game but also on the other side seemed like everybody's buddies now so they all rock with each other so from a competitive standpoint do you feel like it impacts that as well yeah I want them to compete right but it is a different vibe man just uh you know with the border states now you know when it comes to Grassroots basketball you got guys that play together from different states and I think that's cool um but I just think that this um you just want to still compete I mean I think that's what it comes down to to showcasing you know my skills and my talents against against yours I mean it can you know if you it can become very lucrative for you it can be it can change the the whole trajectory of your family and your in in your next Generations you know just from how you present like say everybody there's only only 60 players are going to get drafted right right and you know what is 450 players in in the league you know it's not going to be 510 this year it's still going to be 450 so 60 players are going every year yeah I mean do you think about it like it's not that I mean it's great that they got two-way contracts that offer a few more opportunities for some guys now um per team so that's great but man you gotta realize that and you don't see them they're just gone right they're just going to 60 guys that's just gone from from this league every year so I mean when you think about you know I was again I'm fortunate I played almost 20 years in the league again re Reinventing myself and understanding that it was cool to to be the sixth man it was cool to go to to Brooklyn and and you know say that I was going to be like a player coach but in my mind I knew I was going to come out there and compete for some minutes and then I did and I played in my last year but um but no I I said all the right things it's hid all the right things in order to to get get in the door that last year and then when I get in there it's like okay I'm this boy ain't no way he's playing in front of me he don't know enough yeah right but this is and enough still was I meant it to him making sure that I show them different things and and and that's and that's part of it making sure that we we give back Each one teach one give back to I never was threatened by any of these young guys when Giver came because I wasn't threatened by by any of those guys I want to show them and teach them because I didn't have that as a rookie when I came into Philadelphia you know I had guys that would let me run in the screens because they didn't want to show me anything because they thought that they were going to get a few more minutes because man I was the number one number three pick in the draft I'm gonna get my Ministry I'm not the guy to do that um and I promised myself that I would never be that guy and I would always try to try to have the only guy that really you know really took me in you know under his wing and kind of show me some things was was Vernon Maxwell crazy B was like I mean I was getting ready come here come here let me show you how to change the Chase's screen you get your hand on this outside hit him as soon as he come off that stream you push his ass up there and get him through whatever man that was the best thing that he could have ever taught me man I was I was great at chasing screens from just that one little sort of thing that he showed me that's why I got so much love for that dude today you can call me right now and like that guy you know whatever need a little something man boom it's done because it's just that helped me become a player in this league just from that little Nuance that he taught me that day do you think um like some of the uh competition of us went down because they play so much like you know back in the day when if I lost to you I probably won't see your team for another two months which made us grind like it hurt so much that it made like all right okay he did this to me and I'm gonna train for the next two months before I have to see you again now this big tournaments every weekend so a lot you with my ass I go when I go when uh I'm gonna be in the war next week and it just seems like that uh when the AAU level is like there's so many tournaments every weekend that there's no I lose yeah I don't care there's no real passion about the loss anymore yeah I think there's still some guys that get it okay and I think that there's some you know programs that get it and teach it and do it the right way um and like I said I just I I hate to be that you know that old guy that the game has changed so much I still love the game of basketball play and play now in the playoffs I thought were great this year I mean even you know you know the bubble all of that I mean it was just I I enjoy basketball it's different right I don't I don't like to say that any error a particular era or any particular mentality is so much different or better than the others just it's just different and we gotta gotta accept it and and adjust accordingly so looking towards the latter stage of your career you Embrace more of that Mentor role if you remember any guys that were super receptive and like who are some of those players that came to you and really looked at you to be that Mentor Forum coming into the league man I had a I mean a ton of guys I mean when I was um [ __ ] when I went to Dallas you know like you know Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels you know Devin Harris um you know and then I you know you know went to you know different teams I mean I was like mentored too um Dwyane Wade and and and and LeBron James in in my in Miami when when um UD got hurt then they had to bring in another big and I was the last guy that was you know brought into the team so they released me and and signed Eric damp here but you know it's it's great when I mean I hear Dwyane Wade talking he's talking about how I show them things in the post-up you know just you know from from as a big guard and little things I didn't have an impact you know when I see LeBron now and he comes in and gives me the biggest hug you know I'm saying just for you know sitting those guys in the um because it was it wasn't just peaches and cream with those guys when they first got together I mean there was a little bit of you know something in the air right and I was just like man you know you know making sure man y'all y'all make sure that y'all in this hot tub you know you know every you know after this game you know you know talking to him been in keeping this same type of vibe and just those little you know things that I shared with those guys man they still come up and and they're thankful and grateful for for those just little words of encouragement so and I think that's you know so I it makes me feel good I mean everybody you know just to to know that the little things I mean I didn't even I didn't even finish the year with them but those few couple months there has some value and some um you know gave them some perspective to what they needed to do to be successful man don't leave me out God damn it [ __ ] okay you're crazy man what I'm saying is like yo my post up he had so much [ __ ] man I didn't have to give him much man that's what I said like people didn't realize like I shot the three and got to the Lane but right after you left is when my game turned because I was using the things that you were doing like I'm watching pick up oh oh he backed them up how you do that you just hey just grab right here put your leg out he got it he got up respect he got it back up like all right go ahead turn that in down I was getting late with that [ __ ] all through the playoffs I would get one offensive foul you know I'm saying again it was like I was going to average three turnovers anyway so one more way don't matter what but I'm gonna back you up you know what I'm saying and then if I back you up that first time and I had to worry about it you were gonna give me the space that I needed to be again like I said there's a number of guys from from those teams that I played with uh Mateen Cleaves I mean I hear him tell his stories back when we were in Detroit just again you know it's like man stack happy man I couldn't even talk to my friends on the team because I'm like man ain't no hobnobbing right here trying to kick our ass we're not going to hob-knob with these guys man you talk to them after the game but um but no but I think they they they they respected that and understand that that it's just part of being competitive again like if they were on our side now things change right but you're not on our side right now you're trying to beat us if you had an opportunity to embarrass us you would if it came to the uh right now if they had to between the side between me and you and you had to push me off the cliff to get this contract you would do it so that's just the mentality that I had to always try to protect mine and protect and I was I was you know I hate it because because I scored the basketball that I was you know you know sometimes perceived as selfish or whatnot and then all great scores get that you know kind of you know whether it was Michael Jordan any great scorer now you know KD or any anybody they get that that type of narrative sometimes from the tractors but for me it was just about my team team I wanted my team to win I wanted us to be successful more so than I wanted the other team to be and that's that's the that's the worst um narrative that's going like you're a ball hog right and it's like you you ain't been out of practice in nowhere you ain't coming to all the places there's a reason that I got that I get to shoot all the time we work out together we didn't practice together there's a reason we're passing your teammates as much as I say cool cool we will all be getting Max contracts if it was like that all right just let me keep doing what I'm doing yeah they got their roles there's the reason they got big roles God damn it [ __ ] I'm very excited about today's sponsor bird dogs look and feel your best just like me with their amazing line of shorts tired of the same old khaki shorts bird dog has got you covered the anti-stink sweat wicking fabric breathes 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called no chill so you can share with everybody when I had to come and get him from the police station that one night from him driving around in the car with no uh that was a real thing man I've been getting troll with that man oh that's a real dude one of those um what does the one with the one wheel thing you ride the little motorcycle T-Rex yeah T-Rex he came to DC with a T-Rex and didn't put no tags on it and tried to riding around and they was like okay and then they took his ass to jail one night and then I had to go talk to the police like man I'm gonna get it I promise you I'm gonna get him some tags tomorrow it wasn't even nothing about basketball I begin was lying I'm just checking outside the bill you and I think man I remember going to jail it was like because of tags I'm like yeah how does that break down is you using that one phone call to call stack how do you end up having to go down I saw him get him yeah yeah and then there was like so I've you know followed them to him to to get there again luckily talk to the right guys and whatnot it was before I got booked yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so we were able to get him out of that but no that but no I just but I think you don't remember because I didn't I didn't have to hit the hand I mean I didn't have to do that 60 million now okay they gave him 60 million dollars for the first time after being on some [Music] um but no but I just think from you know watching him shoot the basketball man um I was like it was it was special to watch I mean handling the ball did the drills he done I remember he done working them and doing those between the ball drills and getting to his stuff so it wasn't no surprise to me that he had the success that that he did I was just I was just in the in a different different space mentally there I mean I was coming from Detroit where we were you know getting to the Conference Finals and you know of trying to you know make it make it to the Conference Finals and now you know we worked out these years to get to the playoffs and now I get traded to a team that's talking about making the playoffs right so I just my my mindset was was there and then my I had had a knee I had to get a my knee cleaned up there when I was coming back I was playing on one leg they was trying to get me to come back too early you know then then I was ready to ready to and from that fortunately I was able to to get to Dallas more of a you know a better situation I mean and allow those guys to grow I mean Antoine came there um in that trade I think Ron Butler those guys that they had a good core but it was better for me to be around a more established team that had been to the playoffs and and was doing some things there nothing nothing against that organization but I just I never embraced been been in Washington just from kind of being a little dejected from being in Detroit like I said after I leave Detroit they get chance to see Billups and yeah get a gift of Rasheed Wallace and go on to win and the championship you know what I'm saying obviously I'm not going to take nothing away from rip rip rip is a great player but I don't think nothing changes there from you know our roles within that team of being the leading scorer on that team but Rasheed Wallace [ __ ] that's that's what changed it for Bobby Sarah was just the just a gift you know I'm saying so that's just um so that was tough it was tough tough you know at pouring in my you know my time to kind of be injured watching this whole new um Team talk about making the playoffs for the first time in however long and then watching the team that I just left you know go off and and win a championship yeah you so you was in there the year before I got there were y'all talking about making the playoffs and then when I got there it was like rebuilding yes right and um you know Eddie Eddie Jordan you know he coming in with the the Princeton offense man it takes two years to even learn that [ __ ] I ain't got two years to to give man I'm I'm in geared 10 that I'm there right now so I so it was just it was it worked out I mean I had a great report I did it the right way I didn't go out you know in the paper saying I didn't want to be here uh I went and had a conversation with Ernie um grunfield at the time and told him that I just felt that it would be better for me to be in in a more of a uh situation you know with a playoff team and he made it happen for me so I just think that that's that's about it's business man the how you approach the business and and good things happen you change listen you changed I use it listen I use it to troll my my teammate right you know I use it so because she was hurt you wasn't really around like that right so when you know all the bickering was going on with the young kids right trying to figure out whose team it was and it was really some like because we knew who team it would have been if I had been yeah but then we were being like that is my thing so it was like some real uncleaned air right and that I love I love when I get to use it online with them and when we was in that when we had that locker room meeting about whose ball it was and you came in and shut all that [ __ ] down I don't know if you noticed though my whole [ __ ] changed you know we sitting in all the big man want the ball I hate passing all of these goddamn bigs man and you came in there it's like hey man listen I told you you ain't getting the ball if you have a seven last year you're gonna average nine inches you ain't gonna jump from seven to twenty that's not what you're gonna do right I'm just looking oh he ain't gonna do nothing oh [ __ ] never and from there like you know how you just look for [ __ ] right yeah that's the truth though man it's like you just don't see the Jimmy Butler model that back then right Jimmy Butler average what four points and all of a sudden he's you know over a few years he averaged 25 most of the guys at least average 10 of 12 and then they make a jump to the 20 you just don't have guys that average single digit numbers and so it was just like when I was coming in there talking that and like I said this will tell everything you know that stuff was never supposed to leave here I didn't want to listen I didn't want to but he kept poking and I like man hold on you got pumped in the locker room man God damn man but no for real it really changed the mindset because if you the alpha the team right we go how you go right so when you say nah you don't do that oh he smoked oh [ __ ] hey I'm putting my shoes on do what you do man yeah I saw somebody sent me that man it's like is this true I'm like oh man this damn girl at it again about the stats so you really did Blake you didn't give me my money man right we all like we all looking for inches and stuff so like like that was the change yet because you it's like you personally said it for me you personally gave me like this this you you the leader and you didn't give it me the leader you just didn't give it to someone that I'm trying to figure out me Larry and you like yo this is like oh while he's out he's basically saying I can be in charge cool all right okay is Jerry play today no cool all right you know but it was it was it was like they brought you there to do man they brought you there again like I said this that's a pecking order when you get um and I think it started about that time you you get paid accordingly there's slides this thing is slotted in this league you know in the NBA you know this is a hierarchy here and when they pay you a certain way and and they did I mean they paid you to be the highest paid player they didn't pay you to come there to be a pastor right I mean there's a there's a passive slot you wasn't in the pastor slot you were coming there to be Gilbert Arenas yeah and that's ultimately what you did that's how agency Rose is what it is man and some guys just have to I mean like I said I got love for Kwame I mean I hate that y'all even have that you know that confrontation or whatever it is man text each other every day we're good yeah because this is it's what it's about it's about a Brotherhood it's about us you know you know we did a lot of things in between those lines that a lot of people in this world never get an opportunity to do so I'm glad to hear that stuff we might need you to mediate that I feel like you're the only you're the only one and I've been thinking about this for a while who who is big enough to mediate this situation you might be the only one together it's it's funny because you know I didn't know there was hatred between us but it ain't no hatred right it's just it was just a time where I became a star he didn't and I think he just it was just in the back of his mind and then when he started you know going off and um he just said oh Gil's right there too let me go ahead and throw that there right but we talk every day okay everybody we're talking just like we're still teaming in the locker room [ __ ] right and we just sit and we 20 20 you know 19 coming in the league together and he's probably the the only person I probably talk to every day like you see you throw something I'll throw something back and then from there we just bickering for the whole day we just bickering a hole the whole day it's the first time he he got time man but now that that dude man yeah different dude man that big old country boy that's something else now you were telling me I was like I remember we were in a club one day and I don't know guy kind of got kind of sideways and something said I'm like oh stack what's wrong what's wrong Oh Daddy here Daddy here you know what I'm saying hey ain't nobody doing nothing now that big old country boy right there y'all y'all better be ready when y'all messing with him so I'm gonna leave him alone I think I I might could get him but I ain't trying now I'm a little older now so you talked about uh loving Grant Hill back when he was in college thinking about going to Duke you guys actually got the chance to play together with the Pistons for a couple of Seasons probably one of the scariest Duos in the league at that point they got both Rocking The Feelers at that point too which it was it was a great moment in field of History like I know they were cooking they thought this guy was the limit but I want to know what made Grant Hill's game so special and do you feel like that you got split up too early and if you would have stuck together a little bit longer you could have did some amazing things oh absolutely man um grant grant was special just because he was a point guard I mean he could handle the ball so well I mean it's just um you know Lindsay was you know kind of slotted in as the point guard but you know he played off the ball because he could shoot the ball and you know you know Grant you know he we were on both Wings if we hit up the the wing we had bigs that were taught to kind of come back and flow so we could slice into the to the post you know not only the only only thing that was um the issue with us was you know MJ and Scotty you know what I'm saying it was just that we were together during that time doing that Heyday when they were you know the best in the business and it was just hard to to get over that hump with the with those guys and um you know and then like I said it did you know look premature when he you know up and left to go to Orlando which um you know it was tough it kind of set us set us back I thought we were really you know we both made All-Star team we were both on our way and then you know I think you know we had some things with his with his wife some some opportunities there with Sony down in Orlando I just think he had to look at it you know differently and um but I got this I got the chance to shoot up all the balls for for a year you know I'm saying it wasn't the best team but at the same time I was um that's that's what I was asked to do the coach needed me to put up that thing 24 times a game you know and uh until we till we had some some put some more pieces around us the next year when um you know Rick Carlisle got there and you know he asked me to you know be more of a facilitator I went from you know 29 Points a game to 23 points a game but we went from 32 and 50 to 50 and 32 so it just shows you that sometimes less is more and um but no but but Grand with Grant was special and I think if he um obviously he's still a Hall of Famer but I think if if he doesn't get hurt and um you know he would I mean he would absolutely been been the first battle Hall of Famer man he had that type of talent and just that type of persona on the floor so my dad always like to tell this story when he was playing with the Bucks I want to say second year he averaged like 28 a game Don Nelson came to him after the season like look I need you to facilitate more you know get the ball around so he went down to like 22. so talking about that year I think 2001 your average damn near 30 points per game we round up always so 30 points per game right led the league in total points scored then Rick Carlisle comes in that next year says stack yo I want you to you know lower that average facilitate how long did I mean were you were you skeptical at first or how long did it take you to embrace that after just saying damn I could put up 30 why not take that [ __ ] to 33-35 again to now our 21-22 yeah and I just think again it's all about how you presented and I think that's how you know Rick presented it to me I mean again he um came in we're going to be better if you're better in the pick and rolls teams that we can we can bait teams by you being in pick and roll more as opposed to isolations you know they're afraid of your your ability to to you know come downhill against bigs so you know we they're going to trap you now we got to get you to you know to the position of where you're making good reads out of that pick and roll and now we're playing you know four on three on the other side you're taking two guys with you and we're playing you know four on three so those those are the sacrifices that you have to make for us to be become a better team and then I made those sacrifices and it was kind of it was kind of weird though it's like I made those sacrifices and um uh I didn't make the All-Star team that year right I was still the I was the leading scorer led us in scoring I let it let it insist Ben Wallace gets Defensive Player of the Year Corliss Williams gets Sixth Man of the Year I think Rick get Coach of the Year wow and I didn't even make the All-Star team so but but we won you know 50 games so it's just like it was it was a little Bittersweet there because I felt like I've you know I'm seeing my peers you know get those I felt like it's probably a few couple more years that I should have been you know it all started that it just didn't happen because of whatever reason it's just uh you know I kind of got caught in with those you know Reggie doing those years of Reggie and and Michael in the East they were pretty much penciled in and it was like the you know a few couple other years that it was maybe either me or Alan Houston or Ray Allen or whatnot so you just have to even though you you had the numbers to support it you just maybe didn't get denied I mean when the year in Washington Michael's last year you know led the team is going and assist and didn't make the All-Star team I kind of understood that one a little bit though because I mean it's the greatest in the game but I felt like I should have been there so it's just those those things that just when when you when when a coach comes and uh tells you that you need to you know sacrifice I get offended the reason I get offended is you don't think I'm smart enough to know I got better players on my team you don't think I know that I okay we just we got him in he has to score he has to score for us to win like you think you got to tell me you're 10 less points I know who we just got I know who we just added let me and that was the case too man exactly okay so we got we got that year uh we brought in Cliff Robinson and brought in John Berry in uh you know Corliss that year so yeah it's like again it was naturally I got better guys around me to to distribute too and that I felt more comfortable than than um you know because I mean as great as being Wallace was on the defensive end he wasn't an offensive threat so you know a lot of times we were out there damn near five on four you know with him I mean he became better of of learning how to make himself effective you know over time but it wasn't that case that the first few years I mean he was rebounding and blocked shots but you know it was you know the offensive part of it wasn't what wasn't his strong suit so I [Music] so let's talk about the trade from the Pistons to the Wizards obviously you go in there you're playing with MJ his final Year y'all got the UNC connection people were calling you the next Michael Jordan when you were coming out of college I think you said that you had a profile respect for his game he was almost right leaving at that point coming in but that you regretted that experience and until your point you just met you led the team at scoring but everything was going to be you know similar to Kobe and his kind of final years everything was going to be centralized around Mike and that team and you were going to be overlooked and overshadowed so how hard was it for you playing with MJ on that wizard Squad well I don't know if it's just how on the court what it was it was just always going to be something pitted against us and we had been competitors for so long that people just I mean the media you know they were you know just trying to pit us against each other for for whatever reason and then that's the and that's just a a battle that I can't win but nobody can win you know with Michael Jordan he's the greatest you know player in my mind to ever play the game but I just didn't feel that that was um you know where did I I should beat it I thought I thought he was bringing me there to you know to to lead but he was bringing me there to kind of to be a sidekick for you know you know for for him and then I like I'm we just kicked y'all ass last year when I was in Detroit you know you know just kicked y'all ass so why would I want to leave Detroit to come here and and play second fiddle and I think that was just um like it wasn't nothing personal again my God like we we went to dinner we had a great time you know away from basketball but where I was in the prime of my career you know again coming to a team is talking about trying to make the playoffs and him probably only playing another year or so just didn't um just wasn't what I you know it was cracked up to be you know it was initially I thought about you know him him and playing with Michael Jordan for for a year um you know we came off we got off to a pretty good start um and you know Michael didn't like the way the the ball was been distributed so and you know in Doug Collins who you know who I felt like was trying to make some amends for some things that didn't go well with him and NJ would hired in in Chicago whatever Michael wanted that's what he did and I just got got caught up you know in the middle of that and uh well you know no no never necessarily nobody's fault but it just wasn't um you know he was ready to win now he wanted to win now I mean it probably rip should have never left there right rip was had played well he was a young guy in Washington that you know they could have built around but MJ was like no I need the older guy to to come in here and help me get this done now I wasn't as close and I just kind of got called in in in in that mix and it is what it is It ultimately um I got parlayed that into to get into Dallas and and and getting making the finals and doing all those type of things for the only only time that I made the finals in my career which I still you know whole as one of the best seasons of of my 18 year career so I'm thankful for that but um you know the the path and the trajectory that that I got there I wouldn't have told was that but God always got the plan so I feel like whatever happened and all that things happen for a reason to why why I'm probably still sitting here right now well they even made you know I wasn't there what it just doesn't logistically make sense to make a 38 39 year old [ __ ] at that time a number one option like I'm bringing you in to lead it and then you know you get all the double teams and all that stuff and MJ you can hit your little pop shots and that would make sense to me not the mentality of the greatest man and I could understand that right I mean the greatest he's still in his mind he's still the greatest right and you know just in my mind that wasn't the case I felt like I was ready to to take that next step and and lead and and and he'd be more of a supporter um from it but um as a coach that would make sense all right okay you know you know we're gonna bring him in You're Gonna Leave we're gonna throw the pack you're gonna get you but I guess you know when you have uh who you are it's a funny story like it was just like man we were going over the Scout report and like you know MJ always felt that the the best player on the on the other team was going to match up with him right I mean so he just automatically assumed you know so he's playing the Spurs you know that you know that Bruce Braun was going he was the defensive stopper that he was going to guard him and then when we got to the jump ball Circle Bruce Barnes standing right there beside me you know what I'm saying so I just think those were just and there's nobody's fault I think if I've had accomplished and done everything that Michael Jordan has had done I would feel the same way that Bruce Bourne would be the guy to to be matched up with me but obviously great Papa fish didn't feel that way so do you think do you think that was even mind games at all with pop knowing that MJ probably expects Bruce bond to guard him so we just go it could be I mean it could be I just know what the reality of it was when we regardless y'all Larry Hughes guard a Jew and so you go get him Jays though you didn't put Larry on Jordan man he seems like a guy who really don't get the love that he deserves when you talk about kind of greatest players of all time so for you what was it like coming into that mask while playing with Dirk and how would you say he's helped change the game of basketball he's wearing those first guys that I that I played with that man you know like yeah you kick it to somebody you know that's a good shot he probably gonna make that you might get an assist if you really want to get an assist you get that thing the 41. you know what I'm saying he was going to do something just the way that he could stretch the floor from three um that the pain was always open you know we only you know we had one Center Eric damp here who was good at you know catching the Finish around the basket so if his man showed up but we didn't have to worry about the paint being clogged because of how he stretched the floor I mean how he um you know played in the post and and did all you know and you know he just did that one legged fade away and all that became famous as shot that was my bump that was my bump in the post you know what I'm saying where I got that separation and I came back I didn't kicked my leg up when I got the separation same thing Dirk was coming stack the second going you're going left shoulder you're like something so it's just those little subtle things that you pick up and you learn from people and and he took it and he made it made it the dirt shot everybody call it a dirk fade away man I've been doing that [ __ ] so basically you're saying I'm dead serious I know where I got my [ __ ] yeah man I went from 18 with the same 18. to 25 all because of those that little turn then with the 29 see how many of that one leg step base every way fade away that you see before we played together in 2003. and go back and watch all this stuff and see how many of them you see but now you got a logo for it yeah and not to always appreciate the kids and you know some of the young guys man study the game watch every everyone has a gift everyone has something that they do very well that got them here learn it add that [ __ ] to your game you don't know what it is it could be the first step how you hold the ball like you know what I mean how he does little things in the post learn it add it to your game it everybody ain't bombs right everyone has something that they do very well find it out when you get it ask questions study it and I got it from Brandon what I got it from the bunk really to step off in the bunk I got it from Rick Carlisle he got when he got it from Larry Bird so that's where all of this the the okay and you got them and that and that and that's where where that came from then Joe Dumars when I played with him well I would get him on there and he would just boom he hit you with this little subtle one but he turned it right into his shot so as he was hitting you and knocking you back all the officials see is you know you turn it into the shot right and then Larry Bird he stepped you off boom and he the little little dribble back boom bump into those River back that's what Rick taught me and all of that kind of parlayed into fade away now now you got the real story okay so basically Larry Bird but then you you take it to another level Dirk take it back yeah and it's all like I said that you know Rick played with Larry on those Celtics teams and whatnot and that's he showed me that move when he first came to um to Detroit that step-off move that he's talked about getting between his leg when I'm on the Block turning around face him get it all that all moves that Larry did that that I you know worked on every day kind of perfected gave a little bit of it to Dwyane Wade gave a little bit of it to Dirk the whiskey in this guy here with the step officer you got for me I still teach it right now today you got it from Larry gave her some flavor then it got regentrified by Dirty so let's talk a little bit just about about your coaching and obviously nil is all the story now but also the transfer portal so how of nil in the transfer portal changed the college basketball landscape yeah I mean I think it's anybody to tell you that they have uh the blueprint of what nil should look like walk away from them because they don't know I mean it's it's still so much up in the air about how this thing is really going go settle out they're trying to get Congress involved which I I think is not the way to go I think it should be something you know similar to the way the NBA operates with its players where it should be collectively bargained to where the players got us at some point have some type of representation um you know if they never have any representation to speak on their behalf and things are always going to be you know lopsided and I think that's what you know Cory Booker and these guys and um you know in Congress is saying that these is his kids deserve money I mean it's come down and that's why you're seeing these these nil deals the transfer portal um I'm not a uh I don't hate the transfer portal I like the fact if you know sometimes it just doesn't work out like you have a kid to come in and maybe you know come find out and I've had that happen where you're just not this level and you need to make it and I need to go and replace him right away I don't need to you know have to replace him and the guy have to sit out of here so I like the one-time transfer um I like that these guys have been able to to make you know money off of their name you know image and likeness I mean hell I wish I could go back retroactive and get some of the money that was made off of mine but um you know we got at the same time we just got to find a way right now it's kind of like the Wild Wild West and you know unfortunately um that I you know I got the support from um you know donors and everything that is not going to allow us to develop talent and allow other you know other teams to come up and and steal our talent so we got to step up to to the table and and and and and try to figure out what you know kind of market value be fair to these guys but at the same time there's a lot of you know kind of Rogue agents that's in these guys years that that's giving them a lot of misinformation trying to get them to jump into the portal to test the water you know telling them that this is just they're behind the scenes calling different coaches and um different staff members and Tim if this guy gets in the portal what what would you do and it's just a it's a [ __ ] show right now but I think ultimately it it'll get you know settled down but um it's better skin it's about the right people you get the right people that come in about the right thing and start with those families I mean I signed guys this year um and other teams even though they've committed to us have still come in and try to try to steal them but I got good kids and good parents that they they deciding and and I don't know you know I'm saying somebody would have told me that I've you know there's a lot of these families never seen three or four hundred thousand dollars at one time they come again yeah three or four hundred thousand dollars at one time that's that's some of the the going numbers for uh guys that's averaging 13 14 points I ain't even talking about 20. 13 14 points can Garner you you know three four hundred maybe even five hundred thousand dollars we need to go back here good so hey man they're gonna have to they would have to fire me for coming in like yeah I need 300 000. I'm like that's cool I need I need 25 points a game game Run team yeah right exactly and that's what I know you don't guarantee me 25 I because my money guaranteed right here if you don't guarantee me 25 how much can I take off right right because that's how we're gonna do that how much you're gonna take off they would have just and then like I said it's like and a lot of them are getting promised this money and not even getting them because there's no contract to to Really to have them locked in I mean the guys are just lying telling you coming here for a certain certain amount and they never see it man I already told my son you ain't getting no and I am you got to earn your [ __ ] right you gotta earning you ain't college is one thing the pros where you get paid so you're not going to sit here in high school thinking about money and then you think that's professional nah but a lot of these guys like that's never gonna you know make it at this the highest level this is pretty good it's a pro yeah I thought they said that's not something where they put the game together just the money the NCAA generates for just college football uh basketball and uh women's basketball could pay all of those guys almost four hundred thousand dollars a piece pretty easy pretty easy and that's not even like the moment and that still maybe a 60 40 split with 60 going to school that says 40 that could do that but they want to use the all of us saying that that 40 percent is need to take care of all of the other sports all of the you know the non-revenue sports and but but it's like man you got to say in these Sports most of these guys look like you or not you know they look like us yeah so so they're responsible for taking care of all of these other non-revenue sports a lot of them are country club sports too just be real like they gotta they got to come out there about using some of that endowment to do that exactly but they don't want me talking about that [ __ ] the last question I got for you so you mentioned before you got other coaches other programs trying to come in and post some of your guys get something yeah I'm gonna be real if I'm a college coach and you tell me you're going to play for you at Vanderbilt I'm just going to take that out like go ahead I'm not I'm not gonna [ __ ] with stack because I don't want him to pull up on me I don't wanna have to see him at you know final four any of these spots and for it to be an issue but do you have to now see these guys on the recruiting Trail and at these different uh AAU events and whatnot after they're trying to going on I'll check down on a couple of them for sure man it's just like they they start these crazy narratives that I mean like every Every Spring um I'm going to the NBA I mean it's just some it's a random story out of a college basketball site that's saying that Jerry Stackhouse is going numb and they link me to Detroit pistol limited every every open job and I have to you know in recruiting you know parents want to know am I going to be here so I have to you know squelch all of that and as when I should be talking about you know the academics at Vanderbilt how we can help you improve I have to sit here and and scrunch rumors about you know me leaving and going into the NBA because you know and it ain't just the the white guy is doing it it's the guys that look just like us is creating this narratives too so it's it's a dirty dirty dirty ass game but at the same time um I love it I love I love the fact that I'm teaching you know these young guys helping them get better I'm at a world-class you know uh University that I mean Barnes I mean second to none I mean almost at an Ivy League status so it almost you know I get we alleviate some of the Riff Raff you know what I'm saying you know so but and we get get good kids um that are going you know if they don't play basketball they're gonna go do some special things um anyway so I feel very fortunate to be there what rules would you change like with the Nils would you take out agents um that dirty is you know the the dirty part of the game where someone can see your player and say hey hey you know we got something for you come over here next year and like what would you take out of it right now before any like real rules to keep it yeah I just think I just think they need to be certified I mean they need to have you know something because you get all these guys that's coming in and all anything they're trying to do is use these kids to to get something for themselves I mean I've had I've seen it where the agent you know can't even get a guy in the in the G League uh combine they ain't even talking about the regular combine you can't even get him in the g-league combine um a guy called me uh about the do you want the kid to go to this G League combine uh yeah it's cool all right yeah but yo so-called Asia couldn't even get you in there why are you with this agent yeah I'm like I'm not paying I'm not negotiating with no no agent whatever I do for you whatever we decide to do as far as hell is because this is what we want to do not because we're getting pressure from from any agent or that you feel like you threatened to threaten Us by by going somewhere else man like I said he's um just it's not that it's not at that level but but again you know it's uh it's it's a crazy game we're figuring it out nobody really has all the answers but at the same time we're trying to navigate it the best we can stagly we appreciate you pulling up taking us down man I appreciate being here thank you so much thank you so much this has been another episode of no chill with Gilbert Arenas we'll be back for more very soon [Music] thank you

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Published: Thu Aug 03 2023